Jordan Peterson on Cancel Culture, Comedy, and His Battle With Depression | The Russell Howard Hour
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From The Russell Howard Hour, Russell sits down with clinical psychologist and prominent figure in politics and culture, Dr Jordan Peterson, as they speak about political division, finding your purpose, and Peterson's battle with depression.
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It's a strange world we live in where comedians and celebrities like Russel Howard and Russel Brand often do better interviews than journalists and newscasters.
Very true wtf
I think because to be a comic you have to be very sensitive to societal ground movements whilst although a journalist may be, they are there either with a personal or corporate agenda or with a brief to challenge the interviewee in the interests of impartiality. They aren't there to just listen. Russel just listens without judgement and the result is an honest interview.
It does have something to do with them being comedians and unafraid to say what they think, people with an open mind are usually more socialy intelligent and understand what the little things mean and can challenge them
I think it's the charisma that comedians/celebrities tend to have
Right? I've seen John Oliver and Trevor Noah conduct more tactful and insightful interviews than most people on CNN
This is the first time I have ever seen Jordan Paterson portrayed properly as a real life person.
Yea strange how when hes not treated like hitler re-incarnated he seems human..
@@MercedesMan everything I don't like is literally Hitler
here he is portraying himself defending the incredibly racist bell curve, alongside known white nationalist Stefan Molyneux: kzhead.info/sun/nKpxdpusoZ-vko0/bejne.html
@@MercedesMan I still don't understand how he's gotten that image/reputation, but I thought he was very alt-right grin the media as well. Watch/listen to one of his lectures (they're all over KZhead and a podcast) and tell me it's not logical and inspiring.
@@christyguy59 No idea who that guy is, but Peterson disagreed with him when he says there is a difference in men and women's IQ. The rest of the video is just talking about genetic components/limits to IQ, and that unfortunately, unlike exercise increases the bodies physical abilities, none of the "brain training" programs have successfully increased one's IQ.
Props to Russel Howard for having the balls to interview Jordan Peterson fairly, not only that but conduct one of the most profesional interviews I've seen in years, the media could learn a thing or two about open and polite discussion.
On the contrary, it was an opportunity missed, It needed a lot more in depth questions and needed to be much longer. I like both people but this was a let down, non event.
@@bign_musicI think it definitely could’ve been more in depth, however, it was still very professionally mannered
@@thespanishcartel957 His manners were fine
Good journalism isn't about having manners
@@sheep3370 False, you can still get to the facts without being a ill mannered manlette.
12 days sober thanks to this great man. Haven't stopped drinking in 15 years. And I'm not looking back. Doing it for my 7mo old daughter as my jolt, but continuing for ME. I just want to give him a hug or something.
Well done ❤️ hope you are still going strong 💪
Rewatching, saw your comment. Hoping all well with your sobriety.
God bless you
Get well soon Sir. 👍🏻🙏🏻
Lesgo man🤘🏾🤘🏾
"In a king's court, the jester is the only one who can tell the truth" How astute and accurate this is when comedians are giving better interviews than main stream journalism.
The sad thing is, the people he is criticising will see themselves as king, not tyrant.
I believe he's said this before when talking with another comedian, I believe fry
great point
@@Sui_Generis0 Many have said this before as well.
obviously, there's a difference when a women or a men interview him…womens want to "break" him
It's great to see a UK comedian with a more mainstream audience finally sitting down to talk with Jordan. Thanks Russell
Russel has been the goat for years now he barely even does comedy anymore
Two Russell’s! Don’t forget Brand
@@TheNewNationPodcast Brand is fantastic at what he does but I can find his mannerisms ruin the interviews for me sometimes. Although I did really enjoy his first book on recovery.
Russell is a corporate monkey!..
And a proper convo that's not all about trying to catch him out like all the news channels and that try to do.
I'm grateful for Russell asking him questions about "mundane" things of life like playlists etc, and it seems JP was too, as he appreciates these things more than ever.
It's really nice to see Jordan able to talk without being constantly on his guard. Kudos to this interviewer for actually interviewing Jordan and drawing out interesting answers from him. Skilled journalism.
ABSOLUTELY! It’s really annoying when interviewers are combative as if THEY KNOW EVERYTHING.. Jordan is right most of the time but he’s not the most intelligent person on the planet which I discovered watching the religion debate with some dude that had Peterson on the ropes for most of the debate.. and petersons response to some topics were disappointing because I thought he was smarter than that.. But, I agree with you 100%!
@@hellabella8295 He's not even right most of the time, his contributions to his relevant field is in alcohol addiction and a few not worth anything papers on personality. Because he's a doctor you just defer to and trust his every word, Sam Harris, matt dillahunty. Just two names who when they hold Jordan to account for his word salad he gets amazingly upset. Says it all.
@@Paulstrickland01 Sure, Peewee. Hush and go help Mommy with dinner.
@@Lochias333 Poor little joshy, triggered by attacks of facts against daddy Peterson. Your use of the word mommy tells me you spent an age under her skirt begging for a daddy until Jordan came along and you started going slurp slurp feed me Jordan. 😂😙😂😂 cry some more for me. 😘😘🤪🤪🤪
Strangely, this skilled journalism is coming from a Comedian, rather than someone who's job it is to provide a quality interview, which to me is all the more impressive
It’s amazing to see how emotive a person Jordan Peterson is when he doesn’t feel like he’s being challenged (which he regularly is in his interviews), and it’s lovely to see how receptive Russell is to his emotions.
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Jordan Peterson is actually very empathetic - I'm sure he realised immediately how open he could be with Russell, without any risk in being vulnerable. He seems to trust comedians quite sincerely.
Great observation
You've mentioned emotions twice in your posting. What about the intellect and the will? How would you evaluate those in relation to the human person and our emotions? Ne timeas.
