WoW's Subscription Numbers For The Past 10 Years Were Revealed - MadSeasonShow Reacts
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I wanna see my sub and unsub chart along with the ridiculous responses i gave for each unsub
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I feel this way to much. #firebobby
So true I always just put Bill Cosby every time
Mines been "fuck death knights" since wotlk. Was rough being a warrior main.
@@DisgustedAsmonHow much fentanyl and meth are you speedballing?
WoD was super hype because it was the 10th Anniversary of WoW, and also the lore was marketed a throwback to the Warcraft era, as we would see all these Old Horde orcs like Grommash and Black Hand in their prime.
The idea of player housing "garrisons" was also pretty hype for a lot of people.
WoD had so much potential but the gutted the hell out of it and left out 90% of what they said they were gonna do
Yeah wod made me come back when i took a break from the end of cata. It was fun for a while and leveling was fun however once i reached level cap i was just so bored after doing my raid
@@Euruk1 just for them to release the single most shitty version of player housing ever unleashed on mankind
Yeah, I remember I skipped MoP but after WiD announcement I got hyped af, bought MoP right there and then to start catching up for WoD. Unfortunately WoD was nothing like what I expected.
Azerite armor was such an awful system, my god, coming from Legion to BFA was absolutely terrible, especially losing so many abilities at level cap.
I skipped WoD and Legion to play Destiny and returned for BfA. I liked it. Played it through. Then went back and played Legion and ... was blown away.
I remember jumping off of High mountain with my Shaman and they took away my mobility ability so I didn’t break my fall. I just logged out and played league lol.
Omg absolutely this, in all honesty, Legion for me was the last expansion that felt really innovative, like it breathed some fresh life into WoW. I am not 12 years old like i was when i was when i started playing in TBC, but i was just as excited as i was back then to go home and boot up WoW. My problem with the following expansions is that they all felt like scuffed versions of Legion especially BFA. I don't know what the problem is, but it feels like Blizzard is so afraid of pulling another WoD, that nowadays they're constantly trying to reinvent Legion instead of making an expansion that has the same impact that Legion once did. They just feel so formulaic that i'm sort of tired of it by now.
@@torum6448 >but it feels like Blizzard is so afraid of pulling another WoD And ironically they ended up following in WoD's footsteps and not Legions
Still better than Legion with its awful Artifact weapons. They ruined the class fantasy of my main and I will never forgive them for that.. BFA was an upgrade in every way for me. Actually, my biggest criticism for TWW is that they repeat the same mistake with the new talents trees.
33:33 as a Starcraft fan, yes it's pretty depressing. But whenever I play SC, it always reminds me of old Blizzard, when they used to have a soul and used to care about their community and games.
in a way it's better... We will always have the great SC1 and 2 games, they will still be fun in 2040.... When activi$ion makes a SC3 it will probably suck anyway
Yes, what a feeling playin it back in the day
@@Blackadder75 Unless they reforge them. Then RIP.
“It do go down”
it dont go down
ultimately it trends down
@@semiramisubw4864 Robert! it do go down!
I miss important videos
@@u-mos8820 no it dont
holy shit, 7.25 million subs for a 20 year old game is really good.
And keep in mind whenever they add anything in the shop even if only .1% buys it thats still thousands of sales for less work than i do in a week
With 3/4 of them being Classic.
@@nopenope460 nope :)
@@nopenope460I'd say closer to half, after all, doubling sub numbers means classic and retail are each half of the total.
That's worse than what I was expecting so that's good
I have this cartoon image in my mind of WoW loot through the expansions. Vanilla - 40 people crowded in awe at 2 pieces of loot. TBC - 25 looking at 2/3 items. WotLK - 10 looking at 3 items. etc... BFA - 1 person looking a mountain of loot and throwing most of it in the trash.
WotLK was the sweet spot. 10man raids didnt have access to the top of the line loot, you had to go to 25man and hope you get lucky.
I literally just found the "Restored" version of Stickerbrush Symphony this week and have been listening to it in FLAC almost every day, and you brought it into your video too. So damn good! Love ya, SNES gang
I love the etiquette for react content: If there's an ad read you leave it unbroken; you always leave links to the creators in the description/caption. Very classy.
The good ones almost always feel like a research paper. Very heavy citation, I think that's a very good thing.
Your voice isn’t boring, it’s restful
Yes, he needs to make a wow lore video for three hours long.
It's not restful, it's creepy
@@LimeGuy101 maybe if he said creepy things
It’s pretty fucking boring
I think he just sounds like ur usual wow nerd
When they announced BFA I was genuinely excited because I thought it was gonna be a legit back down to earth and MAYBE a Faction vs Faction expansion, then we got what we got and was very disappointed, the allied races were cool I guess
Imo it was vibing until we got mandatory (to stay viable) visions and the cheaped out Nyalotha raid they didnt even draw walls for. 🙈
@@-in-the-meantime... if you played horde it wasnt. they promised us morally grey but they made our like fifth warcheif act like an over the top cartoon villian that had no brains. im not saying slyvannas wasnt evil (if you played classic as undead you always were morally sketch) but they made her incredibly dumb.
That's how I felt as well.
bfa wasn't horrible but it was like a cut down legion still better than cata and wod but clearly worse than the last one
@@phgamer4393 played horde for 16 years now... Sylvy isnt my cup of tea... /cast War Stomp
When we getting a Donkey Kong country madseason video? You're rocking that David Wise soundtrack in multiple videos now, it's due
I second this!
