Whittaker & Volkanovski discuss Jon Jones' GOAT & Pound-for-Pound status - UFC 285 | Fox Sports AUS
2023 ж. 28 Ақп.
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Niko Pajarillo, Alex Volkanovski, Robert Whittaker discuss Jon Jones' legacy on Fight Week Australia.
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that sort of stuf and all that kinda stuff
Jon jones at 23 he was killing legends on there prime
Yeah steroids can do wonders
he was juiced up, cheating and fighting them past their prime.
23 year's won't be on juice, have some common sense . I don't believe he will want it , he's soo young 23.. He was new to the game and rely on his talent and hardwork
@@luvlybaluga So was pretty much all the guys he was against?
SURREAL GAINZ is by far bum COKE jones's toughest opponent but my money's on COKE with all the clean strikes he's landed on his wife's face, PICOCHUMP !!!!
Such a fan of Alex “The Great and all that type of stuff” Volkanovski
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🤣🤣🤣
DUN
We practice specifics and that typa stuff and uhh that’s it ya DUN
Bro that sentence+ west syd accent lives in my head rent free 😂
Take a shot every time Rob says pound for pound without actually saying anything 😂
Pound for pound what do it mean, pound for pound i dunno, pound for pound, what do that means? pound for pound bam bam is a speedy guy take a shot everytime they say "all that type of stuff" or "at the end of the day" if your not already drunk, I got heaps of love for australians at the end of the day and all that stuff
🤣🤣🤣 JFC I’m now absolutely trashed 🍸 🍸🍸
@@MrJuhs91 I'm fucking dead haha he literally kept saying those two sentences
I love these sitdowns with Rob and Volk 😁
yes sir...omega tons of fight iq right there.
Whittaker & Volkanovski = great commentators
Robert is growing into a great tv analyst lol
Jon Jones has always been the best p4p, the 🐐 of all time.
Jones always had a massive size advantage in his division, thats part of his success that he uses that size advantage well, skill for skill. Khabib, Makhachev or even Volk is better. They never had size advantage that Jones had, Jones always had a much longer reach than his opponents. Also Jones got caught using steroids as well.
@@timurjack8773 are you serious ??? Khabib and Islam are weight bullies they are huge for 155 .
@@timurjack8773 that all dissapears at heavyweight. So you got no argument if he destroys the heavyweight division as well.
Glad I found this channel! I love both these guys
Love to hear from these guys
Jon is 1 year older than Alex, lol.
They did volk dirty with that chair 😭😭😭 his lil legs just swinging 😭😭🥺
It's also the amazing range of difference of fighters Jon has met compare Machida an incredible karate counter-striker with DC an olympic wrestler, Rampage power puncher, and Chael Sonnen the greatest to ever lived
He's literally seen it all
This is the most underrated MMA analysis & build up show. I wonder why it doesn't get more views :( Screw p4p, if there was a Nicest MoFo rankings, Volk and Whittaker would be tied up at no.1 undisputedly!
Nicest mofo goes to Wonderboy
Wonderboy
Jon continuously mentioning wrestling to get into the head of Gane but when fight night comes Jons going to be focused on striking.
Or not haha
Didn’t age well
😂
Robert Whittaker and Max Holloway are the best Gatekeepers to a title we have ever had and bar none. It's is certainly nice to have Rob and Volks input on this. 2 amazing fighters with amazing IQ's.
Now this is something I like, these guys are definetly suited to have such an argument
I think the way to think about p4p is just in terms of skill gap between one fighter and the other fighters who weight the same as them. Because it’s skill per pound. The reason you don’t just say who’s the best fighter is because presumably a heavier fighter would beat a lighter fighter of equal skill so p4p exists to find who is the most skillful fighter relative to their weight.
You couldn't ask for two better fighters to talk about this topic. What a treat!
There's no one in combat sports right now that has a body of work as impressive as Bones'. Unblemished record too
Unblemished 😆
@@metalheadblues fight record aka his resume not his dumbshit
Reyes
Bro you beat the man you’re the man. I don’t care how great you are.
Whittaker: so what does p4p mean?? But what does p4p I mean p4p means what does p4p mean??
LOOK WHOS BACK.As an Aussie I will call it now.Bones wins & becomes H/W champ he going straight to the top of the tree as P4P #1,Dble champ.Title defences.His had more then some fighters have had fights.Bones looks in a good headspace,no distractions.No distractions cannot be beat.Welcome back big fella.
Love Alex and Rob...similar to Bones in mental intensity and intelligence!
