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Timestamps:
0:00 This Optiplex might not seem like much...
0:35 Sponsor - Ugreen
2:16 The Original Dell Optiplex 5055
3:02 Upgrade Plans
5:59 CPU Upgrade
7:07 RAM and GPU
8:22 Cinebench R23
9:10 Cinebench R15
9:24 PC Mark 10
9:42 Power Consumption and Temps
10:21 Comparison with i7-1260p
11:15 Gaming and Emulation
12:53 10GbE Woes
13:37 DaVinci Resolve
14:10 RAM Overclocking
15:04 Virtualization with Proxmox
16:53 Jellyfin and Transcoding
17:44 A good value?
In order to have that network card working you need to cover with tape some smbus pins... google it!
INTERESTING.
@@HardwareHaven In my case, covering B5 (SMCLK, SMBus clock) an B6 (SMDAT, SMBus data) was fixing the boot issue!
DUDE. It worked, thanks! I might have to make a video on that. Super cool.
@@HardwareHaven wow, really happy that this worked!
its dell not validating their parts for anyting but dell hardware, spent ages figuring out that on a few raid card i got out of my dell servers :( @@HardwareHaven
I bought one just like this thinking I could fit my GTX 1080 and give it away to my little cousin.... The GPU is exactly as long as the whole case 😂😂😂
Hahahaha been there. I fit a 1070 in a dell XPS system once, but the back edge of the card was literally snug against the front of the case😂
Get a Tesla p4 gpu for this. Best other than t4 or a2000
Still have my gigabyte gtx 1080 extreme gaming edition in drawer after being used for 6 years but, rx 6900xt being used now for 1.5 years since snagging open box deal for 650usd aka 50usd less than what I paid for gtx 1080 with 130-140% performance increase 🙂
get a riser cable
@@HardwareHaven Was gonna make a "No sag haha" joke then realized the tension would probably make it bend worse.
First rule of hardware upgrades, always update your bios first…it’s the core hardware interface.
no kidding...I get ALOT of these e-waste junkers where they are running the original release of the BIOS...and just flashing a new BIOS seems to fix all the issues with the base machine all my homelab/server stuff is handmedown junker machines that are happy to just chug along..not the fastest...but glad to not be rotting away in a landfill
@@haydenc2742 My ECS K7S5A sometimes resets CMOS for a false battery issue and sometimes doesn't like lukewarm (like... totally off but PSU has power) starts. Also happy to not have it rot in a landfill. But those capacitors I replaced can totally rot in a landfill. Way better than rotting all over my system.
I update my machines' BIOSes anyway if there is updates available, even if I'm not planning any upgrades.
@@Keullo-eFIN DELL Optiplex, check 20 X times if you need this update please ! Only on Custom build system, always do the latest UEFI system updates !
not really the first thing as there's a very very high chance of bricking the board as these OEM boards barely have instructions on how to bios upgrade
i've been using 3 dell optiplex 7060s as my primary proxmox HA cluster for over a year which i salvaged from my IT job. i upgraded the ram for each node to 64gb for a total of 192gb and installed 1tb of ssd for each which gave me 3tb of ceph pool storage. it's been stable and very reliable for me so far and am very happy with it
1:03 Speaking of ugreen, please ask them to send you one of their new NAS devices for review
Oh don't worry lol
act surprised when they send you two 🙂
So ready for those to be out! Hopefully they nail the software.
bless the AM4 socket
Amen
Did the new bios also support newer Ryzen cpus?
Long live lisa
Agree. I have two machines with AM4 (5800X & 3600), great chips, both of them.
@@darkkingastos4369 For my mobo, yes. I bought mine along with a R 1800X. Eventually, the 2 nd generation was released and then the 3rd. Unfortunately, the BIOS chip is only 16 Mb large so there wasn't enough space, so they removed a lot of the graphics. I am using a R 3600 now. The RAM was able to do 2800 MHz with the R1800X but with the 3600, it was able to hot the 3200 MHz easily.