34:34 oddly enough, all the data suggests the more money triple A companies make, the less they pay towards employees, because of cutting jobs and what have you
This format suits you well. Your voice and knowledge makes the reaction far more interesting. I'm glad we were able to take a look at these numbers. These last few months have been really hopeful and have led the game in a great direction I haven't seen in almost a decade. The lore was great and well-paced this expansion, with some great individual questlines. I don't particularly care for the Dracthyr or their place in the lore, but concepts like catching up with the flights and several lead characters passing the torch to the next generation were executed really well. I'm very happy with the communication nowadays. Even if War Within isn't great, it's very refreshing to know where blizz's head is at.
I had a sub from 2007 until about half way through MoP. I hopped between retail and private servers from the Cata release until I switched full time over to private servers when I ended my retail sub. I skipped WoD, played one month in Legion, and haven't played any expansions since then. I did resubscribe for almost a year to play classic.
You should definitely keep doing reacts. You do a great job balancing letting the video play and when you pause for comments, and your input is well put and adds good opinions/thoughts to the overall takeaway. Thanks for the vid!
Thanks, I'm sure I'll improve over time. I also want to take a more structured approach, and fill in the pauses with a little editing, kind of a mix of a react and structure I guess
@@madseasonshowfor as hateable as react meta shit is, yours is quite palatable. It may be worth a bit of shortening to fit more in the 20 min timeframe and to give folks a reason to go back to the source material to see the whole thing. Just my 2C. I really 8.5/10 😂
He understend that is easier money just reacting than making a 1hour video about something else... sad
Thank you MadSeason. For years of content. ❤
Thanks for watching for so long
The relaxing music over the top of it haha
"Stickerbrush Symphony" for anyone looking for it.
Final fantasy 10 song
i am a dev, and these past few years it seems the entire industry has just been absolutely infected with people who think they know everything, nobody is as good as them, etc. it's gross.
Dev here as well. Great point, some people have enough knowledge to come across as an expert but fail to recognize that is why you hire smarter people in various roles to build and bring new perspectives. Seems like gatekeeping is going strong. Failure by design.
You mean like every industry ever?
So you havent been a Dev for long and never in the gaming industry.......this has been the NORM for the last 40 years.
@@Kamgraphica You mean the same NEW PEOPLE that helped a game go from 13 MILLION PLAYERS to less than a million?? By DUMBING DOWN the content and having Devs who have NEVER PLAYED THE GAME creating content and OUTSOURCING most of it?
@@alericc1889 I agree with you @flal and @Dirkus comment above that its an issue in all industries, web / app and software dev. I'm a dev but not in the game industry. I've been a WoW player since 2004, played all the expansions and seeing new "content" systems as the best thing since slice bread which to me fail, look at the BFA Azerite system or Choreghast in SL. When a game feels like a chore that to me is out of touch. SOD feels pretty good right now as its a flavor of WoW Classic. I think the idea of dumbing down content is their way to lowering the barrier to entry which isolates the other player base who want harder content.
Yoooo Madseason. I loved this video! Awesome job. I didn't mind the pausing because you gave your two cents and added to it! Thanks again!
34:57 as a big starcraft 2 fan this one hits hard 🥲
I personally think that the huge success of WoW was based on the continued world building of "Warcraft 1-3". The more "alien" stuff they added and the further they got away from the core concept, the less people want to play it. In TBC there is Illidan, in Wotlk there is Arthas in MoP there's.... pandas and monks? On another side note, a lot of the expansions degraded the quality of the game and discontinued successful concepts from past games/expansions. This is something I think they have done consciously, as they focused more on trying to create an addiction (to keep people subbed) than to create a good game. One interesting example to show how they fail in doing this even today, is Season of Discovery phase 3. In phase 1 and 2, you could raid at least twice a week with 10 man raids and the bosses would drop around 2 items each. In phase 3, they made it so that you can only raid once a week and in order to compensate for this, each boss now drops around 4 items each... so far so good. However, they also doubled the size of the raid to 20 man - what this means is that they actually cut the amount of loot you can get from raids per week in half, despite officially promoting it as an increase of loot. The raid loot in phase 3 is barely an upgrade to the raid loot from p2 as well, making it feel even more discouraging. I do think that the way to go would be a "classic+", where you go from classic+ and add new content. I think that if SoD would continue and they add stuff like m+, new raids, better rewards, then it would most likely be my to go game for a long future.
mop was (critically) successful and involved plenty of lore from warcraft 1-3 to classic wow. the lore was good up to legion with the only bad moment being wod. then died when bfa launched
@@Ty-oe4drperhaps, but pandas just felt out of place for some reason
Yep, Classic launched around Labor Day 2019. I remember going to a festival around then and coming home to play Classic with my wife.
A Strange Phenomenon that will ALWAYS baffle me about some people... Is this belief that what's good enough for them, is good enough for Everybody Else... And that you must like, what they like! And hate what they hate! Well... Until we all get assimilated by the Borg Collective... So that we all think with ONE MIND... NOPE!!! Not... Going... To... Happen!!! 😊
It's rooted in insecurity imo. If someone's opinion doesn't line up with their own, it shouldn't illicit an emotional reaction if they're truly confident and secure with their beliefs. The only exception would be blatant misinformation, and opinions misrepresented as facts. You'll like the next video, we analyze tribalism and fanboy culture within mmos and social media as a whole. Should be live on the channel in a few days
@@madseasonshowUnderstandable but when someone doesn’t like Steak I have an emotional response. Even worse when they claim to like steak but demand it well done… the savages.
