Airplane TOOK OFF WITHOUT CLEARANCE. REAL ATC
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25 June 2023.
A Diamond DA40 Diamond Star registration N660PS, performing flight from Palo Alto Airport (KPAO) and back to Palo Alto Airport (KPAO).
Was instructed to hold short of the runway before departure due to approaching traffic but the pilot didn’t stop the aircraft, crossed the hold short line, entered the runway and started takeoff without the clearance...
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That video is a completely different situation and different ATX audio?
So many witch hunters in chat... it was a deliberate act obviously wicked intentions. Didn't want to way 2 minutes for the other guy to land... however the mistake in speak is clear for a non witch hunter.
I’m pretty sure, even with “radio trouble”, you can’t hear a takeoff clearance that was never given.
Yea, radio, schmadio......clearance schmearance......we gettin all third world up in hyear........
Isnt it always convenient how pilots have radio trouble when its not being allowed to land or take off, but once they done did their thing, suddenly the radio works fine....yeah, I notice that in many of these radio issue videos.
If you have radio trouble while you are taxiing, you turn around and go back to the ramp, you DO NOT continue out on to an active runway and take off.
It sounds like he wasn't expecting a clearance. My guess is he usually flies from uncontrolled strips, and didn't adequately prepare for this flight.
@@CMDRFandragon my thoughts exactly ! Crazy huh ?
I'm no pilot, but if you have trouble with your radios, why would you blindly take off? That seems really quite dangerous.
In controlled airbase you cannot go to loo without confirmed clearance. In theory some GA planes could be equipped with radio having more than one active frequency and some malicious actors could transmit on it but it would still be pilot fault and we would hear confirmation.
You wouldn’t because that would be very dangerous. That guy heard his instructions loud & clear but disregarded them due to ego. The system weeds these people out if Darwin doesn’t first. You simply hope they don’t hurt anyone else in the meantime.
The maps are very clear when an airport has a tower and what its frequency is. That being the case, you have no business taking off from said tower unless you have a clearance. This guy was so in the wrong, and because of the charts and procedures in place, he can't claim ignorance. Guys like this are a danger to themselves and others. Which, if they want to kill themselves then more power to 'em, but I take exception to when they take other people (and a perfectly good plane) with them.
@@danwilson9530 unfortunately, when Darwin weeds them out, there may also be collateral damage.
When he got instructions to hold short, the voice in my head kept saying, "Where is your readback? Where is your readback?" Then I saw him cross the line and heard the "lining up" call, and I just couldn't contain an audible groan. I feel for the Cirrus pilot having to go around, but this could've been so, so much worse.
That radio trouble sure cleared up real quickly...
IKR?
I think he pretended to have radio problems to justify taking off with no clearance. That won't fly (womp womp) with the FAA, though.
After takeoff, I thought the Tower was purposely stringing him along.....giving him more time and opportunity to hang himself. Worked like a charm! 😂
It's possible to have poor radio reception on the ground, like if your plane's antenna doesn't have a clear line to the tower. Such a problem would disappear once in the air. I'm not suggesting this was the situation here, only that there is some logic to trying again once the plane is airborne. Also, it got the pilot past the critical take-off phase of flight to where he could more safely focus on the conversation.
@@j_taylor Doesn't change the fact that you don't enter a runway, never mind taking off without clearance. The radio not picking up is no excuse. If anything, lost radio communication would be a hold where you are until contact can be established.
Im an electrician, we use radios for work, sometimes when the radios arent working well we get random takeoff clearances. 😂
Too funny.
😂😂😂
:-D
Yeah! No matter how hard I push the pedal to the metal it don't take off. The highway patrol just won't accept that the tower gave me clearance straight though to LA...I might need a good lawyer. ?..... Lol? Seriously a really screwed up. Unclear message is no message. Fix the blasted radio before you get off the ground. Better find out it fails where it can get fixed before you get shot out of the sky cos the president is visiting and nobody can tell you.
I was sent into a company with several buildings once to work on their panels and then label them when we were finished. There was absolutely nothing labeled as it was. So my helper and I had our radios out, I'm flipping breakers and he's trying to sort out what it was doing. We started having some pretty amusing ing replies back and forth of course, especially since he was black and his radio handle he chose was kind of... uncouth. Suddenly we start getting some lady cutting in telling us to stop it and grow up. So I kinda lit into her and said some really interesting things. And that's when she came back with "SIR THIS IS A SCHOOL BUS, THERE ARE CHILDREN LISTENING!". I immediately lost and about double over laughing, but decided that might be enough radio for a lil bit.
Haha, love instead of saying "Possible pilot deviation" she just said "pilot deviation"
Exactly, that’s what I was going to say.
No need to say "possible" in that case, it was quite clear who was at fault here...
Yeah I'm surprised she didn't say "blatant deviation"! 😂 I suppose that was her way of remaining professional. Lol
Former pilot deviation
That other pilot in the Cirrus probably landed and was unable to fly the rest of the day after that close call. He stayed calm.
I had no idea that the appropiate reaction towards not hearing the tower is to simply issue yourself the clearances.
The aviation version of "OK, I turn left now, good luck everybody" and not have blinkers on at all.
