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The Vegas Golden Knights are up 2-0 against the Dallas Stars in the NHL Playoffs. We break down the Vegas system & how they are a systematic force that the fans desperately want to fail.
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Hockey Psychology always calling Vegas the "Vegas Long Term Injured Reserves" stings right now.
If you are a fan, don't be stung by it, Vegas is starting to print LTIR Champion sweaters to sell 😂
@@DiogenesTheCynic. They are the LTIR champs.
Being down 0 - 2 stings more.
Loving Tears In Realtime
@@mikem9536that crown goes to Tampa, they found this loop hole
This type of visual breakdown (with the stop-time highlights and appropriate use of arrows and other identifying symbols superimposed on the video) and complementary narrative/verbal analysis are incredibly good for amateur work. I know this channel has had success with its tongue-in-cheek humorous weekly reviews of NHL action… but those are NOT the reason why this channel kicks ass. It’s THESE videos, like this one, that are where this channel truly shines and stands alone in excellence.
He has a good understanding of the game.
This is what differentiates this channel from its copycats, yes.
I love these videos because as someone who doesn't watch other sports and never grew up around them, these videos help me to understand the game of hockey so much more. I learn more and more every day and my knowledge has grown so much in the past 2 years because of videos like these.
Man I wish I had Mark Stone’s doctor. Bro must be crazy
One of the clutchest doc´s in NHL history. Should go into the HoF.
@@TheWarlord9883under rated comment
Making bank I bet
The dude would probably make you regrow limbs, best doctor in the NHL
Fake doctors note
Great touch at the end of the video… RIP Bob Cole❤
What a move, what a goal, Oh baby!
Yep. Bob was a legend. Him and Harry were a joy to listen to.
He was the best at it!!
Its Rough being a Dallas fan right now.. The knights are a GREAT team... They have a full team of talent and a good system... Not losing hope but its dire.
Try being a leaf fan 😢 it doesn’t get much worse than that, you’ve gotten to see a winner
@@hockey_highlights_and_more i can get half of the experience by watching steve dangle lol.
Im a knights fan. I LOL'd when the fans boo'd Stone everytime he touched the puck.
Just complain about LTIR it's a hilarious gotcha on the Knights
@@shinyuta no you can’t, watching it is much different than living it
The knowledge you have of the game is so good. Can’t wait to see you breakdown other series for these playoffs
I don't blame the Vegas LTIRs, I blame the league.
Just mad my team didn't think of this con first 😂
@@CL-ie5fz100% false.
@@willsee7452He means to the same extent. Vegas is 14 mil over cap
@@ace2585 Tampa Bay did it first when they kept Kucherov and his 9.5m cap hit off the payroll for the entire 2020-21 season allowing them to re sign other players and add at the deadline. When the playoffs started Kuchervov was suddenly ready to play lol
As a VGK fan, my favorite part is everyone getting mad at us and calling us cheaters when we pull off trades like we did for Hanifin, Mantha, and Hertl. No one is holding a gun to these other general managers and making them trade with us! If they think we are cheating like all the fans do, then why do all these GMs keep helping us and trade us these players? If we are the villains and the cheaters of the NHL, why do other teams keep trading us star players if they all feel the same as the fans do? It just makes me laugh at how salty people can be! Call it what you like, but you have to respect how the front office goes about acquiring talent!
Very classy to call out Bob Cole.
Once hockey stops in the summer, you should make a video about every team and why they didnt make the playoffs or were eliminating
UrinatingTree will have you covered.
@DiogenesTheCynic. Who is Urinating Tree?
blame the NHL, Tampa did it too.🤷♂️
I hate Tampa too 🤣
The Blackhawks did it before Tampa 🤷♂️
That’s a lot of 🤷♂️
17 teams above the cap, 12 in the playoffs, Leafs (98m) and Bolts (93m) are losing right now. Its not just about the salary cap circumvention, its about picking the right guys to fill up the slot left behind by injured players.
them bolts bout to be swept
Last 15 seasons, 2009 Sharks, 2012 Canucks, 2015 & 2020 Blues, 2017 Blackhawks, & 2019 Flames. What do they have in common? No.1 seeds in the West that flamed out in Round One and only the Sharks and Blues(both years) made it to a Game 6. Out East, 2010 Capitals(Halaked), 2019 Lightning(Swept) & 2023 Bruins(Playoff Bob) being all time choke jobs. Dallas is fast approaching this bad territory.
