Is drafting Keon Coleman enough for Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills passing game in 2024?
The wide receiver conversation has dominated the discourse around the Buffalo Bills for the entire offseason. After trading away Stefon Diggs and losing Gabe Davis in free agency, the most meaningful moves made by general manager Brandon Beane has been signing Curtis Samuel and drafting Keon Coleman. Is this enough? On today’s, Joe Marino explores that very topic. The show is focused on the Buffalo Bills, NFL Draft, 2024 NFL Draft, Brandon Beane, Josh Allen, Sean McDermott, Joe Brady, Bobby Babich, Keon Coleman, Curtis Samuel, Mack Hollins, Khalil Shakir, Dalton Kincaid, James Cook, Dawson Knox, Stefon Diggs, Gabe Davis, Tyler Boyd, Hunter Renfrow, Quintez Cephus, DJ Chark, Michael Gallop, Odell Beckham and more!
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Hate the fact people either overlook or disrespect Shakir. Shakir did everything Diggs didn't do in the 2nd half of the season last year. He has done everything he is asked to do plus he gets YAC
Shakir had the highest catch rate in the league last year if I’m not mistaken. I’ve believed in him ever since we’ve drafted him. He is SOLID
This reminds me of last year when many thought the Bills didn’t do enough at MLB and how Bernard wasn’t a fit to replace Edmunds. Yet Bernard was a stud last season, and arguably an upgrade over Edmunds
We did run out of line backers.
@@adamluloff9602Not much you can do when you start with nice depth and then have a worst case scenario apocalypse of injuries.
To be honest I think even mediocre MLB's have success in McDermott's defense. Baylon Spector out of Clemson looked just as good as Bernard when he played. Bernard isn't anything special
@@joeschmoe435Not really baylon wasn't really that good. He had moments but he was missing that dog that Bernard has. The instincts and ball hawk skill that Bernard carries with him. Baylon is just not even the same kinda player.
@@hairpunut Baylon only started 1 game and he looked great. Nearly had 2 fumble recoveries on opposite sidelines. Dude never gives up on any play and constantly runs to the ball. He was an animal at Clemson and I think he would do just as good as Bernard if not better starting at MLB
Everybody is ignoring the potential Shakir and Samuel already bring. People can’t shut up about not getting a fast guy… Shakir is plenty fast… but Sanuel ran the 40 in 4.31! He’s faster than everybody in draft except Worthy!
If the end of last season was any indication of Joe Brady's offense this year, I think Samuel is a better fit than Diggs. By no means am I saying Samuel is a better WR, just a better fit. I think it will work out nicely. Shakir and Samuel working the inside and Coleman on the boundary and Kincaid, Knox and Cook all over the place. I think for a Joe Brady offense we are in good shape
Remember John Ross #bust so im not worried
@@CharlesWells-mm8hs that's similar to how I feel. I think now we have a bunch of specialists who all pose very different types of threats - instead of heavily pushing the ball to one guy who is supposed to do everything. For the price, we didn't get what we needed out of Diggs - as great as Diggs can be. I bet Diggs will do great with the Texans - but I'm not going to be surprised when the Bills and Allen continue to function at top level without him too.
Here is the thing we have to stop putting unrealistic expectations on players
Curtis Samuel has hit a lot of tread on his tires since the 4.31, I’m sure he is still game speed fast but more he pushes it seems to lead to some type injuries every year
Mack Hollins 6' 4" Keon Coleman 6' 3" Justin Shorter 6' 4" Dalton Kinkaid 6' 4" Big awesome receivers! Go Bills!!!!!!!
Shorter won't play. Kincaid is a TE. Hollins is trash. Coleman can't get separation, sucks against press and man, has no burst at the 2nd level. Terrible receiving room
@@joeschmoe435 This will age like milk
Gnarly
@@joeschmoe435 Coleman is great against zone and he will face Zone plenty, he can improve on getting seperation, Pff has his play speed in the 93rd percentile. Anyone can put up a bad 40 time. Plenty of slower Recievers with size have been good, Keenan Allen, Deandre Hopkins, Devante Adams.. Those are some of the top guys, especially in their primes. . All had similar times.. None 6'4 prob none playing in the 93rd percentile for speed but i cant say for sure.
Will be surprised if Shorter makes the team let alone plays.. bottom 5 WR room, 8-10 win season
Coleman, Shorter, Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid.. 👌💪
Trash
@@joeschmoe435at least you self identify with the quality of your football opinions.
We are fine, we have good WR's. We will see a high powered big man offense this year. We went full bully mode. James Cook, Ty Johnson, Ray Davis is a great RB room. Knox, Kincaid, Quintin Morris is a solid TE room. Our Oline just got bigger. Joe Brady requested a bulldozer and thats what he got. This is going to be a really fun offense to watch.