@@mindlessgonzo LOL classic family guy reference
More like overpassing red light 🚦 in a busy intersection. 5:52
That guy must play MSFS Steam Edition with nobody in tower.
the guy probably drives a BMW too
Pilot: I'm sorry but cannot hear you now due to the bad radio. Act: So you can't hear me? Pilot: No, I cannot hear you voice all all.
No thanks, for the transcript.
Just makes no sense at all.
kimi raikkonen moment
*eyeroll*
@@mariejukuBut you answer still
And that, my friends, is how deadly accidents happen.
if he ded i dont care
@@Cadence-qt2uxmoron
This is how deadly accidents are *avoided* Bravo Zulu to the controller and 29J pilot.
Indeed.
@@Cadence-qt2uxwork on your English buddy
ATC's aren't the most loved folks out there... But, I love this ATC! She immediately canceled the IFR. She offered to call 29J base before pilot even asked. She gave visuals again without the pilot having to ask. Gave 29J a sincere and confidence inspiring "no worries" when 29J said he wasn't familiar with the area. 100% PRO!!!
All of the ATCs at KPAO are! I remember when she started in the tower. That is a very busy GA airport too.
As a pilot of 3 decades, I’m not understanding the first sentence you wrote. I have no issues with ATC. They are team mates. I don’t have any coworkers that would agree with you either. I hope you don’t fly if you have a preconceived notion that ATC folks are no good.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 ATC is my friend. I have a great sense of humor, except when it comes to FAA and TSA. I don’t mess with them. The people in KPAO’s tower are great!
@@paulfick5440 right. I was responding to the initial post by Thomas, where he says that atc aren’t well loved. I think that’s a wrong attitude for a pilot. I’ve always had good experiences with controllers. Yes, sometimes things can get a bit testy, but that happens everywhere. Overall ATC are good people and overall pilots are good people and they work together just fine. There isn’t any “dislike”. There shouldn’t be.
We're very spoiled at KPAO. All of our ATCs are really, really good. They have to be considering how incredibly busy it gets.
It was nice to see how helpful ATC was to the wronged pilot, not just in executing his go-around, bit making sure he had the correct number to call just in case he was inclined to file a complaint.
pilots take heat from their airlines for go-arounds and missed deadlines. the air traffic controller offering to call his base was to make sure he wasn't unjustly penalized for the other pilots dangerous behavior and for her safety call. same with helping him make a complaint - supports their complaint, but also protects the pilot who had to go around. agree with previous - she is a real pro!
@@danafry7085I think she was referring to a 'base turn'- afaik it's just one of that last turns to line up with the runway. Basically saying "I'll tell you when you're good to turn back towards us." She was great, but wasn't offering to call the pilot's boss with an excuse note haha
@@danafry7085 Responsible airlines have a no-fault go around policy. Either way, the plane that went around was an SR20, not an airliner. And calling base means calling his base turn in the traffic pattern, not calling someone on the phone.
@@madrockxvx Penalties for go-arounds seems like a sure way to get your planes into dangerous situations. That would be really dumb.
@@dak1st exactly
I agree with 29J..."Unbelievable!" Even with a bad radio, anyone who cares about life and limb looks for traffic before entering a runway...This guy is a menace to himslef and everyone else. Kinda funny (but also not) how tower was so eager to get a good complaint from 29J. Obviously sick of his dangerous antics.
29J's complaint or not, that guy was definitely in trouble. Never got takeoff clearance and the recording of the conversation proves it, and FAA doesn't want to hear "I assumed they gave me clearance while my radio was not working"
“Anyone who cares about life and limb looks for traffic before entering a runway” You’ve obviously never flown around crop dusters. Lmfao
@@JRNation8988 haha!
u guys cry like babies its wild.
Sometimes it’s not possible to look for traffic because of poor visibility lol. The pilot’s problem was he didnt wait for clearance from the tower before entering the runway. His initial instruction was to taxi and head to runway but not cleared for take off yet.
This sort of behavior is completely unacceptable. Any student pilot knows that they can't take off without clearance. This should mean an automatic 90 day license suspension along with a stiff fine. Then the pilot will think twice about doing it again. I'm worried he will just get a slap on the wrist.
Sounded like the Ground controller also shares your concern.
There still is a chance that the pilot was in a mindset being on an uncontrolled airport somehow.
@@BarryHofland. This is what I thought, too. However, when the tower called him it was clear that he wasn't able to hear anything, or he just flat out ignored it, and when told to call the tower number, he replied that he was already on PA Tower freq. No, there was a radio issue and it was the airspace between the earcups.
I'll doubt there will only be a slap on the risk with the tower declaring (possible) pilot deviation and then the pilot that had to go around being highly suggested by ground control to report it.
@@ImpendingJoker Indeed. He took off and damn, did I take off without clearance and how do I explain this? Oh I know, radio probs.
First time I've seen a 'pilot deviation' called out, rather than 'possible pilot deviation'. This won't end well.
Fuck that guy. "Oh I have problems with my radios." Yeah crazy how radio malfunctions cause auditory hallucinations that give you a take-off clearance at a towered field...
