Constellation & Type 26 Frigates vs Type 054B & Gorshkov Frigates (Naval Battle 130) | DCS
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Today's naval battle is a flotilla of US Constellation and UK Type 26 frigates versus Chinese Type 054B and Russian Gorshkov frigates.
Expect SM-2, SM-6, ESSM, RIM-116, Sea Ceptor, SPEAR 5 and Naval Strike Missile vs HHQ-10, HHQ-16FE, YJ-12, 9M96, 9M100, 9M337, P-800 & Kaliber Missiles. Which coalition has the best frigates?
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0:00 Overview
0:54 Vessel Details
5:01 Predictions
5:52 Battle 1 (with Grigorovich FFG)
17:32 Battle 2 (with Gorshkov FFG)
23:58 Galleon Broadside Super Hyper Mega Battle
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Oh and cap, I’m sure most of us actually ENJOY your commentary. So no need to “shut up” while the action is going on. lol honestly, it would be hilarious to have you and Fly commentate during one of these battles.
I second this, Cap! You're a big reason I watch these videos 😄
Fly can be a bit much sometimes. But often he's the only one (beside Cap) who talks and keeps things lively.
@@5AndysaliveYes, I do like Fly but sometimes he babbles on far too much.
Hello from the shipyard building the Constellation class!
Hi!!!!
Less KZhead, more welding. Lol
Keep up the great work. Love from uk 🇬🇧
Sounds like a fun job 😊
For the Galleon fight, put the ships just outside of CIWS range and see what happens.
Apparently the 054B is also supposed to carry YJ-18B with terminal maneuver by 2026
The Type 26s won't be getting their SPEAR 5s until 2028. By that logic, the Gorshkovs should be equipped with Zircons, which are already in service with other vessels and can equip every vessel capable of firing the Kalibr and Onyx missiles.
Neither the Type 26 or Constellation are in service yet either... The Constellation isn't due till like 2029, so this hyperthetical battle can't be set before then, so using a missile from 2028 is perfectly valid.
@@sergarlantyrell7847Sure, but the Russians should have access to the Zircon.
@@comareborn8734 I agree, but i think currenthill may have a valid reason for using the Kalibir or whatever the alternative to the Zircon currently is, I think I have heard that it's extreme speed generates plasma which blocks its own sensors making it difficult to track moving targets like a warship, and may have a smaller payload? If that's true the other ones are probably more effective, but I could be wrong or heard wrongly.
In 2028 Russia will be using whatever China or North Korea are making
We like your running commentary Cap, don't stop the magic.
Still loving these shooty shippies. 👍 Thank you CH and thanks Cap.
It would be interesting to see a fleet battle where the ships emerge from Fjords that are beside each other, like start without line of sight but start getting more direct line of sight as the battle progresses.
Your commentary and excitement make these videos a lot of fun to watch.
I like the natural gun shots. Galliant is cool sometimes, kinda wanna see the boats go thru the waves. It's been a long time... great work everyone
Really beezer video, Cap. Really fun. Cheers!
These are so fun to watch! I used to make AI vs AI battles back in my Combat Flight Simulator 2 days. But some of the AI habits were hardcoded and I could never really make them do something all that different no matter how how I tuned them or what weapons I gave them. There was also a limitation with ships and making them actually shoot at each other. So I basically turned the base aircraft config into a ship model, rigged it up like a ship but it flew like a very very very slow plane as steady as possible, as low to the water survive as possible. I loved coming up with all kinds of work arounds. For Vietnam era battles, since WW2 based game and had no guided missiles, I turned an aircraft into a SAM missile model and gave it a flak gun to self-explode itself near enemy aircraft. Other people just scripted the events and pretended stuff happened. But I could make the SAM missiles "take off" from an "airfield" and fly towards enemy formations and explode. So it's neat to see CH making awesome models and working around what DCS hardcodes.
Harpoon on the Commodore 64 I pitted ten Oliver Hazard Perry frigates vs one version 1 Kirov. The Perry's (or Perry, as only one was left) won. It became a hell of a knife fight.
Any naval battles are the coolest.
I hope that CH can do the Norwegian Navy at some point soon to complement the Kola map!
yes and the Danish one as well
@@eskildscott7841 Yes, the Iver Huitfeld I believe? There is also a Dutch frigate with a similar loadout to that as well. The problem is just that CH needs money for models....
