Thinking with a Gun in Your Hand: Interview with John Hearne
2024 ж. 24 Мам.
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In this conversation with John Hearne, we talk about what it takes to win a gunfight. Why do some people excel under extreme stress while others fail to perform? How can we train and practice to be better mentally prepared to face violence? If you only watch one Lucky Gunner video this year, make it this one!
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Chris continues to be one of my favorite KZheadrs. 95% useful content, 5% comedy, zero BS.
Chris is OK, but if you want the real info off this channel, you have to wait for Manny’s videos.
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I just took John's "Defeating Violent Criminals: A Conceptual and Tactical Analysis" class this past weekend. The man knows how to think and dig into things from multiple angles. Very refreshing content.
I often thinks that a ccw reaction situation is similar to an aviation emergency. I had one real emergency as a helicopter pilot (an engine underspeed at very low altitude) and my initial thoughts were disbelief. I couldn’t believe it was really happening since this wasn’t the simulator. Luckily, I quickly realized it was real and I had to autorotate to an open field rather than fly into power lines or a line of trees since I was unable to maintain altitude at that reduced power. I often think that’s how it will go in an armed self defense situation. Disbelief, followed by acceptance and trained responses.
@Existential Satire I hear you bro my wife beautiful as well will not go for her ccw we went to range she took 2 shoots and handed me back the firearm trembling. Her falsify is I can shoot and protect both of us and when I say what if I get taken out then what! She says then I'll pick up your gun and shoot back....im like we'll y not help me and maybe we both walk away. She says o you won't get hit please don't make me shot. So I don't really have a choice I have to protect both of us...not that I have any problem with that but it would be nice knowing you have someone else shoting back with you having your back.
@Existential Satire wow thanks for all the info bro I'm certainly not giving up. I bought an ar15 so we're gona try the outdoor range this weekend. Now if I can just get her to leave her 6 inch high heels at home and wear a pair of jeans instead of a skirt I might stand a chance. I gave her full size gun at first beratta M9 9mm 124 grain and the only one who was enjoying themselves were the range guys checking her out. Hope it works out this weekend and yes I have alot of patience with her she told me she stopped because she broke a nail off and the headset made her hair flat. The curse of having a beautiful wife I guess....🤞
@Existential Satire When you're in danger, traffic laws are just suggestions. If you drive a truck, you have the advantage of ground clearance, weight, and often power. Do some research on counter-ambush driving and how to push cars out of the way without damaging yours. Also, never forget that your car is a highly effective weapon. If you're threatened, run them over or put them over the hood and floor it out of there. Unfortunately newer cars will prevent you from hitting anything but that tech seems to be slow to end up on trucks.
@Existential Satire yes I hear you but I'm not into reloading I would rather just buy it. I buy like 10 boxs of 50 every 2 weeks and I just stockpile it. I got her a pair of electronic walker ear mufs with walkie so I can communicate with her...gona try the outdoor range this weekend and see how that goes. I bought her a pink kimber micro 9 I'll give it too her a the range for a surprise Hopefully I'm not gona have to add a $950 pink pistol to my collection. I have a few kimbers and I been pretty lucky with them after I have them upgraded a bit...keeping fingers crossed.
You can learn and teach your wife/husband with Air Soft Guns, some models have blowback operation to simulate recoil. Make it a competition, winner gets to decide the movie or the restaurant or if you gonna have one more baby :)
My background 20 years in the Navy, 3.5 years between my 1st and second Navy enlightenments in the Army Reserve. Before I enlisted I was a sparring partner for guys into karate where I was a “dumb hood” attacking them. April 1972 I was on guard duty and a guy tiptoed in behind me and said, “Stick ‘em up!” as I wrote in my logbook. I remember thinking, “I’ve got to make this kick land even if I take a bullet first.” Out of the corner of my eye I saw his hand was empty and pulled the kick. July 8, 1972 I was on guard duty and a guy walked across the “deadline “ and as I started to draw I realized that I didn’t dare shoot because of what was behind him if “I miss or over penetrate.” I was going to pistol whip him. Another man screamed and the “intruder “ stopped. I looked down to re-holster and about one inch of the 1911 was still in the holster. 1980 I was guarding a “prisoner” that was spread eagled and he slid his hand under him. I snatched the muzzle off him and fired three shots (we were using blanks.). He had a grenade simulator in his hand. July 1985 I was Shore Patrol and a guy kicked our Lieutenant in the face and ran. My partner tackled him and face planted him on a concrete sidewalk. I came in with a baton to break his shin and I realized “he wasn’t twitching and I didn’t have justification to touch him with the stick. I couldn’t stop the swing, I couldn’t pull it back.” I extended the swing and hit the sidewalk about an eighth of an inch before I would have hit him. I submit that in all of these situations that I had accepted that bad things could happen and that made it so I could process data.