Cause there wasn't no possible about it. He taxied on the runway without permission and took off without permission
Well it’s funny that she said pilot deviation but technically we are required to say “possible pilot deviation”. Legally, we don’t investigate or punish pilots, we simply control traffic and let the FAA pull the tapes.
If you at a controlled airport you can not take off without a takeoff clearance. The N660PS pilot needs to have a long talk with the FAA.
Or maybe a very short talk…
Oh, he’s gonna. It won’t be much of a conversation, I’m guessing.
Technically someone from the FAA Flight Standards District Office at SJC will be calling him. They are really nice people, according to a friend. 😉
He needs a 709 check and the examiner should fail him before he even starts.
yur a genious
Surprised he didn't make some static noise with his mouth to really sell the 'radio problems'.
Unreal. Even if he was having radio issues (likely had the volume turned down), you don't just take to the runway and takeoff! At a towered airport no less! Holy moly. Tower was very polite with him. I know down here in SoCal, your hands would be shaking writing down that number because they would rip you a new one. He needs to go back to school.
That doesn't sound very safe.
I think it was a combination of having the volume turned down and not realizing it was a towered airport, based on his transmission just prior to take off. But, if that's the case, that's an equally serious issue. The pilot just assuming he's at a non-towered airport is equally inexcusable.
I think you’re right. He did act like he thought he was at a non-towered field. That seems sorta nuts to me too, but maybe he’s used to flying from non-towered fields and habit took over.
Either scenario is unacceptable, not to mention dangerous. I really hope, he doesnt get off with a slap on the wrist.
@@dfuher968 I totally agree. They are different problems, but both huge problems. At a minimum he needs to go back to fight school for a bit.
ground: do you wanna phone number to make a complain against the other aircraft? Cirrus 29 J: Hell yeah!!!
I’m having trouble with my radio! … You’ve got more trouble than that.
Let me introduce you to my friend "pilot deviation"
If the radio problems cause you to hear voices that give you a nonexistent take off clearance, it may not be your radio that's the issue.
Lesson learned: Until you hear your takeoff clearance, STAY ON THE GROUND.
I guess his best defense would be that he didn't realize he was on a controlled field. Notice how he never "requests" anything but just states his intentions? That's what you would do on an uncontrolled airfield. It wouldn't spare him much though, it would be gross negligence however you put it. Neglecting to read up on the airport is not that much better than proceeding without clearance.
In that case, perhaps he had Tx and no Rx, was unable to hear any calls by tower or anyone else?
@@liam3284 Aren't you supposed to announce the airspace name at the beginning and end of your transmission if you are the doing the uncontrolled airspace radio call?
@@harrodharrod5239 Yes, though it's not unusual to hear sub-par comms at uncontrolled fields (as is mine). Even missed comms aren't that unusual when weekend warriors are in the air. Not too long ago, after calling a 10mile inbound, then a 5mile, then a 3mile on the 45 for left downwind - trying to be as careful and clear as possible, because a) it was busy and b) I knew most of the CFI's and CFII's that were in the air at the time and didn't want to get them any excuse to chew me out later - I entered the left downwind, thankfully wider than usual, and noticed (just as I called THAT as well) i was abeam of another GA, non-school, plane also on the downwind, from which I'm sure I hadn't heard any call. (And while I can miss a call, I doubt any of the CFI's in the air would have heard it and me and decided to not say anything!) Apparently that other GA plane had just taken off and stayed in the pattern without any calls of which I was aware, because I didn't spot him on departure, during his left crosswind, nor of course on the left downwind - but I should have been looking more carefully, instead of relying on a radio call to give me a heads-up about traffic. So it was a good lesson for me to learn. (FWIW, I extended my downwind, which I knew was safe to do there, instead of doing a 360 or a 270 into the left base, because I didn't want to lose sight of that plane until it got off the runway. It all worked out.)
He had been talking with ATC and read back correctly. That does not indicate any possible defence short of stupidity and the need to be grounded forever. He also needs to hand in his driver's licence if he has one.
@@davidhandyman7571 I never said it was a particularly good defense...
I hope his hearing improves in time for his meeting with the FAA.
The voice of 29J's pilot when having to go around was such an amazing mix of ticked off, and incredulity. I don't know if I've heard quite that mix of emotions before.
you must not have kids 🤣
He was an unprofessional whiner, and his pattern sucked, yet he was happy to make excuses for that
@MakingandBreaking Correct. Nor do I want to have them.
@@RadioactiveSherbet I've used that same tone of voice innumerable times
@@BurkaLifter I'm not a pilot in any way, but this was my thought. I get the aggravation, but the comments about "I hope you're getting a number on this guy" and such...She was dealing with a bunch of stuff (well, it seems) and doesn't needs an aggravated pilot bitching and telling her how to do her job. He wasn't the pilot in the wrong, but he certainly didn't make it any better.
My first into Boston (as a passenger) had a similar incident. I was on a scheduled flight from London on a wide bodied jet; captain was on the intercom just making the final announcement to passengers when he suddenly shouted a few expletives, cut the mic and we did a go around. Shortly after he apologised for his language but suggested everyone on the left look out the windows where we could see a Cessna taking off from the runway we were cleared to land on. In our case the pilots of our plane saw the problem before the tower were aware of it!