Peterson speak to a lot of people and does a lot of interviews, has there been anyone who has spoken to his/her opponents to the same extent?
This is exactly how journalism should be conducted: empathetic, caring, understanding, objective (non-biased), probing but at the same time respecting the guest's boundaries. Good job, Russell. You've earnt my respect
Would be nice if Jordan Peterson extended those same values when he discusses people
Pretty sure he does, lol
@@rubricalchunk1831 he literally said women deserve to be raped for wearing red lipstick in work if you don’t believe me watch his vice interview
@@ryanharris6850 I have seen it. You are misinformed my friend! 😂
@@ryanharris6850 The old one from way back? He did not say that, go watch the vice interview again "if you don't believe me." From what I remember, my interpretation was that he just went defensive when he after a few minutes realized the interviewer was up to no good, and took on the role of a provocateur. (Ironically, he was provoked into provoking!) He was just asking questions and pointing out problems that exist, sometimes hinting towards/suggesting some provoking alternative solutions, but his intent was clearly to provoke/shock by saying things that were outside of the perceived scope of what you could say: challenging the boundaries, basically. Towards the end of the interview, I remember him saying something to the effect of, "We can't talk about these things in our culture." It pretty much summarizes what he was trying to get at in the interview. I'm sure he today would have chosen to go about things differently in that interview, but I give him some slack for that one.
This interview is amazingly done. The thing that really lifts me up the most about this interview is seeing Jordan Peterson genuinely smile and laugh.
Sick.
Yes. And also the respectful way Russel listens ... then asks questions to further understand; never aiming to catch his interviewee out but to further build trust. He's a gifted (and very well prepared) interviewer - which clearly creates connection with Jordan (as you said).
And cried also ☹️.
Yeah, you don't often see people interview him without an agenda to destroy him or try an push a right wing agenda onto his narrative.
@@JenBroadley great comments Jennifer. it clearly helps that russell clearly got a lot from his books. so talking and interviewing from "inside" jp's work.
Such a breath of fresh air to see an interview where the interviewer doesn't have an agenda but actually approached it with sincere curiosity.
Considering Russell has been more left with his comedy since he started Hour, I'm absolutely surprised to see him turning back to a more 'I don't give an f-' attitude like he had with Good News, especially interviewing Jordan Peterson. Very happy to see this!
I mean, he does have an "agenda", because he clearly already likes him and was a fan. That's an agenda, of a sort.
Russell is always like that. A very good interviewer and asks good, often insightful questions with sincerity. Certainly become more than a comedian.
"So you're saying [uncharitable take]?" ad nauseum.
@@FirlowXD The trouble I find with most of the Jordan Peterson interviews is that the interviewers immediately attack him with questions based on their own biases. I like interesting questions followed by interesting answers so I can make up my own mind and form my own opinions.
I’ve never seen Jordan Peterson smile as much as he did in this interview….and it’s fantastic.
unfortunately he never skips a chance to squeeze out a fake tear :D about the fake people he helped
@@kaivogel253 honestly!?! You have absolutely no reason to say this!?! What’s the matter with you?? Do you need a hug??
@@kaivogel253 he may not have helped you but he has helped millions of people
Yes and beeing so vitty, looks like his old self.
@@kaivogel253 Are you here because of George Floyd?
Omg when he said they dance together I almost lost it he’s amazing bless them 🥺
lovely to see russel and jordon so relaxed and so informal. thats the difference between a comedian who knows how to interview andn a normal interviewer, so real heartwrenching questions too. was a good watch.
This was one of the most genuine and well-conducted interviews I have ever watched. The value of actually listening to someone else should never be sidelined.
meanwhile that senile old demagogue came up with a whole plethora of climate change denial and antivaxxer tweets - the pUbLiC iNtElLeCtUaL
@@kaivogel253 I in no way commented on any of Peterson's rhetoric, I merely praised the interview process highlighted in the video.
@@justinbenoit9346 the senile one is creepy joe of course ;-)
@@kaivogel253 BS.
@@kaivogel253 did you even listen to that podcast from beginning to the end? You understand nothing
Russel is actually such a good interviewer this was brilliantly done
Extraordinarily brilliant. The depth of love Jordan clearly has for his wife, is also admirable
That was a very good interview. I don't agree with everything Jordan says. But, I did learn some things.
Thoroughly agree. Not sycophantic not adversarial just a proper conversation with both parties chipping in with shared experiences to back the narrative. Really good!
@@waynerobertson511 exactly you don't have to agree with someone to interview them or to know that an interview was conducted well.
He’s so good at it for the same reason his comedy is so sharp - his intelligence and capacity for empathy filtered through his humour
When he said "if you can sit down and breath...... there's lots of people that don't have that", I just burst into tears. I'm a 52 yr old man, single for 18 years because of mental health issues after suffering some major sexual, verbal, mental and physical abuse as a child and young teen; but still now after all that and all the struggle that came after and the ongoing issues that are smaller but more manageable - even with that in mind, I'm still healthier than many my age, a small little business of my own, have a roof over my head and some money in the bank (though lockdown used up a lot of it), not a lot by most peoples standards my age, but enough to fund for my daily needs, and some friends to call my own. I have everything I need and more than most, especially with the Ukrainian war going on. I should be thankful more often, not to god, because he cannot exist and my life have been as it was - but just "thankful" in general. Edit: I'm so very grateful for all the replies and messages, and even more for those that have expressed a feeling of hope, however small, from my words - truth is I have often wondered at "my purpose" in life, as we all often do, with no children, spouse or significant other and few friends whom do not have any form of personal reliance on my continued survival, it would not be too much of an exaggeration to say that were I to die in my sleep tonight, there would be little words or feelings of loss at my passing - but each day I continue to wake up, and occasionally get a message from someone like Chico's Mommy, and I guess that might be my purpose, to show "a life", even one as small and limited as mine, is still possible.