The good Mr. Baker puts up some of the most informative videos. Thank you.
I appreciate the knowledge, and I'm no expert, but most people don't have the time or money to travel around and attend multiple seminars and training classes on all the different aspects of self defense. Even many of those who have the time and money, aren't going to go that extreme training that much for an event that may or may not ever happen. Most of us get to shoot at the local range, but have to learn new ideas from watching videos and reading articles. The rest of our training is based upon us practicing the draw, practicing dry fire trigger control, and working on situational awareness on our own when we venture out in public places. I also think law enforcement mentality regarding shooting is different than civilian mentality. I try to keep in mind that I'm not a LEO, and my reason for carry is strictly for last resort self defense, not to be used as an extension of my potential anger towards anyone who might be causing me or someone near me problems that are not life threatening. If you're easily provoked by loud, obnoxious, or stupid people, you should probably think twice about carrying.
Well said.
Really well put. Nicely written.
“Not to be used as an extension of my potential anger towards anyone who might be causing me or someone near me non life threatening problems.” I’m trying to understand the frame of mind you are seeing this through. I’m guessing this is based on a negative bias against law enforcement, if so your opinion which you are entitled to, but nevertheless a statement which was not based on anything I heard discussed in the video. Just a little puzzling to me.
@@willsatterwhite4378 No, I am in a law enforcement family and witness the affects of anti police sentiment firsthand. The part of my comment that you quoted refers to my opinion on civilian mindset for concealed carry, not law enforcement. It's obvious LEOs have a completely different angle on carrying a weapon and how to react to potential problems. Being someone who carries, while being in a law enforcement family, makes me extra conscious of my limits as a civilian.
@@B_R_ I see and that makes sense. Your concern is the temptation for people to feel almost emboldened by the fact they are armed then I assume.
In "Defensive Revolver Fundamentals", Grant Cunningham has some drills that have you shoot targets based on color, shape, or even solving a math problem. They are better if you have a partner, but a deck of cards can also be used to randomize things a bit.
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Learning to incorporate threat level assessment into everyday life is what he was talking about. Teaching yourself to naturally and instinctively keep your head on a swivel, evaluating your situation (awareness) well before the trouble arises. Having to rely on a 1-2 second draw time only means that you already missed the 5-10+ seconds of approaching danger. Obviously, no one is perfect, but it all begins with awareness. Excellent video!!
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Truly outstanding interview with John Hearne!! I’ve met him over the years through classes with Tom Givens, and learned to respect his knowledge and ability. I’d like to take one of his classes down the road. George
Every now and then you hear from a professional "that you just trust/respect" John is that guy👍
That Kyle Dinkheller video was one of the toughest to watch. It stayed in my mind for weeks. Even right now it plays in my head just bringing it back up
Thanks for sharing, John. Your words on functioning under stress reminded me of my time in Vietnam.
Another super knowledgeable video Chris, thank you for taking the time to share useful information that most guntube channels don't.
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Interesting pet peeve about “voile”…mine is when people say “I could care less” when they really mean “I couldn’t care less,” which has the exact opposite meaning. Now, I feel better.
Mr. Hearn gives solid and sound advice in this interview. The five personality traits I see as extremely important in an individual's reaction in a self defense situation. Thank you for printing the questions as asked. Great video.
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Jeff Cooper was one of the first to speak of "combat mindset" and situational awareness, which a lot of people confuse ... John Hearne seems takes those principals to a more meaningful conclusion which we all can understand ... others are much more succint in explaining "you have to know how to run the gun" ... today's dynamic of social interaction requires we who carry guns for self defense and lawfully, ... to address our "fight or flight" insticts .. with whatever situation we confront .. certainly training and skill-set are very important, but not more important than "mind-set" and the decision to act in defense of self or others.. as he said, every range or training session offers an opportunity to build upon life experience .. we have to tame emotion of shock, anger, and fear that prevent us from accomplishing the important task at hand .. that moment of realization yields a presence of mind and clarity of thought to allow us to perform other tasks well.