The addition of the undrafted WR Xavier Johnson looks fantastic, he looks impressive running the ball
Given the cap situation and the draft pick situation this year, I felt replacing Diggs and Davis was a two year process. Not to mention they had other roster spots to fill. I believe Coleman will be an upgrade over Davis. Next year with their abundance of picks, they'll let Miller go, draft a WR1 and get a DE. I'm curious to see this team in 2024. They don't have Davis, who had 0 catches in 5 different games last year, and they don't have Diggs and his precipitous drop off in production in the 2nd half. They may run the ball a little more but Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, and Coleman should be fairly good too.
damn i’ve been waiting all damn day for this
I was a hiring manager for a long time. And I learned that chemistry and attitude produces better results than talent. If this is the approach the Bills are taking with the WR core, I have confidence it’ll yield positive results.
True, people tend to forget that true physical prowess alone, will not cut it in the hyper-competitive NFL. One thing I do respect greatly about the Bills organization, is their prioritization of character, in their personnel decisions. We may not field the biggest team, but we definitely field the "best" team every year, lol. Go Bills!
I’m in love with this kid already😅🦬I can’t wait to watch him ball out! Go Bills!
Kincaid and Shakir are gone have monster seasons. They are gone take over this offense.
Didn’t Josh Allen also say he wanted Ken Dorsey as Offensive Coordinator?
Valid!
Are you saying Diggs kinda checked out in the latter part of the season, or was it because of some of the other players Allen started targeting more…?
A major issue last year was the lack of *quality* depth around the defense…so many injuries to an already over achieving roster hurt - seems like this draft was mainly about adding young quality rotational depth knowing the cap was going to be a major hinderance in adding difference makers That said - i think Carter, & Van-Pran were the best picks. I see Van-Pran as the starting C sooner rather than later, 2 years tops
Well if josh has the chemistry he had with stefon nobody will be fussing but if hes a bust thatll affect the future so it cant hurt to try his way
I've been SCREAMING for Shakir since we drafted him...dude is a BEAST! I think the inside outside versatility of Shakir, Samuel, Coleman, and Kincaid for that matter will be very useful for Brady to scheme up some excitement.
I do NOT BELIEVE that Josh Allen said he "wanted Keon Coleman above ALL receivers." I just don't. Full stop. !!! Josh is a smart guy and there is NO WAY he would have said "I want Keon Coleman AND NOT Marvin Harrison Jr., Rome Odunze, or Malik Nabers" (and maybe even Brian Thomas Jr.). What I could believe, however, is that Brandon Beane told Josh that the top 3 guys (Harrison, Odunze, and Nabers) are completely off the table because we will NOT spend the amount of draft capital it would take this year (AND NEXT YEAR) to go get one of them, PLUS we have lots of holes to fill and a tight salary cap during this transition to a younger, cheaper team ... and we need as many inexpensive drafted players as we can get, so that's another reason why we will NOT me making a big move to trade up. Given that scenario, IF Brian Thomas falls into our lap at #28, that's who we'll be taking UNLESS you tell me you are strongly opposed to playing with him and why (which Josh would never do). Given those PRELIMINARY GROUND RULES, I can THEN see Beane asking Josh Allen somethomg along the lines of "given what I've outlined about the team constraints and needs and who will likely be available, WHO IS YOUR TOP RECEIVER that YOU WANT [among all the receivers available after the first 4] ???" THAT is what I believe was the likely predicate that first happened BEFORE Josh would have said "I want Coleman." I say this as NO disrespect to Coleman ... but let's be real !!!
Joe my thoughts exactly! I'm a Bills homer for sure, but like you I'm brutally honest. Everytime I come across a Bills fan with ridiculous takes or whatever. I always encourage them to watch and hopefully subscribe to your podcast. Every fan I got to listen to you have enjoyed your takes, and they have a better outlook on the team. Keep it up bud!
This is the best RECEIVER CORE (including TE's and RB's) Allen has ever had
Lol you serious Clark?
@@HatrickEwing dead serious.
@@Deandre-gq6mg not even close. Bottom 3 WR group in the league.
@@HatrickEwing get off the crackpipe
@@Deandre-gq6mg was thinking the same about you 😅
I dunno, I gotta say, we have an outstanding front office and organization. In Beane I trust!
I for one am pumped that we got a big guy who can box someone out and still make a catch. No need to make body catches. Not since T O have we had a guy like that
Don't sleep on Justin Shorter!!! I think he'll have a break out year!
What evidence is there of this? He was a late round draft pick and did nothing as a rookie
Joe-this was a proper perspective…thanks! Each year I enjoy yours & Bruce’s re-picks. However, it would be more entertaining imho if you and he reviewed your past picks….to see which of the picks could be productive.👍🏻
I’d be very curious to hear you talk to Matt Harmon of Reception Perception about Keon Coleman. Thanks for the work you do Joe!
I thought that was a brilliant analysis by him. Personally agree that Coleman can't have success as an outside WR. Big slot guy is his best bet. Sucks because we needed a WR1 or WR2 and didn't get one
@@joeschmoe435wow one guy didn't like a draft pick even though dozens of others had him with a 1st round grade. You seem like the confirmation bias kind of guy when fishing for information.