Bruins experienced a Bobbery
Vegas lost
@Evan-C I watched the whole series, Dallas dodged a bullet
@@thedistrict9523 new champs this year
Vegas is putting on a clinic on how to make Shannon Skanes Drink.
Those Dallas pint glasses ain't gonna have time to ever get frosted at this rate
Sour grapes by what can only be a Leafs fan. Too bad Toronto's front office has been circling the drain for many consecutive decades. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. When up and down the franchise there is no personal awareness of how mediocre you are - and when you are mediocre, you are always at your best.
I mean he did buy them just to drink out of them when Dallas bows out, he just didnt expect round 1
@@DiogenesTheCynic.Lmfao funny how Vegas got punked in game 7 😂
Panthers fan here, it reminds me of us a couple year ago when we won the Presidents Trophy. Just feels like a team that wins via rush offense just ain't ever gonna get it done in the postseason.
Also that year we were outscoring our problems, which isnt a way to win a cup
Presidents Trophy is a curse!
I hate the league just lets this happen. I am especially salty due to the Lighting being 18M over the cap when my Habs lost in the finals.
It is almost impossible to beat Vegas because of how much depth they have ,you pretty much have to play a perfect game. It’s crazy.
Except the only reason they have that depth is because they abuse LTIR at the trade deadline. Vegas is currently almost 9 million dollars over the cap. Quite convenient for them when the cap is no longer applicable in the playoffs.. Teams should be required to be cap compliant on the last game of the season, and players on LTIR should be eligible to play the last game of the season. If the team is not cap compliant, they should forfeit their playoff eligibility and any player who is not cleared to play game 82 of the regular season should not be eligible to play a single playoff game. That would solve the problem right there. Oh, and that goes for my home team too since they are currently over the cap. There, those should be the new rules.
Yeah it’s almost like if you have more firepower than you’re supposed to be able to afford you’re gonna have more firepower than you’re supposed to be able to afford
@@natev580every team does it. Colorado did it on their run and so did Tampa back to back. Blame the GMs for voting on it. Our front office is just doing it better than everyone else
@@ryanalaniz4525 Yeah, they all do it. It is technically within the bounds of the rules. But it needs to stop. And I'm not sitting here saying "Vegas needs to stop abusing the system". I'm an Oilers fan.. They're over the cap too. I'm saying that as a whole, the system needs to change.
@@natev580 that’s fair. I agree, I think it’ll change soon for all the heat we’re getting for it now
I’m a stars fan but at this point I’ve lost all hope
You guys beat us twice at our place in the wc finals last year. Its not over.
I'm a Stars fan too and I know holding onto hope right now is hard. But Kenny is right, we took two games from them last year in Vegas. We're not out of it yet.
No, Stars won one game in Vegas and one in Dallas in OT last year.
There is no hope when facing a circumvented team. The Kings circumvented in 2014 and won a cup, Chicago did it in 2015 and won a cup, Tampa did it and won a cup, Colorado did it and won a cup, then Vegas did it last year and won a cup, now they did it again this year and are up 2-0 against a really tough team. Vegas's traded for Eichel, a player they couldn't afford and they've been abusing their ltir ever since, even one of their own players went public about how Mcrimmon is abusing ltir. The year they picked up Eichel he had a neck surgery that had never been done before on a player in a contact sport, so Vegas had to put him in to make sure, so there goes Stone on ltir, Eichel plays for a little over a month then goes back on ltir and stone comes off ltir. I learned a long time ago it's a waste of time and money watching the playoffs when a team circumvents, that's why I haven't watched the playoffs since 2019, I've got better things to do than watch a fake champion purchase a cup. If fans were smart they'd boycott the playoffs and the league would lose millions and that garbage loophole would be gone
@@dougosullivan7111lol you just names teams who won, there are a bunch of forgotten teams that used the ltir that didnt win. Fake champions, guess you’re a fan of a loser organization
Salary cap should carry right into the playoffs
I am so pissed. The ONLY team I wanted to avoid (at least in the Western Conference) was the Golden Knights. As soon as I saw we had them as our opponent, I had the feeling in my gut that we were screwed. They always seem to have the Stars' number.