Find a training facility with a shoot house and uses simunition. Believe me it will put a new perspective on things. It'll get you closer to where you need to be in your mind. It forces you to think fast and show you your deficits & strengths. Going one v one is stressful. You're on your own, no backup, against a clock and you can only go forward in a maze you've not walked before. Awesome experience.
I am really enjoying these interview videos you have put out. They are inspiring to get out and train more. Thanks for making these highlights available to the community.
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Good video. There is one issue I have never seen addressed in any defensive training, the freeze when under attack due to childhood abuse by primary care tackers, freezing becoming the default survival strategy and how to overcome it.
dang. really insightful comment that i haven't really seen addresses before.
@@dogwalk3 In training, I can almost always decode glitches by how someone performs. There are 5 types of freezes very few instructors know about them what they are what causes them and how to help people overcome them so that they will be able to perform when under attack.
A wiser person than me was Succinct with this. To address any problem we have to arrive at the question “What are you going to do now?” What has come that culminated problem can invoke an emotional response clouding judgement. Mentally arrive at the question “What are you going to do now?” And the response should be “handle the problem” (Preferably using a pre taught skill set otherwise you’re improvising)
As always, great Lucky Gunner content, thoughtfully presented. Every time I train with John, I feel as if I've become smarter. I probably haven't, though - but I've become more capable and able to make better (and more informed) decisions.
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Really appreciate this video and John’s insights, look forward to the drills he advocates for growth in this area.
Gregg Gibson, did you txt this # from the commenter with the lucky gunner symbol? I got the same thing but idk if it's a scam...
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Excellent video. Thank you.
Excellent video, more like this one, please.
Chris, it would be great if you put a video together about all you training classes and the benefits. Also maybe a blog post about where you find your training. I’m also impressed with the training you take. Would love to tap into that vein of the industry.
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Working and succeeding in any sort of high stress field is a massive way to temper one's emotions and teach yourself an appreciation for automaticity. I worked catering for three years, it was a frantic cluster of hat juggling and dealing with some wonderfully disrespectful folks with both clients and managers. If you can't process a situation quickly and without letting your emotions get in the way, you're not getting very far. Plus, it helps you stay in shape from walking five to ten miles a day. A local self defense instructor also turned me onto an idea that really seems obvious but really hits ya when someone says it out loud: emotional restraint isn't just about words directed at you. Insults and comments about you might be like water off a duck's rear, but what is your response if someone says something about a friend, your spouse, your child? Are words worth a gunfight to you?
Thx for sharing 🙏🏼
Excellent and Outstanding!!!
Thanks Lucky Gunner. John Hearne seems like a very intelligent guy who likes to find positive experiences in others' perspectives, and help them build from there. That's a great perspective for anyone who aspires to be a great teacher. His observations about certain sports and their transfer to competitive or defensive firearm skills building were right on the money! Situational awareness and rapid problem solving are portable skills for sure.
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Excellent interview - thanks!
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This sounds like a phenomenal course. I wish it was available near me. He really thinks things through.
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You don't post as much as others in your field, but your topics are a lot more in-depth and insightful. I guess less is more! Keep up the good work.
Excellent Q&A session, much appreciated!
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As a Vietnam combat veteran, I have a different perspective on shooting people. You can train everyday for ten years, be the most proficient target or combat course shooter around, but when the first shot is about to be fired, or is fired at you, every ounce of that training will go out the window. Have you ever heard on the news that “93 shots were fired by law enforcement, the criminal was hit 2 times, neither shot was fatal”, and these officers want to hit what they are aiming at. When the initial load of adrenaline hits your system, you might be lucky enough to hold onto your gun of choice, much less aim and fire it accurately. Our squad had a saying, “shoot first and often, you might win”. Lucky gunner is my supplier of choice.
Thanks for sharing that personal experience. Welcome home.
Thanks for your service, Sir.
The recent defense shooting by a young man at a mall against a rifle armed criminal is, I believe proof of your observation. He was able to engage at distance because he did not physically engage the target. He had a minimal adrenaline dump.
I’m a Nam vet too but as a Navy Corpsman (medic) I didn’t do much actual shooting b/c I was busy treating wounded Marines. In addition my LE experience includes three on duty shootings, only one of which I had the time to actually aim my revolver. The other two were in the dark, no night sights then, and rounds were coming at me so fast all I had time to do was shoot back & I did put my man down.
@@oldcop18 Thank you for sharing that Old Cop. Stay safe, brother.
The subject nobody else wants to talk about. Thanks man. 👍
Definitely gets you thinking about the mental portion rather then the shooting portion
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@@donmoon7064 i figured that, cant seem to stop them , thank you
This was a very useful conversation.