There is a lot to be learned about fans from this pick. The flip floping I have seen in the comment sections on the internet is unreal. When Coleman got picked at 33 the hate was to a level I have rarely seen. Beane was public enemy #1. Coleman has a press conference where he hits it out of the park and comes off very likable. The comments did a 180 and people where literary saying he is going to go to the hall of fame. All of this before the guy has played a snap in the nfl. I'm not saying that these were the exact same people, but the court of public opinion tends to gain momentum very quickly. To me, this should be embarrassing. This same type thing almost got McDermott fired last season. A whole lot of people thinking with their emotions and not there brains. Man, just relax and let things play out a little bit. Everyone involved is owed at least that much. Oh yeah, let's go bills!
I hate the pick. Love the personality. I'm skeptical but I'm going to rooting for him to be the best WR the Bills have ever had.
The over-emoting is real, lol. I was leaning toward Legette, but I had a favorable view on Keon before we drafted him. The more I see of the kid, the more I like. Hoping he explodes in Buffalo!
Coleman + Kincaid and Shakir getting increased target share + Samuel I’m good with that. If we get more? Cool If not? I’m good with this
Everyone is forgetting about K.J. Hamler and He's 4.27 speed. Fits the Deonte Harty role perfect.
One additional receiver. One additional edge. That should work and should be cap able.
After June 1st. Extra millions will open up. Edge first though. Next year we can go for a Justin Jefferson-like trade if we want to. We'll have the picks and the cap room. Imagine that.
Josh should get what he wants at WR because he has to be comfortable with the guy he throws to and that Josh is taking more owner ship of the offense as he should and every body wanted him to
I can honestly say Keon wasn't in my top 11 of WRs. I would have been happier staying at 32 and taking Legette, but then I would have been fine with McConkley, Mitchell, or Wilson at 33. But what do I know.
I too, ...was hoping for Legette. But!!! I have convinced myself that Coleman really is a stud in the making. Here it goes: The more I see of him the more I like. There definitely is not a WR in this draft class with better body-control or catching ability, period. Kid is a freak-athlete type of build. I think they actually hit on this pick. A 4.6 40 time isn't blazing, but his game tape speed passes the eye test, and he is definitely no sluggard. He can stretch the field. He is also very raw in development, and young, so he has quite the ceiling if he puts his mind to it. Besides separation complaints and route limitations (rawness), I don't see a single weakness in the rest of his profile. So, ...if he can develop a bit, Buffalo struck gold. And if not, well, at least Beane can blame Josh if TSHTF, lol.
Very good Joe as a management professional and having learned leadership at West Point. I can tell you getting input from everyone and letting everyone have ownership is the best way to get success. It works in the army every time it’s been.
Good Morning Joe may your family and you enjoy a peaceful prosperous day
Keon can return punts also. I feel the wide receiver room is better than last year because Shakir Samuels and Coleman are more athletic and catch the ball better. Keon brings personality to the room. Shakir working with Andre this summer. Samuels never has had a QB as good as Josh. To me the Bills will have 3 receivers over 1000 yards. Kincaid is going to be good. Raye the running back and Cook. Joe what about the center they drafted.. Great show Joe
Allen cant wait until training camp. Needs to get to lab and get together with this new group of WR. Get a head start.
I am very excited about this upcoming year mainly because of the mental state of our quarterback. Josh Allen no longer has to worry about forcing the ball to a cry baby receiver. And everybody has to remember we have a good core. We have Shakir, Kurtis Samuel ,Dawson Knox ,Dalton Kincaid ,James Cook coming out the backfield and we just drafted Coleman. I'm ready.
We finally have a good balance of size and speed at wideout. Josh will do well this year, trust me lol... Hollins, Coleman, Knox and Kincaid offer excellent big-target/red-zone potential, while Samuel, Shakir and Cook offer good speed. On paper, our receiving corps doesn't look like much. Playing out in my head though, I see some great potential, ...and that's assuming we don't add anyone else between now and September. The Samuel/Hollins signing was silently a huge move, in my books. We replaced the Diggs/Davis hole with younger, cheaper talent. And I love me some Curtis Samuel, dude is going to be special with Josh. Gonna be a fun year of highlights, to be sure...
A little off topic but Javon Solomon was a steal in the 5th round. Dallas Turner is supposed to be the top defensive player in the draft and was the 2nd defensive player selected. Javon is the same weight, about the same arm length and actually has bigger hands but is 6’1” and DT is 6’3”. Turner’s numbers are a little better at the combine but Solomon had better production in sacks by far. Again, a steal in the 5th round.
I'm really excited about him!!! Great guy too.
You use the Word ease, very wise, Mr. Joe Marino. Go bills.
Great podcast with a focus on optimism. Plenty of speed with Samuel, Hamler, and Isabella. Not to mention Shakir has 4.4 speed and Hollins is a 4.5 guy.