@@madseasonshow Nice One Mad! 👍🏼 Looking forward to that! 😁
Its more than that really. It's fine to like what you like, but when you huff so much copium that you're blind to the bad parts of what you like thats when it becomes a problem.
@@madseasonshow that'll be a really good one
Great choice in music. I turned 34 today and cried a lot. But man that DK music really reminded me how how happy of a kid I really was. I hope to recapture that simplicity one day.
Hahaha I’m only 33. You old bastard. How’s your eyesight OLD MAN 😂….🥲. For real tho feels like I was just 15 the other day
Hi guys, rolling comments and noticed this, turning 33 in 3 days, still playing wow since 18, living alone no kids no dogs or a wife, doing relativelly “well” no more parties, just working in my small company, doing my workouts and, year by year noticed you get alone day by day in this world, have my dad and sister living near, but really dont get excited for a new thing like in my twentys, would you like to give some world dear friend? Its a holyday here in brazil today, but i could care less..
I turn 36 next month. I feel you on the nostalgia. Damn that game was so good back in the day. It's crazy how comparably bad wow is now despite all the innovation and additional content.
Don't be upset, they made a whole Rule in your honor! Just Google Rule 34!
@@safersephiroth943 it was a total new experience back then, people started getting broadband internet acces and pc gaming took off and MMO-games we're taking off big time. It was a perfect storm and I was totally blown away playing with all those other people. The gamers were not as toxic back then as they are now. Epic loot realy meant something and was considerd a accomplishment.
24:59 “as boring as my voice” 😂
lol i resonated with this not because of how boring his voice was, but because of how boring the loot was. but yes, his voice is so boring, in a serene way
@@landonian1223 I actually really enjoy listening to people with monotone voices
the wall of no, rose-colored goggles crowd were the biggest clowns ever
I mean they were right. Just look at Season of Discovery it is the only think keep classic alive.
season of clowns
I've no real stake on this horse, though when my friend who plays it, explained it I went: That sounds stupid. @@electricwizard5747
A lot of wow players absolutely hate when you suggest something they aren't interested in. Not that they think it would be bad for the game, just that they don't want it.
@@warllockmasterasd9142that’s untrue. The whitemane era cluster is extremely healthy today. And then, there’s a mix between Wrath/Cata and SoD. You have the classic crowd divided into three segments, and all three have healthy communities. Try to twist it to your belief however you like, but that’s the truth Also, it’s kind of goofy to even say that. A massive community just journeyed through Classic up to Cata up until this very point in time. On top of the perpetual Classic era community.
60% of my friends have already left SoD. Our guild would be dead if it wasn't for 2 mergers we did.
I'm just waiting for level 60
Sod is toxic as hell. Who wants to play excel spredsheet the game
Can someone tell me more? This is unexpected for me, what I am reading here above.
@@Marunius Season of Discovery.
Pandorahs box is my favorite YT video of all time
the sub numbers are missing a huge factor that the china servers got shut down, i forget when. but id be surprised if they ever get close to their old sub count
i think you have to consider that during the dragonflight "peak" there are still classic people quiting because of how they handled tbc classic(store mount, wow token, no botthandling etc.) who arerent interested in retail at all. So take that in to consoderation and the upwardstrend and peek for dragonflight looks almost the same as for shadowlands imo.
Big ups for including the original creators sponsor
Don't support that behavior. It's not a good thing.
@@zoldlen883 why?
@@JarleFlaat I don't like ad's. No one does as far as I know.
@@zoldlen883 And I don't like paying premium prices to watch youtube videos, but I'd rather the video have an ad (that I don't even have to watch, I can just skip it) so I can watch it for free.
MadSeason really blessing us this week 🙌
Looking to post videos every 3ish days ideally. Thanks for watching
Legion was really good and made me try out different classes and playing their storyline wich I found really interesting.
Your passion surrounding WoW was a big part of the spark that got me back into the game, roping my fiance in with me along the way. We've been playing mostly modern WoW since legion, I will say on the gearing point that DF has been a huge step up. There's a long list of weapons with fairly unique effects starting with Fyr'alath and Nasz'uro but also extending to non-legendaries like Kharnalex for evokers and Neltharax for hunters. There's even a cloak with no stamina that steals stats from allies when they take damage (Voice of the Silent Star). So on the gearing point I think Dragonflight has massively improved. It's a tricky balancing act: in a modern, somewhat competitive game having iconic gear can be a struggle. You bring a measured perspective as always, @MadSeasonShow. Missed your videos when you were on break.
the "i will never serve " line never ceases to amaze me how people thought that was a good line to introduce. that and the fact azeroth "forgives" her thinking she was controlled by the jailor. peak writing
And tyrande not being able to kill her and then going for peace Get the fuck out of here, this is fucking WARCRAFT for god's sake.