That turned out to be a pretty great little system for not a lot of money. It may not have as much flexibility as a MT PC would but for being as small as it it it has a lot of potential!
actually he MAXED out the potential ;) Though he might still be able to put a Ryzen 7 3700 in it, since it's a B350... but I don't see that as being a huge upgrade, probably not worth the extra cash.
I really like these types of homebuilt "build" shows...well within reach of most home users...and it shows that even older hardware can still be used/upgraded to hold it's on in a homelab/server situation. Good on you...just glad you don't whip out "sponsored" over $1000 machines on the regular and try to compare to "home user" level stuff (then claim you represent the home brew croud)...that really grinds my gears Keep em coming!!!!
Yea, sponsored shows while interesting, exists as mouthpieces for what the companies WISH we could buy. But truth is, we don't change $500 GPUs like pants.
Nice work. You just got yourself a subscriber, as I was thinking about doing an intel or AMD based media server PC. After watching this video, the answer to my questions has been solidified. Thank you for all the hard work you put in to making tech videos. I’m sure it has helped a lot of people out.
My primary desktop is an Optiplex 7050sff with an i7 7700, so I always get a little excited seeing Optiplex get some love
In the future look into the acs override setting in the proxmox documentation, it might help with splitting up those IOMMU groups, plus the ACS override patch is preinstalled.
I love watching old tech find new life. (I still have my Opti9020-USFF with an i7-4785T, 8gb 1600 and dual drives. It is a reliable and great little machine. But as my homeserver I replaced it with a Poweredge T110-ii using an e3-1265Lv2, 16gb 1600, a TeslaP4, a 2.5gb nic and 4x8tb drives.)
Bought this dell optiplex, used of course because it is everywhere ex office use. Been using it for NAS server, managed to fit in 4x2.5gbps lan, 4 nvme ssd and 4 sata HDD 3.5 (separated from the case ofc). Great budget solution for cheap NAS! Glad you talk about this monster😂
Nicely done, interesting Project. Thank You!
You absolutely dont suck at the intros, I like em very much! 3 4 sentences about whats going to happen and boom thats it. Would like to see other channels did like you do. Please go and please go on doing these videos :) cheers
I used to see those Intel 10Gb Ethernet cards come in all the time for RMAs. It was almost always the little fan that had completely failed, similar to what’s happening to yours. Great video!
Interesting!
I often just zip-tie a Noctua onto stuff like that :)
I have been watching 25 seconds of this video and already like it. Keep up the good work!
I picked up an optiplex 7060 sff last week with an i7 8700 and 32gb ram, going to move my entire homelab into that machine. Even though it is bigger than the Dell micros I currently run, it's impressive that the SFF is still relatively small and has a lot more upgrade potential!
HD 630 is the only issue with these micro systems, you need the Irix models, one gen later ! Big is not an iusse at all, only if you need Nic or other 2x PCIe cards. All PSU's on these are not able to support any GPU. Lab, slow I/O, thunderbolt 3, HHD in 2024 ? If you need that. My suggestion, buy cheap i7 9th dumped laptop, fast NVMe old drives in it, fast port on the back ! Irix or Arc ! $100 ! Way better then any Steamdeck, Old intel onboard iriX, games in 1080p on 13"
I got the OptiPlex SFF 5060 that had an i5-8500 CPU. Upgraded it with 16GB RAM, 512GB M.2 SSD, added another 4TB SATA SSD for PLEX, a WIFI 6 card and a full dual slot dual fan GTX 1050 Ti Graphic card by using a PCIE raiser and removing the HDD holder mechanics. Its working pretty well for my home server and remote access needs.
is there GTX 1660 Low Profile?
I'd love to see a video of how you have that set up
I'm always waiting for your video! fan from Philippines!🎉
Same
1st gen and zen+ memory controllers sucked compared to Zen 2 and 3. My main desktop with a Ryzen 2600X could get 2 sticks two 3200, 4 matching sticks could only get 2666. Dropped in the 5800X3d and they "Auto Tuned" to 3600 and have been stable ever since. Same ram and mobo.
Yep. I remember getting my 1700 to 3000 (or maybe even 3200) and being stoked about it.
Chipset related issues, not the mem controller, that is onboard the chip itself.