@@hannahreynolds7611 That's very kind of you Hannah Thank you :) Bit by bit, Day by day.
Good luck mate. I'm sure anyone who's read your post will wish you well
Congratulations on being able to conquer back your life after a really bad start, and appreciating the things that are good in your life. I don't know if the words of a random stranger on the internet mean anything to you, but I was moved by what you wrote, and wish you nothing but happiness and success going forward. Stay strong, battle these mental health demons, and send them back to hell. Sending my thoughts to you.
@@HauptgefreiterB That's so very kind of you and a words of kindness from a stranger are so much more meaningful than from those around us daily, because it takes an act of purpose to take the time to make them known; a purpose not required, but done anyway out of genuine feeling. It's these occasions when Humans show the best of themselves XX. (eh? Somehow I've become a philospher too? I'll take it.) As for the Demons I keep them in a box, sometimes they get out but I've become quite good at corralling them up again - surprisingly earworms turn out to be a very good defensive mechanism to take up the "empty" space the Demons like to inhabit (the place the "bad voices" we all have like to live) when I'm not actively concentrating on something, although LOL, I do get some doozy's on occasion - a few weeks back I had "Duke of Earl" (By Gene Chandler) for a whole day, (and sung by Fran, the annoying, nasally afflicted hooker in the film "man with two brains") as my internal jukebox seems to contain every bit of music I've ever heard, including all the crap / weird stuff. Google "the birdie song" yeah that afflicts me on occasion too, haha.
Hope you're doing good. Best wishes.
Ive only vaguely heard of JP, but Russell Howard is an absolute genius at interviewing ... the mixture of the precise observation, humility and humour that gets the best out of the interviewee, the interview with Greta Thunberg is really a classic.
Oh wow, I never imagined Russell ever having a discussion with Jordan Peterson. Respect to this guy. I'm a fan of both.
Why wouldn’t he? It was just a conversation about music.
@@arjanpetersen Most interviewers just bash Jordan.
My respect for Russell has grown exponentially because he was brave enough to talk to Jordan, many people will hate him for it.
Think about how ridiculous that is for a moment. Very sad times we live in
then at least russel is hated by the people of no consequence.....these people dont hate russel or Jordan, they hate themselves thats why they reject the truth's that jordan speaks because it shines a light on their own self destructive nature.
The huge gamble and fallacy the far left have ridden on is this idea that JP was a man of the right. The reason why JP resonates and was and continues to be important is actually that his message is against extremism, both right and left. Therefore if he is against the far left, they see an enemy, and they spent years trying to drag his name into the dirt. He embodies both a liberal and empirical way of approaching issues and a strong sense of traditional values which (I'll use academic like jargon here) attract a positive message towards religious thinking and the positivity of masculinity. "When I saw Jordan Peterson I realised that America just needs a Dad"
@@jimmillward3505 yeah, can't just be that he hates trans people or anything, can't be anything to do with that.
@@drunkenwoodelf he doesn’t hate trans people at all. Do some research instead just talking shit and getting your facts from Twitter.
We need more conversations like this in the media, most people converse like this in the real world, lets see more of it on the screens.
This interview helped me to accept and integrate Jordan Peterson's philosophical views. I was put off by the rumours and second or third hand characterizations about him. I'm gladly corrected and enlarged by this new information. Save our children from click bait mind death.
Right?! Thank you, brother! I have held on to a book of his for one of my closest friends who is also going through a GRUELING time, just because I know they have likely only heard the lie, and I don't want to risk exacerbating their pain in any way.
Do your own research. Its a great rule of thumb.
“Click bait mind death” sounds like a fantastic death metal band!
That makes me really happy to hear that. Please, do what you can to convince those second and third party people that they've misjudged him. If you watch and read what he has to say, it is immensely clear that his main message is that everyone has the potential to do something amazing, and there's nothing more worthwhile than the pursuit of that. He's only controversial if you want to imagine that he is. Well unless you're far left or far right of course, then everything he says will be controversial to you. Because he's pretty adamant that you should take as much personal responsibility for the problems in your life as possible, and that's not really what radicals do.
Yeah he's a good egg
These two men talk so much sense and with heartfelt honesty,I'm such an admirer of both of them
Well done Russell. THIS is how you conduct an interview. Absolutely no agenda towards Jordan whatsoever. Was a pleasure to watch, thank you too both of you for just being yourselves.
It's actually given me more respect for Russel when it was starting to wither. Top lad he is 😊
@@neezduts69420 Speaks volumes doesn't it bro?
Also didn’t push back at all and acted like a fan boy
@@neezduts69420 someone sounds defensive of their cult leader. Not mad just saying it was basically a fan interview
@@Bickle121 also stay mad
This was a really heartfelt interview. You did a fantastic job, Russell.
Taskmaster brought me here.
@@tpilot_error404 hahaha me too: what is this primitive community called? district 12? back to basic as in build back better? the people on the right in small communities called districts, the people on the left the freaky city audience and there is the global elite's mmmmmm sound to me a lot like ...... ..... free mason 33 russel! right and left elite's don"t exist, they work together towards the same goal! there are only left and right people that is the divide!
what is this primitive community called? district 12? back to basic as in build back better? the people on the right in small communities called districts, the people on the left the freaky city audience and there is the global elite's mmmmmm sound to me a lot like ...... ..... free mason 33 russel! right and left elite's don"t exist, they work together towards the same goal! there are only left and right people that is the divide!
It was very good. Too many people are more concerned about getting that "Gotcha" moment.
Thank you for giving Jordan Peterson an interview without trying to demonize him. Thank you.
I have to admit that I've never really "got" Russell's comedy but he did a really great job here: perfect balance of letting JP speak, gentle probing and making his own points which were well thought through and eloquent.