Hard not to when you load up on 3 superstars players while your captain sits pretty with a "lacerated splean". Miracle recovery. As he does every year I dont see how vagas wont win the cup. And if they do, the NHL will be worse for it. Not a serious league
We Knights fans were more afraid of Edmonton and I 35% think they lost to the ducks on purpose. Also, if the Cannucks throw a game, is it on porpoise.
He just explained why they have a better match up against the Stars. it's no mystery. it's up to the coaching staff to fix it
@@borrow4654who tf is VAGAS?
@@HalfNHalf. god forbid someone writes a typo
This breakdown is incredible, I’ve been a fan for 18 years and I’m learning so much
I’ve been loving them as a new hockey junkie
@@joey4222welcome to the sport my man. please dont cheer for vegas tho 😂
Bob Cole's best radio call was back in 1976 with the line "They're going home. The Russians are going home." Flyers defenceman Ed Van Imp made a big hit on Red Army forward Valery Kharlamov during a Canada Cup game, which started causing frustrations to boil over for the Red Army team on the Flyers' Broad Street Bullies style of hockey, ending with the Red Army squad walking back to the dressing room before the game's conclusion (they would go back out to finish the game. Or the hit occurred in the third period and became their breaking point which caused them to give up and head down the tunnel.
Put a cap on LTIR cap overrun or/AND(?) make it count against the next years cap if you roster the player(without said playing replacing someone else who's been injured). So lets say cap overrun with LTIR lets you ice an extra 5%, but if you go over that, the hit counts as a penalty for the upcoming season. This lets you ice replacement or entry level players, but if you're LTIRing a star player to circumvent a salary cap, something like Luongo's recapture rule should take place. If owners/GMs vote on it being too harsh, maybe add in a 1 year mulligan for the first offence, but if it happens consecutively , it counts against the team(which allows teams positioned to leverage it a one time advantage, but maybe have the cap penalty be stiffer so teams can't ride it till their competitive window is entirely closed).
The salary cap isn't really about having a level playing field. It's about keeping salaries down for the majority of players. I can't recall the players name, but he was a key penalty/defensive player for the Red Wings Cup teams, and he signed with the Bruins for $5 million a season. A lot of money. It opened the flood gates on salaries and the league figured they had to do something to protect it from themselves so they followed the NFL
Who knew that market manipulation would be a bad thing, just like in the real world when the government cannot keep its nasty hands off the free market? The Tampa Rays and Oakland A's prove most of the time that a hard salary cap isn't necessary for a team to be competitive, and the Yankees and Angels keep proving that you can't just buy championships.
Your breakdowns are extremely informative and always really well done, I've learned a lot about the small, and previously unseen by me nuances of hockey and makes watching the games a lot more interesting. Love these videos man keep it up.
Well if they are put on reserves they are void from playing in the first round or some shit. Or if you aquire more players than the cap allows when they come back you have to sit someone.
Loved it when you said he doesn't pick up "sexy numbers" because he's on LTIR :D
as a stars fan who never played hockey and knows very little about the X's and O's of the sport, thanks for the video! Vegas was the team I wanted to play the least going into the playoffs and it's nice to have a video that lays out why they're such a tough match up for us and how we're trying to respond.
I expected a rant but got all learned up! Thx. I didn’t want to but you made me subscribe with your quality content!
I still can’t believe they interviewed Stone at Dallas’ barn, that’s some WWE level trolling
On the upside it drowned out her dumb questions
@@liljoe31 Leah Hextall only has a spot in the NHL game crews because of her uncle. I once trolled her wiklpedia page and called her the worst play by play hockey announcer on a major network in the last 25 years.
Bob Cole. Absolute legend. Him and Harry were a great combination.
Harry Neale was the best color man, hands down. During a game in Winnipeg, a TV light started flashing like mad, necessitating a halt to the game till it could be repaired. Harry said to Don Whitman, 'it looks like a concert in here from The Iron Maiden, or one of those bands that you listen to.' At a Philly game, the camera held on one of the off ice officials who was wearing a helmet at the scorer's desk. "lots of celebrities at the game tonight, Don. There we can see Darth Vader enjoying the play." During an LA playoff game, the camera went to Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman sitting together. "I'll bet its going to be nights of thunder when they get home.'
Classy tribute to Bob Cole at the end. He's a legend. Oh baby!