@@crysosisback7115Peacecraft
@@crysosisback7115 Tyrande also sentenced Sylvanas to bring every single night elf soul up from the Maw alone. The souls that are going through immense torture in literal hell. She's condemned the souls of her own innocent people to suffer for what could be many centuries just for the sake of punishing Sylvanas by giving her a boring job. At no point was it implied that only Sylvanas can do it, it's 100% Tyrande's decision that she is to do it completely unaided.
You're so right about boring loot. It felt like they wanted to flatten everything and cram it into a spreadsheet so they could tweak and balance percentages at their convenience. WoW a 3d spreadsheet
to be fair, after so many years and thousands of epic items it's almost impossible to come up with new original meaningful names and lore hooks... Try design 100 different epic Two Handed Axes.... I think they ran out of ideas as early as WotLK .. and then you have to design 500 uncommon and rare ones....
Exactly.
Well u can blame the Player base for that.. Even if there was no PvP to think about and balance, there is still the problem of how Raid groups are composed, meaning, if they throw balance out of the window...lets say Hunter BM becames the "best" dps class by a huge diference...than guess what, most raid groups would be 100% hunter dps BM, everyone want an "easier" time when going raid, so much so that groups demand things even outside of the game from their raid member "have you watched how X or Y group done the raid? do you know the mechanics?"...
Love the Stonefire remix playing in the background ❤
I played WoW on release as a 14 year old, stopped playing during tbc because of college and other stuff, got back into it during classic. 9:40 would like to add that your subtraction method, which was a great way to show it visually, doesn't show the full extent of subscriber decay considering the data going forward from the crop still includes some amount of baseline classic subs, crazy! 24:30 "the loot is boring" probably the #1 reason i thought wotlk classic was not at all as fun as i thought it would be based on the hype.
OMG Bellular.... Madseason has just put you on the map!!!! Gz dude!!!! xD
Bellular is bigger than Madseason.
@@XCygnusX Body shaming is so not cool m8.
@@Alan-hb2ng Damn man, you trapped him with sarcasm and killed him with a joke. Well played.
@@nauscakes1868 Ty Brother. /bow xD
I played the og WoW through Cata. Can't remember what happened that made me stop. Might have been my dad cutting the sub. Jumped back in for the transition from BFA to SL. Got through to the endgame of SL and raiding, but promptly stopped there. The endgame zones were awful, filled with horrible, super janky terrain you couldn't fly through. Upgrading your gear meant dungeons/raids, followed by hundreds of hours of farming the atrocious endgame zones. But worse than that, you could only level your gear in a season, and leveling it further was disabled once the season switched. So you had to sink those hundreds of hours in a limited time frame or be penalized for it. The tower rogue-lite gimmick locked me out of the best boosts for my class, as they were solely offered on days I had both school and work, kneecapping my ability to do dungeons and raids. The story could have been written by a 5 year-old and I still don't know what was going on because I never got to finish raids because of how heftily it handicapped people with normal lives outside of WoW. It was awful. No wonder their subs sank like a rock.
The small hump in player numbers after classic tapered off at first is when lockdowns happened and boosted player counts before shadowlands made another boost
Really enjoyed the video! Always love your content! I would love to see the chart that shows the difference in player count in each version of the game. Personally I main SOD, and it feels great. I don't log into Dragon Flight often, but it seems to be busy enough.
The fact that you said "made them loose touch with what got them there to begin with," While showing Bellular face is nothing short magical and 100% accurate!
My guy is on fire, loving the uploads
When I see this chart from Blizzard, I can't help think of similar charts from Marvel and Star Wars - ramp up, reasonably spaced out releases, lost consumer interest - and BAM - the solution is to completely flood the zone with so much stuff that it becomes a shotgun approach. "By the time they realize they don't really like it, they'll already have paid!". Something for EVERYBODY. I am not saying these aren't good products or people aren't having fun, but as a business strategy, it comes off as a bit desperate and I question the sustainability.
That's the thing, it was a desperate move because Shadowlands and the legal issues hit bliz hard. The big thing is that they now tighten their focus over time. Classic isn't gonna be forever but timed game modes (Plunder Storm and MoP Remix) are a good way offering fresh game play options without having to dedicate year and years of support. Im just glad it looks like they are going that route. Stability and good foundation into long term growth. While introducing new things from time to time. I'm here for it
I really do miss feeling part of a server community and being able to go online and always see someone to talk to and play with. I understand those days are behind me now, but what a wonderful home it was
Same. I never knew how good we had it.
Shout out to when wanting a special item meant something! Soulkeeper Robes of Arugal Voidheart Tier Set Sunfury Bow of the Pheonix Cloak of the Illidari Council Cowl of the Illidari Highlord Warglaive of Azzinoth
Choosing Donkey Kong Country music for the background is an 11/10 choice
Keep in mind, BFA launched when Classic has already been announced (several months after Classic announcement, in fact), so many players who subbed for BFA were doing so in anticipation of Classic (that was the case for me anyway). As much as BFA gameplay sucked, I loved the theme. It's a shame it ended up being such an awful expansion because Boralus was just so awesome, the music there was great too.
Dragonflight cinematic felt like they were stuffed animals fighting. No big bad, etc
Always a good day when you upload dude
It's over.... Westfall...
The better video title could’ve been “i told you so with Madseasonshow”
lol yes, and it's glorious
Each time he says "I told you so!" I fist pump the air! He took a LOT of flak when he predicted certain things about this game... That now turned out to be 100% true! So he has EVERY RIGHT to rub it in their grubby little faces until the very Heat Death of the Universe Itself! And Good for him too!