These interviews are really interesting. I would like to especially seen an interview with Chuck Haggard on OC usage and related info! Also, these life pro tips are hilarious. Please continue lol
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Excellent!
Excellent content - thanks for sharing. I know of a defensive pistol course in which they Called-out Geometric Shapes, Numbers, Colors, Columns, and Rows. And in some cases you needed to reload in the process. Looking forward to seeing which drills will be shared.
Over the years I have done multiple full days of scenario based training. If others have the opportunity I strongly encourage them to take such courses. More than that, if the instructors allow it make sure to watch how others handle the scenarios. It’s fascinating to me how varied the responses end up being, and how different people perceive and communicate threats. I’ve learned a lot in watching the reactions of others.
That was awesome.
Great video! Good information.
If including a totally unrelated to guns little life tip or piece of advice at the end of your videos is going to become a regular thing, I wholeheartedly approve!
Thank you for the mention of it being voila. I don't remember how old I was when I learned it, but since then it's bugged me.
Outstanding video Chris, thank you. Far too many people focus on the hard wear issue and not enough on the “soft wear” issue
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And voilà! Another great video. :)
Excellent video. Thanks! I was pleased when motorcycle racing was included with rock climbing and skydiving. I’m trying to apply that mentality to my self defense practice. I’m blessed to have a spouse that also enjoys the hobby and takes acquiring skills similarly. All the Best
I've noticed an influx of instructors in recent years that essentially bought their certificate from an instructor mill (USCCA comes to mind) where the class and qualification phase are done and done within 8 hours or less. They qualification course is designed to minimize student failure while maximizing revenue. The students aren't competent by a long shot (pun intended). Then they go out and teach others to also be incompetent.
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I never thought about or seen any ,all the instructors i`v seen were either currant or retired LEO.
Great video. Always love watching. I also love the bullet tests you all do. My favorite was the video about why he tests work and why caliber selection is dumb. I do have a huge question I would love answered. I’m trying to figure out how bullet weight in the same caliber and bullet correlates to penetration. For example, hornady xtp .357 bullets come in 110, 125, 140, 158 and 180 grain. I’m curious how they all perform comparatively. Recoil, penetration and overall performance and applications each would be good for
Yes I thought your description of voilà was tray-muddy-feet!
I believe the more training one has the more confidence you will have. Confidence delays panic, panic leads to poor decisions making, poor decisions making can lead to death. Panic can make dangerous situations life threatening
Good interview
Good stuff!
Great video
When I first started competition shooting my heart rate would go way up when I stepped up to the line. Now I feel completely calm . I had done higher risk sports prior to practical pistol shooting so had some familiarity with stress adaptation already. If someone hasn’t trained under stress regularly , there is no way to predict how they’ll react if placed in a dynamic high speed high pressure situation.
I am a simple man, I see a luckygunner video, I watch it, like, and comment.
Not combat , but a high stress situation. When either one of our dogs run out of the gate (due to a mistake or family member) I chase them to avoid them causing any trouble with stupid people or getting hit by cars, and most often being impromptu I chase after them without glasses or even slippers sometimes. The hardest part is how to use my hands to grab a collar when I have no glasses, when I call them they zoom to me and I need to snag that collar. My dogs are naughty , they will react differently depending on how the person interacts at them. If (for example) keep on shouting and calling them they run farther away. But if I chase them and calmly call for them they run towards me and I'll have my chance to snag the dog by its collar. Everything slows up, I then know when I'll F it up or have it done right, a lot of quick thinking and planning happens as I run and chase after them, I got no time to panic, get mad or freak out.
From military perspective you do not point your gun until it is want to engage and eliminate . Because people have the repulse to shoot first at the sign of being stressed which means accidental discharge and death or injury.
Really interesting. Next time I'm in the Nashville area I'd like to see what I can learn from Mr Hearne.
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Very good content.
That was a quality video. Liked the ending fun fact
I have what I feel is a natural stye of shooting. I'm a both eyes open shooter and my dominant eye, more often than not, does lock onto the front sight while the other eye gets the full picture. I'm no Paul Harrell though. And I love my J-Frame! So I guess at least I don't have to worry about tap and wrack! LOL. I do need to work on fast reloading. And I would like my groups to be tighter. I recently got Claude Werner's book of essays in PDF format because of you and Lionquest Fitness. Good stuff in there.
Dear Chris, please review the Taurus 856 Executive. I love your videos, thanks!