@@CandyMan2001 nah I mean he pokes fun at left and right leaders so I don't think he's 'sold out' but his good news days were the best
@@GregoryMcStevens Personally disagree as someone who grew up on good news I feel like he's come into his element more within the past half decade or so, the idea he's sold out is silly, beyond a few questionable views on lgbt stuff that kind of opposes Russell's previous statements, I think Jordan peterson is knowledgeable on alot of things especially mental health wise, boiling people down to there worst moment or "take" is a product of a toxic Internet mentality in my opinion
It's been a *_LOOOONNNNG_* time since an interview this good happened on any major network. Podcasts and channels like this do interviews this good _every single day_ and they are making mainstream outlets look like amateurs. Also, it's just great to see Peterson out on the circuit again doing talks, on-site interviews, etc. I think this tour will be even more important than the one he did a few years ago. It's like a victory lap.
The Main stream media are amateurs. I mean look, the word professionalism's root is profess for a reason and the main stream media has long ago started to profess wokeness and other bullshit ideology. They don't profess to bring something worth their customers time to their customers attention. They say they do but that's not the same as professing.. like a falsely accused person would profess their innocence. So yeah, they're amateurs in every since of the word.
Agreeed
really hasnt tbh. Theres always you guys in the comment section saying "we NEEEEED more conversations like this" or FINALLYYYY so cringy
Brilliant assessment. I watched your analysis of Peterson’s communication a few weeks ago, really great. I enioy your analyses, keep them coming.
must be American
Not gonna lie, that got me & I shed a tear. Fantastic interview, no politics, no "gotcha" attempts, no offence harvesting, just a good, rational & interesting interview.
All his interviews are just how you described. It's the bad interviewers who make it about politics and offence, and Jordan usually deals with those people appropriately.
@@raoulduke344 by twisting his face into a fist so the anger and hate can shine xD so easy to see through, your liar prophet
@@kaivogel253 "your liar prophet"? He's neither mine nor a liar nor a prophet. He is not full of anger and hate - instead, he uses logic, pragmatism and his intellect to explain his position on certain subjects. I really don't know what it is that you're trying to say.
In all honesty, that's always been Russell's interview strategy. He asks what the person is comfortable with talking about. Peterson has dabbled enough in politics, what with spreading falsehoods, toxic and unprofessional behavior. The man isn't even seen as a prominent figure within psychology nor is he a respected one. The only reason why he is here is because he is famous and a controversial figure comparable to Ben Shapiro.
Didn't realise that Russell is such a fantastic interviewer. The respect between these 2 is obvious. So great the RH asks a question and then actually allows the interviewee answer. Definitely a career to fall back on if the old stand-up routine doesn't work out :-)
you mean the role of a drooling fanboi? Russell claimed to have read Petersons poorly written "books" and still missed the heaping helping of misogyny, missing citations for any of his generalized claims, the casual promotion of violence and the prescribed apathy in the face of society's problems?
@@kaivogel253 here's the snowflake socialist who can neither understand metaphors or comedy
@@kaivogel253 Tell em kai. His mentally ill male without a daddy fan base really do protect him like their father.
Fantastic way he established his bias towards him straight away instead of actually interviewing him
@@kaivogel253 what a fantastic way to wave a big red flag on yourself. Thanks for being the absolute example of what a Tyrant is. Sheesh, you made short work of it people just have to see this. And the fact you sift through every comment in the section just to project yourself. Like, damn, give yourself some respect you don't have to reveal yourself to everyone. Lol.
how refreshing to see two men engaged in an exploratory conversation with mutual respect and appreciation. rh .... im impressed.
This is proper journalism, asking relevant questions but from a neutral and open standpoint. It represents the interviewee in the most genuine possible way and allows you to form your own opinions from there rather than from a view already tainted by someone else’s agenda.
@Kenneth Hymes go and watch jammela Jamil rant who tf are you
@Kenneth Hymes Peterson’s work is the opposite of destructive. It consolidates all that evolutionary biology, psychology and ethics tells us is needed for a healthy, productive society. And it starts with the individual. It’s clear from your comment that you’re one of those people that Jordan talks about in his opening remarks here. You’re not angry at Jordan, but at what he’s been shown, erroneously, to represent by people who are dead set against sovereignty of the individual, personal responsibility, freedom of expression, and those tools which make a productive society. Don’t be that person; it makes you seem dull and ignorant. I used to think that way until I realised I’d been hating this man whose work I’d never read and whose words I’d never given any time or thought towards. I only disliked him because others said I should, and that’s no way for anyone to formulate an opinion, nevermind something as strong as hatred for another human being.
@Kenneth Hymes Oh piss off and take your hatred with you back to your basement.
@Kenneth Hymes So please share more than subjective evaluations. Point us directly to the material that shows a "record of dishonesty...intellectual fraud" and "harm to vulnerable communities". Or, does just asking this constitute proof that I'm wrong'un?
@Kenneth Hymes I definitely don’t agree with Jordan on all his views, but fundamentally he’s a good, intelligent man with strong morals. He isn’t “hateful” and “regressive” and he certainly isn’t an ignoramus. Even more so because he actually doesn’t say anything that outrageous, you’re wrong, he absolutely does deserve respect, just like every other human being does. And attention? As I said, he is an intelligent man with very important perspectives on certain issues, plus he has written multiple books which I know have helped thousands of people. Furthermore, he has clearly experienced severe mental health hardship, and the fact that he survived such an extreme case of this means he has valuable advice to give to others going through the same thing. So I’d argue yes, he does deserve attention. I genuinely don’t know what you mean by “launder their destructive histories” so I won’t comment on that. Just let yourself be a little more open-minded with things like this. I too used to dislike Jordan Peterson, and I still wouldn’t say I’d call myself a fan of his, but I have developed respect for him now and understand how important so much of his advice is to young men and women.
If only journalists conducted interviews in such a compelling way as this. Fantastic dialogue.