@@Nightstalker314 classic has been out since 2019, what does your comment even mean?
@@landonian1223 He's trolling Dude... So I wouldn't even bother! Just down-vote and ignore...
@@Nightstalker314 You obviously weren't paying attention when Mad spliced the graph and showed the results when he took away the rise due to Classic subs. Indeed... He's curious, as am I and many others, to see these results being separated out because they are *combined* results! So the picture is mixed! Hence why he spliced! Anyway... I'm not going to engage with this any further Dude! This argument is old... As it is tiring! You believe what you want! Bottom-line, WOW has a DIVERSE player base! Some like Classic... Some like Hardcore... Some like Retail... The End!!! And I honestly don't understand why some people see this as a problem!
I think that Dragonflight is actually doing pretty well. It didnt have massive launch day because people were too skeptical and burned by last few expansions, but later they started to realize that its not that bad and its pretty good actually. But numbers dont show it because classic had a big drop due to wrath getting stale and soon to be completed and cata coming.
The cost to make the spectral horse was less than $5,000 (probably less than $2,000 in actual employee billable hours and $3,000 for cooperate bloat) and StarCraft 2 cost to make was never released but for 7 years of development would have been very pricy, so they probably had to sell millions of copies before it broke even, verses the 330ish to recover the horse cost. Then you have to consider that the Servers to run SC2 multiplayer and to allow players to download the game also cost money to operate. So its very believable that the horse made them more money.
Stopped Retail in WoD. Picked up Classic on launch and have loved it. But now that Cata is coming my journey is over, Cata is not classic for me. Retail is not WarCraft for me, and has not been in a long time. It makes me very interested to see this chart one year from now, since I suspect many might feel the same way.
I don;t play classic at the moment, but can't people just stay on Classic or TBC? Will they (re)release a few new servers of those every year or so? That would be a no brainer for me to do, to retain the core classic player base...
Thats because you havent played retail, and hating on it because you can. Classes gets better & much more rewarding to play. Atleast im glad im not stuck in the same loop as all the negative people. Not enjoying WoW to fully eh.
There's classic era and SoD for fully classic Andy's but they probably need a fresh Classic server refresh once a year or something. Same with TBC tbh.
@@gollesenah I play DF quite a bit but classic is an entirely different game and is imo better not because of nostalgia but as it plays today. That's a preference tho and it's okay that you prefer retail. I have fun playing retail but if I had to pick one(thankfully I don't) I'd pick vanilla.
yea what were they thinking with bringing back cata this game is doomed
I'm surprised how TBC and Wrath classic were unpopular, worst than any phases of vanilla classic.
blizzard had the whole scandals in TBC. i quit shortly after. i came back before wrath just because i was bored. actually liked it but again i was away because of blizzards controversies. wrath i actually stayed by i admit i saw the beginnings of retail in wrath that i didnt notice back in the day. raiding kept me around but if you didnt raid i can see you dropping off. they didnt fix their pvp in wrath sadly.
The WoW token strikes again.
Bots, Blizzard scandals, nobody liked shadowlands, minmaxers, and you already have a ton of options to play TBC and WOTLK in private servers.
For me it was the bots in TBC. It was frustrating and disappointing.
I subbed for Classic after a long time not giving Blizzard money but I didn't like some of their choices like layering and eventually they announced TBC with level boosts, deluxe mounts, and even wow tokens (can't recall if it was tbc or wrath) so I cancelled my sub there and then.
Bobby is still thanking all of you for his yachts.
Dragonflight gear is the same formula. Main stat, Main Stat, secondary, secondary. However tier bonuses were back and played nicely with some talents. Made it somewhat interesting but also tied you to a cookie cutter build based on that. If you wanted min/max
Nothing will ever touch OG WotLK numbers.
and it's unreasonable to expect that
Holy round mound of rebound, it's Bellular Gaming! I stopped watching him like 4 years ago, what a transition.
One of my favorite channels, highly recommend
@@madseasonshow I used to routine follow his videos as they released back in BFA, something ended up putting me off from watching him and considering how finite “watch/listen” time available is for the average working and video gaming adult, sadly you have to pick a few favorites that you end up watching long term. Bellular did put out good content. Loved your Nobbel shoutout as well, used to listen to his lore videos at work nonstop. A majority of the wow content creators in this vein are really top notch. Thank you for your videos, you were always a favorite of my wife and mine.
@@AUZlEyeah he got kinda shilly for Blizz. At least it seemed that way to me.
Great video. You should do a whole video on loot. Your favorite weapons, item quests, the relationship between stats and gameplay.
you're right, in fact the covid bump was that small bump after the classic explosion
To answer your question, Dragonflight does have more interesting loot imo. I was stoked when [Ashkandur, Fall of the Brotherhood] finally dropped on my Paladin in the second raid, and I’ll probably never forget about that sword because of how cool I thought it was. The [Ouroboreal Necklet] is another highly sought after item with unique effects that I was ecstatic to finally get. There are a lot of unique effect named items in DF and I’ve loved that coming back. [Fyr’alath the Dreamrender] felt like a Classic-style grind to finally get and attune to, though I’m not sure how much that one counts in the context of what you meant by interesting gear.
