Data Analysis Shows Huge Pro-War Spin Of German Mass Media | Prof. Harald Welzer & Leo Keller
Harald Welzer and Leo Keller demonstrate through scientific data analysis that German media do not reflect the opinions of the population at all, but rather attempt to manipulate them in the crudest form to support pro-war narratives.
Study: www.fischerverlage.de/magazin...
Professor Dr. Harald Welzer is one of the most prominent German sociologists and social psychologists. While many of his scientific works deal with the influence of thinking and memory on society, Professor Welzer also frequently writes popular, critical bestsellers on society, such as "End Times: Politics without a Guiding Principle, Society in Danger" or "The Fourth Estate: How Majority Opinion is Shaped."
I also have a Swiss colleague here, namely Leo Keller, who is an entrepreneur and data scientist and has been researching opinions in the media for decades.
Im only 15 minutes in and Harold is saying exactly how I'M feeling. I feel like i am going insane when I read comments and what makes it worse my comments that are anti war get deleted and pro war comments remain this is not just on youtube but news sites where you can leave comments its making me feel extremely angry
It’s like we’re living in an alternate reality, where Hitler somehow spiritually won
I see it all the time on this platform. Hateful comments are left alone, and comments that show any understanding towards an opposing view are removed. The media wants a full on war.
I hear ya my friend.
Correct. It's because these people are so detached from reality they don't really understand the death and destruction. To them it's like a sports team, they root for their team and want it to win but they don't really care if the team gets hurt in the process. The internet can be a dangerous place.
Westerners talk all the time about democracy being some saviour...it appears to have a malevolent intent. The more this word is bandied the less there is.
There is actually a very good argument between having a dictatorship and a democracy... a dictatorship will make a decision and it won't be challenged or subject to bureaucracy, it will be put in place quickly and come to fruition. Such as when Russia need to say produce artillery shells, they just begin production ASAP. Where as we've seen with NATO, the EU, the US government/congress etc... they all have many layers of bureaucracy, they often have differing opinions that hold up or argue against the decisions. We've seen time and time again the West pass the buck to each other when it comes to a donation, like the tanks, they went in a merrygo round for months saying "you donate yours first". Then it takes months to prepare them and sign the legislaltion etc
Germany being manipulated and manoeuvred by London as usual.
By Washington. The UK is another lapdog of the US. The problem is that Germany is not a sovereign country.
Since the German media is under British control since 1945, and until 2099 it is no surprise that German children aren’t given German names anymore. Unfortunately, not to many people appear to be „enlightened „ about this. Far too many repeat every bs published in msm without questioning anything. It is far worse than portrayed by H. Welzer Those who think for themselves are an absolute minority, this was very visible at the start of Coronoia plandemis for example
Care here. Germans are good at point fingers at others for their own evil doings, never own up to their own agency. Not intended to excuse Britain for their own complicity in genocide.
They don't . This is West German Nazi suburban society talking . They lie and deflect since 1945 . This is Not Germany .
An interesting discussion but compartmentalized. I visited Berlin in October of 2022. Pro Ukraine visual propaganda was everywhere. Oversized Ukrainian flags flew over all government buildings - All of them. In the red government building at Alexanderplatz, there were 5 Ukrainian flags and one German flag. Near the Brandenburg Gate, there were Israeli flags taking the place of German flags. I thought at the time that the Germans had an identity crisis. I hated Berlin, a depressing place with loads of American shops, a neoliberal, Atlanticist, elitist paradise. And what is this use of the word “democracy?” It has become increasingly clear that Germans, as well as other Europeans, have no knowledge of what democracy is. They hated having it pushed down their throats after WWI, and the Germans loved Hitler and happily waved their little German flags with relief at the sight of him. They have not changed. This discussion is so German with its focus on details and inability to see the larger picture, the totality of the German propaganda, written and visual. Do these gentlemen think that this aggressive visual propaganda had no effect? I am willing to believe that the visuals all over Berlin in 2022 had an incredible influence on the German people, all of whom were still running around with masks and behaving like absolute paranoids. Scared sheep. My impression of Germans is poor, and I say this knowing full well that my own country is the epitome of perfidy. And there is no climate crisis, nor was Russia the aggressor in the Ukraine War. These people are biased beyond belief and don’t get it one bit for all their intellect.
Yes important point about visual stimulae.. this rematch does support what you say...but agree about the Germans go about things.