I would say that Dinkheller pulled the short straw, I remember watching the analysis of the individual who shot Dinkheller and they covered the actual shooting in the analysis. He was faced with a veteran who was mentally unstable, but who still had the knowledge of how to fight with a gun.
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Higher level thinking right there.
It's like psychology class just with guns
This is why simulators are so useful. It’s very hard to do this kind of stuff on a live-fire square range.
Great stuff! I just messaged Baker Targets about making side-face and rear-face bad guy targets.
voila ? Ok.. good to know .. great video ..
Ha, thanks for the random correction about "voila". That's bugged me ever since I took French in high school. Now, if we can get people to stop saying "under duress" when they mean "under stress".
Lots of wisdom here, tons of logic too, very awesome info. I'll probably rewatch this as there was a lot packed into this interview.
The only thought I recall having in my three gunfights is how fast can I put rounds into the bad guy to end this. In the immediate aftermath I remember thinking; Did that really just happen? As to handling; carrying & shooting a revolver came second nature to me & still does.
Greetings from Voila Voila, WA
On the subject of violence psychology, I highly recommend the book "On Combat: The Psychology and Physiology of Violence" by West Point psychology professor Lt. Col Grossman, it changed my life.
I actually miss the references to '80s pop rock, but voila was pretty interesting! Oh, and John's class looks factenating!
Lol, where did the viola thing come from? Anyway, am new to pistols and need training. Haven't found much of anything nearby, but I don't live in or near a big city. I suspect training programs tend to be in big cities, where there are enough students to fill each class.
As someone who has recently found out that I have ADHD at about 40 and have done a fair amount of research I think there is more going on. ADHD involves less dopamine production and because of it we are somewhat less likely to freeze under pressure. It doesn't mean that you won't though. Many of the personality characteristics of liking higher risk sports can have something to do with what level of stimulus you find appealing. If someone is really worried about how they will handle pressure it might be a point of research and it might be possible to extend the threshold one can handle before their brain begins to slow and lock up.
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combat breathing is a technique id imagine he is referring to talking about fighter pilots and applying it to gunfight or other stressful sitiation. Athletes have began to be trained to do this to achieve higher performance in things like track. Speed city podcast tells how bud winter a coach at san jose state took a small school to world champion/olympic gold athletes. he coaches the athletes who raised the fist at olympics, but they are all borrowing from the techniques going back to same fighter pilot training to breathe under stress and stay relaxed enough to perform at high level
Can you cover the sig p365 in 380 please? Seems like an important update to your pocket pistol series.
With the x grip, it may be the perfect carry gun.
Preface that I have no combat experience but I feel that if you mentally prepare by assuming that one day you will be confronted with a need to use your weapon, then there shouldn’t be that “I can’t believe this is happening” pause.
This is a good interview. It has valuable information to learn from. How do we win? How do we survive? It sure isn’t listening or relying on any fvcked up government agency. 😀
Great video. Very informative. Realistic about : ok you are good at making holes in paper, different story to shoot at someone who shoots back, moves but also if the shooting is justified.
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Awesome videos thank you
Take any class that John Hearne teaches!
Why do I get the feeling Chris just won an argument with his wife or a coworker with that important life tip?
LOL!!!
Never expected Walla Walla to be mentioned in one of these videos
Right
Based on my limited experience, the difference between training on a flat range and training in a live-fire shoot house is significant.
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What a transition/segway at the end! (Taking care of business)Never saw it coming.. 😆
Are you based around Nashville? Or came here for the class at Royal Range. Just curious
Unfortunately the people of 2022 are just too lazy to pronounce the v in voila but I share your sentiment and I guess maybe there's a few who just didn't know it so that being said maybe you will help in that sense damn good video sir thank you very much
Lol my preview ended on ...John..." and I thought Correia? Nope haha but that's fine.
The Ghost of Col. Cooper (Principles of Self Defense) stirs and walks again .
Engineer brain. You can't tell by his presentation, how his brain works.
Constitutional carry for Florida now!
For America 🇺🇸 per the 2nd Amendment.
The people want it. Governor DeSantis wants it. Half the country has it and the streets aren't running with blood from shootouts over parking spaces and stop signs. The RINOs in the Legislature are too spineless to even consider advancing it forward. I'm not in FL but I wish you luck in voting them out and replacing them with politicians who respect the Constitution.
Here’s the real deal though: most people buy a gun, take it to a range one and that’s it.
Would paintball count as one of those activities?
Walla Walla Washington 👍🏿😁