@@lucasrem yes chipset in on the motherboard that I Didn't swap out. swapped out a 2600 for a 5800x3d just the CPU. Motherboard and RAM is the same, so it's not the chipset since that didn't change.
I'm honestly impressed by the idle power draw of first gen ryzen system
I bought three Dell 7020 sff for about $130 in probably 2019. They have played every game the kids wanted. Upgraded ram, added a gt1030, changed to SSD. I am still on the i7 it came with. My one regret is that I didn't get the MT, it would be so nice to be able to fit a better GPU in there. I'm actually kindof stuck on this issue. I need a whole new computer, I guess, times 3. Separate thought. You could do a divinci resolve video! I edit a little and I'm not sure wether to use 264 or 265 and at what quality... Sometimes the files are huge. Just a thought, but I haven't found that answer.
14:18 For a lot of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen Ryzen based on my testing as a used local buyer/seller and Bryan from Tech YES City made a video on it as well a while back. These Ryzen CPUs saw an improvement of memory to 2933mhz to 3000mhz would make around 7% to 11% increase. After that 3200mhz made not much a difference at about a 1% to 2% more. Then no more improvements or making it worse at above 3200mhz. This is based on memory and the motherboard. Teamgroup has mostly been best in compatiblity with majority of AM4 CPUs and mothetboards. Corsair was usually worse. But that was based on my variables. My sister has a Ryzen 5 3600 for editing for some years now with an MSI A320M using PB. I have a Ryzen 7 1800x in my newer rig with an ASUS X470. And I've built only with Ryzen 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gen before covid. Loved the videos. Completely forgot about Ryzen Master software. Man I love Ryzen. Was funny cause I remember AMD wasn't a favorite to anybody back then. Now, more buyers want AMD like Intel making it half and half of sales and great for customers. Hope you have a great day everyone.
wow, for a tech channel only ever having bought 1 cpu 'new' is quite an accomplishment I would say. GG on the fast grow, I'm here for it!
Fan from Serbia, your videos are awesome
Thanks for this video! I had encountered a similar issue regarding passing the disks through to TrueNAS not having serial numbers and just kind of uneasily ignored it. I much prefer your workaround.
I hope you have no valuable data on there. Passing through disks (as opposed to the controller/HBA with IT firmware) is recipe for disaster!
@@christophjahn6678 I appreciate the concern but It's backup of a backup of a backup. I'm totally fine with losing it!
For prebuilds with no memory settings you want to get JDEC spec ram
i was finding a mini pc ideas now youtube recommends me this one.
Thank you for this video, very interesting and informative as always. I have a question that I hope you can help me with (or it could be an idea for a video) over the years I have built a collection of external hard drives and I am wondering what is the best way to archive (long term store) my files such as photos, videos, PDF books, and phone backups. Is NAS the way to go? or there are better solutions (not cloud)? but I am worried that the constant power would cause failure to the HDD motor. Also, I have read that companies such as WD and Seagate have gone to higher density HDD which reduces the costs of the drives but has lower data retention periods. On the other hands, I know that SSD's degrade over time. I am hoping that you could help me with this.
This machine with one of the new sff Arc GPUs would be a perfect media server. The encoder on the A380 is amazing, pcie power only and can do AV1 encoding and decoding for $115 bucks.
Arc gpu are very power hungry even at idle
@@jasper5945Yes but I'm pretty sure its greatest competitor, the RX 580/590 is even more power hungry.
The small joke about the drive S/Ns in truenas made my day, shit that was funny
I have an old Optiplex 9020 planning to install a RTX A2000 with a mod cooler that can transfer the GPU to 1-slot half hight. The A2000 should provide more than enough performance and the same trick can also be applied on the RTX 4000 Ada because they have almost the same stock cooler.
Nice video, thanks, but you forgot mentioning the high temperature of the GPU while running games, which of course would affect the whole system. it needs a better cooling. that is the main issue in a small form computing system. but thanks for the nice upgrade.
0:20 Let the watching begin!