Unbelievable to continue this war destrying europe because putin wants Russia to be a sovereign state and not an American puppet as we are. Which other is the deep reason?? And next china, because it is doing better than usa? America is crazy and Europe goverments complete useless
Eu is back into inquisition (and still criticise Muslims!!!)
Maybe not nuclear, but he will take measures against eu, and somebody else is going to use nuclear , France, USA, and he will act accordingly
It is possible that the cautious and neutral, almost neutered, presentation of the problem, with only glancing reference to "Trans-Atlanticists", while stemming in part from scientific approach, reflects fear. People are being fired and deprived alternative employment, like a female German professors that Pascal interviewed earlier. When I was growing up in Communist Poland, there existed room for alternative opinions as long as they were presented in a cautious, neutral kind of way, so one had to "read between the lines". The media uniformity may reflect taking the easy way in editorial offices, but why are those ways easy? Or exactly one way? A recent example: elections results were proclaimed as "fake, invalid" because they showed increased support of Putin's presidency, even if results were not particularly different from opinion polls by pro-Western organizations, and consistent with lines of Russian emigrants who voted in consulates in Western Europe. I mention the latter, because it cannot be explained by being deprived of access to Western media that could convincingly rebut "Putin propaganda". Even if you dislike the results, the dislike could express it in a variety of ways, so there seems to be a central signal.
When 98% of the articles and messages from the MSM of the collective West about the proxywar in Ukraine are exactly the opposite of reality then this is impossible without central coordination. In my recent in 10 languages published book MSM I expose the MSM with this conflict as central case. 2 years of blind propaganda is enough! Best regards Frank Libertas
capture of public health and capture of media, these are two of the Five Pillars of Fascist Reich.
Let me hear how Ukraine is wests proxy war. For ones is west on the right side….. can we agree that russia started the invasion im 2014 after the Ukrainian people revolted against a russian coup attempt, russia shot down a civilian aircraft in july. Russia had regular forces in Ukraine including the 76th Guards Air Assult division.. Russia brole the Budapest memorendum from 94 in 2014….
I fully agree. Most articles very quickly write something that contradicts (my) reality and I have to force myself to continue reading.
May I suggest the latest of stephen gardner with mike benz?
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German society through centuries of history never saw the newspapers as a playground of discussion, but as a chain of command to inform the public what they have to think and what they have to do. All thoughts have been pre-cooked. The "Reich" was allegedly some pivot or peak propaganda, but as we see - and don'T want to see, not much has changed. Just the language has become more complex and more Orwellian.
Two words : Ideological narcissism, or we must win at all cost. There is no room for anything else.
"horrified...dumbfounded...flabbergasted..." Excellent discussion.Thank you, Pascal.
Can sb help me please? Is it possible to switch off the interpreter in order to listen to the original German conversation?
Excellent conversation and critical analysis of Mass media propaganda in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. Bravo to Pascal Lottaz for bringing to the world these insightful gentlemen. Worth my time!!! I shall watch it again.
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Its called manufacturing opinion......or brain washing...very old story..lol lol
My gods Pascal. Your interviews are some of the most valuable that I've seen in such a long time. Thank you.
This is Noam Chomsky's concept of manufactured consent
That's a great database that these fellows have gathered; should be the source for many studies. Further, it seems that the chief-editors of many European media sources have a common educational and working pedigree - it seems that they all have gone through US/British prestigious universities and have worked for English speaking international publications; research into this area would be enlightening.
many Americans cannot find Russia on a map
Many Americans couldn't find Philadelphia on a map (4th or 5th largest city in US where the Constitution was drafted and the Continental Army HQ during the "full scale" British invasion)...
I watched a video on KZhead where some random Americans couldn't name ONE! continent.
Not everyone is gifted or interested. It’s easy to accuse people of a lack of something while it doesn’t costs yourself any effort. Nobody chooses their parents.
@@OneDayWillFlyAway I wasn't criticizing any individual, I was commenting on a culture that is dismissive of education
This talk is so good that I would watch and listen to it repeatedly. Thank you so much to all of you.