@@totalNERD-eo7wx iver huitfeldt, de zeven provincien (not even going to try with the spelling, sorry) would be nice
I'm just curious if people realize that everything or at least the vast majority of the content that cap puts out is run on the DCS program? For those of you that don't know that's digital combat simulator as in an military air combat simulator. This is not a naval simulator and things are done very basic when it comes to both land and sea assets. If you want to see truly realistic simulations you need to watch a naval simulation not an air simulation😂😂 Also for all the ones crying and whining about cap and his commentary, I don't know what to tell you but the majority of us like it. And I know as a patreon and a financial supporter of this channel, I absolutely love it. I guess if you really want to change something maybe you should support the channel? You can become a patreon member it's very easy👍👍
Roger, we do the best with the tools we have. Thanks.
As a Patreon supporter too I live for Cap’s commentary and LOLs - nothing better on YT 😊
The Sea Ceptor missiles can actually be used against other ships too! It was something the royal navy was really pleased with
CH always coming through for the GR.
Yes he is!
I love listening to cap and matrix .. that commentary with top quality missions. I will never have the time needed to invest in this game to enjoy it, grim reapers does that for me . Keep em coming cap . Talk more. Ps more matrix please ❤
Good battle!
I do hope we see more of the type 26, and eventually type 31’s come too
We wont see anymore hulls made. This is the Government and HM Treasury we are talking about here.
Something drastic would need to happen for that
@@Anakin_Sandy_High_Ground I’m sure I saw just a day or two ago that the defence budget was being increased and an extra 25 warships have been ordered? also niiiice name, you underestimate MY POWER
Interesting match ups and simulations of combat. I've watched way too many of these already. Back to working on something productive...
I feel productive watching these 😂
I really like the constellation ships. There is still debate about adding more VLS. Sounds like it would cost around $12 million to go to 48 cells and I think it is a no brainer.
That 30mm Russian CWIS is a damn nightmare lol!!
Yard sit there no good against Ukrainian subsonic cruise anti-ship missiles😂😂
Non a single ship equiped with it got hit by ukraine missiles or drones except one that got hit by sea drone not a uav @@Wyomingchief
@@ali-haider5788 The moskva had 30mm gatling guns. or do you genuinely believe it just sank on its own?
@longyu9336 its ak630 an old and unrealible ciws Now they use kasshtan amd pantsier m ciws in their new ships
@@ali-haider5788 yes the sensors are likely obsolete. the gun itself is quite powerful for a ciws but without good eyes and brain (fire control system) it wont matter much.
If you do the Type 26 again, use the Canadian one. they use a dedicated CAMM battery of 48 missiles for CIWS and have the OTO 127/64 gun with the Vulcano extended range projectiles, plus the Mk41 cells loaded with SM2s and ESSM Block II.
The first Constellation was just laid down April this year, with the first ship entering service by 2029.
Sub Brief had a spot on that today. Apparently 2-3 years behind schedule. A good segment on the status of US shipbuilding.
I pointed that out last time, But it didn't make a difference lol
@@Markus117dI'm guessing you don't listen to the briefs at all? He's well aware that it's not in service yet, this is a hypothetical so don't get all twisted up😂😂
@Wyomingchief I'm guessing you don't read a comment properly, it's not that its hypothetical or not, It's that they said it's entering service soon, When if fact its only just been started assembly wise, April in fact this year, 3 years behind the original schedule, But they don't seem to have picked up on that fact yet.. 😂😂🤣👍
Type 26 could do with some longer range SAMs. My guess is batch 2 ships will dispense with the mushroom farms and quadpack the missiles into standardised VLS to save space and with the option to add more if necessary.
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You did my exact request!!! Thank you!! 😁😁😁
Pleasure
They now have zircon replacing there p800 and have been used in war not just test
This was all about ships and missiles - fine. But what about a little tactic - using the terrain (the fjords) like you would do for an airial battle?
Because this isn't a naval simulation program. DCS is a combat are simulator, any and all ships in or land units are added in for the benefit of the air emissions. Yes you can control where the ships move and how fast and such but you can't control the firing of them, the missiles, etcetera so again it's just a demonstration of the capabilities😂
We just don't have enough control of the ships Cam, it would be a shit-show.
Someone else mentioned it but is there a reason the Zircon isnt in use on the Gorshkov class model?
😂😂😂😂😂 You mean the Russian Hypersonic anti-ship missile?🙄
@Wyomingchief Yes, the blue team has the best avaliable/future anti ship weaponry, we don't have hypersonic in use in real life in the UK, because we do anti ship differently, I think stealth, maybe currenthill chose to give the reds the Kalibr instead of the Zircon for a good reason I don't know.