My P4P criteria for MMA or Boxing - win streak, quality of competition, holds a title or interim belt, top 10 of their division
JJ is the UFC GOAT no discussion
Respect Alex for being honest about p4p
He really did ask volk who is the p4p king 🤦🏻♂️
Robert "The Philosopher" Whittaker
glad Jalen Hurts is getting into the fight scene, truly inspiring
Jon jones aint no boogeyman. He is the one to call to kill the fookin boogeyman. The GOAT
The way I thought of p4p is if the 2 people being compared met in the middle for weight, the better fighter would have the higher ranking.
Not how it works. It means if Alex was his identical self, speed, strength, skill etc, but at the weight of whoever he was fighting (say JJ), who wins.
Wittakers brain glitched right out over the p4p
Alex “ all type of stuff” Volkanasky
Nobody mentions he dominated Glover in his Prime at his own game after the GUS war...2 wins over DC. Also dominated Badger who was undefeated, D1 All American, beat him easy now he heavy champ, Vera a one Hvy Champ....on and on....
Piping hot take from bobby knuckles. Every legend Jon faced was high mileage, shogun had no knees, they were mostly mw sized until gusty and the other big fellas. Great fighter but we can disagree there
Shogun was the champion when Jones beat him bro.
@@mikeloke6695 yeah, and if you were watching MMA at the time you'd know he came from pride off a knee surgery, had another one after beating Forrest, and had another one after the second Lyoto fight which was right before Jones challenged for the belt. We never had a prime Mauricio in the UFC.
Anyone who defeated machida had to be in prime condition. Machida was ko’d by shogun that’s how he won the title you casual. However Jones was dominating the most stacked division of killers that I think the ufc had in perhaps any division.
@@urielcalderon9639 right, except shogun could not be considered in his prime after 3 damn knee surgeries dude. He looked like trash against Forrest and Coleman, he just fought 2 amazing fights against Lyoto. Doesn't mean he was in his prime. Have you ever had surgery? 3 fucking knee surgeries, C'mon son
@@urielcalderon9639 anyways, Jones was beating all of the name value and almost none were in their prime. The lhw division has always sucked, unless you listen to the promotions bs and believed it
Needs to be ultimate fighter aus vs eng again would be bonkers
Pound for pound means only, “if weight class and size were removed from the factor who has the skills to win over their opponents.”
You're taking it completely out of context. Weight needs to be a factor. How do you compare moving 15lbs up to 50lbs up
@@lop8828 pound for pound comes from Ring Magazine in 1951 calling Sugar Ray Leonard the best pound for pound boxer alive with a 124-1 record. The article, which coined the phrase and therefore provided original context, pound for pound means the most skillful and dominant fighter in the world regardless of weight class. Else wise, Derrick Lewis will always outrank Brandon Moreno, because he can bear hug him in half.
All the islam fans are so salty in the comments. Islam lost the championship rounds and got worked by volk on the ground. You don’t get to take the #1 pfp status from the king of the hill by SCRAPING a contested victory from a smaller guy and only have 1 title defence. Islam needs to do more to earn that spot.
Correct
Given the circumstances. What if ccc beats aljo or O'Malley. Who is p4p then?
Volk and Bobby Knuckles!!! Two incredible fighters. I really hope our boy Bobby Knuckles beats Khamzat. He deserves it.
What he needs to do is call for a fight with Alex.
Khamzat is another level, Bobby is not winning that fight.
I do t like that fight 😤. Bobby Knuckles is my dude...
@@MrFoolDyou clearly haven't seen Bobby fight, Bobby had a fucked knee and still dominated Yoel Romero
@@MrFoolD Gilbert burns, basically a lw sized ww gave khamzat all he could handle. Unless Rob's gone off a cliff suddenly hes gona destroy khamzat, it's impossible to keep bobby down and it just seems like Izzy has his number
Jones needs to perform this weekend. Imo even if he loses he’s still the GOAT and it’s not even close. Maybe Silva or gsp but I got bones with his resume.
@james bond I appreciate you being honest and having integrity in your thinking. I agree with you that being caught with steroids is an automatic disqualification from the GOAT discussion. While I agree with the statement that most ufc fighters are on some kind of steroids, you have to give everyone the innocent until proven guilty approach. It’s completely ludicrous and irrational to exclude someone because you feel they look like they might be on something. But because of being fair and not judging someone till they pop, we must be harsh to those who get caught. It’s as you said, it’s absolutely disgusting to go in there with DC when he could have won with his natural physical gifts alone. It’s even worse once you remember that the fight was canceled the first time because Jones popped for steroids. The man is a disgusting human being who has yet to acknowledge or take accountability for his action. I predict that when he gets inevitably gets asked about his legal trouble since his last fight, he is going to use the like about god giving him tests and he is becoming a better person etc. also GSP the goat
Mighty Mouse and dc are both above GSP and Silva imo
@@billwoods7578 I can get behind that. I would happily put all three of them as the GOATS of MMA. DC really is criminally underrated in his career achievements. I would also throw Randy Couture up there because his career longevity and quality is unmatched. What do you think?