Jesus, I'm glad you're ok! Hope that idiot got the hammer dropped on him.
Commercial aircraft have automated collision avoidance warning systems. Thankfully they work well. Your pilot probably got an audible and visual warning of collision and took measures. Commercial pilots are amazing
@@BusArch42 TCAS is not going to help you in case of a runway incursion, it's designed to avoid mid-air collisions...
@@JohanBosClips if the Cessna was taking off then it was in the air. Ergo airborne collision warning
@@BusArch42 Yeah, but if the Cessna was airborne, the other aircraft would have landed. Tcas is not designed to detect this particular scenario.
I don't know if this is included in the regulations, but when you know you are having problems with your radio you shouldn't be allowed to fly the aircraft. The Ground confirmed the guy was known for having troubles with the radio. Risking the lives of others just because you can't be bothered to fix your radio... Unbelievable indeed.
There are light signals from the tower that can be directed at aircraft without radios or with radio issues. My grandfather’s 182 had two radios installed but he carried a handheld backup just in case.
@@danwilson9530you can also call with a phone too
You punch in 7600 for the ident to indicate radio issues. It wasn’t the radio…
It is in the regulations. You're not allowed to fly in Class D airspace (which Palo Alto is) without radio. Specifically if you haven't established two-way communication. This pilot didn't even receive clearance to take off. Very clear pilot deviation here.
@@danwilson9530 That's in emergency, radio-failure situations. That's when light guns are used. This is a Class D airport, so you're not allowed to fly without two-way communication.
He heard and read back everything except "taxi to and hold short of rnwy 31" and did not respobd until airborn. And two read backs while departing the airspace. Re watch the video.
It was selectively intermittent radio operation apparently.
Yeah even if he heard taxi to..... rnwy 31 it doesn't mean he's clear to takeoff. Pretty sure he just felt like doing whatever he wanted to do.
He didn't read back anything. He just said what he was doing. He didn't even name the airport, as you would in untowered airports.
@@AdrianColley Of course he did on several occassions..
He didn't read back anything prior to taking off, he only stated his position and intentions.
What kind of radio trouble makes it so you hear a nonexistent takeoff clearance?
You can hear those now with the Jackass2100 headset.
It's not my intention to speculate on the incident Perhaps, as a result of him not realising that he had the volume turned down he assumed that the airport was uncontrolled and he just needed to state his intentions as if it was a unicom frequency
@@SwissAvgeek But he received and readback directions for taxi, except that last 1 to hold short. Why would he assume, that the airport was uncontrolled, when he needed taxi clearances? And why would he turn down the volume on the radio in the middle of getting taxi clearances? That just doesnt make sense. Plus, he also didnt state any intentions to take off, he just did it. Edit: Listening to it again. Yeah, that first taxi bit wasnt a readback after all, it was him stating his intentions for taxi. So he might actually have believed, he was at an uncontrolled airport. Thats still unacceptable tho, he is responsible for knowing, what kind of airport hes in. And Im still iffy about him actually believing, the airport was uncontrolled, he had no problems talking to the tower after takeoff - the tower being identified as that airport.
@@dfuher968 If he was stating his intentions he was not listening to replies. The tower recognized and gave him specific instructions. Either he was hearing absolutely nothing until after he took off, or he intentionally ignored the instructions. In any case, I wonder if he even paused to look for airplanes on final before lining up. If he thought it was uncontrolled he should have been looking and ideally would have seen the approaching aircraft. If he didn't think it was uncontrolled then he has no business entering the runway without explicitly hearing the appropriate instructions.
Obviously, this guy was clueless. So the question is: "If he can blunder into the air with this kind of mindlessness, what else can he do?"
Because he flies a plane that flies itself.
@@mgoblue0970 Yep, some of them do. The one I have has the standard 6 pack and a single VOR.
> So the question is: "If he can blunder into the air with this kind of mindlessness, what else can he do?" Run for Congress? 😆
Having radio trouble, so I'll just do what works best for me.🤣
Way back 1983, the day after I earned my private pilot certificate, I took my room mate up. While on final, another pilot, who had taken her checkride the same day, asked to take the active, the tower said the same "hold short landing traffic". I assume she had not heard that phrase before, I saw her airplane move forward and kinda bounce as she hit the breaks with the thought 'what did they just say?' and then, instead of confirming, simply pulled onto the runway in front of me. I was maybe 300 feet AGL. Had to do the circle to the right just like the hero of the story above.
OMG as someone who is familiar with the area (on the ground) and its MANY active airports, having a loose cannon in the air is insane.
As someone who lives in the area, every couple years there's a drunk Cessna pilot that gets intercepted when they breach a TFR zone.
I was inbound to PAO from KGO towers when I heard this go down on the radio and they put me in a hold over there. It was my first time hearing such negligent behavior at PAO, I was really surprised!
Controlled airport………..DON’T EVEN SNEEZE WITHOUT A CLEARANCE let alone enter an active runway and take off!
