As they prepare for this summer's European Championships, England suffered a rare defeat at the hands of Brazil. However, despite not creating many chances, and leaving themselves uncharacteristically open at the back, Gareth Southgate's system hints that a very attacking approach could be used at the Euros. Provided they can fix one glaring flaw in the middle of the park...
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The fact that Maguire is the slowest CB and useless in a high press, has been completely ignored once again.
Because the English media aren’t allowed to legitimately criticise HM otherwise he’ll get his mummy involved.
its ridiculous that hes able to get in the squad when he doesnt play for his club. Its ours to win but Southgate will cost us
@@wwfcdunche does play for his club tho...
He’s plays for his club and he’s been Englands best defender for about 5 years What’s ridiculous. Is when people comment based on what they have heard. Rather than actually watching football A bit like you
@@24sumo United don't have a high press, so what if he plays? (I mean they do have a high press but the defensive line is very deep)
The Bellingham thing isn’t an issue. Just because he has good stats it doesn’t mean you destroy team balance to accommodate him. Kane saka and foden will score enough goals. Put Bellingham in the 8 and move on
Agreed. He can be more conservative for England and enjoy Real Madrid more. Gallagher’s the best for closing down space and we need to optimise the conditions for him to do this. Just because Bellingham gets loads of goals doesn’t negate this (besides he scored and assisted plenty from a #8 position).
Finally someone with some common sense. After that match against Brazil I don’t want to see Jude in cam. He can push forward if a defender tucks in to midfield but he can’t start there over foden.. foden is sooo much more creative. All did was get fouled and we don’t care about that. He needed to create for Watkins who actually played well but he didn’t do that enough
Some of Bellingham's best England moments have been winning the ball deep and ghosting past a couple of players, turning the opposition and giving it to the forwards on the front foot. He is so good running with the ball that you would take that out of his game by playing him to high up the pitch.
Oh right yeah, you have Mbappe you don’t play him as a CM - you have an asset like Jude, you work the team around him
I both agree and disagree. England has a lot of generational talent. But ideally we want to work out a system that gets the most out of bellingham. He is an absolute unit with stats to back that up. Agreeably he is very versatil aswell. But Bellingham has an uncanny ability to be in places defenders dont expect and thats just one of the reasons why we should concider a format that works around bellingham. I think the Problem here though is southgate really dosnt want to commit all the way to forming a team around him which means his making some stupid mistakes by playing older veteran players who may not suit this style of play. For example Harry Maguire, hes not the fastest player out there so in a high attacking comp hes not quick enough to run back and get to where he is needed. I think overall the game against brazil would have been different if we didnt loose Walker as his pace is fantastic. Lets just hope SG figures out the best style of play before the euros and we can stop being stricken with injuries as im really getting nervous now with so many key players not able to play.
Couldn't it be that the reason why Bellingham's goal-scoring stats are so high is because Real Madrid haven't really been playing with an outright striker? How many of those scoring opportunities is he going to get when the position he's playing is instead more about feeding balls into Kane/Watkins? And it's not like England are so lacking in goalscoring forwards right now that they would need to rely on Bellingham. I personally think putting him at 8 in a role more similar to how he played at Dortmund would work. You can still make use of his goal scoring abilities somewhat by letting him make late runs into the box.
Then sack maguire, Rice to Cb, hire Barkley to do Rice's job. Elite team in an instant.
@@michaellazarou6891 clapped team in an instant more like
@@michaellazarou6891 rice to CENTRE BACK? are you insane
@@user-jp7xz2or9hNothing insane about it . That's where Southgate wanted to play him initially . Other ex pros have suggested it too . A lot of the great defensive midfielders of the past such as robson, keane have played at centre back and been flawless , Put rice at centre back and he would instantly be englands best centre back . I hope that is where the next manager plays him because their is a young kid at Crystal Palace who is beautiful passer of the ball. Adam Wharton , can lay the ball on a six pence with both feet , that is so rare .
With an embarrassment of riches to build a frankly frightening high pressing team, it's about the profiles and not the price tags. Declan rice rotates the ball in midfield, he's not indispensably talented. He's there for his recovery speed, else you'd start TAA in midfield. If you wanted to build a high pressing side, you could also consider Wan-Bissaka alongside Stones, and he'd help your team win. There's depth at basically every position but LB if you look, and then you just play RBs there anyhoo (hello TAA) and modify. Thanks to the user who defended me. Thankfully, pressing outcomes at CB doesn't win games: goals do. So we won't see Wan-Bissaka 1v1 slicing down strikers on the backpedal. But making a pressing squad, with Mags at the back, that will leak goals. And goals win games.