Dear Pascal, is there a German version without the translation somewhere? Thank you 🙏🏻
SaneVox (youtube Kanal)
@@markomba Ah, very cool, thanks a lot! 🙏🏻🥂
Brilliant work
I just looked up the Swiss vote on the Minarets. It is as I expected and just like Brexit: the winning margin is much smaller than the number who stayed at home. I suspect if the U.K. voted with 100% turnout the campaign to Remain within the EU would have won, which is why they approached the vote with such complacency only to find that being asked how you feel and whether you will turnout and vote for X or Y are different things. Now they repeat the same mistake and just go with polling on returning to EU assuming anyone who would prefer to return would get and vote with Tony Blair and his spin doctors. If anything they have found a way to be even less appealing than they were the first time. I suspect the next country to use nuclear weapons will be Israel, not Russia, China or even the USA and, I believe, they have German made submarines? As such I had expected the possibility of such use to be more common in German speaking media. The Americans like to pretend they are in control of everything and ignore the German agency in building submarines or the fact Israel was a global top ten weapons manufacturer already. It is a weird sort of American exceptionalism where only America is exceptionally evil.
Very interesting chat, although the scientific statistic nature of the study totally leaves out the forces that drive the published opinion to be so homogenized, meaning, political, ideological and financial interests that overcome the corporate media's supposed duty to inform in a balanced way. Yes, Pascal is right: they are peddling opinions.
Excellent discussion
Excellent discussion, thank you for sharing.
Subtitles please, not voiceovers.
The voice-overs are very pleasant and well done.
Go into settings and click on captions.
Thank you three for this absolutely fascinating presentation! I see it myself in the great discrepancy between government talking points and X or Utube/rumble
The model of commercial media is failing us. If the motive to report is to seek sales, the journalism is instantly corrupted and untrustworthy. How do we take the paycheck off the table for journalism then... is the better question no one is asking. The principle is to make _accurate_ reporting on _socially relevant_ topics the _motive._ This demands journalistic peer pressure, as in any social grouping. Journalists need a code of conduct, standards, and the power to vote-up good journalism and vote-down bad journalism. If they do this job, they can be legitimately paid salary by the State, always and without question --- the State issues currency by fiat, it does not get Its own currency form the "tax payer" or by selling bonds. Good journalists who have the trust of their peers can temporarily act on councils to enforce the standards and code of conduct and up/down voting, to ensure integrity of public media. The political partisans should have no seat at this table, and politicians only need play the role of funding approval for such systems, in the public interest, for public purpose.
Look up "operation mockingbird". USA Cia have bought up all "independent" media. They all have the same voice
Great suggestion but will never be implemented. Everybody in power wants control. Everybody.
State funding means state control. Which is just as bad. I think we need to search for other solutions...
Thank you Pascal! Love you channel and the interviews your share. Is there a posibility for native speakers to see the interview without the translations?
Brilliant translation!
4th Reich ???
Thank you for this excellent interview!
ZIO controll since Weimar
Very good analysis i don't watch TV or read newspapers so my opinions are formed by the internet and my own experience gained from observations of the general public who are ill informed by the BBC etc
I recognise the voice of the translator for Harald and Leo. I have a question for you, is linguistic diffusion reflected in the published discourse that is reflected within the public discourse? Through linguistic diffusion, certain phrases and words have experienced a surge in popularity, becoming much more prevalent in contemporary language usage compared to previous times. One notable example is the term "discourse." In recent years, this word has become increasingly popularized and commonly used in various contexts. It has transcended academic jargon and entered mainstream language, often used to refer to conversations, discussions, or even larger societal narratives. This shift in usage reflects a broader cultural appreciation for nuanced communication and critical analysis. Another instance is the phrase "by the way." If we observe the linguistic landscape in both Russia and the United States, we can notice a significant increase in the frequency of this phrase. Just a few years ago, it might have been relatively uncommon in everyday speech. However, through linguistic diffusion, it has permeated social interactions and become a staple in casual conversation, serving as a segue or an afterthought marker. These examples illustrate how linguistic diffusion can lead to the widespread adoption and normalization of certain words and phrases over time. As language evolves and adapts to changing social dynamics, it is not uncommon for once-obscure terms to become household staples, shaping the way we communicate and interact with one another. Did you notice Tucker carlson's facial expression during his interview with president Vladimir Putin when president Vladimir Putin used the phrase by the way for the first time I could just imagine what was going through his mind something along the lines of wow these these people are just like us. Just before Tucker got fired he was also using the term by the way quite frequently but not anymore however the phrase did catch on and other people in the United states are using it now more than ever
Loved this conversation :)
Great interview.Thank you
Opinion before analysis = manufacturing consent; creating a false objective reality.
objective analysis is a purpose in itself - one that rarely aligns with interests of power
@dinf8940 exactly. That's why they have to cut off analysis and replace it with a created false objective reality that is accepted and not questioned by the masses
Amazing research!