I am the pilot of 660PS, I own multiple airplanes, I have a family name similar to the one of the Big Guy, and I will sneeze everywhere I want
@@gregmarchegiani6656 *former pilot. Fixed that for you...
@@gregmarchegiani6656 Lol. I wonder what you have up your nose that makes you sneeze so much... ;]
@@gregmarchegiani6656 That's a lie. A quick Google search shows that 660PS is a rental plane. Lazy troll. Try harder.
@@afdgxzghzgfhgfzhazghzdfhxf ahahahaha!
I'm only just a pilot in training, but this absolutely baffles me. If there are any abnormal issues with any of the equipment onboard I wouldn't even make it past my run-up, and just tell myself I'm not flying today and talk to the training center about the issues.
3:06 he answered pretty quick there. At 3:33 I think he realize he messed up and at 3:50 is using his "radio problems" excuse.
Yes! There are several videos with the same guy in a Diamond. He always uses the same excuse.
@@paulmartineau7999 If so, then I'd say, its time to clip his licence.
@@paulmartineau7999 I don't want to be "that guy" but do you have a link to another video of him doing this same thing? Not that I don't believe you, its just it would give considerable weight to the entire discussion.
The pilot probably had the volume on his radio all the way down and assumed the field was uncontrolled. He never asked for clearance to taxi or takeoff, he just announced he would like it was CTAF. Once he got airborne he probably turned the volume of his radio up
Its still his responsibility to know, what kind of airport hes in, and what kind of airspace hes in.
@@dfuher968 yeah, I'm not excusing his actions, just explaining what most likely happened
It does sound like that with his initially radio calls, but he still took the runway causing the Cirrus to have to execute a go-around. Even if he thought the airport was currently non-towered, he apparently also didn't check the approach path to the runway before entering and starting his takeoff run.
I gotta give it to that controller. Even when finally getting ahold of 660ps, she made sure everyone was clear and a safe path including 0ps before giving him shit.
This is a great way to get promoted to passenger for life.
Then again, a guy with such disregard for the rules would probably not quit flying, just coz he doesnt have a licence anymore.
I’ve had bad dreams where I accidentally take off with no clearance bc I forgot to turn the radio on or something… but I always laugh when I wake up bc it seems so preposterous 😂
I wish I could be a fly on the wall listening to his conversation with the FAA.
Seemed like the aviation equivalent of crumpling a bag of chips near the phone and saying you have a bad connection.
The guy on the ground seemed even more mad about the deviation than the woman did but she definitely hit him with the pilot deviation instead of possible deviation
He sounds like someone who normally flies from uncontrolled strips and forgot that he's in a controlled airport. And unfortunately for him, his radio volume was way down or something like that. He just calls "taking off", that's normal for uncontrolled strips, just as it's normal to hear nothing in response (assuming his radio volume was off or something). A grave mistake no doubt, he's going to remember this one.
This airplane frequents that airport so he should have been aware. I wonder if he misinterpreted the tower operation times as zulu instead of local? (and also forgot to turn his volume up)
Isn't the pilot also supposed to name the airport in their transmissions if there is no tower? This pilot failed to do that several times.
@@kyleweisel7411 The airplane is apparently a rental so its previous whereabouts doesn't actually say anything about the pilot
Failing so hard to check up on the airport, hes taking off from, to the point, where hes unaware, that its a controlled airport, is almost, if not fully, as bad as taking off without clearance. And according to various posts from locals in the comments, this guy is well known there for violations and always with the "radio problems" excuse. If so, thats 2 exacerbating factors: repeat offender, AND well known in the area, meaning he should be fully aware of the kind of airport, hes in.
@@dfuher968 I'm not a pilot, but It's disappointing that any pilot would ever be given enough chances to become "well known" for anything unsafe or unprofessional.
Here's a bit of local color for some more perspective. KPAO is halfway between SJC to the south and SFO to the North. Yes, it's inside one of SFO's approach corridors. It's the small airport for Silicon Valley. The amphitheater the tower mentioned is right next to Google's main campus. Meta, formerly Facebook is 5 miles to the north. A lot of the planes there are owned by tech millionaires.
The terror in his voice when he finally hears Tower in his headset and realized the field wasn’t operating as class G.
In 660PS? There wasn't anything going through his head, just one of those monkeys smashing two cymbals together.
Exactly. But, as usual, there’s more to the story. Even in Golf you check the runway before entering it and don’t enter it if you see traffic on final. Just like in Harrison Ford’s case. It’s understandable he confused a taxiway with a runway (the taxiway there looks more runway than the actual runway there :), but you DON’T land if you see an airliner sitting on it, runway or not :)
Yeah, one thing I remember from flight school. When approaching hold short you will receive one of three instructions: 1. Hold Short 2. Position and Hold 3. Cleared for takeoff. Not really difficult
Potion and Hold is no longer the instruction. It's now "line up and wait"
@@toneale I had heard that in another video and was wondering. I earned my Navy Wings in 86, I’m sure a lot has changed
It turned out to be unwise to use the same word ("hold") to mean both "enter the runway" and "don't enter the runway"; so it was changed.
My very first solo landing turned into a go around, I was at about 300 AGL on final when another student pilot pulled onto the runway.