Can’t believe Maddison’s not played more in the midfield for us leading up to the euros he’s absolute quality on the ball and he’s been pressing like a madman under Ange
The usual England conundrum, big club mediocre players over good mid club teams
He's Englands 3rd best 10, do you really expect him to play much?@@vbdemystified709
no space for him unfortunately
@@daspeed198 who’s taking his space tho surely not Gallagher or hendo
@@lukes472trent for me, allows us to play as either a 433 4231 or a 5 back depending on the flow of the game along with the obvious benefit of trents amazing chance creation and passing range. Madison could start but it would depend on the opponent so mainly against weaker teams or as a sub to imapct the game
Let's hope we don't have to play Brazil in the Euros
Brazil is garbage lol england lost because of clown manager
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@@ERICTENHAG56 you know they didn’t even play their strongest xi and we still lost? You also know since their manager got sacked they’ve had different managers come in temporarily to try implement their styles and this current one only had them for 5 days yes 5 days
@@chris.48 5 days you mean 5 days?
@@chris.48 england missed 5 players and clown gate is garbage even Brazil s debutant manager outshined him
This is one of the best tactics channel in England.
Very balanced, informative, rational & well presented - you really haven't grasped the purpose of the internet yet, have you?
That caused me to chuckle
@@trevorchapman9866 Me too😂
Very amusing . . .
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Simply put, England tried to play the Liverpool way but without any Liverpool players that understand how to actually play that way.
Well, Joe gomez came in the final few mins. 😂
Thinking liverpool invented pressing is wild
Thinking that not having any players in the team (and potentially none in the squad) from the team that is currently mostly likely to win the league is also wild. Not that I’m saying you’re saying that, but it’s weird how underrated Liverpool’s players are by England (both fans and the media/establishment). Really, Jones and now Quansah should have caps already, Trent should be a regular, and Gomez should be a key member of the squad, with the only argument against Elliott being how well stacked England are in that position.
@@ams1897 trents been given plenty of opportunities for us and always played shit, even you didn't rate gomez until recently (when he is getting in the squads) qansah hasn't done enough yet and Jones was meant to be in the most recent squad but was injured. Victim mentality again
Curtis Jones would be perfect for this system
Got it in one
Came here to type this. But the football “gurus” (James Lawrence Alcott) believed its not the case lol.
And who would you drop for him . Mainoo who is a much more complete and more talented footballer. Jones is overrated he is press resistant but he is a ball hog , doesn't release the ball quick enough and when he does its nearly always a side ways pass.
@@radiohead22-yg6li Mainoo has way worse stats than Jones in almost every key area, Manchester United are just such a terrible team that Mainoo looks good in comparison to his teammates
Jones is one of the best midfielders n one of the sides in the world, Mainoo is not at the same level.
The huge problem: Gareth Southgate. Solution: any coach with a plan.
By your logic England haven't had a coach 'with a plan' for essentially half a century then...
Wrong. Venables only had 2 years. Plus also on his bench were Stone Platt and Redknapp, if Venables had these players England would win.
Foden can play as a 10 or an 8. Bellingham can play as a 10 or an 8. The conclusion Southgate comes to is that, there is a conflict playing them both centrally... So Foden is put out wide. This is maddening.
yes if foden and bellingham were 8's we would have 0 tacklers in midfield? did you watch the video
if sakas there foden doesnt even get in at the wing. having jude and foden both as advanced 8s would work if rice just sat back as a pure dm. unfortunately sacrifices some of his advanced game but thats what has to happen and its legit what hes been doing at arsenal all season
@@akech24 I mean Rice has played as an 8 at Arsenal a bunch this year as well.
Yes because they’re both great at a counter press? Something neither work on for their club because it isn’t needed as much?
The video literally addresses why someone else (Gallagher) is needed in the midfield, so seeing as foden has played a lot out wide it makes sense. Recommend you watch the video
Your videos are amazing never fail me 😊
Good stuff.