This is the 1st receiver picked above the 4th round in Josh Allen's entire stint with the Bills. He deserves better
Diggs was equivalent of a first rounder, c’mon
@@jonseip3378Bills didn't draft Diggs & thats in what will be 8 years, nowhere close to good enough the WR room is 🗑 is what a step away from 🗑 last year with Diggs on the roster, this team ain't winning 💩 this year
@@jcZo23put some more emojis in there, it makes your shit takes much more palatable. They've got a fine WR room. I would've preferred the double dip, but they obviously didn't think much of the guys we fans liked for them. Whole league let those guys drop well past round 3. Coleman has a skill set that Allen has never had. Timed speed is overrated. Dude was returning punts at his size. Insanely low drop rate. Samuel and Shakir are both very good separators with speed and good hands. Then you get to guys like Kincaid, Cook, Knox. That's a lot of quality options.
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@@peterwilson4865 I agree, on paper our receiving corps looks pretty anemic. But functionally speaking, it makes a bit more sense. Outside of adding one more true speed option, I am actually optimistic with what we currently have. Keon will be a solid target for Josh, and I believe Kincaid will become the primary target in Brady's system. Who knows? But it will be fun to watch, ...that I am sure of. The Samuel/Hollins acquisition was a huge move, in my books. Two young, solid, reliable, and savvy veterans who fill the hole left by Diggs and Davis. I would say that you could legitimately argue that we are in a better spot now than last year, if not equally competitive. Only time will tell, I guess
I admit that Coleman was not who I wanted, due to the separation issues Joe talked about. Of course, I'm gonna root for him now and hope things work out. Also, I like the idea of "empowering" Josh, but to a certain extent. We don't want to become the Jets where the QB thinks he's the GM.
i'd love to see JA17 get extra work with the new guys after voluntary workout and ota's. I feel like he needs to step up as our leader.
Well Joe atleast all the skepticism will atleast grow the channel. There’s a lot of fans really dissatisfied with Beanes draft and not going to lie he asked for it by drafting only 1 WR. In maybe the deepest WR draft in my lifetime. But it’s nothing new the Bills and the Bucs are the only team to disregard the WR position within the first 3 rounds.
LETS GOOO. What an episode. Here is my take: The passing game is better than last year
I think Brandon Beane knows what Josh Allen needs more than Josh Allen knows what Josh Allen needs personally. If it was close and the tiebreaker was Josh's personal opinion that's fine but I didn't have it particularly close.
This offense will run through Kincaid. He’s the true #1. All our wr’s will be complimentary pieces that average 5 targets a game unless they have a mismatch. Coleman will have a ton of TD’s though. He will be a redzone monster
So many people have said "I'm not comparing him to Kelce," lol, well, I will. Kincaid is potentially better now, and is only improving. Call me biased, lol. I get the feeling our offense will run through him, and other teams will be having fits trying to stop him. Seeing as we finally have a good blend of size and speed at WR, the offensive options are nearly limitless. Should be a fun offense to watch. Like, ...reallllllllly fun. Like " I just peed a little thinking about it," kinda fun, lol
I like the idea of Slayton. I noticed you didnt mention Courtland Sutton. Is he feasible oe too much?
There was a stat that everyteam since josh allen had been drafted has drafted a reciever in The first two rounds except for the bills and titans. I think we need to keep trying. Get your best player sll the pieces he needs
I think if Coleman ends up being consistent pro bowl caliber it will skyrocket an already praised big daddy bean. He made a pick after trading out of first round that every other team in the nfl passed on. This is on the most needed team position the bills have had in his tenure (other than Qb in 17). Dude needs an X-Large jock strap if ya know what I’m sayin
Big and physical receivers can’t wait for the season to start. Go Bills
Will be interesting to see who ends up with the more effective WR corp between Bills & Jags this year considering it'll be Gabe Davis & Brian Thomas on their boundary. Hope they plummet & Bills are a revelation.
We do need somebody at OBD do explain how the QB that has not worked well and had avoided throwing to guys that lack separation, all of a sudden becomes the exact wr they identified as the one. Its not just Coleman, its his profile, and its the pattern Allen and the Bills have put forward that makes it so confusing.
Hasn’t it been reported that Allen said he wanted to play with Coleman? And where has all this “separation” been in the divisional round of the playoffs?
Coleman has better hands then most of those others he does a lot of things well and a lot better then Davis and other WR bills had and bills havent had a WR than can win contested catches the way coleman can and his athleticism and great hands thats why
@@Ballin-97 which is why it would be odd to go after a receiver that is even worse at it
@@robertschoelerman7496 i get that narrative, 2023 contested catch rate 33% is actually trash. He was good at it in 2022. Not sure thats what I want my #1 wr to be. But if thats what they want, just its an odd trait profile
@@joshuaball2102 or maybe it would be more effective to have a big bodied WR to get the ball even if covered instead of having a WR disappear like Diggs would do most playoff games despite his elite separation ability. And it’s also not like the Bills didn’t address separation skills at all this offseason because they got Samuel
Was Coleman the WR Allen wanted, or was he "One of" the WRs he wanted? If Coleman was indeed the guy and Allen told Beane that, why do you risk trading back twice with two teams that clearly wanted a WR?? Keep in mind the Panthers met with Coleman so theres reason to think they could had grabbed him. Compare that to last year where we traded up for the guy Allen wanted in Kincaid, and i question if Coleman was specific WR he wanted and more of "one of" the WRs he wanted.