Awesome video. Keep hustling g🔥🔥
RIP to an absolute legend 🙌 🙏
Just would like to clarify when it comes to players who are on the LTIR the nhl does get involved with their own doctors to follow up on players recovery and injuries to insure they are legitimate and not sandbagging for playoffs. Now could mark stone of started a week or 2 earlier maybe but if it’s within a week or 2 window any team would take advantage of the LTIR and done the same. Whether you agree or not mark stone had a legitimate injury that any playoff team would have taken the same advantage of.
He wasn't injured to begin with, get real.
@@Srdjana-where do you get your information. I’d like to see your source besides the voices in your head.
@@Srdjana- please show me where doctors said his liver wasn’t lacerated.
@@lvhatrick and you got you info.. ..."because vegas said so." Correct?
@@spencerstewart8765please show what they said was verified....you know it wasn't. They don't give out any injury details.. (like Tor/ Nylander) "Lacarated spleen" recovery time is generally a longer window. And, how astoundingly coincidental stones recovery 'just happened' to perfectly coincide with trade deadlines and first day of playoffs simultaneously. It's amazing, it's a miracle....or...it's blatant abuse of the system. Tampa did it too, egregiously, miss most of the season and returns for game 1..? BS. league and owners need to initiate some changes to prevent abuse in this area. It undermines the integrity of the sport to let it go like this.
BEST 8 minutes on YT! Thanks man.
love the analogy on this chanel. Well done !! and very nice touch with the Bob Cole tribute "Oh baby "
From what I saw the stars have the same problem as last year.
Tampa started it a few years ago
Chicago taught them first, actually.
Stars fan here, just wanted to say you hit the nail squarely on the head. Vegas's forecheck gave Dallas all kinds of fits and, as you said, the Stars had to take advantage of their versatility and win with an approach a bit outside their comfort zone. The hard-skating fourth line was brilliant all series and scored a few goals, including Faksa's series-winner in Game 7 off a nice meat-and-potatoes cycle following a Harley pinch to keep the puck in. The skill players, rather than racking up the chances off the rush like they did in the regular season, were usually forced to wait until a Vegas miscue and then pounce, as with Johnston's beautiful unassisted goal to open the scoring in Game 7. Really nice analysis here, you called the series to a T.
Tampa used to do this as well with their players. It’s not just Vegas. If people don’t like it, then the NHL needs to change the rules. Until then, teams will keep doing it.
It's an insane storyline. So easy to play the heal for Vegas. Someone's gotta do it.
See if my 755.00 on Vegas to take the cup works out.I have been purchasing slips November
The LTIR thing has been a loophole for like 5 years. It’s just on other teams for not having good management lol.
Tampa Bay complained that Blackhawks exploited it in 2015 when Patrick Kane returned in the playoffs. Then, because the NHL wouldn't close it, they took advantage of it, too. The point is, closer to 10 years.
Cheating isn’t good management lmao I’m not against cannibalism because I wish I could eat people. Only people who say this don’t gaf about the game or its integrity
They should really close it and not remove it for the playoffs
Teams voted 29 - 1 to keep the rule in 2015.
@@danolsen7405 AND expressed zero interest in even voting on it again. We'll see next Governors Meeting, but this year it was, according to Elliot Friedman, a 45 second conversation of "figure out a solution and present it."
Honestly a shame how Vegas is the only one over the cap and doing so well. Wait, two other teams are even more over cap? And not doing as well? Weird how that works.
Great vid bro enjoyed it never miss
Not even a Vegas fan but everyone that complains about it comes off like a toddler having a tantrum. Mark Stone is their best player. A team doesn't purposely sit out their captain and best player to hope they can win enough games to make the playoffs with the reinforcements they added with the cap space. Any other team could've been aggressive and gone for Hertl too. Last year, they never iced a team in a single playoff game that was over the cap. Stop complaining and complain that your own teams GM cares more about his own job security than making his team better. The NHL is never going to change the LTIR rule. It has to be done during CBA negotiations and I doubt the owners, gms or the players care to change it. Stop whining about it and move on.
Youll be hard pressed to make NHL fans believe that not having a salary cap in the playoffs isnt stupid as fuck. Surely you dont believe that yourself if you have any cognitive capacity
@@borrow4654even if the cap was implemented for playoffs it wouldn't matter. Like he said, last year when Vegas won the team on the ice was cap compliant. Even this year I believe Vegas was cap compliant game 1 and would have probably been compliant game 2 if Martinez was scratched again.