That was interesting - and pertinent for me, since I upgraded my workstation to a Ryzen 7 5700G, and wondered whether putting the 1700x into a system currently only running an Athlon 3000G for a future video editing station and ... apparently if I put a halfway decent video card in there, it should be fine. Thanks!
Didnt know you daily drove a framework, you should do a video on your experience using and upgrading it!
That's the plan! I want to have a good amount of time using it though. I definitely plan to use this motherboard as a mini server once I upgrade!
@@HardwareHaven How long have you been daily driving it? Any initial thoughts you can share here / in a YT short?
TBH the only other modern laptop I've used was a 16" M2 Pro MacBook Pro, so not really a fair comparison haha. The biggest thing I'll say is that it doesn't "feel" cheap, which is a little bit of what I was expecting. Battery life isn't amazing, but for me that's not a big deal. I have the 13th gen i5, but with what I do, I could get by with like a 6th gen mobile i5 lol. I do wish there were two internal NVMe slots, because I would be interested in dual booting with linux mint or something. Overall I like it. I have a feeling I'll like it even more once I have a reason to crack it open and upgrade it.
@@HardwareHaven you can replace one of the I/O modules with a 250GB or 1TB storage drive, which you could definitely boot linux off of as it doesnt care if its on usb, you can just use the regular installer to do this as ive done it with USB SSD's as thats all the IO storage modules are, USB storage devices. Wouldnt be the fastest but would be usable under most distros.
Yeah, I’m aware, hence why I said internal. I might do that, but it’s a bummer that I have to buy another SSD when I already have plenty available. Plus, I like my USB ports haha
Hi, don't remember seeing it in one of your videos, but would love to see you do a build on the minisforum BD790i ITX MB, I'd like to buy it for myself down the road, assuming it'll be available to me sometime in the next year or so, but it seems like it would be a great small form factor build for a nas and some virtualization, the bd770i ive seen a few ppl build but none doing proxmox so far, unless i missed something on YT, and well with both priced so close together (110usd i think difference, but for 8 more cores i think its a great deal). If you'd like to do a video on it, it'll be awesome. Also, thanks for the content, wish i had enough confidence to sit in front of a camera
Hopeful VirGL gets better, I never had luck of passing AMD APU to VM.
Good video as always.
Glad you enjoyed it!
case issues are present on this thing along with ps, cost was too much for such a dinosaur but usual due diligence was pretty good - at least you tried - i think the sweet spot for these old systems is 3/4th gen hp and add ram and maybe a 2.5gbe plus ssds and that is it - total cost like 150
You should add WoW to your CPU tests. Its very CPU dependant and lots of people still play it. You could always do a trial version. Getting a steay repeatable run together would be an issue but perhaps just putting a character in a busy area like near a bank/auction house in either stormwind or the horde town (been years since I played). Lots of motion to hurt the CPU.
Would it work with later generations of Ryzen? I have some Ryzen Pro 5000 series I could play with here
I have an extreme dislike of that "Memory has changed" warning. I use an Optiplex for my backup server, and if I want to upgrade the RAM on it I have to also hook it up to a monitor and keyboard for the first boot afterwards, and I can't seem to find a BIOS option to disable the warning. They're the only system I've used that does this.
You get that with Dell professional systems in general. IDK about consumer grade Dell since I don't mess with them. I had the same warning on my buddy's Precision T3500 when I upgraded the RAM from 8GB to 12GB. Fortunately it was connected to monitor (TV)/keyboard, but I see why you'd hate that if you're running headless.
I'm not well versed in virtualizing graphics, or gpu splitting. That being said, I think it is logical to experience slow down when trying to virtualize a gpu without passing through the bare metal. The process has to go through more layers between endpoints, and also the possibility that the resources needed to virtualize the gpu slow down the process. I could be wrong, but that is what makes sense to me.
I like this system for a budget media server option.
what software did you use to make your music?
Which display/monitors are those in the background? Thanks!
We're getting ready to pull a bunch of 5060s out of service this summer at work. Their mainboards have Intel processors on them, but off the top of my head, I don't know what they are. They each already have 32GB of RAM in them, so I might grab a couple and see what can be done with them.