This has to be one of the only interviews that I've seen where Dr Peterson has genuinely smiled and laughed more than once. This has to be my favorite
Imagine being the guy always keeping his guard on, and then this breath of fresh air, and he breaks down, well done Russel. And JP's life experiences are educative and motivating. He often gets emotional when someone actually listens to what he says...
Thank you, Russell. I will admit that I was one of those people that had heard about him second-hand and made conclusions. This interview is an important reminder that you don't have to agree with everything someone says, but that doesn't mean they're the worst person on the planet. Thank you for bridging the divide and hosting this interview.
Go research on the accusations against him. They're all lies
Have a listen to his lectures from his previous tour. Will change your life, even if you don't agree with everything 🙂
This man is so enlightened! Because he’s orating in our current pc culture many bash him but he is so honest about reality and how many twist things for their own benefit while ignoring blatant hypocrisy! This man is brilliant, not everyone’s cup of tea but I think everyone should listen to his opinion.
@@thearmchairjournalist566 here he is defending the incredibly racist bell curve with known white naitonalist stefan molyneux kzhead.info/sun/nKpxdpusoZ-vko0/bejne.html
@@christyguy59 given Molyneux's opinions on race and IQ Peterson was quite measured. no one who works in this field denigrates the veracity of the data, only what conclusions we draw. given the data going back 100 years it's a difficult subject to navigate even for the most articulate professional in this field like peterson.
When Dr Peterson talks about his struggle he always starts to cry. A man whos been through it all but strong enough to help the rest of us.
Chiron the wouneed healet. No one can heal others until they have healed themselves
I dont think healing can ever be done.All of us has gone through tremendous problems and at any moment our anger can come out.We better find out something to cling on a hope to strive for.Like Dr Peterson hope to convey his message of view of world and way of living meaningfully
He used to act like a bully and now cries with self pity but disguises it as a kind of heroic struggle. He gave all sorts of advice which he didn't apply to himself. He blames his addiction on his wife's cancer. Shameful. He knows a lot of his fanbase are getting his message as a reinforcing of their beliefs including incels and racists. He may deny it but doesn't totally discourage it because he is first and foremost a careerist. Clever man though.
@@luckydave328 Show me one clip where he acted like a bully. Just one. I'll wait. His advice is built around trying to be the best version of yourself. He's a man who has literally pulled many struggling dissillusioned people out of despair, including myself. I'd say he's very much TRYING to be the best version of himself and his acedemic and publishing success and the positive improvements his ideas have made on other people's lives reflects that. He's not perfect, he's fallible. I don't agree with everything he's ever said on every subject, and he's stumbled and fallen and picked himself up again after battling his own demons - He's just human. His addiction was to drugs that he was prescribed - and his daughter has extensively covered this. Try watching some of Mikaela's podcasts for a real insight. For you to literally strawman that he somehow "blames" his wife for his addiction is utterly disgusting on your part. Hang your head in shame.
@@luckydave328 YOU SAID IT RIGHT. That's what i am saying all along. A pure narcissistic psycho. I was on his side a few years ago but man. This dude has tramsformed into a cry baby safeguarded by online presence and cult like tours. No more slaying the dragon.. more like slaying the wallet..
I feel this is an honest interview. Hasn’t been edited, thank you so much for putting this out there!
To get a man on any level to show emotion in an interview is a high level of comfort. Russell did an incredible job with this interview. More intelligent interviews like this would be amazing
Russell starting stuttering "C...C...C" and seemed really uncomfortable when JP started crying. An interesting interview with keen, clear observations and comments made by Russell Howard and Jordan Peterson.
Really impressed with how Russell conducted the interview. Lovey to see Jordan able to sit down, chat and open up.
"We tried to live as if life was still possible" the ability to find the strength to do that is surely immeasurable.
Even with drugs he didn't have the strength to do it... it seems
@@stevegreen243 Great TED talk
I love Jordan B. Peterson and loved how Howard made him smile, laugh and cry. Two legends in an interview!
russel is not a legend ,
neither are lol. Russell is a fair character who is very much milktoast whereas Peterson is neither here nor their and is just another tv talking head.
@@iwakuraSanta feel better now?
Russell is more likely one if these people that supports everything Jordan is against
@@paulhornsey-pennell1931 o9oh look a clever remark
Man I don't know why but every time I see Jordan laugh or smile it just makes me happy and brings a tear to my eye.
Relief for him, that he doesn't have to always live only in his head, like some sort of an AI robot. ...?
This was a great interview and I was impressed by Russel's interviewing skills, digging deep in a short time, asking good questions without being confrontational and creating an atmosphere of openness and warmth, really wonderful.
They seemed to have already established rapport, Jordan Peterson showed a warmth right off the bat that suggests to me that they've been talking prior to this interview. Of course, it could also just be his standard mode of being, or just how he felt in that moment, but I think in this case, there's something extra there in my opinion.
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@@JTProductions3 lol not in the way you're thinking. it's fine. dummy
I have seen Russel Howard ask 5 year old's tougher questions. I am sorry but this was not an interview this was paid advertisement.
@@HeSaidThatHerGyatWasSoOhio Hmm. What do you mean exactly? What would you hope to get out of the interview by hearing those "tougher questions" (and presumably the answers to them), and could you give an example of such questions? Cheers.
Brilliant interview by Russell. He asked all the right questions and got Jordan to really open up. I don't think I've ever watched him in a better interview.
check out the ones with theo von
... and Russel Brand, and Joe Rogan. All great interviews
Couldn't agree more. Perfect questions and a great interview style.
Same. I don't think he is funny as a standup comedian, but he seems like he could be a very good interviewer and independent journalist.
It is lovely to see Jordan emotional and vulnerable. His love for his wife is so apparent and it is nice to see an emotional side to a an intelligent and logical man.