At least there were no accidents that occurred. It was nice that ground was so willing to help the wronged pilot pursue further action, because that could have killed someone!
FYI at 6:33 the part you missed was "Brasher". It's the name of the "notice of a possible pilot deviation" warning that ATC issues.
I would really like to hear what ramifications would this type of deviation entail. That's just a grossly dangerous maneuver and 29J was very cordial with ground while being acceptably upset about the situation.
Every time some joker does something blatantly stupid and dangerous, the old "radio trouble" excuse gets used. I call bullsh*t!
Tower: “Hold short 31” Pilot: “ Roger, clear for take off”
I love the respecting pilots’ “unbelievable” comment I would be equally pissed
The airmanship in g.a. today is beyond irrehensible. The fact this took place out of Palo Alto is not surprising
I think you made three different words into one new word.
@@jaylasky4313 itswhatido
@@jaylasky4313 It was inconceivably incomprehensibly reprehensible.
Regardless of Radio Trouble… The fact the pilot of 660PS wasn’t given take-off clearance to begin with is just clearly asking to get in serious trouble… glad no one was hurt. If I’m not cleared to take-off, I’m not going. Not worth the risk for my life and someone else’s let alone my career. Great Job ATC! You guys have a difficult job and we appreciate your professionalism!
That was indeed a close call. Thank you very much for picking it up!
Palo Alto. Probably a clueless Silicon Valley tech millionaire that should stick to what he knows.
He was practicing for Oshkosh lol
During the EAA even at Oshkosh it's lucky they have plenty of FAA officials around to take care of pilot deviation.
I live just north of there. I like to listen to frequency just for fun sometimes.
It was sarcasm......listening to the arrivals Def helped me when I flew Into there. Famous FISK arrival is always fun.
@@riserburn1 Rock your wings.
This happened to me on my first solo flight back in the '70s. My instructor had gotten out of the airplane and told me to go around the pattern once, land, and taxi over to the hangers. As I was on very short final, a Cessna 310 entered the upwind end of the runway and proceeded to roll for takeoff. I did a hard left and exited the pattern until it was clear and I could re-enter and land. When I stopped near my instructor he was absolutely livid. Turned out the guy in the 310 had had his license revoked for similar stunts but continued to fly anyway (he owned the plane). He even had one of his young children on board that day. After we parked the aircraft, my instructor made a beeline for a phone and called the FAA.
"hold short of runway, incoming traffic on final" "Roger, lining up and taking off""
660PS made a ton of mistakes. It's a towered airport and he did a takeoff without a clearance. That alone shows negligence and lack of situational awareness. So many pilots out there with lack of training and awareness.
I've never followed a detective story as closely as I was these two planes against the airport and the area map! For someone who is 3D-challenged, it certainly makes a lot more sense this way, than all those dots on airtraffic control monitors, where I normally go like, "What? Huh? Where's the plane you're talking about?" etc. :))
If you look up the tenerife accident, you can see how devastating taking off without clearance can really be
I was in high school when that happened. Horrible. I've read up on it, and bottom line was, the really, really experienced pilot was tired of waiting and just took off.
I dont like to make assumptions of malice when it can be simply incompetence but that really sounded like the guy faked a fault to get up in the air when he didn't like a hold short instruction. All of us pilots know you never enter a runway without clearance at a controlled aerodrome, this is not an understandable mistake.
I think what happened here is 660PS was broadcasting on Tower Frequency but wasn't listening on Tower frequency. 100% he had radios set up incorrectly and was likely under the impression that the field wasn't Tower Controlled at the time of his departure. Somewhere after departure he realized the screw up and started listening to the Tower Freq.
How someone in an airstrip without knowing it's controlled or not? That doesnt' make any sense. It also doesn't explain the "phantom clearence".
That makes no sense if he did...the Cirrus was #3, it was busy. He just thinks every plane he sees happens to not be broadcasting and PAO tower just happens to be closed in the daytime which it almost never ever is. I mean you'd think at the VERY least, a pilot knows if the airport has a tower or not, and if it does and it isn't the middle of the night, assumes it is most likely open. I bet he didn't check for TFRs either lol
Not buying it.
"there is a hot air balloon doing 400 knots..........and now its going vertical?!"
that diamond was actually air force one
Palo Alto airport is heavy on students and low time pilots (I'm kinda low time myself TBH, but I make damned sure to be a good boy). I do see things like this more often than really should happen, even given those circumstances. Anyone flying into this area, if you have a choice, Reid-Hillview (KRHV) is better run and has two parallel runways. RHV is my home by choice.
Radio trouble???? This guy watched too many war movies with pilots ignoring orders due to "radio trouble".
That radio trouble sure cleared up real quickly.... And that, my friends, is how deadly accidents happen..
Hats off the ATC she was on top of this mess all the way. Great job.
Broke cardinal rule #1 and was unapologetic. I'm gonna see if I can find more info cause this needs to be a permanent license revocation EDIT: According to flightaware, he's continued to fly as normal since this incident. What the hell
N660PS is a rental plane. Only they know who was flying that flight.