Really enjoyed this video, thought your insight was interesting and love your England optimism ❤ The only thing I would say is that this season Man Utd have proven how difficult it is to play a high press with Maguire in the side. Maguire is too slow to sit on the half way line which is why ten hag moved the defence back and you often see that gap between the defence and midfield. I think If Southgate is choosing to play in this style then Harry Maguire has to be dropped
Amazing. It's always Maguire who gets criticised. Do you know for a fact Ten Hag has a deeper defensive line because of Maguire? Maybe it's because we don't have a good defensive midfielder! Have you not noticed how slow Varane is, Martinez isn't rapid, and Casemiro... don't get me started on him
@@jbri1Maguire is actually very good to go forward and he has a good header and passsing. the prob is that he is slow and mistake prone . Stones who can actually play in defensive midfield positions but he have lack of pace too . That's why you need rice who can actually feel the gap of center backs when they are going forward to help in attack . England was missing a deep laying playmaker who can operate box to box and that's why you need that 18 year old boy from Manchester United who can feel the spot that England is missing since retirement of Paul scholes hence no England manager utilise Micheal carrick's ability to play on that same position .
Great video Thank you. I am weary of demands from people that Southgate should be sacked and Jose brought in!!!!!!! This is quality analysis
8:00 not really sure about that one. Personally I think I Rice ain't all that on the ball, comfortable but can't really pick out many offensive passes, and most games has the highest km covered showing he is all over the pitch not just positionally aware.
yes he did a video explaining this its why we (arsenal) weren't winning our matches before Dubai because Thomas Partey was injured and Rice is too conservative with his passes hence the inclusion of Jorgino which solved it.
As an Arsenal fan, this is the first thing I noticed at the start of this season. Rice has never played as a number 6 in a progressive team that keeps the ball and plays on the front foot at a high level. I still think he is young enough and has the skillset to learn this role, but it is going to take at least a season or more under Arteta. A possible solution could be utilising John Stones as a centre back that steps into midfield to form a double pivot with Rice, like he does with Rodri at City. If you're playing Bellingham as a 8, that will enable him to move forward and take a high position when England have the ball.
@@terah101 oh but he never gives the ball away if i passed the ball sideways and backwards iwounled give it away either
Brilliant analysis I completely agree, then add Harry Kane and a non-injured Walker, plus replace the misfiring Chillwell with Shaw and we will be very good
SOUTHGATE FINDING A NEW WAY TO THROW IT AWAY 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 adopting the high press with hags maguire
One simple solution would be to play someone with great recovery pace at centerback, like Tomori for example, but Maguire it is..
Maguire didn't get done against Brazil, he didn't play
Tomori’s form has been spotty so far this season after recovering from injury.
Press have spent over a week hammering Ben White for turning England down rather than Southgate for creating an environment where one of the best, most versatile and tactically astute defenders in England couldn’t get a game. Previous to that it was pitting Foden against Saka to see who was “really world class” - well Foden did fuck all but looks a million dollars for city and has carried them in a few games. It’s the manager not the players - Gallagher might be a ball winning machine but he’s nowhere near as good on the ball. But Southgate is obsessed with two BWM protecting his back four. Instead of seeing if he can play that press and push a defender next to Rice. Stones does it for City, White does it for Arsenal, TAA does it for Liverpool.
I’m not having a go at Harry Maguire. I just think he has limitations and therefore England have to do something about that.
Exceptionally fast centre backs help in these situations. So that isn't Maguire. Why Braithwaite didn't get a kick baffles me.
Too new this close to May 16 squad announcement. I think Guehi and Konsa are ahead in the pecking order.
Love this video. The one huge red flag is that if Southgate is intent on playing this high press, why on gods green earth is he intent on also playing Harry Maguire as opposed to a more fleet footed option like Guehi or Tomori or Branthwaite or . A good example of the huge difference it can make is Spurs under Postecoglou who also play this high press: when Van De Ven is playing it’s incredibly effective. When Dier was getting in, it was a disaster. Surely Southgate isn’t this blindly loyal, and expecting too much of Walker to single handedly bail the defence out. Or is he
Guehi might have played if he wasnt injured, tomori often makes mistakes and branthwaite has only just appeared so reasonable to stick to most experienced players in the brazil game. hopefully branthwaite plays against belgium
Chillwell had an absolute stinker. Genuinely one of the worst individual performances I've seen in an England shirt. Losing Walker by 20mins meant our fullbacks were basically nonexistent from that point forward.