@@CodeRedGraphics i guess thats true...just means you can load up on a few assets if you end up losing players to injury which is fair. Good luck preventing players from returning to play of they become healthy. Still would be a step in the right direction if you HAD to play a salary cap compliant team though.
@@borrow4654 I don't want a salary cap period. But you don't want a salary cap in the playoffs either if you actually thought about the consequences. And it doesn't matter if you do because the owners and Gms for sure as hell don't because they are aware of the consequences and don't want them.
You said everything I've been thinking. The complaining is getting old. They're mad at the wrong people aka the golden knights
Tampa Bay 2021 playoffs, the miracle healing Kucherov trick. Ask Montreal how they feel.
Time to rename the channel: Hockey Psychiatry - Based on the social media reaction from the Victor E. Greenies you should send them a bill for this piece of therapy….awesome job pointing out the *real* reason the VGK are running over Dallas while at the same time making them feel like it’s not their coach’s fault.
Great video on explaining how Vegas D system match up well with Stars O system. I was wrong thinking this is just another bash on how Vegas uses LITR...
I could never hate Stoney. He exposed what a dirty player PK Subban always was deep down.
So true
Vegas on their joker arc and I love it
Also, out of curiosity does anyone else think seeding doesn’t matter in the postseason? Honestly playoffs and RGSZN are 2 different games. Some teams are built for it (Vegas, Tampa, former Chicago and LA teams, Avs, etc..) and some teams just aren’t because of top heavy teams (Dallas, Toronto, Edmonton). Truth is you can’t load up on 1-2 lines, you need those 3-4 line guys to be just as good
13 out of 16 playoff teams are currently over the cap. To assume that Vegas is the only team doing this is not accurate.
They've literally done nothing wrong. Some GMs are playing chess while most are playing checkers.
Riiight. Cuz no other professional GM could ever figure out what a bunch of dipshit fans easily can. Everyone knows ‘how’ to do this. Vegas chooses to do so and most other teams don’t. You can agree or disagree with either philosophy but this ain’t rocket science man.
Definitely one way of looking at it. Lacks integrity and no one would bat an eye if this was purely the corporate world. But it's not. It's a corporation...but it is also professional sports. Where the integrity of a sport and a code of honor tends to be held hallow. I am fairly indifferent personally, being a part of that corporate world. But fans pay a good chunk of the bills in this sport and a lot of them are not happy.
@sports2hedz542 boo hoo fans are crybabies
@@armstrongaddy1155when it’s not their team doing it right, they complain
Some GMs are playing fairly and some have no shame* But all GMs should start cheating aswell so this loophole gets fixed
Can't fault 'em because, ya know, Chicago & Tampa, but it sucks to hear the owners, presidents, gms, etc. reportedly don't think its a problem and are ignoring fan sentiment. Mark Stone has always been one of the most impressive defensive players of the past decade. When he went to Vegas, I was ecstatic. Not only had I become a fan of Stone for his play through tough Ottawa times, but I was an even bigger Vegas fan for the misfit tenacity from year one and how legitimate they were from the get go. Almost exciting to hate them now.
You honestly have the best content out there..thank you!
What's even worse, is they shoot pucks at the opponent's net after they pull their goalie. It's like cheating! They can't keep getting away with it!
🤣
Oh nooooooo 😂
It isn’t against the rules yet 11 teams got penalized for being over the cap except Vegas. Something is fishy here.
This is a solid tactical breakdown 💡 Great work 👉
Seeing the length of some of these guys sticks, really really makes you wonder if there needs to be some sort of length restriction
there are restrictions. 63" heel to butt-end for the shaft, 12.5" heel to toe for the blade. special requests for extensions must be made in writing, will only be granted to players 6'6" or taller, and only extend the shaft length from 63" to 65" max. whether the players actually follow that, or the teams have a MAD pact and don't call BS on illegal player sticks is a different matter. but there are rules on the books that restrict equipment size.
You know, i would say fair to most of your points, but since joining the hockey fan club back in the inaugural season for vegas all i have seen is the DEFINITION of COACH AND FRONT OFFICE difference. At one point this season especially in their slide from top 3 in the west, vegas had 2 forward and a defensive line on IR, sorry we didn't go down and get knocked out of the playoff race. Also, series ain't over till someone wins 4, still a chance to win even if it's deboer lol.