Bravo Pascal.
Just imagine how Germany was thinking before Russia agreed to allow German reunification and to remove the 300-400,000 Russian troops in East Germany conditional to NATO "not advancing one inch east " and now Germany arming Ukraine against Russia NATO advancing into all the former Warsaw Pact countries and the Germany plotting to destroy bridges etc in Russia. To me that looks like a betrayal of an agreement.
Imagine how different ww2 would have turned out if they had alternate internet media.
The algorithm thrives off conflict and drives it
Thank You for the Discussion. Ist there a place, where I could follow it on german?
This is exactly what’s happening in the US too.
The media says it's so so there you go.
So there you go… You are Watching Andrei Martyanov too😂
It is a very small minority forming a coherent opinion based on independent media, A distrusted national media creates an easily manipulated reactionary population Democracy, or what we should call democracy isn’t an average opinion, it’s maximizing the common good while protecting the vulnerable by a few wise and decisive leaders vetted and held to account by the innumerable local leadership; The public is guided by emotion, proper leaders, such as we see around Israel, realize it is not in the public interest to initiate a regional, maybe World war on behalf of the Palestinians, they exercise restraint and produce a measured response to the situation Prepared for the worst, but first maintaining control
This assumes people in power and otherwise are logical. These wars and the rhetoric are not logical. There are other factors at play ....but it is a start at self criticism. It explains that there IS a difference in rhetoric but not WHY .
link to the original german footage/audio?
Is there any translation of the study? Also would be great if I could find a translation of "The fourth estate".
In Deutsch sagen sie "vierte Gewalt im demokratischen Staat" und übersehen, dass Medien nicht demokratisch gewählt sind und deshalb niemals besondere Macht entwickeln sollten, nämlich benehmen sich als Stakeholders statt als Stimme der BürgerInnen gegen die REgierung.
Hi Pascal, kannst Du auch die Originalfassung des Videos ohne die englische Übersetzung hochladen?
Where can I find the German version of this video ?
Where can I find this without the english voiceover?
But foreign affairs told that West should get closer to peace negotiations. Do they play multiple games?
Und wieso hört man nichts von Herrn Keller im Bezug zu der Medienberichterstattung der letzten Monate in der CH und auch dem Grund-Informations-Auftrag des Bundes? EDIT: lol... KrisenMgmnt... das ist nur so lange eine gültige Rechtfertigung, wie die Akteure nicht bereits mehr wissen, was den Handlungen widersprechen würde. Und auch dann nur über kurze Dauer.
Alex Christophorou said that his friends from Cyprus government get all the Ukraine info from msm like BBC…
Fascinating discussion. I’m not sure I buy the notion that traditional media always formed consensus editorial positions during times of crisis. It seems a more recent phenomenon. Dissenting views were certainly reflected during Vietnam war. I wonder if the formal “embedding” of journalists during Iraq 2 changed the character of the traditional media. Although dissenting public views and independent journalists such as John Pilger and Robert Frisk were still published at that time. What “astonished” me in the lead up to Russia’s special military operation (SMO) - before there was even a crisis - a consensus position had already been established without any reporting of discourse and differing opinions. Also remarkable was that on the very day of the SMO the political apparatchiks of the NATOsphere had an immediate scripted response - so tightly scripted that it did not deviate by even a comma across the constituent countries. The traditional media did not have to make an effort to reach a consensus position - it had already been crafted for them. No one in the traditional media questioned the immediacy and synchronicity of the response across different countries. To me it smacked of foreknowledge - of a deliberate plan that would yield predictable results. Somewhat like the response to the Crocus terrorist attack where it was immediately known and reported that ISIS-K did it. This seeming collusion between the Military-Institutional Power-Media across different countries to shape public opinion reflects an abrogation of sovereign autonomy and a deliberate infatilising of society. Social media has provided a platform for the vanguard of the resistance but Institutional co-opting of social media and the gagging of dissenting voices is adding to the homogeneity of public opinion. How did every country in the West manage to simultaneously elect such duplicitous, facile leadership - and to what end?
Is there a non dubbed German version on youtube?