I've heard he was "one of" and that makes the most sense. I believe Josh told Beane, "these are the guys I really like, ..in this order" and Beane was like "Cool, I'll see what I can do." I could be wrong here, but it seems fairly logical from my perspective, at least
Where can I watch/hear this podcast live?
Bills signed WR Quintez Cephus. His tape looks awesome. Could be the sleeper signing of the year.
The optimism for this receivers group reminds me of the optimism for hardy and the other guy whose name I have forgotten already. They contributed virtually nothing. Some were optimistic that Gabe Davis would be a good #2 receiver and he pulled his usual disappearing act for half the season. MAYBE Coleman had a great rookie season and plays like a WR 1 or 2, but he did a 2nd half disappearing act in his last year in college similar to Diggs and Davis with the bills.. MAYBE Samuel breaks his best year of 800 yds. MAYBE Shakir plays like he did in the second half of last season without a superstar (maybe more on reputation than on actual ability last year) wr like Diggs drawing a ton of attention. Way too many maybes to think the Bills are good at WR. I like Coleman, but I doubt he's ready to be a #1 or even #2 wr as a rookie. Samuel and Shakir are good slot receivers, they are not #1 or #2 wr. They needed a #2 last year and when they struggled with the passing game it was painfully obvious. It was painfully obvious in the KC game. Now realistically they need a 1 and 2. This is probably the slowest wr group in the league. You have a QB with a cannon arm but nobody who is good at going deep? That's freaking crazy imo. They already have been asking Allen to do everything, now they don't even give him an established superstar wr or even a guy who can stretch defenses. This is yet another failure of beane to provide Allen with quality wr's and we are in year 7? Unbelievable. Name me a wr group that is worse than the Bills - you can't do it with a straight face.
2020 wants your "Superstar" WR Diggs back bro lol 😆 try to be positive because there are plenty of analytics showing we should be.
As I read your post it got worse lol you k ow what was painfully obvious in that Chiefs game? Our decimated defense with AJ Klein guarding Kelce who had 2 tds. What else was "painfully obvious" from that game bro? How about Diggs and Sherfield drippinh 60 yard dimes from Josh. U feel me? You know what was most memorable from that game aside of Josh putting the team on his back? Khalil Shakir stepping up and being the only WR all 2023 regular season and playoffs to beat Chiefs All-Pro Lajarius Sneed for a TD AND Shakir would've caught the go ahead TD also, if Dawkins didn't get backed into Allen via Chris Jones or if Allen could've slid slightly to the right before firing that pass. Trust.
PS: I can name at least half the league plus that are worse off dude. Your exaggerated negativity on Bills and their WR core comes from the corrupt, woke, biased mainstream sports media talking heads and those above them. They hate the small market Bills and lavish other more preferred teams and players with undue praise.
Just curious... any thoughts, Joe, on Frank Gore, Jr.? I think he's a solid running addition.
Do a quick segway before all the ads to break things up, just a thought since right now they make it hard to listen
I think the YAC ability of this room compared to last years is going to make a huge difference, both Gabe and Diggs did not offer a whole lot after the catch, and now with an increased role for Shakir, and the addition of Samuel and Coleman, should have some really exciting YAC plays and rely less on Josh pin pointing 30+ yard bombs for all of our big plays
Most of Josh's throws didn't allow yac. Perhaps that was a result of the design of the routes. Either way, the ball wasn't placed in a spot where yac was possible. IMO
@@SuperiorAllah I noticed this as well. Wonder if it was designed or coincidence?
I think it all depends on Joe Brady’s new offense. They will bring 1 or 2 more before the regular season starts.
TBH, I was really leaning toward Legette in the draft, but after doing some digging, and then hearing Josh's stamp of approval, ...I have finally relegated myself to the position that the Bills made a very solid pick, lol. Keon has freak-athlete ability, for sure, and there is not a better WR in the class at catching the ball, period. I have to say, even before the Bills drafted Keon, I think Beane may have made the biggest move of all in signing WR's Curtis Samuel and Mack Hollins. Both are underrated, solid, reliable veterans, and Samuel and Hollins arguably replaced Diggs and Davis at a much reduced price tag (minus the 30mil Diggs stole, lol). My point being, I think Samuel (who I have always loved) and Hollins (to a lesser extent) will make a huge impact this year with a much better QB at the helm. Samuel is great for short/intermediate, and Hollins is a versatile big-framed savvy receiver and an excellent red-zone target for Josh. Add in Keon and James Cook, Shakir and our TE's and, yeah, ....we may actually be set at wideout (for now). I can certainly see Josh getting to the playoffs with this group. You run an excellent Bills podcast Joe, thank you and keep up the great work!!!