“Joining hockey in the inaugural season for Vegas” followed by that shit take makes sense
Personally for me, I don't get mad at VGK LTIR shenanigans. VGK did LTIR what is suppose to do - Give a leeway for players who injured during middle of the season that will prevent them from playing for all the rest of the season (Stones played 56 games this year and got a spleen injury). Same as Hawks did in 15 where Kane played 61 games and we saw him fall injured in the game. Tampa is the villain with Kucherov shenanigans in 20/21. He did not play a single game yet the LTIR still active. They also got dead contract such as Gaborik and Seabrook to extend the leeway. Tampa should be the one we condemn. Not VGK or Hawks. VGK and Hawks use the system properly. Tampa GAME the system.
seabrooks contract didnt come till after 2021 and kucherov was actually hurt.
@@ethanparker7900 So was Mark Stone. All of you are the conspiritards claiming he wasn't. And no, Kucherov timed his surgery to miss the whole regular season. He played with that injury the season before.
They all gamed it. Cope bandwagoner
Are you the only guy VGK fooled? Second year in a row they are abusing a loophole.
@@DiogenesTheCynic. from what I heard that injury was first sustained in the bubble over the summer
I learn so much from your videos. Sportsnet should take a lesson here, it's more then just showing highlights. Good stuff my dude. Go Oilers.
Is it me or does Mark Stone look like Lord Farquad from Shrek?
😂I’m a Vegas fan and that’s too accurate. Time to make an edit
My top 5 least favorite teams 5.Vegas Golden knights 4.Vegas Golden Knights 3.Vegas Golden Knights 2.Vegas Golden Knights 1.Vegas Golden Knights
Honorable mention goes to the Vegas Golden Knights
@@Middyman43you forgot the Vegas golden knights😭
You are coping Coping and seething You just can't accept what you're seeing Yes, you're coping Coping and seething The truth it is scalding And now you are malding And coping Coping so hard 😂😂😂😂😂
@@DiogenesTheCynic. What are you? 12?
@@DiogenesTheCynic. what?
Waiting for Benn to deliver the cross-check we all want to see again.
And then get suspended for the remainder of the series, aka 1 game.
And give Vegas more LTIR money? You sure about that?
Dallas, always classy in losing.
He'll probably fake another untouched fall first.
Wanting a player hurt while screaming LTIR Cheats isn’t a good look slick. You’re obviously emotionally immature and a super fan of Dirty Dallas Fans throwing popcorn. Stay classy, even if you can’t.
Can you make a dahlin or Josi breakdown?
The playoffs for the knights are like the flights to Florida... people get on early in wheelchairs, then sprint off the plane in Ft Lauderdale
as a Vegas fans... we LOVE the haters! hugs guys!!!
I love the Vegas Golden Knights. Go Knights 👍👍🎉🎉
The entire blue collar population of Las Vegas is with you on this comment
Feels good to cheat the system and stack the team with a way over the cap trick....... Being rewarded for getting injured. Shameful.
@@selfaccountable3464 I honestly don’t care. I based my teams off of their colors and logos, with the exception of my favorite teams stay my favorites and Vegas is one of them. I don’t care about the behind the scene of the teams
@@Cyclonetic Cool.... so you prefer to be ignorant that your team is cheating. So you are ignorant indeed.
@@selfaccountable3464 other teams have done it before so it isn’t cheating
Great video.
Based on the title I thought this was gonna be a Vegas are cheaters sob story but this is some impressive tape breakdown. You've gained a follower in me
I saw Vegas fans complaining about ricocheting a puck off a goalie's head....ha ha ha
Vegas beating Dallas this year is nothing new. They won all 3 regular season games.
Dallas winning the series
@@merksmovies25in what world is Dallas beating a team that’s miles better than them
@@dstefaniuk5741 it’s hockey playoffs, anything can happen. Maybe dallas hasnt reached their peak or vegas will take their foot off the gas believing they already won the series
@@merksmovies25 this Vegas team is very similar to their cup winning team, I can’t pinpoint exactly who left, but Smith was the big one, however adding Hertl and Hanafin doesn’t take away the mentality of the team so I don’t think that’ll be an issue
@@dstefaniuk5741 yeah smith was the only one that left. You’re right. But maybe vegas will be so cocky thinking the solved dallas after dominating in the wcf last year, sweeping the season this year, and now winning these two games. I can see vegas taking their foot off tha gas allowing dallas to find their game and dominate
The final is gonna be a replay of Vegas vs Florida 👈
Awesome amount of information!