@@spweman randy couture is top 20 ford sure but not top 10 imo. Although he has some great wins and 5 separate title wins (the record). His overall record isn’t that great. To me the top 7 in any order is Jon Jones, Demetrious Johnson, Daniel Cormier, George St. Pierre, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Anderson Silva, and Fedor Emelianenko. In a tier behind that I’d put guys like Stipe, Cejudo, Aldo, Ngannou, Volk, Usman. But as for right now those top 7 are in their own tier imo.
@@billwoods7578 mighty mouse is insanely skilled but he didn't have enough top tier competition to be considered in the goat convo. Take steroids into consideration and it's GSP by a landslide, although Aldo is really overlooked by casuals. With roids Jones has a pretty good argument, and Andy silver just had the most fun reign by far
Moving up is not necessarily a good consideration for pound-for-pound if you are going from a very skilled division to a less skilled division. Volk fought someone who everyone agreed was extremely skilled. Gane is very skilled for a heavyweight but he wouldn't be competitive in lightweight or welterweight.
You can't be p4p#1 coming off a loss.
Yes you can. If Islam comes to featherweight, Volk is dismantling him
@@_jeffrey359 if Islam comes to featherweight? Wtf are you talking about weirdo
Facts
Volk lost. Facts
@@_jeffrey359There was only a 5 lb difference fight night even at lightweight and Islam still clearly won that fight fair and square in Volk’s own backyard 😅
p4p is based on recent achievement in mma not skills like boxing back then cuz if it was the whole list would be filled bantemweights and flyweights
Rob: “Alex is a higher density skill packet with much broader depth” Jon Jones: “Can’t argue with that”
Jones just said he is happy to call Volk pound for pound.
Because he hasn't been active. Jones is his own biggest fan and his first words if he wins will be how he's the p4p goat
@@rockyevans1584 he's not wrong though lol. Nothing Jones says is delusional
@@lachlanm7149yes he is so absurdly successful that what he says sounds delusional but is just confidence based on facts
I was not aware of Volk until the Islam fight but I agree with him keeping the #1 spot as the p4p king. Islam is bigger and probably already "weight bulling his division" so for Volk to have a close fight with him is very impressive and enough to convince me how skilled he is.
If you weren’t aware of Volk before that fight, and are getting into mma content, you should watch some of volk’s other performances. Holloway #3, Ortega, Korean Zombie, all fights that show why he’s the best pound for pound. He really is Alex “the Great”
Ok but can we talk about the IV claims. I’m still waiting for his team to provide solid evidence 💀
Yeah I agree provide the evidence or apologise for throwing dirt on the dude's name,I'm aussie aswell
@@danielradd111 there’s an interview on Eugene who was in volks corner and he basically said that the ‘evidence’ they have won’t be enough to show that Islam cheated. So basically they ain’t sure Islam used IV but it was either him or his teammate zubaira. They have no right to accuse when they don’t even know who supposedly used an IV lol.
@@vlia1132 yeah they should apologise if they got no evidence,can't just go around throwing dirt on people's name's without proof
Robert touches on a great point. Pound for pound is designed to just punish heavyweights. He mentions Tai not looking as skillful as lower weight fighters. The Marks in MMA "journalism" have their favorite fighters and its an inconvenient truth for them that a less athletic looking fighter like Tai or Derrick, could fuck up all their favorite fighters at the same time. So you create "pound for pound" and pretend your favourite is actually the best fighter. Even better, despite calling it "pound for pound" they totally ignore fighters like Fedor or Stipe who weigh in well below the limit of their division and fight significantly heavier opponents, thereby truly championing the concept of pound for pound. Instead they are considered inferior fighters to the likes of Khabib or Usman who on the contrary only ever face lighter opponents.
Let's not forget his initial run was the arse end of the juice Era and Bones out juiced em all 👌
A lot of his most legendary wins were pre-USADA. Those killers he faced weren't any less dangerous.