5:12 “how much would it have impacted your rankings?” - 10% at most. I love Josh & his input *DOES* matter, but bro also wanted Ken Dorsey 🤷♂️
We were all frustrated with Diggs and Davis dropping passes last season. One thing Coleman does have is reliable hands. He might not have posted the best 40 time, but I'm excited to see what he can do once he and Josh have some time to gel. We have Samuel as a burner to stretch defenses vertically, Shakir as a slot weapon, and Kincaid entering year two. Let's see what Joe Brady can cook up with those guys.
Bills still need to add another quality WR in free agency. Josh Allen needs all the weapons he can get.Go Bills!
All that matters is OC's play calling and execution. If SF can move the ball with Purdy the Bills have enough weapons with Allen?
Keon Coleman played basketball- great hands. I remember watching another ex basketball player in San Diego- Antonio Gates- not fast, didn't separate well from DB's BUUUUUT- he caught 116 TD's- sounds good to me:)
He really is like a "Diet" TE, lol. One thing I can say, (especially since I wanted Legette, lol), is that Keon definitely has the best hands and body-control in the draft. Just impressive. This alone gives me some confidence. It also doesn't hurt that he is a freak-athlete in every single area besides track-speed, and is very young and unpolished. A lot of potential there. Really could be a monster WR1, we'll just have to wait and see...
And as others have pointed out, Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 40 time, and he got plenty of separation when he needed to. I've watched Keon's game tape, and as for the eye-test, his speed checks out fine. He will be good with the Bills. He might just be great. It will be fun to watch this offense move, ...that I know for certain
@@seanguitarman5594 All I can remember are Gabe Davis drops and I LOVE Keon Coleman.
How much contract money did Beane save in cap space by moving from 28 to 33? Please include the cost for moving up on the later picks.
Go Bills!
does anyone know how to submit questions for herd mentality?
They moved back twice, and 3 receivers went before they picked again. If Coleman were the only guy that Allen "wanted," and he was "their" guy, they would have just taken him at 28. There were probably multiple players who Allen "liked," and they're just spinning a narrative after the fact. I'm fine with it, and I love Samuel. They have very little depth at the position,unfortunately.
The move back added a 3rd round pick that they didn't have
@SuperiorAllah I liked the moves, but they couldn't have been sure that Coleman would've still been there. So, it's disingenuous to suggest that Coleman was "their guy" or "Josh's favorite," etc. If they had so much conviction, they'd have selected Coleman at 28. They were actually trying to trade up for Bishop and got him anyway. Interesting draft for sure.
Joe, I agree with you 100% that Keon Coleman is a BETTER receiver prospect that Gabe Davis ("just outside" Round 1 as the top pick of the 2nd Round, I would hope and expect that he would be a better prospect than 4th Round Gabe Davis) ... and that he's the perfect replacement for Gabe Davis (especially on sideline and endzone "jump ball" routes); indeed, Gabe used to infuriate me because MOST (not "all," but certainly most) of the times when Allen would throw an interception WHILE throwing to Gabe Davis, the pick WAS GABE'S FAULT: Gabe CHRONICALLY FAILED to "protect the pass route/throw" by doing at least one of these three things: 1. He would FAIL to use his body to "box out" the defender and shield the incoming ball from a defensive play. Had he done so, at a minimum those interceptions/costly drive killing turnovers would NOT have occurred ... AND 80%-90% of the time he also would have DRAWN a DEFENSIVE PASS INTERFERENCE PENALTY because the derfender would have had to go through Gabe's body to attempt to make a play on the ball. But Gabe lazily didn't position himself to protect the QB's throw, and he thereby allowed the DBs to cut in front and either tip up or outright pick-off the pass; 2. On square-outs, dig routes, and even some drags across the middle, he would FAIL to come back towards the football to make the attempted catch -- which is another form of the above failure to use his body to shield the ball from the defender) -- which was especially maddening when he saw Josh was scrambling or in trouble. He would either just stand there or lazily drift away ... which, again, allowed the defender to undercut the route and make a successful defensive play on the ball (interception or knock-down); and/or 3. He would run the wrong route/not know what he was supposed to be doing ... which led to "busted playes" on offense and Josh trying to force the ball to where he thought Gabe was going to go. This is NOT to say Gabe Davis was a "terrible" receiver. He certainly had his great moments. But he was NOT reliable or trustworthy as a go-to #2 receiver. So here's my problem: IF we now have a "BETTER" replacement for Gabe Davis, that's GREAT ... BUT it STILL leaves the Bills WITHOUT a reliable, fast, "difference-making" WR #1 !!!!!!!!!! The Bills MUST find that person before the season, or I suspect the Bils will not win the division ... and without winning the division, the Bills will LIKELY NOT make the playoffs because our wild card qualifying record will NOT be "good enough" compared to other teams who have improved themselves greatly. NEXT YEAR we MUST get a #1 WR who can take the top off defenses and make them r4espect Josh Allen's deep ball instead of unilaterally surrendering that capability we're allowing to go unused.