Getting away with what? Following the rules? If people want the rules changed and fixed, then bark at the league. Insulting the team that uses the means they can to win, will lead nowhere. Fix the rules, and Vegas will never be able to do it again. Quite simple.
But then their teams wont be able to stack the roster too so it wont happen
People dont know that the lightning and leafs have more LTIR used and overall cap used, but we wanna shift all our attention to vegas because their the better team?
Exactly
They are mad over Hanifin and Hertl, the cap space is an excuse
Theyre definitely mad about something arent they
Have those teams had the same player go out 3 years in a row and then rebuilt their team with that cap space only to have the LTIR player come back?
@@garyelder4610 It wasnt 3 times, guess you are just another room temp IQ headline reader only
Being booed by the home team, your doing something right
Stone was out for eight weeks, for an injury/surgery that had a typical recuperation period of four to six weeks. Because of past allegations with Chicago and Kane, Tampa and Kucherov, I'd guarantee that the NHL was double checking Stone's situation to ensure it was legitimate. The LTIR rule is a good rule as it allows teams to take action to maintain a level of success when someone's out long term, because it allows them to call up players from the minors, or make trades or signings to fill the roster back up. If that player comes back, off of LTIR, then the team has to do some shuffling or dealing to get back under the cap. One reasonable way to fix this would be for players that were on LTIR at the end of the season to be prohibited from playing in the first round of the playoffs. Another would be to implement a salary cap for the post season.
Vegas is like the beer league team that dresses ringers when playoffs start.
As a knights fan I do understand where the hate is coming from but then again I don’t as we are just using the rules to our advantages and our gm is crazy
That's because you're not a real hockey fan.
Well said, as usual. This can spell real trouble for the league & reward the lack of loyalty in players like Eichel. The players reluctant to stay with franchises stand to benefit too much from this team's philosophy unless other teams match it
So classy of you to end that very entertaining and thoughtful video with a tribute to the late, great Bob Cole. I, too, remember growing up with his commentary and am sorry to hear of his passing. I have so much more to say about the Las Vegas Injured Reserves, whom I hate as much as everyone else does, but I guess you've said it all already. So thank you for saluting a hockey legend.
This is why every league needs a hard cap, if at puck drop they aren’t under the cap then they have to send players back to the locker room to get undressed
Wasn't Vegas under the cap for each game last years finals?
If the cap doesn't get fixed I'm boycotting the playoffs, the only way for it to get fixed is if the leauge has a financial reason to do so.
Bye!
They will feel your absence I'm sure. hahaha
There are eleven teams that were actively abusing the LITR rules. The only reason people are upset about Vegas using it is because the Knights keep winning. It's real easy to be jealous.
It’s a bit different, it’s Stone being hurt and conveniently being back for game 1, the fact it’s happened twice in a row is why it’s suspicious. Tampa did it with Kucherov too. (Waited to have his surgery and came back game 1 of playoffs) I’ll give an example. Leafs has the most LTIR in the league, Muzzin who’s basically retired, Matt Murray who only just came back and won’t even see the ice for the Leafs at all, and Klingberg who’s probably gonna retire. So to say they’re actively abusing the system is a completely different circumstance, the fact it’s been two years in a year and the third year where he’s been hurt in February right before the deadline, where they acquired pieces. Yeah it’s not jealously but it’s within the rules, and unless it comes out that the doctors rigged results, it’ll never change and Vegas will continue playing chess when everyone else is playing checkers, it’s genus. Could see them winning another cup, but don’t say that it’s the same circumstances to other teams cause it’s not.
@@Goldy02agreed is not the same at all. Even when people were mad about kuch, like the dude had to sit the whole year and it’s hard to just turn it on to start mid season never mind turning on playoff mode after that much time off. But literally doing it right before the trade deadline and then being there game one is a joke. Like look at those names they added 😭 Toronto is not even relatively the same. They are literally not using those players where as Vegas is using stone and the players they acquired. Can’t remember who mentioned it but they said they should simply make it so that player can’t play in the first round. That feels fair to me
lol yeah you’re totally right like why would people be mad that someone cheated and then it worked 😂 genius stuff here
@@pdubcentral Well Kuch had a Conn Smyth type performance, I think he scored in his return in the first game that’s why I mentioned Kuch
@@Goldy02 Guessing the people using this expression of chess and checkers have not played chess...what Vegas is doing is basically putting more pieces on the board than their opponent which is cheating.