Chilwell looked miles off it but I actually thought Konsa did quite well when coming on. Had a reasonable handle on Vinicius Jr even if he didn't offer as much the other way
@@FourFourTwo Thats because for Villa his job is to sit as the right full back and let the left full back push high and wide. Essentially creating 3 centre backs. The winger on the right provides the width
Phil has been playing off the right/centre right all season. Saka being injured let Southgate dodge the issue but sticking foden on the left is a waste
England didn't play badly at all. I think Maguire being so slow is a big problem at the back. I kept seeing defenders backing off as well , probably because of fear of getting injured in a friendly. I don't think we can read too much into this one game, and hope Southgate will tighten things up, at the Euros.
I think the simple problem for that goal is Dunk. He clears that ball properly and they don't concede.
As a United fan I’m telling you you can’t play Maguire in a high line
England played decently enough, they looked like they were trying to create chances which is more than they often do! However when the moment for creating chances appeared they were totally fluffed. Quite a few of those were Chillwell, like crosses that just totally failed, unfortunately not good enough at this high level of football. If you want to beat Brazil, your crosses have to make it over the first defender. All in all it was a fairly even match with a new system and new players. Friendly is the perfect place to test ideas, kind of doesn't matter if you win or not, you need to put your new players and tactics in the pressure cooker to see what works.
If Galagher is the problem why not play Curtis Jones? And btw I don't think Brasil is THE WORST team for England to play against on this system. Do u not think that a France Portugal or Germany would cook that press?
You can have the most talented individual players in attack, but unless you have a solid defence, you won't win the Euros. You need fast , strong tacklers, who love to get stuck in.
Any chance you'll break down Germany tactics vs France?
The blueprint is there to basically replicate what Arteta is doing at Arsenal and Pep is doing at City (2-3-5 attacking shape) as many of the important players are also English and know how that shape works. Foden can be the right 8 a la Odegaard, Saka right wing. Jude as left 8 getting forward as Havertz has been (England should dominate possession against most teams so he will most often be an acting 10 in and around the box,) Kane up top, Rashford left wing (if he can work hard) or Gordon. Normal back 4 with Walker and Stones doing what they normally do at City. Mainoo can come in for Foden and push Rice to left 8 (and Jude to right 8) if ball progression is more important as Rice isn't the best receiving under pressure. Any country would love to have the guts of two of the best club teams in England (maybe Europe) and the team should do well. Southgate is the problem if they don't reach deep in the competition
nice idea but probably a bit too complicated to train everyone in that system before the euros. Very limited time together as a team before the euros start
It would be interesting to see southgate manage a club side. Wonder what type of football he would play. As you said, he's remade how england plays in every tournament so far.
I have a hunch he'll manage Palace (his first club as a player) at some point, and tbh I don't think he'll necessarily be as pragmatic
Personally imo it will work a lot better if they play Mainoo + Rice as CDMs and Bellingham can push up further as a proper no. 10
Dunk shouldn't have tried to bring the ball down from that header, put it up and let people get back
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Southgate to where?
@@nerdstark9002 To Man U and the Championship.
Trying to fit a system when most are players shine looks hard . People look at England and see the players we have automatically think we should win it .
Exactly the system Brighton use under De Zerbi 4 2 3 1 . Unfortunately leaves teams vulnerable counter attacking. You really need very high speed central defenders to counter this.
Great analysis. I actually think Gallagher can play the deeper role and be very effective, but I think we definitely need Walker fit, and ideally a quicker CB alongside Stones in the event of the press being beaten. I'm sure Maguire will be relied upon but I think Guehi would be a far better option. One thing you didn't mention was that, in this aggressive counter-pressing system, of course the first objective is to win back the ball. The next best thing is to force the opposition to play backwards. But then after that, the next best thing is to simply foul them to stop the break. In the first example you showed, Gallagher just got a step or two to the wrong side of Paqueta, and his first touch meant Gallagher couldn't get close enough to foul him. For the goal, Foden should just go into the back of the Brazil player and give away the FK, rather than get round him and try to get back into position. I believe the likes of Pochettino, Pep and other press masters like Klopp would be coaching them to do exactly that.