I like the Hp EliteDesk 800 G5, around $200-$250 on ebay, 8 core Intel 9700, has a x16 and x4 slot, can go to 128GB of ram with 2 NVMe bays and 3 SATA.
love this guy!
I got a Dell optiplex 9020 mini-pc with an i5-4570 i had a spare Nvidia Geforce GT 1030 4GB that works perfectly in there aswell.
What PS2 emulation software did you use? Can that software be used in a VM on Proxmox and connect to another mini PC connected to a smart TV with Moonlight?
I had an really old Optiplex and I used it since mid 2020. It had a core 2 duo and 2 GB of DDR2 RAM. It was not much but it was enough for Minecraft and watching KZhead.
I have just built this style of platform for our students, Dell Optiplex 5060 - I5 8500 / 32GB DDR4 / RX6400, works well enough for students who are learning CAD and Fusion :) £285 per pc.
I think for home server use I would steer folks towards 8/9th gen Core. They sip power at idle, by comparison.
Yeah, I have an HP 600 G4 SFF with an 8600 in it. Uses very little power. I think it was like 14W at idle.
great video love it :D
Bought the same one from ebay with Ryzen 2400GE in it and 32gb of RAM. Added low profile Radeon 6400 to it and my kid is beyond happy, this thing rocks in Fortnite, Valorant not mentioning Roblox. Now, I do have Ryzen 7 2700 (non X) laying around, still haven't tried it in to see if it supports it.
Couldn't hear "T1000" without immediately thinking of Terminator 2. 😆
You're the goat for figuring out how to use ryzen master to get better ram performance. You should try using a pcie extension cable to squeeze a better gpu in there somewhere maybe an RTX 4060 LP using a 2x sata to 8-pin.
A bit ago, I picked up a dell 7050 SFF which came with 8GB of DDR4 RAM. On paper, it can handle an i7-7700, but came with a i5-6500. Bought a 32GB pack, but left the 8GB in. So while the RAM is slowed down a bit, 40GB isn't to sneeze at. Will get a i7 at some point as they are quite cheap. Don't think I'm going to bother with a GPU though. There's just not enough room.
Hi, do you think this is a Dell 5055 with AMD B350 chipset and AM4 socket will be a viable option? I'm tempted but I'm not sure about Ryzen compatibility upgrade...
I would have made the power cables longer and made the power supply external allowing hopefully for a proper GPU providing of course than dell didn't cheap out and actually provided the full 75 watts to the pcie slot per the pcie spec. Sometimes dell does not do this.
have you experienced decreased speed when using disks passedthorugh to a vm in comparision to same disks used by the host ?
I think the AMD Pro CPU's main feature is DASH support (similar to Intel's vPro).
i liked the third "let the upgrades, begin"
Good to know! I’ll remember that for next time 😂
I believe Cinebench is a very CPU-centric test, to see the effect of faster RAM try something else, like the 7-Zip benchmark.
what i noticed on different mobo's is that swapping ryzen cpu requires bios reset to boot
I liked this video and Yes, I do want to see more! 👍
Big ups for the continued great content 🫡
Please try to modify your bios with new micocode from a zen3 cpu with uefitool if intrested i have a guide.
Have you tried putting a x16 video card in the x4 slot?
i think this might be the perfect case for the new 3050 6G cards that have half height options and are only 70w tdp so no pcie connectors
Can you try the new low profile RTX 3050 paired with the Ryzen 7 1700? Im interested to see how it does.
It's unfortunate the built in encoders in the Ryzen CPUs are so inefficient or poorly supported (not sure which is the bigger issue). I have an HP SFF with a 3400G Pro in it, but power draw shoots up when trying to transcode. Not sure if it's worth upgrading the GPU, but considering what you spent I'm pretty sure buying a base system with an intel chip would be the better option.
would love to see how the 8gb version stacks for running something like ollama or stable diffusion
you really should toss in an Intel Arc 310 or 380 in this little beast :) cool vid
Bro, the risk to the system not post can be reduced by update BIOS first. My Dell Latitude does not support my actual processor, but with a BIOS update it simply works. Dell does not keep up to date the documentation, but the rule is for almost all AM4 series. If you have 1, 2 or 3 you can update between them, and 4 and 5 the same.