I just watched a YT doco on the worst planes in WW2. I'd love to see you guys run a scenario where any of those available in DCS (I have no idea) are pitted against each other, with one GR pilot in each. Video is "Which Were the WORST Designed Planes of WW2? - The Planes that Make Historians Facepalm" by The Front
There's very few World War II aircraft mottled in dcs. And I can guarantee that none of the really bad ones are modeled or probably ever will be
The CIWS on the Constellation is the RIM-116. Not all CIWS are guns/cannons
Hey cap. Speaking on navel battles I watched a clip on a new type of self propelled guided round that will be fired fron a standard ship cannon and has a rage on about 50 miles and will be capable of shooting down missiles. Futuristic yeah but really cool substitute for a rail gun. Also did you see the new Australian ghost bat drone will be in full production very soon.
Hey Cap, loving the frigate battles! Would you be able to do 2 RAN ANZAC's Plus the 2 RNZN ANZAC's versus the Chinese frigates? I have a brother who is an engineer in the RNZN who would love to see it :D
I think an Malay vs Oceania Frigate battle would be more balanced. RAN 8 ANZAC class RNZN 2 ANZAC class Vs KRI 2 Martadinata Class + 5 Ahmad Yani class KD 2 Lekiu Class
If those units are added to dcs. Remember DCS is a combat are simulation not a naval simulator. And as far as I know they don't have any modern Australian ships
Hey cap, I'd like to request/suggest a battle line of WW2 American Battleships against that Chinese/Russian battle line. the supersonics would obviously be a huge advantage for the Chinese, but would their ships last long enough in a galleon fight for them to matter?
Would be interesting with a tot strike with the British new missile arriving at similar time as the stealth missiles. That would be a difficult package to deal with.
Time on target mission would be awesome to watch. The new British missiles along with the new anti ship tomahawks TOT would be wild.
Saved me typing the same thing, it's how it would be done in real life, focus defences on the non stealth incoming in the hope it delays a response to the nsm.
Consider the building cost and time spend, I would say every 26 will face at least 10 type 054B😅
Last time i talked with the YJ-12 manufacturer, it states it can go Mach 3.32 the fastest and you can choose whether want it to sea-hugging or go up for the trajectory Not really sure if it’s just for pamphlets 😂
@grimreapers Out of curiosity, when you did the brawl at the end, why does the Chinese CIWS fire but the ones on the Type 26 do not? Phalanx Block 1B (which the RN has) has a surface to surface mode. Also, those Chinese CIWS only have circa 10 seconds of ammunition on board the mount (in two separate ammunition drums), is that really enough to sink two ships each considering that they would have some sort of ballistic protection of their critical area's? And in the initial missile barrage at range, is it possible to alter the ships behaviours? It would be much more realistic to have ToT launches of anti-ship missiles, and much more likely for missiles to get through.
Missiles flying in on the same path would be easier to take out, I think. More of a chance of a missile being in that space if you fire a burst into a train of missiles.
Have ships like the USS Preble DDG-88 been modeled in DCS or IL? Any laser weapons at all?
They modded a "laser." They just made the bullet speed of a CIWS super fast.
Also after the red forces are out of offensive missiles, all the remaining sm2 and sm6 can be retasked to be offensive
Agreed
Constellations are under construction but with a 3 year delay already
Thank you Captain Obvious everybody's aware of that. These are what if simulations, don't take life so seriously
The Type 26 will have the most advanced laser weapon too for close range defence(waay better than any other laser weapon currently, with the new advanced targeting system). It has been confirmed by the MoD. The laser weapon name is the Dragonfire. The world most advanced Laser weapon right now. £10 per shot, world class targeting system capable taking down missiles and drones(has been tested already multiple times vs drones and fast moving objects, iam not sure is it capable destroying something which is faster than mach 2-3). It will be installed on couple of the Type 23 Frigates too by end of 2027.
Can you pull a battleship out of mothballs, I'd love to see the effect of BIG naval guns on a fleet of frigates
It could probably take all 8 ships in that galleon fight. Even her secondaries are bigger than any gun in that fleet, and her armour is thicc. Her superstructure could get ruined tho.