@@martingreen7737 Ah, makes sense
Looking at flight tracker, N660PS has flown out of this field quite a few times. No excuse for him.
you pervert.
I'm told it's a club aircraft.
That happened to me once. I was on final about 200 feet out at an uncontrolled field. Some idiot was doing an engine run up short of the active and pulled out on the runway right in front of me. I had to go around and made the announcement on the Unicom frequency. At least he apologized.
As someone who has used a toy radio, I can confirm that when the radio doesn't work, you can some times recieve take off clearances that were never given.
If no experience of going around because of a traffic conflict in the air or on the runway then you don't do a lot of flying to a lot of airports. They do happen because of plane operators and controller issues such as aborted takeoffs, traffic separation deficiency, runway incursion, etc.
Or having a cat cat on the runway.
@@kimskislalom My last go around was a coyote.
While flying a C-150 at an uncontrolled airport several decades ago, an AT-6 and I found ourselves on short final on opposite ends of a 3,000 ft. runway at about 100 ft altitude. We saw each other at about the same time. After a quick wing-wiggle, each of us moved to the right a bit and continued down the runway. We passed each other at mid field to the great delight of the people on the ground. Not a big deal. We laughed about it.
Just a few days ago, this exact scenario played out, and the aircraft (with 2 aboard) took off without clearance, and slammed into a landing aircraft as it was attempting a go around, causing the aircraft taking off to crash, and both aboard died. Thankfully, the landing plane was able to land even with damage to his landing gear.
ha! rekt!
Date, airfield, and tail numbers?
@@baltakatei Google "Caboolture Airfield crash". That will give you the story.
That pilot regardless of radio issues was never given a clearance to take off so he should NEVER have entered the runway for any reason. He should be fined or have to accept some retraining. On another day several people could have been killed.
I have flown hundreds of hours at KAPO. VFR and IFR. I've even had to declare an emergency after a departure due to engine failure. I have also been sequenced in as #17 to land and saw the wrong airplane (I was told to follow a Red and White Cessna, which I did... but there was more than one) so I turned base/final early and was sent around. The airport can get VERY busy. Obviously the fault was on the pilot departing. You always read back your clearances before committing for this very reason.
The pilot wasn’t having any radio problems,he was having English and aviation proficiency problems- period
Thank goodness the Cirrus pilot was experienced and professional. If he'd been nervous or inexperienced this could have gone a lot worse.
The Cirrus was certainly 100% in the right here. However, I actually found how much he whined about it on frequency slightly unprofessional. Getting cut off on final is a big deal, but in this this situation it really wasn't THAT big of a deal. It happens often enough in GA at untowered fields. Take your go-around, side-step the runway, come back in to land and maybe ask tower for a number on the ground if you really have nothing better to do instead of letting it distract you during one of the most critical phases of flight. That's what I would have done. It's almost as if he believes he's never made a mistake flying before.
@@kyleweisel7411 I am surprised more people haven't noted how aggressive(and whiny) he was with ATC. Agreed it sucked it happened, but he was given the go round call early and they worked to keep his separation. Let them handle the repercussions, you fly your plane.
@@jaylasky4313he was a bit dramatic, like saying the other guy "took off underneath him". He's still like a mile out, saying it like that makes it sound like something out of the movies. Obviously the other guy was 100% in the wrong and this guy was right to be pissed, but that was not the time or place. Much credit to ATC though; she recognized that the hold short instruction was not read back right away and was proactive and professional throughout. I like how she had a bit of urgency in her voice when she repeated the instruction to hold short, but stopped short of being unprofessional.
Pilot must ascertain that runway and final is clear even once given clearance to take the runway. He's gonna get in a lot of trouble. Very poor airmenship
When he started taxing I was like in my head "Bro respond to tower.."
1:13 When you hear he said lining up and taking off, you know that he just didn't want to read back and just wanted to take "priority".
Not a pilot, so please excuse what might be a dumb question. I googled the tail number to see if there was an article about this, and I wandered onto flightaware, and it seems that this plane (different pilot?) is still flying, including today July 27... This certainly appears to be a serious violation, , in general, what kind of penalty would a violation of this type result in, and how quickly are such penalties applied?
As I type this, right now, N660PS is in the air doing touch-and-goes at this same airport, but with a different pilot. It looks like this is a rental or training aircraft. As for the incident pilot, there will be an investigation before anything happens. He could get off with a warning or have his license temporarily suspended. If he has a history, there could be more severe consequences.
If it's a rental, the owner won't stop others from using it. The incident pilot will probably never be welcome there again though.
@@j_taylor N660PS is owned by an LLC that owns two other DA40s, rental sounds likely enough
My CFI sent me this video. It’s my home airport and it is a rental from a very good aviation club. They have more than 50 planes at KPAO, including a few diamonds. KPAO can get very busy when you get 7 planes in the pattern. Usually the military won’t allow you to fly over their space. Still, my money is that the new-ish pilot forgot rather his training and then thought of the radio.