Damn, 60 dollar is a steal for that kind of spec, where i live that will easily sold for a little over $100
10100f with some use motherboard will do the job fine hate those dell bills good video do broth the try
Two days ago Dell released Bios v1.11. But I don't think it's for supporting new CPUs, just some vulnerability patching.
You should do old HP systems, these Office DELL machines are CRAB ! HP Workstations, WOW ! easy to find too ! Why they used it etc
Dell is way more common and is cheaper I'm alot of places
Why not change memory settings in Ryzen Master? If available it reboot, saves into BIOS without needing BIOS access. Nvrmind, got to that part of the video now :D
If bios updated, can you try ryzen 3 2200g?
question, will a 10GB PCI E x8 network card work at full speed on a PCIEx4 slot?
If you were to saturate both NICs simultaneously you would see degraded performance on a Gen2x4 slot, but if just using one it should be more than enough bandwidth for 10GbE
since you have done a minecraft server would you consider making a video about how to make a palworld server using any linux distro ....
Which EMU did you use for PS2?
I'm looking to build a cyberdeck that will run blender 4.0 and Unreal Engine 5, and I've been looking at mini-PCs. Battery power would be nice, but isn't mandatory. I want something portable, but powerful enough to run the above. (of course, if I'm going to spend $600, I might as well buy a more modern PC with the awful chiclet keys) This looks like a good enough solution if I can get a cheaper gfx card that will do.
Wish dell would support newer cpus on this platform
i have this system with ryzen apu 2400g, can i upgrade it with ryzen 7 2700? or it will not support
Where can I find the blue thing for the ssd? Can someone know 15:11
I have an HP Omen (gaming?) with a Ryzen 5 5600g. It only supports 3 CPUs (5600g, 5700g, one other)
7:33 This behaviour in Windows has always perplexed me. I feel like ive seen both values displayed in various builds over time. My desktop has DDR5-6000 which is displayed in task manager as 6000 Mhz, and my laptop with DDR4x is showing the full value in task manager as well.. Not halved. i have no idea how windows picks and chooses whether it will display the halved rate, or the double rate..
i have a t400 in my dell poweredge r630 i use it to render videos. to e exactly i render pictures out of weather stations from 5000 locations with each frame represents 5 min from one month. i do this for 7 values. then i have a big folder of pictures and now with my location renderer code i can select exactly those locations i need and render a video out of all pictures overlaid. also i have the option with openCV and machine learning to find locations of interrest and make a special video of it. the most work this system does is cpu and ram bandwidth bound the t400 does mostly nothing. i need it for keras and open cv because the cpu is already packed and doing machine lerning stuff and rendering needs much more power as the cpu can provide the gpu is much better in this stuff even this tiny one. is 5 times faster as both xeon E5 2699v3 combined the whole run takes 2h to 5h on that system i have done this before on my ryzen9 5950x but this was way worse it took over 50h. if you consider i crawl through 10Tb of data with 1.562.400.000 data points this is really fast
It's weird that it doesn't support the 1600. If it did, you could have upgraded to the 1600AF, which has 6 cores, but it's made on a newer node and clocks higher. Everything else is exactly the same.
What is the thing you just snapped the SSD in??? I need me those! edit: at 15:12
It's the bracket that the Dell Optiplex machines come with. It's a proprietary OEM part, so no use outside the original machine.
Would it work with a 1600 AF (2600)?
I would not be very confident in the stability of 4 sticks of RAM at 2933 with these first gen Ryzen chips
LOL, I was just about to click buy on that DELL INTEL X54-T2 K7H46 10G card before watching the full video and at around 13 minutes in it appears not working... XD Did you find the reason? Would love one for my full desktop PC
Not yet, but I haven't had time to look into it. I've had good luck with other non-dell used x540 NICs. You might need to add a fan though since a lot of them are built for server chassis
I literally just a saw a comment with a fix. I'm pinning it.
Seems like a cool project, but for the price i think you could’ve gotten more bang for your buck from a Precision 5820. Granted a larger form factor and more power hungry.