Great show Joe! Can't wait to see this team totally ball out and prove "bills wr core is trash" mentality wrong. It's barely been 3 days since the draft and I'm already sick of hearing that especially since there's MONTHS to go before kickoff
@5:02 what happened last time when JA wanted KD as offensive coordinator ? If that turned out good, then i am ok with this pick
The thing I remember most about that Denver game isn’t “12 men on the field” No… it was 3 Josh Allen turnovers that led to 13 points, in a game the Bills lost by 2! 🤷🏼 But when your paycheck relies on catering to Allen cultist.. you tend to intentionally forget about those things.
Yeah he did have 3 turnovers but he is also the reason this team has been a Super Bowl contender the past few years he also led the league in touchdowns & how many qbs can turn the ball over 3 times in a game & still have a chance to win maybe if the oc ran the ball more on a team that couldn’t stop the run then Josh wouldn’t have had 3 turnovers
@@JT-mn2op Cook fumbled the ball on the first play from scrimmage which put 3 more points on the board for Denver. He fumbled again in the fourth quarter but recovered it. The defense is the only reason the Bills had a chance to win that game. Denver’s offense only generated one drive that crossed the 50 yard line that they scored points on. Allen finished the game with 177 yards passing, 1 TD, 2 picks, 1 fumble and a QBR of 30.7 That’s a Zack Wilson type stat line homie. And as far as Allen being the ONLY reason this team has contended for a SB … let’s not forget that Allen was 1-7 ( including playoffs) against teams that scored more than 21 points in 2023. The Bills defense held 11 teams to 21 or less. Let’s not also forget that the Bills defense carried the team in the 2022 wildcard game against Miami were Allen had 3 turnovers one of which was a scoop and score fumble. Allen’s turnovers in that game Resulted in 17 Miami points. Or the Baltimore divisional playoff game were Allen didn’t show up and Taron Johnson had to win the game on a 101 yard pick 6 on Lamar Jackson.
@@mazzvidz I see u left out the chiefs game when Josh out played mahomes & was 13 seconds from makin the super bowl but the defense blew it. Look it’s a team game Josh has made plays that can’t many qbs make & the defense has bailed him out a few times but for the most part Josh has carried the team a lot u must 4got he jus got a run game he is relied on to much in the pass & run game.
Josh has a 21 touchdowns & 4 pics in the playoffs in 10 games
@@JT-mn2op That’s false.. the 13 seconds game was in the divisional round… not the AFC championship. Allen would have still had to beat the Bengals to get to a SB… he’s never beaten the Bengals. In the AFC championship loss to the Chiefs in the 2020 season.. Allen choked and peed down his leg.
Can you do rookie free agent video
Curtis Samuel is gonna be really good for us
The separation that Coleman gets is he is 6'4" and has a crazy a vertical jump. He can separate from guys by going up and getting the ball. I am concerned about Josh throwing them up like that. Seems like a bad recipe to me. Very much hope I'm wrong.
Josh also wanted Dorsey as OC
I hope Joe sees this cause it took a reasonable amount of time, and I think it will put a lot of Bills fans' minds at ease. All the numbers I used are regular season and don't include the playoff games. I went through the production the Bills lost from players leaving and tried to figure out where it would go. Targets=T, Receptions=R: Diggs- T=160, R=107 ; Gabe Davis- T=81, R=45 ; Sherfield- T=22, R=11 ; Harty- T=21, T=15 ; Murray- T=22, R=17 ; Total- T=306, R=195 We added Coleman, Curtis Samuel, Hollins and Ray Davis. I'm projecting Coleman to replace Gabe's production, Hollins and Shorter to replace Sherfield and Harty's production. Ray Davis to replace Murray's production. Diggs I split between Samuel (50%), Shakir (18.75%), Kincaid (12.5%), Knox (12.5%) and Cook (6.25%). The percentages being the percentage of Diggs's T and R added to what they did in 2023, except for Samuel who had roughly 50% of Diggs's production level at Washington last year. The projected target share is as follows: (In brackets are how much they had last year) Kincaid: T=111 (91 in 2023), R=87 (73 in 2023) Coleman: T=81 , R=45 Shakir: T=75 (45), R=59 (39) Samuel: T=80 (91), R=53 (62) Cook: T=64 (54), R=50 (44) Knox: T=56 (36), R=36 (22) Hollins: T=21 (30), R=15 (18) Shorter: T=22, R=11 Ray Davis, T=22, R=17 I think this is a very realistic look at the target share for this team next year. It obviously won't work out exactly like this and some of the numbers can be shifted around, but for the most part this is probably what it will look like at the end of the season. I would hope Coleman can be at least as good and Gabe. It sucks losing Diggs, but as you can see we are able to replace his production with our guys. Knox would be back up to roughly what he had in 2022, Samuel would have roughly the same production he's had over the past several years, and you would have a slight increase for Shakir, Kincaid and Cook which I think is expected. During the draft I really wanted another receiver, and maybe we add a free agent, but there aren't that many available targets for another guy. He would primarily be an injury insurance.