It's genuinely amazing that the best interviews these days come from comedians who are willing to listen and yet also have such good questions, journos too often have this attitude that it is their job to catch the subject out on whatever issue and destroy them, which of course only leads them to lock up and be too defensive. Well Done Russell on researching beforehand and going into the interview knowing who the man is. Jordans point on comedians being the canary in the coal mine is spot on.
really lovely to hear more about Jordan's personal life with his marriage, great interview Russell
Love Russel👌🏻
@@VentureHolly Hello. Could you let us know more about one of these "Previous comments"?
@@karenfaulkner5922 holding you accountable for your previous comment, what previous comments should he have held him accountable for?
Mr Peterson looks like he’s got his light back, just when we needed him the most. What an amazingly emotive interview and a very pleasant surprise.
Jordan Peterson talking about his wife is the most heartwarming thing I've witnessed in a long while.
It’s so heartwarming to see Dr Peterson’s real emotions and passion for subjects he talks about, what a man!
Well done Russell, this was important. You’ve done the right thing standing up for honesty and not just blind rage.
the same rage that shows on the lobster prophets face when he's asked about one of his lies? xD yeah right, pretend he looks calm
I don’t know Russell well, but this interview made me respect him a lot as an interviewer and a human. The questions about music and dancing with his wife were so lovely. I know most other interviewers would have just left it at Jordan’s teary point and moved on to something else, but Russell questioned further about it :’) I like where his attention was and how genuine this conversation felt.
he's oddly good at this.
Well said. I guess what was stand out was Russell’s agenda was to understand the person. Many others have a different agenda (often linked to some aspect of identity politics).
All of the edgy comedians were removed from the BBC around the time that Russell was brought in, for more puritanical comedy, if such a thing exists. I'd sort of assumed he was one of the woke comedians that have killed tv comedy in the UK, but then again, he doesn't give away his insightfulness in his comedy, only earnestness.
@@carbon1255 I was also pleasantly surprised to learn Russel Howard had apparently read a lot of Peterson's stuff. I never had any reason to dislike the guy, but I kinda assumed he'd not entertain such a "controversial" figure to be associated with him. Makes me happy.
Loved this, always felt RH had some depth to him, this proves it to me. Seeing JP comfortable, laughing, relaxed was a lovely thing to behold. Shed some tears at this one.
Yeah, for me I don't find Russel very funny but when he does stuff like this I have a lot of respect for him.
Russell brilliantly manoeuvres the conversation. So subtle yet amazing. Love these guys 👌🏽
That suit is stella.
nice facade for the nothing inside it.
Really appreciate having the balls to put this man in an interview, completely flying in the face of any hate you may receive as a result. Thank you
Thanks for doing and posting this Russell. You did yourself and Jordan (and us listeners) proud by being open minded, asking good questions and....LISTENING! Very refreshing
I really appreciated this interview. We should really do more things like these with many other different types of people in the future. Actually interviewing people as real life ‘people’. This is another area where Russell can shine.
This is actually quite important for Russell of all people to do, given his audience. Well done. I don't agree with this man on all points, but hearing what he has to say gives me a better understanding and gets me out of my potential echo chamber.
Thank you. I was coming here to comment that. Although I recognise the dangers of echo chambers, humans are naturally drawn to them and find that outside of echo chambers can be ‘uncomfortable’ which is weird when you consider that if you were confident in your beliefs, scrutiny shouldn’t make you tremor.
Exactly my approach. Having different opinions and hearing different arguments are the only way to broaden your view on the world, but for many people it is difficult to break out of their own bubble because they don't even know they are in one. Peterson has controversial views, and I disagree with his opinions more often than that I agree with them, but that has nothing to do with him as a person. I don't know him... I can't judge his person. I can only judge his opinions and his actions, but independent from the person.
The problem is not difference of opinions but is related with the fact that some people are acting on those views and trying to destroy the personal freedom or take individuals rights of certain groups of individuals going from attacking women's rights to LGBTQ.
When the gun is in your face, tell us about your lofty ideals.
@@BuildinWings who has a gun in your face? That kind of violent rhetoric is never appropriate.
Jordan saved my life …. Thanks Jordan And to anyone out there dealing with stuff. You will get through it
The first few times I listened to this Man,I thought he was arrogant.But the more I watch him,the more I find a very caring and gentle Soul.And a highly honest individual. Reminds me of the sort of people I'd see on interviews growing up like Orson Welles and Peter Ustinov etc.
I was genuinely moved by Jordan Peterson's story it brought tears to my eyes
This man has helped me and so many others in ways he'll never know. In a world of increasing division and chaos, JP is a constant source of logic and calmness.
hahahahah nonce
@@pete3701 The lefty KZhead juice bucket is strong among you. I've replied to you a few times yet my comments keep getting auto deleted by the website. Oh what a horrific person I am.
@@pete3701 You've been reported Peter
@@TomGB-81 yeah sorry pal i don't debate nonces
I love how he makes no expectations for people to find happiness with their suffering. He talks about accepting the tragedy of life and still finding something in it to live for. This is so refreshing compared with all the sunshine and rainbows crowd of self-help gurus. He's from a different political perspective to me, so I disagree with him on some areas. Though his rules for life appear to be good rules to live by, even though they won't be the only answer for everyone, they at least provide a good foundation for growth.
what I took away from this interview is that even a fully skilled psychologist, who learned how the minds of people usually work, can fall into the abyss. And I am so happy that he beat the darkness. It is always a rocky road to get back. That means, for everyone who is struggling out there, keep going. Survive a day at a time. Sort your mind out. Put all the pieces in your mind together and watch the sun eventually rise again. Mental health is a serious thing and too many people think, they are alone with their struggle. No, you are not. Someone was there before you, someone is right there like you and someone has passed that point. Either on a good or bad note. But you can make it out of it. Open up, talk to someone you trust, get back up. Life is tough. But you can make it. You need to be sick and tired of the suffering and fight it. YOU CAN MAKE IT.