Yes! On our german channel: youtube.com/@sanevoxde
kzhead.info/sun/jLqYl6yDrpl3qI0/bejne.html
I think you have to find out how developped a konflict. Therefore you have to find out on each side of the opponents the historian process from sometime in the past up to now and (!) you have to find out the hidden kontent of unspoken economic interests of the two sides. This is for instance necessary to understand the ukraine-russian-konflict or the israel-palestinian-konflikt.
where is the original video?
Perhaps it would get deleted, because it would come too close to the German playground. You see how careful each of them chooses their words.
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Lack of Turkish translation is a shortcoming. 🇹🇷
At the wrong side of history again
Don't forget, to find informations online you must know English.
@20:20 that's a bit dumb Pascal? Media should be a mirror reflecting our society. The issue is when is public opinion being reported and when is institutional or lobbyist or other vested interest opinion being reported. The media has to apply filters, they cannot avoid it, since print/broadcast space is finite. The point of ethical journalism is to clearly lead with whose opinion is being reported, and then critically comment upon how likely the statements are to be true. All too often official narratives are peddled out as "the facts". Even if government statements are statistically more factual than public opinion, an ethical journalist does not ever assume that is so for any particular official statement.
Why is Swiss not spoken in Switzerland? Why is it variations of German Swiss?
There is no such language as the Swiss. Some of the Swiss people speak a variety of German. Are you American? I apologize if the question seems an insult in itself
@@dorinaperrot5193 "There is no such language as the Swiss." Not anymore. "The four official languages are German, French, Italian, and Romansh. Each of them is spoken in different regions. This makes it a dream for any international student!" Swiss ain't one of them. But I guess it depends on what source you choose. "Over 60% of the Swiss population speak German as their main language. They do not speak standard German but rather various Alemmanic dialects collectively called Swiss German. French is the main language in the French-speaking part of Switzerland, known as the Romandie.7 Jul 2023" Swiss ain't one of them. "The most widely spoken language in Switzerland is “Swiss German.” Spoken by just over 60 percent of the population, its speakers are concentrated in the northern, central and eastern parts of the country." Swiss is not spoken there, any longer. Are you German. I don't apologize if the question seems an insult. Know about the "last night in Switzerland?" I do. So do the Germans I grew up with in the US who told me about it. They laughed about it. They did the same in the US only they only spoke German at home being the cowards they are after all there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.
@@NewOrleansSeptember Thank you for the Wikipedia report. As a French national working and living in Switzerland, I really needed that lecture :), which, I assume, is all new for you
@@dorinaperrot5193 None of those sources are from Wikipedia. But I guess you think so because you must use it a lot. i don't care who you are. Oh, you mean you're an arrogant Frenchman/woman. My grandfather and father were French. Most of the French people in the US like New Orleans were all murdered starting in 1935. Funny when I contacted universities etc, in France trying to get info on French who lived in the US. They told me to try the US. LOL After the Germans committed genocide in the US they took the correspondence of those French citizens, and sent it to the Nazis controlling France and rounded all them up too. Papers, papers, let me see your papers. And France hides this to this very day. So does Britain. The Creoles in New Orleans were there for hundreds of years and traded with the Brits, French, etc. And they did not know they weren't there after the war? By the way the Royal Family are Germanic. What a coincidence.
@@dorinaperrot5193 None of those sources are from Wikipedia. But I guess you think so because you must use it a lot.
What if Ukrainian destroys a Russian nuclear power plant? What will be the consequences?
Professor Welzer seems to feel that populist party supporters don't have a legitimate point of view.
Lightened people in Austria, Swiss and Germany😂 Trust me, there is a lot Russophobia
Well duh.
You use terms like absurd.. the word madness has come up many times recently because we can all see how illogical this is...mainly because we know it is not human and is anti human. We don't ask why that should be so. Who are these anti human forces.? There's something very deliberate. What's common is maximum destruction and anti peace.
Mr Welzer would do better if he understands critically thinking population has nothing to do with "democracy". In fact having a comfortable system makes people more dumb.
Masonic
English next time plssss
Cant believe an expert believes Ethiopia with 400k gone is higher than Ukraine with nearly 700k combined losses.
Harad Welzer the proffesor who want to capitulate to atomicblackmail
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Such an empty head! what is atomic blackmail?
@@etoiledenoundi Harald Welzer is capitulating for russias blackmail with nukes. His basic concept is if there is a risk for nukes, then give what they ask……
Marie-Agnes Strack-Rheinmetall, is it you?
@@michaelklade2423 ????
Can you please make these accessible without the dubs?
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