Good vid bro, I think your the best hockey KZheadr
Solid analysis, +1 sub.
You’ve gotta play the game you’re in! This is NOT AGAINST THE RULES. Can you imagine a professional soccer team NEVER trying to sell a penalty because it’s dumb? They do that, because it has become part of the game itself. Don’t hate Vegas just because they are better at maximizing their success within the rules. I don’t like it either, but they are hardly the only ones that do it. To the haters, the only crime is that they do it better than YOUR team.
True but Vegas Derangement is real. Talking to these folks is a waste of time my friend
Sure, but then i hope i dont hear a word from you when a player like Marchand does something...
I might be the only fan outside of Vegas that wants them to win, and it's really only because the Stars are my least favorite team. Also, what they're doing is pretty cheeky, but it is literally NOT cheating. Any team can do it. People gotta stop complaining for no reason
The thing is, if a team like Edmonton were to do this, no question they would be unstoppable. Pretty sure new rules would be put in place to prevent it from happening anymore. Its one thing to take advantage of it one time, but they are straight up abusing it to the fullest extent...
Great job!!
Even without Stone, Hertl, and Hanafin, the Knights would still be beating the snot out of the Stars. Like the Stars had a really easy final stretch compared to the Jets and Avs.
Uh ok bud.
@@chairmanofthebored6860 Not wrong.
Hanifin literally scored in a 2-1 win both games Stars had a chance advantage in shots and now got creamed in game 3 while Vegas goalie stood on his head and still lost. All of those guys have been big contributors you cannot be this ignorant.
TLDR: Vegas is taking advantage of Dallas’s biggest weakness: Peter DeBoer’s refusal to adjust to opponents
Does Vegas literally have to 16-2 in the playoffs this year before people realize their roster is easily the best? I guess so
This video literally goes into how Dallas is adjusting on the fly to account for Vegas' game.. did you even watch this video before commenting?
@@michaelangst6078 the players are. But Pete won’t adjust his deployments or lineups other than minor tweaks
@@xannengaming6551 the players are adjusting. Not Peter DeBoer. He won’t change his deployments or lineups to better adjust. He’ll make a minor move or two
I don't understand why the salary cap just disappears in the playoffs. I mean we all know the rules aren't enforced the same in the postseason, but they're not supposed to completely change. How many teams have to blatantly exploit this loophole before the league does something about it?
The knights are the 80's raiders of hockey I love it
Since day one, nobody liked us. Hockey wouldn’t survive in the desert. Then we were supposed to be terrible. Only in the finals year one because of Bettman. Then we were knocked for being disloyal. Then, Cup champs, on the hunt to repeat - but it’s only because of LTIR, right? Excuse me while I feel absolutely no sympathy for the rest of you. You all need smarter GMs. Edit: This video breakdown is truly incredible, though. Props.
It would be so good if the Jets met them in the second round. Then the fans could chant "LTIR"
I hope Jets meet them in 2nd round....I think they have a better chance beating Vegas than Avs imo.... Jets have the big guys and goaltending to.give Vegas s run for their money....Go jets!
Logan Thompson Is Ridiculuzzz
@@liljoe31 You're only as good as your defense. If Stars or Jets can they break that line, he can be vulnerable - exposed..
4:50 LTIR = Logan Thompson Is Ridiculous.
“That cheeky bastard”
i dont think it's an issue, Vegas almost missed the playoffs, any team can do what theyre doing, they took a calculated risk and it's paying off
You cant if you dont have millions sitting away in LTIR right before the trade deadline
@@borrow4654boo hoo😭😂
@@borrow4654 Then why did 17 team teams finish the season above the cap? 12 of them are in the playoffs, and Vegas isn't even the most loaded team, its the Maple Leafs, and they are losing.
@@DiogenesTheCynic. lmao i just checker and saw that the leafs are st 97M technically while Vegas is at 92M No idea of the team they are putting on the ice is cap compliant, but i can admit that this shit got me rilled up because it works for vegas more so than any other team. I cant deny Vehas has top notch management and coaching staff. Id be over the moon if my team could do this, but what can i say. I hate Vegas so sue me
@@borrow4654 So long as you know and acknowledge Vegas isnt even the worst offender, let alone the only one doing it, I dont care that you hate Vegas.
The league needs to fix this already. It’s been a problem for way too long and Vegas has pushed it to the extreme.