I don't think there's any chance Shorter makes the 53 man roster. He legit sucks and is just a lottery ticket type of guy. He was garbage in training camp and preseason. I think Hamler has a better chance of making the team if finally healthy than shorter. Solid breakdown otherwise though.
@@peterwilson4865 To be honest I needed to throw a guy in for 20 targets. If you want to say Hamler, who Beane sounded high in in his press conference, then you can sub him in. Realistically that is going to be more of a special teams guy.
@@rickybucheli4264 I gotcha. That was my only nitpick and only because he's a low key popular name amongst bills fans with no basis at all.
Diggs (165) -> Samuel (90) Davis (81) -> Coleman (75) Shakir (45) -> Shakir (81) Harty (21) -> Isabella (20) Sherfield (23) -> Hollins (25) Kincaid (90) -> Kincaid (120) Knox (35) -> Knox (50) TOTAL = (460) -> (461) These are conservative estimates… why are people panicking so much? We are going to be okay!
If Samuel is getting majority of our receptions that is why people are panicking and those numbers aren't conservative they are well above the estimation
Great conversion what happens it Kincaid gets hurt….or Samuel/shakier…. Do You feel comfortable with shorter/ or Terrell shavers being a major piece of the offense I definitely don’t. Not only that but how do these guys do with more attention on them cuz 50% of the defense isn’t keyed in on Diggs? Beane tried to make Davis a wr 2 for 2 years, hes now hoping 3 guys can step into bigger roles. That’s why everyone’s pessimistic on this new look offense that’s lacking that dude when all else fails he will make a catch and get that 1st down on 3rd and 13.
Curtis Samuel best season is 75 receptions
I see Cook and Davis getting a few targets. The new guy Davis can catch a couple balls as I've seen.
Coleman and Samuels will share catches bills are spreading the ball around
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Gabe Davis lead the team in drops every year and also was Allen’s intended target on over 3/4s of his INTs. Obviously not saying the ints where all Davis fault but they where just not on the same page all the time. So Davis was not as big a loss as ppl wanna make it.
It's a retooling/restructure year. Lucky 2win Div. Doin what must b done. SB run, final yr @Rich, or new Stadium !? To quote Palpatine: Do What Must Be Done !!
Bills will win the division.
They're still easily the favorites to win the division. Jets are in complete desperation mode and will be demolished if they don't make some waves. Miami lost a lot more quality players than Buffalo did, but you don't hear the same narrative you do from the national media that you do with Buffalo. They're a top 5 AFC contender full stop.
Darius Slaton would do very well here in Buffalo 🦬
We still need a #1 receiver to draw double team.
I’m not upset something had to change Davis was no help the whole year and Diggs faded fast second half maybe from skills maybe on purpose who knows but a change was necessary..GO BILLS!!
I wanted thomas in a trade up or if we stayed put, i wanted adai Mitchell. Think he is going to be special.
Honestly, NO. In my opinion, the Bills need to add another receiver via signing a vet. He still be a rookie W/R that has to learn the playback, among other things. I hope I'm wrong and he surprise everyone 😮 I really do, but will 👀 what happens. Go Bills 👏 🤘 💪
Diggs was dropping shit on purpose he knew how to work his way out. Do was amazing but just a different type of person.
My theory is that Diggs was underperforming on purpose
I do not think that Coleman is enough and that is not a knock against him. I find it ironic that in a draft that was historically replete with quality receivers , they take JUST one. Come on.
Joe you were right, they should go get Terrance Marshall from CAROLINA
I think by middle of yr Ray Davis will be starter behind Cook.
He ( Keon ) reminds me of Tre White
Diggs turned in to poison for JA. The trade of Diggs was more about Josh...not the "sure-handed" Stefon.
Tape doesn't lie. EVERY YEAR we're all told that, and that combine is fluff (even though his combine was excellent in everything but 40) and EVERY year fans ignore great tape and get obsessed with the wrong guys. Coleman and Samuel will outperform last seasons Davis and diggs.
I agree the tape *doesnt lie* - which is why I’m so confused as to why you think he’s going to outperform Diggs next szn 💀
@@topleftfromtime diggs last 10 games were pretty bad. Did you not watch the video? But time will tell. Keep the receipts
@topleftfromtime but assuming you weren't trolling have you actually watched Coleman tape?
I think amongst Hamler, Isabella, Shorter, KeeSean Johnson and Shiver, the front office thinks one can make a roster spot or a trade for someone like Cortland Sutton is in play. WR corp is lacking but I don’t think it’s as horrible as a lot of fans think. At least we’re not the Chargers
It's not lacking. They go 5 deep with quality options. Hamler is worth rostering if he can finally stay healthy. Hollins is a high end WR5 and ST ace. I think there's a decent chance they intend to trade for someone or sign another decent vet to round out the room, but maybe not.
You should go a Jersey giveaway to the first commenter 😏😏
Love this draft, love Coleman and loved the move back to get him.