Can someone pls beg rob to move to light heavyweight I think he beats their top 5
i think if jon jones wins he should be put to #2 p4p behind volk. like jones said, volk is more active so deserves to be number 1 above jones
Nah. Jon Jones should be #1 based on resume.
Or fight volk at 205
I hope this comment is a joke fuck activity jon jones is greatest fighter to ever do and he will be pound for pound number one
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Israel represent New Zealand and usman rep USA?
Put p4p on line, and since the loss, has never owned up to his words
@Pazza Corone , and who might that be? Nobody knows. Plus, my comment was abt Volk owning his words, not actually conceding his rank. At least admit that Islam should be the p4p king as per his own word given pre fight. Instead, he shamelessly accepts being no. 1
@@ComandaKronikk and everyone that decided his ranking were also promoting the fight as p4p 1 spot. Make it make sense
@@vlia1132 f u
@@sahmad9146 he doesn't think he lost, like most people without a wrestling bias, damage don't count again I guess.🤷
@@vvillhelmzecheekclapper7984 , since when does a fighters "thinking" determine results?
Alex all that type of stuff volkonovski
I know it’s not the fighter’s who decide P4P rankings, but Alex should have kept his word. He said P4P is on the line and he lost it. It doesn’t matter whether he agrees with the referee’s or not. If i was him, I would have said Islam beat me and he should be the nr 1 P4P. But sadly I am not the one who decides the rankings. Alex is not a man of honor.
Exactly the point I’ve been trying to make but people don’t understand what being a man of honour is.
Lol, hush, he had him almost out in the 5th, are you blind...
You literally said it yourself, he has no choice, so what’s the point of the rest of your comment.
@@sui6160 it’s more of the UFC for promoting it.
@@sui6160 bro Alex could standby his word and say guys i said P4P is on the line and he beat me. So i am gonna stick up with my word, Islam deserves to be nr 1. Instead of saying that, he backtracked his word and said “ i am gonna stick up with the rankings”. Just for that sentence he became a man with no honor. In football/soccer they are many players who won man of the match. Some of them they except it, but when they get interviewed they say, that other player deserved man of the match. So what i ask from Volk is just acknowledgement and be an honorable man.
Volk for P4P right now and Jones for GOAT
REAPER IS P4P BETTER THAN EVERY NAME ON THAT LIST
I don't even get how people are arguing Islam being p4p with his resume I would even say Valentina shevchenko should be above him he hasn't fought anyone besides volk and Charles on top of that Islam got the piss beat outta him against volk
If it was based on Islam’s resume and I agree he should fight more.. then why was the UFC promoting the fight for p4p spot then? When we all know his resume isn’t up to Volks yet. That’s what I don’t understand.
@@vlia1132 it was mostly volk saying that to get the fight but I get where your coming from it's just crazy to think Islam is p4p with how many great champions are in the ufc and what they did to get there stands out way more to me and alot of other people also on top of that volk gave him hell and I personally think he won ik alot of people disagree but that's how I have it I'm not being baise either I honestly had money on Islam to win and I'm not Australian lol
@@adrianchavarria4847 Yeah but to shake on the agreement with Islam is wild to me. Even if he did it to promote the fight, it’s quite sad that Islam was going in there thinking if he wins he’ll get p4p.
@@adrianchavarria4847 nevertheless I think it’s only up from here for Islam and I doubt he cares about p4p rankings. it’s just the fan in me lol
@@vlia1132 think about this from Dana and then mfers perspective … Khabib was a huge market but he retired , Islam his brother I mean marketing miracle for them 😂
The best that has ever been in ufc jones ❤
Did Rob’s brain short circuit for a minute 🤨
We all know that Johnny bones is the pound for pound best ever. The ufc knows it everyone knows it. Even all the fighters deep down they know it people just don't want to admit that. 💪🏽🇨🇵🌪️🌪️🌪️14 title defense only killers 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
P for P is ridiculous, size strength athleticism skills IQ make a fighter u can’t just pick one and say if…
Jones should have always been a HW. He was doing weight bullying like Conor did at FW. Jones always had the size over his opponents at LHW
He's walk around weight was only 220lb that not weight bullying. But yeah he had the reach advantage.
Shogun didn’t destroy much. Coleman? Chuck? Took him two tries to do machida in. C’mon man.
Jones is the 🐐 period if your not a casual we all KNOW THAT
How tf did Jones get back in the top 10 on the PFP list without even fighting yet? thats a lil fishy.. But he should be atleast in the top 3 on the pfp list its criminal they put him so low in the 1st place.