Good analysis of the game but I think that the reason people are so downbeat about this result/performance is that we were open defensively AND insipid and toothless in attack .. an ultra attacking strategy that resulted in hardly any decent attacks for us. Meanwhile Brazil cut us open with ease. Yet again the problems lie in midfield. I dont think england have ever even had a functioning midfield at any point in my lifetime 😅
Yeah, I think it's the two defensive midfielders and the two playing either side of the striker that's the problem, it leaves no options most of the time for the person on the ball.
Yes, well don't expect Southgate to solve it , he couldn't solve a two piece jigsaw puzzle.
Yep they need another coach, and if possible, named Northwindow
Need to redo the back line to allow them to press like this, get good 1v1 defenders on, you have enough attacking in the front 3 and playing Bellingham + a Maddison or foden centrally. Then have colwill/ Jarrad branthwaite/ stones / Walker (konsa imo is great at this aswell as rb or rcb with stones lcb) at the back, where stones goes up to a double pivot with rice. You’d have so much threat and have so many amazing attacking players up front. Think because of Southgate’s favourites he can’t see the wood for the trees. Has a good idea about a high press, unable to see what personal to pick to make it work.
So, Adam... As 🏴 fan for life who live in the other part of the globe, I have couple of questions for you ... 1) Do you think 🏴 just ok to play this way, using the same players (with Kane & Saka on the pitch) in Euro? 2) Because it's just 🇧🇷 - with ecperience midfileders & speedy wingers - or is there another team ? 3) If 🇫🇷 can hurt 🏴 like this 🇧🇷 did, do you think Southgate has to change the formation & the style of play against these two in particular? Thank you. Your video is awesome, mate! YNWA! 😊
Henderson for 60 mins, or Curtis Jones or I'd chose Ross Barkley... but Southgate seems to have ignored him.
We havent lost a friendly in like 5 years, Loses happen, whatever. Use the brazil game as a way of viewing weaknesses
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Midfield is not a problem and once Kane & Saka are back the attack is sorted becaue Bowen and Toney have shown they are able deputies that won't require England to adapt to a different style. Bellingham was a 6 or an 8 @ Dortmund so if Rice was injured Bellingham could and i think, would play there. Southgate i think wants to start with Trent & Rice with Bellingham further forward with Mainoo as a sub for any of them but most likely Trent. Sorted. Stones is a worry, but if he was not fit then Maguire could be paired with a pacy CB and it could be fine - particularly if Maguire plays as RCB so he has his CB partner and Walker either side of him. Gomez returning to the squad is heartening for me - i have a feeling that Southgate saw Gomez & Stones as his ideal partnership going forward in 2020 but Gomez has not been able to hold a place down in the Liverpool team. Gomez playing regularly, even if often @ FB, means he's now match sharp enough to start for England. Konsa also looked very comfortable and i think him coming on ahead of Branthwaite says that Gareth wants to take him. Even France are not playing Saliba and every other team @ teh Euros has questions about their defence - look at who Belgium were playing there on Tuesday!
With such a high line defensively surely you want a cb like tomori who can actually challenge these balls over the top with pace, that being said having tomori would leave us open in the box in aerial duels where i think maguire and in furure branthwaite shine
What we lacked against Brazil was a ball winner, since Kalvin Phillips injury we havent had a player who can do this job so its been left to Declan Rice but hes better playing more as an 8 like he does for Arsenal, Kobe Mainoo could do that job though as he showed against Belgium
question, could kane have affected englands performance against brazil?
I think they'd have looked a lot better with him and Saka up top, yeah.
@@FourFourTwosurely Watkins is a better profile for a high press system?
@@FourFourTwo Saka for sure, there was zero threat from the right side of the pitch
yes, simply because it would directly affect the Brazillian defence mentality knowing Kane was there as a threat
Curtis Jones would be better than Gallagher in that position
That's if kobbie didn't exist
@@BeansOnToast_1009 mainoo isn’t as good at pressing at either two but he is a good as a rice backup imo
@@jackaboy1018 "rice backup" my ass. Any midfielder in the eng squad that has "good pressing" couldn't even hold a candle to his talents. He needs to play with rice to allow him to contribute more in attack
Have been so behind Southgate since he took charge, for his team selections, and because he’s always played the kind of football that gets you results in international tournaments. Unfortunately, this approach is dangerous, and potentially shows Bellingham being more of a hinderance to the team, rather than making it better. This approach also doesn’t suit Maguire, who is essential to defending and attacking set pieces.