This comment hit different. Thank you
Yes, doctors do get sick as well. Nobody is immune to depression, what counts is getting up
Well said.
@Brigada Fighting a depression too. Once a while I look at some videos that involves Dokter Peterson. But this one overwhelmed me. Felt alot of empathy and respect for both because of them being honest and themselves.
Awesome comment mate
What a brilliant interview... loved listening to you both.. Thank you
Such a treat to watch e Jordan and Russell. Two beautiful souls
Russel, i'm not going to pretend i'm your biggest fan, I watch your stuff every now and again. This interview with Jordan was amazing and your professionalism shone through. Thank you for this interview.
Jordan looks better than ever, glad to see him doing so well.
What an absolute class act from both of these gentlemen. Russell did an excellent job of expressing different points of view, and divulging his own conclusions, and expressing that they were his thoughts. So refreshing to see someone interviewing Jordan as a human being, and trying to get a personal side. I feel so much for Jordan now, I relate to his experiences of depression heavily (especially not being able to listen to music), he has been absolutely demonised when his intentions have been so good. If you study the man you can tell, he has no desire for animosity, and feels deeply hurt that anyone has felt like his work has contributed to this.
I'm used to seeing him debating all the time, it's so nice to see him in a discussion where both sides agree and he can talk more about himself. No guard or verbal strategy needed. I Really like him, brought a tear to the eye. All the best to them both
It really amazes me how any person, woman, or man...could look at this man crying genuine tears and think that is weakness. I think he is so strong...even if he doesn't think so himself. He's been through hell and came back as a survivor.
I don't think crying is representative of weakness, but in his case it surely is. How come you people all follow this devout liar? He's made a career off lying about Bill-C16 and fearmongering and people still believe the things he has to say? He's quick to judge people and tell them to clean their room when evidenced with good points, meanwhile his life is more in ruins than the people he critizises. He's a genuinely sad and pathetic man and I feel sorry for him. Yes his tears were real - that doesn't mean much however. Even killers can cry.
@@MonkeyDIvan have you read his books? Or just drafted a opinion based clips, memes you saw on your tube shorts or tik tok?
@@MonkeyDIvan His life is in ruins, nice to see the compassion there, his family suffer from depression, his wife was diagnosed with terminal cancer and was told she had a limited time left, he was given pills to help cope with the stress, and became addicted to them and almost died getting off them, regardless of what you think about his politics hes a human being
Well people like Jordan Peterson bully trans and gay people and hurt them and make their lives a misery. He is not a good person.
Peterson is famous for crying on camera. He does that to create emotional responses in you mindless drones. And you fall for it like absolute suckers xD
Watching Jordan try and control his emotions when he speaks about his wife and her suffering really resonates with me. It's hard to really compose yourself when something horrible happens. It's mainly why I suffer in my own mind. Sometimes it's okay to blurt out, Jordan. You keep up the great work that you do and inspire young men all over the world. You're an absolute idol.
Nice one Mr Girthzilla
I wonder how his wife felt when he wrote in his book when he was strung out on barbs, eh? maybe you should have made your bed, eh?
@@gwynetharmour3341 ?
@Gwyneth Armour That’s pretty mean-spirited. Why would want to be a negative influence on the world? Evil is accumulative and it often starts with those being deliberately uncharitable.
@@gwynetharmour3341 You sound like a miserable person. I sincerely hope that you find peace and happiness.
I really loved this interview. I don't always agree with all of his points of view but I really relate to him. Sending love and light his way.
Absolutely awesome interview thanks to all involved with it's production
Fantastic interview Russell. Was respectful to his pain. Actually teared up. Glad he is on the up now. 👍🏻
@@tocolitic echo chambers are dangerous
@@TS-hr7nv Agreed which is why I'm glad that these 2 talk about the importance of disagreement in a healthy society.
This interview is so underrated and truly captivating to see two people converse on a human level. Compared to JP other interviews this is amazing to see a more human side of JP and even Russell Howard. More of this. More respect for good journalism and being prepared to talk without bias but curiosity as well as insight into human physiology!
Jordan Beterson
Of course you enjoyed this. This was a complete piece of fluff. Not once did Russel bring up any of the batshit crazy ideas Peterson has.
I've always wondered what is the other way for humans to converse if not on a human level?
@James Williams There are none, the guy you're replying to knows it and repeats this crap ad infinitum like a good little tool
@@lunarwuffy5299 Stay mad furry
One of the best interviews I've seen of JBP. He looked so relaxed, under no pressure to defend himself & seemed to enjoy himself too. It was just like two mates down the pub having a chat. Well done you!! 😉😉😉
Legit cried pretty constantly through this. Thank you so much for allowing the man to be real. Much love and respect to you all from the Misty Mountains of North Carolina 💜🙏😁
It's a bit of revelation for me hearing Dr Peterson confess that when he was in the depths of depression he couldn't handle the sensory overload of music. I experienced this last year after a major life shock and I've been a DJ for over 25 years so for me it was a particularly alienating experience, especially given that none of my friends could relate. I was too emotionally and mentally exhausted and sensitive to hear anything that might trigger deep melancholy. Thank you for this video Russell. Superb stuff.
Same here, I wasn't able to listen to music at all!
Weirdly, the only music I could listen to after a major bereavement was the '69 Elvis comeback. Still don't really understand why. It didn't spoil it for me either, I can still happily listen to it. Perhaps it was the simplicity of it, there is nothing challenging about the songs or performance, it's pretty pure entertainment. Dunno.