"In the fair dinkum stakes" Alex was at Welterweight/LW for five years and after being knocked out at Welterweight he thought he would go down to LW and be a weight bully. After a few fights he went down to FW to be a weight bully. Aussies have a short memory, this is a welterweight who ran away from his division after losing and now you make out he is some small FW moving up. Don't let the facts get in between a good story.
Jog on mate 🏃♂️ 😆
@@danielradd111 I guess you didnt have an articulate reply so you turned to your inner child and made a clueless remark.
@@madam9736 listen you got your opinion and your entitled to say whatever you want
@@danielradd111 There is factual part which you are missing. The Journo and everyone else keeps on claiming he is the small guy coming UP IN WEIGHT FOR THE FIRST TIME. When you fight at Welterweight/LW for the first 5 years of your career, this omission paints a different picture.
@@madam9736 everybody knew it wasn't the first time he fought at a heavier weight but the reality is he came up in weight,the past is the past and he's obviously more professional now than what he was at welterweight
Volk is great.
Leon Edward's #3 what?
Whitaker sound punchy
Jones did something even volk can’t no disrespect to volk
If only we could assess everything in 'Fair Dinkum states'.
Alex still thinks he's p4p when he put it on the line n lost now he says he wants it when before it didn't mean shit to him we all know u lost it wland your win streak and when you go up u need to win Alex beat nobody's only max n Ortega who cares he couldn't even finish them
He cleared the featherweight division fake id
@@gsingh660 he didn't clear shit only max 3 times there's Arnold Allen who will smash him and many more
i dont see it as skill for skill exactly, Alex went to 55 and proved hes just as good as islam, but if Islam went to 45 we ALL know what would happen. thats how i see p4p
"Gane's gonna be a problem..." Proceeds to absolutely manhandle him and submit him about 2mins into the first round without taking any damage. Jon Jones is fucking ridiculous.
2:30 who's this guy ...? Does he even make sense?? 😵😵
VOLKKKK!!! #4#!!!
if only Volks feet could touch the floor when hes setting in a chair!!!!
John bones Jones could have beat Izzy, Jiri and gane across those divisions, he is the goat this weekend, and PNP, no more questions marks!
If jon wins, the GOAT debate is finally over. No Khabib No Gsp No Anderson Silva talk anymore
Mighty Mouse p4p !! Get real people! Gargard Mousasi has best record of all time. Moose the roid slayer.
the ranking is ufc only
Stay crying jon jones the goat 😂
@@metsmokers1354 you're right most Ufc fighter can't compete if other organization are part of p4p I get it. Like Strike force back in the day.
Remember when Ufc protected Jon from Mousasi when they gave him Cheal classic Ufc . The Moose's shoulder was hurt at that that time. .
What does it mean mean :p
Crazy how the ufc can do a title and p4p on the line and in the end only give the title to the winner!! Cheap
Machida wasn't doing well, the one flurry he was praised for didn't land a strike, these dudes are fooled by toes commentary lol. Hope Rob's ok
That goes to show you the dominance of JBJ. Machida was an INCREDIBLE fighter, we all thought he would be on top of the division for years. Yes JBJ made Machida LOOK like he couldn't compete with him, but that says more about the skill of JBJ than the "lack" of skill of Machida, as you seem to be implying.
As of today Jones is back to number 1
Volk p4p numbawanbusit on the line...Alexander “the great scamming” volkanoski...prove me wrong, bet ya can’t mate😂😂
I'm just waiting for the 10 stoppages during the fight due to eye pokes and the positive PED test in 6 months time.
Come on Jones is number one
Hits to the back of the head and kneeing opponents while they on there knees ..
REAPER
Islam out struck, out wrestled and out grappled Alex while not looking any bigger than Alex in the cage. That to me signals he’s the P4P skill for skill greater fighter, no?
You have to be a special type of glue-sniffer to think Jones is the P4P FIGHT NOW🤣🤣
How does Rob not know its 265 😂 bro is goofy
Now that Bones Jones is back volky your definitely not Da pound for pound title holder could you please give it back to Da real pound for pound champ. Volky you have a lot to go before coming like Bones jones. 👍 SAY NO MORE.
Pound for pound for me means being active. At least 3 fights a year. That's what Makes Alex exactly that. If Jon wins he at least has to fight 2 more times this year to be considered P4P.
Volk said p4p on line for weeks, shoke hands and after losing, made excuses. Not cool.
Love these guys but cmon
I mean he would indeed have traveled a lot of pounds xD
How is Leon p4p over Usman
That is what I was thinking
Look the Leon matches you will get everything 😜