Do you think that Southgate should be sacked? Personally I think the manager isn’t the fault but I think we should be playing much better
Absolutely not. Said this in another comment but I do think a lot of people's issues with him come from just how different club football and international football are. He has to change the whole system every major tournament and I think we've gone into all of them being one of the few teams who seem to have a workable plan. He has flaws, but the idea he's somehow stopping the team being successful is insane to me.
Belleingham should play the 8 to allow a solid defense and Foden the 10 to unlock his potential with rash and Saka on the wings and Kane/Tony ST
Man, do you want to split Saka boi into two Saka bois?
4-2-3-1 formation does not work and it would never ever work for England 🏴
Vinicius Jr makes look Kyle Walker look slow! How fast is this kid?
Foden I find frustrating. I have never seen a more mercurially talented player that seems to have such a lack of understanding for tempo and footballing. He is incredibly gifted, he exerts a hell of a lot of energy, and works hard for the team, but ultimately, I actually think he's destined a super sub. He is positionless which people see as "able to play anywhere", but subsequently, able to play nowhere as effectively as someone else. There is no doubting his ability, I doubt taking up a position for an aimless player who pep uses as a running dog. Bellingham and Maddison are better 10's (and give you something different from one another), Saka and Bowen are better on the right, Gordon is better on the left (albeit I would consider him here due to the lack of actual footballing ability in this position). I would like to see him played regularly at 8, but Gallagher and Jones do that better than Foden. He's the player for me that fits perfectly into the "HOW CAN YOU LEAVE THIS PLAYER OUT?!" category, but honestly, I would just bring him on as fresh legs when the game opens up a bit and he can absolutely dog people. I know it's an unpopular opinion. He IS the messiah after all.
Same England they’re missing one or two players and they can’t quite make it fit together
It doesn't matter if you've got the fastest defenders in the world with this system, a good counter attacking team like Brazil will create chances. The main problem is simply not creating chances and scoring goals when your press is effective. Brazil and many other top teams seem to accept the concession of the odd goal but are confident they can bang more in at the other end. If England stick with this system they need to create chances and score freely. It should make for exciting football ...... "are you not entertained!!"
The manager….
The huge problem england need to solve is the manager. Sack him.
🤣🤣🤣😂😂 god that’s my tea gone 🤣🤣😂
Genuine question, if he left tomorrow who do you think they would (or should) get in?
@@FourFourTwo This is the problem with those who want Southgate gone, they never give a suggestion for who would take over, which says a lot, that's the whole point of wanting a change of this sort!
Potter, howe.. Obviously Southgate won't be sacked before euros. After euros he'll be gone and there'll be a few contenders
@@carlosbarton763 there’s Potter who I’m sure will do better than Southgate Howe(depending on his situation) and even outside of English managers if the people will be happy with it Mourinho is now available
Something that isn’t really mentioned in the video I think is that the reason the high press / counter press football works for certain teams (peak Liverpool, Arsenal, etc.) is because they have defenders they can rely upon if, as you point out, Paqueta pulls a brilliant turn. No disrespect to Maguire, Chillwell, Dunk, etc. but for various reasons (speed, injury, decisiveness) these are not defenders you can rely on 1 on 1 if the system breaks down for a moment. Van dijk famously not being dribbled past for a stupid amount of time, Gabriel physically dominating forwards the second they get the ball, Saliba covering in behind, Robertson covering back like a lunatic - these are the kinds of players that make these systems work by removing the threat of those kind of moments. If you don’t have those players you can’t play that system because those infrequent chances will happen, and those teams will score. In peak Liverpool those chances would still happen, but the chance of that amounting to anything was minimal. If we want to play that way we need Stones and Walker playing, AT LEAST, probably Luke Shaw too. And we also have to consistently score 2+ goals every game which we rarely look capable of.
Can they just not implement a system that uses a LB that inverts into midfield? It enables Bellingham and Foden to play as 10s whilst still giving some defensive solidity with Rice and LB in the middle. What I will say as well is that Maguire cannot be starting if we're relying on pace in behind - that's part of the reason for his contrast of performances between Leicester and Man U.
The two brazilian central midfielders are playing in the premiere league so they adopt the English style of play . Hence this system doesn't work with them and they shut down Conor Gallagher very well throughout the match .