There is almost no way the estimates given for that new graph are accurate. They extrapolated those numbers by assuming a single summary line in a quarterly talking about Legion's performance means that Legion at the same point had near the same subs as WoD. Except quarterly reports are purposefully vague/ambiguous for this reason because 'performance' can mean anything. It could mean revenue, avg MAUs, retention rates, or whatever metric they can find that they can put a positive spin on. That's why they stopped reporting the sub count in the first place. Also, the estimates make no sense in context to the old graph. WoD was in total free fall losing more subs than any other point in the history of wow. So somehow it magically stabilize and gained subs over the 6-8 month gap between these two graphs? I don't think so. Basically, subtract a million from all those estimates and its probably closer to the real number.
WoW Classic Era, where loot is still crazy and different and memorable!
I leveled a character to lvl 30 on retail last week, it took me about eight hours. I literally, did not meet a single person out in the open world. I queued up for battlegrounds the whole time (up to an hour each session) did not get a single battleground. Got a few dungeons, those were only about 10 minute queues. But the people in those mostly said nothing. It felt like playing a single player game. I log onto SOD and the world is filled with players.
Really loving these video reacts! Keep it up Mads! Much love! ❤
About the lore. I am not a lore guy by any means, but man the things that sets me off the most are names and transmogs that don`t fit the class. I just get red...
MadSeason + Cowboy Bebop soundtracks is a match made in asmr heaven
General rule of thumb with reaction content is to not cannibalize the algorithm, name is something you would without copying the name and of course give credit. This is also one of the better instances ive come across of pretty much anyone doing this properly. You waited long enough that B's video got it's own views. You always made sure to give as much of your own input as possible and people value that from you as they always have. Keep up the good work man, i look forward to whatever projects you have in store.
How sure can we be the numbers' representation is correct, though? We have no reference point for the Y-axis; nor if it starts at 0 or not. Some of Bellular's theory stems from an earnings call back during Legion, where they said Legion performed slightly better than WoD. But that doesn't necessarily mean there were more subscribers; it could simply mean more revenue due to more MTX. Blizzard has surely figured out how to extract more money from their customers over the years, without increasing the number of customers.
Yeah subs don't mean a whole lot when the bulk of their revenue is probably from the cash shop. Buncha clowns paying for all that garbage.
Current WoW feels even more like a single player game. And on top of that they are adding dungeons with followers. And probably after that will be raids with followers and your alts. Or a solo mode - you're the only character in the whole game (like your own layer). I can already see how they say "didn't you always wanted to go raiding with all your characters?". It's the greatest multiplayer-singleplayer game.
something i wanna add about the loot, most of it you either killed bosses till you got it, or went on epic quest chains to obtain it (thunderfury, Quel'Serrar, etc) meanwhile i'm sitting here on SoD farming warlock portals since the first weekend of phase drop and still no dagger.... when i get this i'll be happy, but i don't think i'll feel like i earned it, just toughed out the rng game that didn't even include a boss.
loot in dragonflight is still relatively the same as when you left, but with some notable raid drops like the remastered Ashkandi and Leggo axe from the latest raid.
it's respectable to let his ad play. I skip em but I understand content creators need them to live. Might as well leave it in and let the viewers choose to skip or not.
This game is going to Ebb and Flow hard until wow 2 comes out, or something that is an absolute banger.
Blizz is not capable of creating a wow 2 that would also be a banger of a game.
metzen gonna save wow
I think you had a great etiquette during the video. Pausing and expanding on a point brought up with your experiences in depth is the best way to react to a video of your not going to heavily edit the cut of the recording.
25:40 I think the loot in Dragonflight is MUCH improved over BFA and SL For example the latest Raid Amidrasill. Drops 2 2h caster staffs which have primary+2 secondary stats BUT in the same Raid you can drop Dreambinder from Nymue a staff that has an on use effect which consists of a 2 second channel that deals aoe dmg and also roots the target and slows enemys around the target by 80% Basically every class now has cool chase items in the raid. In dungeons there also drops unique loot now. In Dawn of the Infinite there is another caster Staff with on use effect that you can only use in execute range (35%) and deals extra dmg In Aberrus (the second raid of Dragonflight) the final Boss drops an extremly rare cloak which contrary to all other cloaks has no stamina but it has a passive effect: It steals secondary stats from your teammates and gives the secondarys stats to you for 8 seconds+ a bonus amount. So its a net benefit but you loose health and you fuck your teammates a bit. Its really quite interesting how they are managing gearing right now. I could go on there are much more items like this but i only play caster so i dont know them all in detail
The condescending sniffles are perfectly timed. Well played, sir.
No king rules forever…
what doesnt this video show the opposite? I mean wow is still the biggest mmo
A king can rule forever as an undead. Which is basically what WoW is now.
@@hunlepto2239 i mean its kinda not. Look im waiting as everyone for the next insane mmo, but until then
@@christsatali9139 Nope. Its FF14
@@CallMeBronko92TTV FF14 feels like it faded away after the boom in 2021, wow always gets everyone together when something new comes to it (retail or classic), and being in the top 2 is still huge.
What’s crazy is I had KZhead block suggesting Belluar anything on my algorithm and I just watched his sponsor’s ad on a video of his video. I feel icky.