Yes, it can be too over encompassing for your mind, especially when music speaks to you deeply, for me it sounds unbearably beautiful in a very harsh world if that makes sense
@@CJ-ft9yo completely
@@vanzahn I really hope you are doing well - you write so beautifully xx
I haven't liked Russell for years, but seeing how open he's being here, seeing him acting like a decent human being and not trying to twist every word and statement out of context, has given me a lot more respect for him. And dare say even opened me up to being a fan again. Subscribed!
I think RH is a rubbish comedian but I thought he handled this interview commendably. The problem with most of the comments on here are that they emanate from those who already have a pre fixed agenda, who hang their views on a Right or Left hook; without which they would have no independent thought. So they hear something JP says, and because it doesn't slot into their world view, they dismiss it.
@@toperic02 not just all that though I agree with you, there's "thought" leaders who have pre-subscribed narratives and responses to practically anything. And idiots on mass absorb them and belch them back out like they're dropping truth bombs. And they may even realise themselves that they're talking nonsense, but they've been given a formula that they think will silence someone, make that person appear bad while making them appear moral. And they also hope what they're saying will convince others who can't or won't think. I used to like the terms zombies and sheep when it comes to those type of people, but NPCs really nails it. They're phantom mud slingers. Some think they're actually throwing mud. Others hope we don't notice their hands are empty
@@nicosmind3 Yep, binary thinking is prominent and the frightening thing about it is that not only can these simple folk now voice their non opinions anonymously through social media but they actually believe its their own thoughts.
Same really, but after watching this well done Russell, he and Jordan are great People :)
Out of interest, why do you not like Russell as a comedian?
What a man.. wow. "You need something meaningful to set against suffering" What he said about viewing yourself on the outside, you can eventually find something that's curative. That's so hopeful. That really resonated with me.. everyone's journey is different and ultimately it's what we take from our trials, our battles and challenges, what we learn from them and use as tools in life going forward.
Excellent interview Howard ... Brilliant questions .... Also this should be shown to help people who find themselves in a similar situation . You can get better folks
One of the best conducted interviews I have ever watched. The amount of empathy and ability to listen and to pose the questions with such respect even facing a person that many people do not fancy. Great work and amazing to watch.
Watch more. This is very well conducted.
Wtf are you on about.....
It was a total softball interview.
@@auralacruz2616 I couldnt even get through it, Russell is so uneducated and lacks common sense or actual opinions of his own on anything.
@@saturnista5510 well aren't you just proving to the world what was discussed.
He loves his wife so much. With every video I've watched I think he's cried every time he talks about her. It's utterly beautiful xx
Gosh I felt his emotion, how beautiful the love he has for his wife ❤ I think I would tell every visiter in my house, we don’t worry if you don’t come back 😊more to adults than teenagers. Made me laugh!
I love this interview. One of the best by Russell Howard. Honestly wish this was longer
I would whittle down the quote to "You can agree with someone's opinion, without agreeing with all of their opinions". The description of his depression was very accurate - you forget that there is enjoyment and contentment in the mundane things in life. It's tempting to think you need big 'wow' factors to get out of it, but in reality you need to get back to enjoying a simple cup of tea or a walk with a pet, or the joy of a great TV show.
A pretty good example of that quote is Piers Morgan. He's a colossal twat, but there was a period of time during the pandemic when he was more or less the only interviewer unwilling to put up with the bullshit of the government ministers he was interviewing, and their inability to answer questions asked of them. He wouldn't let them get away with it, so while he is a twat, on those occasions, he was a twat pointed in what many would consider to be the correct direction.
@@georgercop the village idiot can’t be wrong 100% of the time. He’s at least a part of the village to some degree
@@D13Comics As much as I strongly disagree with Piers on some things, he is far from being termed as a village idiot... given the wealth and utter fame he has accumulated.
Well done Russell, letting this great man just be, no tricks
Wank. Absolute.wank.
@James Coleman I’m a fan and this is an opinion. If you disagree, fine
Love how much respect and time and consideration Russell gives to Jordan it’s refreshing honestly ✌🏻
Tears in a interview is brave. I had tears with fri nds and it was a great step, and everyone understood. And they open up too. Great experience.
I'm not generally a fan of Russell's stand up, but this was a great interview. Solid heartfelt questions where he actually listened to the prior answer (which is rare in interviewers these days). Good stuff!
Why is it you feel the need to say something as shitty as your opinion on his standup before you praised this video? It's such a toxic statement you pass off as a compliment
@@GeorgeZacharopoulos Probably as a qualifier to show that he isn't some zealot that blindly loves everything RH does. Also it's not shitty to say that you're not a fan of a person's work
@@NameName-wf7cb no that's total crap. It isn't like he watched a comedy clip and said oh normally I'm not into your comedy but this clip has proven otherwise. It's a completely different setting, RH's material is totally irrelevant to this interview. This is just knocking down with one hand to build with the other. Just pay the compliment without having to criticize at the same time. It's like telling a model who is also a doctor that "I don't normally find you attractive but well done on this diagnosis".
@Bluescore De'La'vieyeah well the notion is too subtle for you to get it, especially if you never created anything in your life
..he spoke, only when he needed to and that is a bit of skill, I`m a counsellor (person centred) and I still learnt something from this.
I've watched a lot of JP's interviews, and he never ceases to amaze me. What an incredible person!
Wow.. never thought you would interview someone like Jordan B Peterson. Respect!
I love JP, I hope he stays healthy for a long time and his family/friends..we need him! You can tell he's actually relaxed in this interview because he's not being misrepresented for once..it's nice too see..I have great respect for both these guys, first time knowing about Russel..
Of all the Jordan Peterson interviews I'v seen, this has to be one of the best. Big fan of both these, guys - what a joy to watch, could have watched them talk for an hour or two.
I think this interview was just as much therapy for Jordan as it was a good interview. Very powerful! Well done Russell!
narcissists don't respond well to therapy
@@kaivogel253 what makes him a narcissist, describe the traits
Thank you for such a lovely conversation.
What an incredible interview. Thank you.