Pilot here: It clearly seems to me that the deviator's radio speaker / headset audio initially was on mute and he wasn't aware of that. It can happen - but it is important how you react and how you find out what's up with your radio (wrong dialled frequency and mute the most common errors). I for one had radio on mute unintentionally on some occasion but could avoid unsafe situations like this one: You need to instinctively check if you do not hear anything when expecting an answer, and don't forget that volume dial. He was on the correct frequency, since his own transmissions could be read just fine (as per the video above) - even "five": best quality loud and claar when taxiing on the ground. I am making an "educated guess" here: To find a reason, not an excuse what happened. He was not reckless but confused and broke important rules .... and of course his action was still a pilot deviation and unsafe and for which he very likely got busted afterwords. So here goes ... Some airports are not controlled airports 24/7 but have some off-hours in the day when the tower is not manned. Quite a few airports do actually. But it has to be said that the tower operating times are written down and should be part of pre-flight (self-) briefing. I believe the pilot had his radio audio on mute, transmitted while taxiing, heard no response and *assumed* the tower was unmanned at that time and that he could take off by own management after a radio transmission, which he did.... except you cannot just *assume* an airport tower is unmanned. So, I see no action by "pilot ego" but do see pilot confusion and error. That's when the actual authority, the Flight Standards District Office, can order a pilot competency check: a de-facto mandatory special checkride. I believe it is called the "709 ride", which you must pass or else you lose your pilots license. This is only ever triggered by a pilot deviation. But in this case, with another pilot pressing charges and this incident even published on the internet I would bet that this is what has been happening.
Calls for taxi instructions but doesn't hear taxi and hold-short instructions. Flight ends here. If Tower is aware of your radio's squawks, "my radio is busted" isn't gonna fly.
I had this type of incident happen to me at KLCI (Laconia Municipal Airport, NH) a number of years ago. Laconia is a non-towered airport. I was on about a 1/2 mile final for Runway 8 in a Cessna 172 and I had seen a Cessna taxing up to the hold short line. However, I noticed he kept going and stopped right on the runway threshold, just shy of the numbers. Not once did I hear them make any radio calls. I executed my Go Around procedure, then made the call on the radio in kind, then the pilot in the other aircraft says (Not lying) ..."Oh, you can land over me." WHAT??!!! Who does that???! .... In regards to this video, if the pilot in the Diamond Star was having trouble with his radio, then there's no excuse for them to take off without clearance. If he wasn't given a clearance or if he didn't hear one, he simply should NOT have taken off!! It's that simple. There's simply no excuse. .... This is my first time on this channel. I love what I see. Excellent work. Loving the visualizations with the ATC audio. Keep up the good work!
i think someone have just lose his licence
Looking at the Diamond's flight history online, looks like he's probably some arrogant executive type who thinks the world revolves around him. I hope the FAA took him down a few pegs at least, since they clearly didn't suspend his license (last flight was 27 July).
I was a private pilot in the early 1990's and one time when I was cleared to land my rented Piper Cherokee Warrior II at Reid Hillview airport in Silicone Valley, a Chinese pilot in a Cessna was to told to hold short of the runway but started to taxi on the runway instead, I noticed it when I was approaching the runway, put full power and told the tower I was aborting the landing due to the plane on the runway and requested for a go-around. The tower chewed the other pilot out for not holding short. There was a Chinese pilot school at that airport.
660PS will almost certainly get a 90-day suspension at a minimum, not to mention mandatory remedial training. This video would bolster 21J in his action against the offending pilot.
I don't know about aviation; can you explain what kind of action 21J can take against 660PS?
It sounded like English was not his first language. My German friend told me that was why he didn’t complete his training in the U.S. He said it got to be a bit much in the cockpit.
I found out who the pilot is - he's not originally from the US.
@@danurson4880getting to be a real problem in many airport environments from my flying experience
@@arthurbrumagem3844 Them dam migrants takin our jawbz n airspaec!
@@neglectfulsausage7689 sorry but speaking English in US airspace is all about safety. The issue of jobs never came up.
Radio had vodka infusion problems.
I was kind of bummed that the tower didn’t at least tell the guy he took off without a clearance. I love the “oh, I’m having problems with my radio” claim. Lol.
I have no idea how much work it would be for a video like this, but when they are talking about seeing and following other traffic besides the 2 aircraft directly involved in the incident it would be cool to have those aircraft on the map as well.
It's amazing (or maybe not) how many deviations have strong non-English accents.
There are a LOT of software engineers with discretionary spending that fly. KPAO is located between Google and Facebook campuses.
The accent told all I needed to know.
Reminds me of all of the “me first” young road drivers. Now it’s happening in the air? Wow, just wow!
What part of "HOLD SHORT" did he fail to understand? Also, does he not know what the piano keys mean? I'm not a pilot, but I've learned enough just watching some of these videos, that at a controlled airport you do not enter the runway until you here the magic words from the tower controller, clear for take off, , then you read back what the controller said and start rolling down the runway. I'm not sure he actually had radio trouble. I think he just thought he would do his own thing.
Oh hey that’s mountain view. Don’t see that on here very often. I used to bike by their airfield on my commute every day
And right down the way at Moffett Field is NASA Ames... Where they do a bunch of human factors research and air traffic management development. I think CRM came from there.
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@@cyul cool man, thank you.