We all know the biggest problem is our shit manager
Who would take his place and be a clear improvement? There's not many options out there
This is purely my opinion (and I know most don't share it) but I do think a lot of people's criticisms of Southgate stem from the just inherent differences between managing a club side and managing an international team. Think he's done a much better job than he often gets credit for
Jose Mourinho
Southgate deserves the credit for transforming England as far as he has. Is it enough though?
I'm not fan of Southgate but he's not shit, just mediocre
7 big chances to 1. It didn't work well. It didn't work at all
Is there anyway we can get you to coach the England squad?
Thoughts on Mainoo starting in the double pivot? Would you say he'd be a better fit for Southgate's system?
I love Mainoo, and I think he'll be that player eventually. We've seen at Man United this season that right now he still gets played around a little too easily, but I'd have no worries about bringing him on when we need to find a way through a team.
@@FourFourTwo Yeah I'd say he probably too young and inexperienced to start regularly, similar situation with Bellingham at the last Euros, ironically
With harry Maguire at the back with that high line 😂 why do managers do that with a snail at the back your always gunna be in trouble
What if England use De zerbi’s system and plays a 4-4-2 playing out from the back with Jude Bellingham and Harry Kane as false 9’s Rashford and Saka running for the space and Rice with either Gallagher og Mainoo.
They should copy South Africa's tactics in the AFCON and pick all Manchester City players. 😂
I don't hate it!
zero african players in city. this has to be a joke lol
@@FourFourTwo it's an honor to have you reply to my comment. 👍
@@harrybellingham98 no, all the English players that are in Man City.
Rodri is not English
If Ben White was in for Maguire you'd have a solid defender with enough pace to make those recovery runs too, shame there seems to be a conflict between him and Southgate in this regard.
U said Brazil is the worst team to try this system against, but what about France also. So much pace and attacking threat and midfielders also very good on ball.
If England is going to use high press football, they should use Liverpool players like Curtis Jones and Harvey Elliot cause they are familiar with that system. Callagher can still be used, but Curtis has better ball retention. Plus, they need to have fast and athletic cbs to use this system.
How tomori isnt starting at cb is crazy
One of our full backs should tuck into midfield when we are going forward. Ben White is quite good at that.
Ben white doesn't want to play for England....
@@Seanself363 I know, but he is probably the best
Put Bellingham where Ødegaard plays and Rice where errrr…Rice plays. MØ plays like a 10/8 hybrid for Arsenal which should suit Bellingham down to the ground. Then put Mainoo at 6, get Stones to step in to help midfield like he does at City and play a left back who can tuck into help Harry (Kyle is perfect to do the same from the right). Front three pick themselves. It’s not rocket science..
I agree with almost all of that, but I don’t think that Bellingham has that passing/shooting ability as a 10. Especially not the type to control games like Odegaard. Would make more sense for someone like Maddison.
Wonder if this change's Ange's oppinion of Gallagher in the number 8 for Spurs.
I think Gallagher can actually learn this system. You can see when he got turned by Paqueta that he went to intercept the ball on the wrong side. If he had just stayed goal side of him he would have stopped him. It can't be hard to drill that into him: Stay goal side!
Germany also beat France 2-0 but I still see France being there or there about at the Euros. I know Southgate needs to look at players and they have to play together as often as possible in order to gel. No matter what tactics are employed (and a lot of people don't like Southgate's tactics). But honestly, at a crucial part of the season with the top teams on a 2 to 3 games a week overload. The top 3 all still in with a shout for the league. Everyone else needing to finish as high as possible to earn more money. Oher players from other top leagues in the same position. These two games where always going to be damp squid PR games.
We won’t win nothing with southgate he needs to go after we lose euros for another time coming
Excellent analysis as always, but I feel there's one point missing. Harry Maguire is extremely slow and not at all suited to playing in a high pressing system, which makes Southgate's insistence on picking him even more baffling than before. I'm genuinely struggling to understand Southgate's reasoning behind this.