I personally don't watch react content very much, so your style of pausing is totally okay in my book! I'm here to learn your perspective and opinions on the subject at hand, and you do a great job as always with conveyance of this.
Dragons just feel cheesy. Them being rare is great, but the norm... i dunno man feels like a cop out. *DRAGONS! PLAY NOW!!*
Hey buddy, I hear you like fighting dragons.... What about if you got to play a dragon?!
only cause they gave us femboy dragons. if we could be one of those giant ass wormkin and breath fire on people. people would be like yea!!!! . thats the problem with retail its corporate safe .
@@phgamer4393 This. As someone who has wanted to play as a dragon back when I bothered playing WoW, I was excited for the Drakthyr at first. After I learned they can’t transform into like, full on dragons, I lost interest. I’ve had to play as a pseudo-dragon so many times, and the Drakthyr would be cool if they just… let them be more dragon like. It sucks that the closest thing to playing a bonefied dragon is a fucking alchemy mount that costs an arm, leg, and a kidney on the auction house
@@missleiadragonitemaster7597 do ANY popular MMO's let you both play as humanoid / human-sized characters, as well as dragons, or dragon-sized creatures? (let's put aside the fact that dragons are superbly powerful in WoW and would break all immersion... why is a human warrior fighting a boss if a semi-truck sized dragon can do the job of 10 men)
@@thewhiteniinja to my immediate knowledge, unless you wish to count ‘transforming into a mount’ as a form of that, or some unfinished MMOs that double as life simulators, no. Quick addendum: I’d agree if it wasn’t for the minor detail of ‘our character wrecks dragons on a consistent basis’. Dragons are fairly common later into base Classic from my memory (heck the swamp area elves gotta death run across have a small section in the corner where you can farm dragon mobs for a minion drop). Granted that’s a bit later into the game still, but then there’s also the aspects losing their powers (supposedly) at the end of Cata. Dragons got nerfed if anything.
Vanilla was the best, tBC was fun, WotLK was fun, but quit before Cata and glad I never re-subbed to any other expansion
The 2 best years to play WoW: 2004-2005 and 2019-2020. Vanilla.
"The wall of 'No' - I don't know the reason why" Very simple - because they want to look like smart boys and to be on the winning side. Blizzard answered "No" before very definitively, so in those people's eyes they are sucking up to the winning argument by repeating it and justifying it. It's like those small loser guys in School who follow the biggest bully and suck up to him all the time. It's the same mentality. Agree with the winning argument - push down and ridicule all opposition. These are the same people who will defend multi-billion corporations for any decisions they make
Loot in Vanilla was exciting. Heck, getting your first shoulders or helmet was just so satisfying.
Despite its flaws, Dragonflight was exactly what I wanted out of WoW of being a light-hearted adventure like the Vanilla days. The new features were awesome, the vibes were perfectly on point, we have never had so much content in one expansion EVER and the Dracthyr might be one of my favorite additions to the roster of playable races. It was easily my favorite expansion to date and I've been playing since TBC and I am sorely going to miss it once it is over. I acknowledge it isn't for everyone, but it was the perfect expansion for me.
Lame ahhh
@@no0bbbb Bit sad thats the best you can do. Disrespect someone's view. Your response was poor
@@daketh4572 I know right? I'm more insulted by the lack of effort than calling me lame lol.
Maybe you'll get to experience it again with Drgonflight Classic
The game isn't WoW anymore. DF is a completely different game from WoW even 10 years ago.
16:32. Who is saying it’s about player count? It could be revenue. And this is not equal to playercount.
Props for the d2 music near the end. Did a double take cuz I've been non-stop d2r for the past couple months. o7
You take reactions to the next level! Love the editing alongside your opinions.
We gonna pretend that 5 different versions of WoW doesn't mean 5x more bots? Ok
yeah significantly more bots now than during vanilla. just like warmsne, they don't subtract the bots from the data
No? Because what makes way more sense is that bot populations are likely more correlated to player count than game version. It is unlikely that, for example, the same number of bots exist for a version of the game with 100k active players vs one with 3million. Bots supply the demand that exists, and if there is less demand, there is is little incentive to run similar numbers of bots on each version. There is, after all, some cost associated with running each bot, and botters are in business to make money.
@@Broniminthey probably do more than people think. Some people think the bot farms are all buying 15/month subs and they don’t. They buy a stack of cc numbers for a couple of hundred bucks. Use those until the card gets reported. The blizz gets a refund notice and has to cancel the sub. It probably goes up and down, but a ton of accounts are refunds.
Blizzard: Wrath was our peak, so let's do Cata Classic to run off people that came back for Wrath Classic.
1.) Can't do it forever, will get stagnant. They as a business logically speaking have to do something. 2.) People will play it. Maybe not in the numbers you suspect, but people will. This is coming from someone who isn't currently interested in WoW, played it for half of my life. 3.) Wotlk isn't the end all be all of all videogames. Good game, good version of it, but let's stop giving it more credit than it's due and let go of the past. Even superfans wouldn't play Wotlk back to back for 10 years - people will get sick of it eventually or just get bored. Think about every patch cycle, and most times that's only a few months and folks STILL complain about getting bored and having nothing to do. It's not sustainable.
Whatever the move should have been, it definitely was not Cata, lol.