1: Maguire is dangerously exposed when playing in a high line. If we want to play a high line, we need to be using the likes of Tomori/Guehi/Stones/Colwill/Branthwaite. Use our quick centre backs and trust them. 2: Just because Bellingham has scored all those goals for Madrid doesn’t mean that will translate to a different team or national team. Ancelotti has designed a system this year to account for the loss of Benzema and Bellingham has adapted to it and made it work by almost playing as both the attacking midfielder and striker with two mobile and tricky wide players acting as strikers but often will either drift wide or drop deep in the channels to receive the ball. We have strikers so Bellingham doesn’t find the same positions and space for England. 3: Southgate feels like he’s trying to shoe horn players in based on popularity and stats alongside players he trusts. He doesn’t seem to have a style of play. We need to pick a style and pick the players who best suit that style! Possession based system - Rice, Foden, Maddison in midfield with either Kane or Bellingham further forward. Two quick players out wide in Saka, Rashford, Gordon etc. If you want to gegenpress, you want a striker like Watkins, a defensive midfielder like Kalvin Phillips, a ball winner like Gallagher and one quick wide player like Rashford and a ball carrier/creator like Foden or Grealish.
Number 2. Is such a key point. Why are we insisting on basing Judes position on something Madrid have done this season? We aren’t Madrid. I understand the stats are world class but he’s world class in many positions and we have to use him where we need him the most, especially when you have players such as Maddison and Foden who can play the 10. Madrid have half a dozen world class midfielders and little in the number 9 role which almost forced their hand with Judes position. Yes it came off dramatically but I can guarantee 1. They wouldnt be playing Jude in the 10. If they had Kane and 2. They wont be playing him there when Mbappe is there next year. Our biggest mistake would be isolating Jude because hes too far up the pitch. He needs to be allowed to effect the game in every way he possibly can and I believe that its from deeper.
TAA must play with Rice in the two
It’s the United fan in me but Rashford and Mainoo did very well in that counter press, they both rushed back into a double team and Rashy tackle was what deflected it to Dunk should’ve done more in that scenario to keep possession back imo. Just saying.
A: the English media
We need to actually try and put the ball in the opposition net rather than keep it as close to the center circle as possible. We play keepball not football.
Southgate needs to be fired
Maguire cannot thrive in this high press system because of his lack of pace, maybe they should groom Konza or recall Tommori who has pace. Southgate should make either the right back or left back to invert that's why it's a shame White is not in this team because he plays this system of high press brilliantly and also has a telepathic understanding with Saka which can be used in international games.
Simple, sack the manager and hire a guy like Mourinho, Tuchel or even Klopp for just this tournament.
People we have Fikayo Tomori CB as an option and he still insists on that slabhead Quagsire, Ti's a joke.
It isn't just about getting the best out of Bellingham, though. Two high 8s and an inverted full back/Stones style Liberio is the way the best team in World football do it. We don't even need to "copy" it. We actually have players to play it. As good as Paqueta, Gomes and Bruno are they don't play for Real Madrid, Arsenal and City. I expect better from England and so does the full nation.
Thoughts on Ross Barkley being a potential partner for Rice in the double pivot?
what about maddison ten times the player rice is
The elephant in the room: you cannot be a pressing side with Maguire in the team. Period.
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I know football is fully locked in on pressing tactics but I’ll be honest it just seems like Southgate is forcing this to appeal to English supporters constantly groaning about the dull play. I think the counter attack type of play suits them far better and in a knockout tournament it almost feels like an advantage to seize opportunities rather than leaving yourself open. The problem England kept having was coming up against superstar national teams and not having young players developed fully yet. You now have an experienced bunch of Saka, Foden, Bellingham, Rice, and of course Kane. Focus on getting the defense stuck in and sharp and let your stars create moments.
And that right there is why Southgate always calls upon Jordan Henderson 😤
Well, yeah, at his best he was one of the best off-the-ball midfielders in Europe. I think he's past it now but you can see why the temptation to keep him in the squad persists when that profile's so important.
Strangely though I don't like Henderson because I think he is past it, I found myself wishing Southgate would bring him on in place of Gallagher because I was disappointed by Gallagher 's game. Southgate should muster courage and play Mainoo there...
Southgate is the biggest problem facing the England team…
I do think Gallagher is the way to go. Having played CAM for Chelsea, I think he might just need the last couple games before the Euros to find into the position a bit better. Also other comments have already pointed out that Bellingham profits from Real not always playing a ST while England have plenty. Gallagher and Bellingham on the 8 with Rice behind them and football will be coming home. Gets the best out of Gallagher and, unless you planned on using Bellingham as a second ST, he's not any worse off in return.
To be honest… should just swap out Rice for Mainoo and Jones for Gallagher. Try this out during friendlies instead of struggling for combos when tournament start
the Euros will be the judge, the other thing to take not is other teams could look at this game and find a weakness esp in that CB pairing.