@@tyrnriscards6238 Solid points, yet those points ignore the objective reality that private servers running Vanilla for well over a decade only lost their players due to Blizzard shutting them down with threats of legal action to get those players onto Classic. The people who play to burn through content as fast as they can are always going to run out of content. That's just the reality of that play style. Meanwhile, altoholics like myself, is who Classic should be for. We don't play to get to the end as quick as we can. We play to explore and enjoy the world. We're the kind of players that made private Vanilla servers feasible for years and years and years. On top of all that, between work, adult responsibilities, relationships, etc., quite a few of us don't have time to spend 40+ hours a week playing WoW.
@@tyrnriscards6238you're describing content locusts who are the most vocal btw. Folks like me just want to chill with buddies, make alts, and have some fun indefinitely.
Great video, love hearing your take. Outro music was top tier.
You are correct about the pandemic timing. I entered classic a few months after realease for exactly that reason, a lot of extra time!
The difference in loot is so surface level it hurts my brain. Not being able to name the items has nothing to do with the impact of the loot, but the sheer number of items you have. I can recall several items of loot from cataclysm and beyond but the names escape me because there are millions of items. The loot all being main stat-secondary stat is not even true becuase there is usually a raid in every expansion that gives unique procs, but you could never remember the names because as previously stated, there are millions of items.
Geez, maybe having millions of loot is not a good idea?
A rising tide lifts all boats I'm a 95% retail player, but I'm still so glad classic exists. I got the nostalgia hit I needed from it, I still have it as an option. And aside from that, the classic community saved the part if the game I enjoy, retail. To frame any of this as "retail vs classic" is moronic.
Two weeks too late for this but I have some points I'd like to mention from my POV. Don't know if you or anyone will reply, Mad, but I just want to get my thoughts in before it has been a month before I comment. Your comparison to Dragonflight (DL) and MoP, and how you likened them to having Pixar vibes, made me feel many players just see the cinematic and themes of the expansions to judge them face value as both expansions got dark and deep than what the marketing gives us credit for. MoP had some pretty dark moments when it came to the Mogu, U'shaarj, and the Alliance-Horde War, the latter of which had amazing storytelling IMO because of the different perspectives of the two factions and the Purge of Dalaran showing this. And while DL never got as dark or even edgy, it certainly did have its moments; the Blue Dragonflight reuniting and finding peace for Malygos and Sindragosa, and Ebyssian serving as the voice of reason for what is left of the Blacks were personal favorites of mine in recent WoW storylines. DL also serves as a really good sequel to Cataclysm IMO as you certainly do feel the dark legacy of Deathwing for the first several (in-universe) days you are on the Dragon Isles - the two plotlines I mentioned with the Blues and Blacks are related to this both directly and indirectly. It, along with BFA, were also the most "down to earth" recent expansions when it comes to their overarching story. But that's just my two cents. As for Shadowlands (SL) and its theme surrounding death and afterlife. I argue that, for whatever medium the media is, themes surrounding death and the afterlife are barely well written since they are often powerful tools for a writer as you said. One thing in Warcraft is that you can tell how powerful a character is not just their overall power but also how hard it is to kill them or how their legacy affects everyone else. The effects of Gul'dan and Kael'thas hit hard for their respective races and we see this to this day, even with AU Gul'dan coming in. But seeing Kael come back in SL wasn't necessary as he served his purpose as a character from WC3 up to BC, with his legacy just being a good reminder. Though cool he found redemption in SL, it was also unnecessary. As for how hard they are to kill, some characters like Illidan are just so empowered by whatever energy they have is that they are almost invincible. She's not a major character compared to the rest, but High Inquisitor Whitemane would also fall under this as she was just such a powerful priest that she needed to be stabbed with enchanted swords to stay dead instead of reviving - she was like the Light's version of a lich. However, despite being the weakest and underwhelming of the expansions, I am actually willing to give SL some respite solely because it was during this expansion that the sex scandals were shown on the surface. So the bad writing, or even lack of writing and content in general, may have just been the writers trying to salvage what they had to work with. As for Legion and how it hurt BFA, I actually felt that it was meant to be the last expansion in WoW history before they moved onto something else. Allow me to explain... Legion had a really good 'end of the world,' apocalypse storyline; we got to use powerful weapons from previous characters in Warcraft's history; in-universe, we essentially become the new heroes because of our deeds and power gained (Artifacts and legendaries) to replace those lost; and we finally got to actually take the fight directly to the Legion's front yard of Argus, and even pushed them back to the point where Sargeras (And actual god of destruction and war) was sealed. When Legion ended and we got the buildup of Azerite and a second war between the Alliance and Horde, I genuinely thought that Blizzard was leading us towards a Warcraft 4. Even though this turned out to be false in the BFA reveal trailer, there were will moments during that expansion that made me feel Warcraft 4 would still happen; there is essentially a proxy war between Zandalar and Kul Tiras; both factions want to harvest Azerite across the world; Warfronts were about to kick off, or seemed like they would (There was one planned for Quekl'thalas). I thought BFA would serve as an introduction to Warcraft 4, with its most major conflicts, and the war's end, taking place in it. But that is me going on a tangent so I'll stop there. If anyone happens to read all of this, feel free to reply.
Great video! Something I will say about retail that Atleast makes it a little better in my eyes but I didn’t realized how much static flying was ruining wow until tried dynamic flying. It makes the game so much more alive when you actually have to manage your mount and traverse your environments.