A very important metric that I don't know I've heard discussed on your channel is cost vs GDP. Is there a way to add to your scoreboard of a percentage of how much the cost of the battle is compared to how much rhe country has to spend? This was a big topic from the more recent Iranian retaliation attacks, and how the coalition forces spent so much to defeat the targets, but comparably was a drop in the bucket compared to how much Iran's attacks cost them in GDP percentage. So where iran spent less, they used more of thier GDP then the allied forces did. Battle of financial attrition.
From what I heard you compare it with the cost of what it was fired at rather than the cost of interception.
@Bell-x- well what I was eluding to is if one side spends 1.5 million on a missile to shoot down a 200,000 from the other side, how much of a percent is that deducted from the country's GDP? Cause firing a more expensive missile may not have as much of an impact on the available funds as the others side.
@@ROTNReaperthey've done several battles comparing the cost of the weapons versus what is used to intercept them . But other than that it's pretty easy to figure just figure out what was used to shoot down what😂
@Wyomingchief I'm talking about cost of weapons vs money available to the country
I think it would have to be done manually after the battle.
Could you make the missle arrive at the same time by different trajectory?
Nice sim test modern warfare is missile wars specially stealthy ones! why this sim dont have any zirkon or legit Hyper sonic missiles ?? also can we manually control the vessel radar missile and weapon system or just pre program sim?
This is not a naval simulator, DCS is a military aircraft simulation these are just added units to enhance the are environment. Basically all you can control is the ship speed and course, and some of the vessels you can fire the guns. But you have no control over radar or missiles or anything like that because again this is not a naval simulator
what about the Type 31 frigate?
Those type 26 doesn't even exist yet
They do, sort of. The first one is afloat, albeit still being fitted out.
He's well aware of it, and if you pay attention or watch enough of their videos you will know that these are what if simulations
What about a line battle just outside CIWS range (say 5-6km)?
I dont know if this exists but wouldnt like a dozen short range decoys being launched by antiship missiles when it detects interceptors being launched at it or being painted by the radars of the enemy a good idea??? Or like MIRVed anti-ship missiles?
This is not a naval simulator this is a DCS military air combat simulator. Decoys and shaft and such are not modeled for the ships
0:40 are there any German frigates available as mods?
No
Is the phalanx not able to engage sea targets? They didn't shoot back with them in the galleon battle
I think they did but that ship does not use tracers?
It's probabky worth noting that this is a '2030' battle, as in the blue team doesn't exist yet.
What are the red things on the back of the 3M55M?
Not sure lol
Aren't GORSHKOV CLASS known for carrying ZIRCON hypersonic missile?
Do the ships in DCS launch decoys and use their jammers?
No because it's not a naval simulator
Imagine a real time RTS where each unit uses real life data for weapons using CurrentHill mods, you could even go into third person for each unit controlling it... it would be AMAZING. And if you made a new game using those assets, you could add like real damage models for units, not just the crappy damage models from DCS. Seeing boats being split in two by missiles would be amazing. Or missiles going through a hull... all of it could be simulated with physics... Dude you totally need to find people to make a game.
That would make a really cool Naval simulation program. But unfortunately this is a combat aircraft simulator. All those things fall under the core program which is not something the mods can change
Nice. How about Tsirkon missile attacking USA super carrier? Really want to see what happened in simulation but very controversial right.
If they stick with the bullet(missile) sponge hitpoint system for ships they should at least start gradually disabling those ships weapons at 50% or so. That should be easier than a full on damage model. I doubt after a hit all weapons on anyones ship would still be working.
Well if this was actually a naval simulator they might do that. But again DCS is a military combat are simulation. What you're asking for has to do with the core programming of dcs. The only way to change that would be for the creators to do that and I doubt they're going to take the time to worry about that.
@@Wyomingchief ships are in it and they call it a simulation. So wildly unrealistic ship damage should be an issue. And this would be working, relatively simple solution.
You have got to zoom out when following a missile. It’s super annoying not seeing what’s coming for it. Then one secon after you follow it, boom! It’s blown up mysteriously.
Because it happens really really fast, there's no other way to do it unless maybe you do it yourself and and run these simulations
I mean it's really not annoying to most people
Can DCS not include extreme lateral terminal maneuvers?
upcoming.india mavy versus chinese navy
why do the missiles keep going for the same ship?? love the sea battles . . .
It's the limit of the DCS program which is a military air combat simulator not a naval simulator
@@Wyomingchief Okie dokie,
You’ve gotta go back to a classic, could a wing of Constellation class frigates stop the IJN fleet from attacking Pearl Harbor?
Agreed
So whoever has more deployable missiles wins if they launch all at once to overwhelm the AA/M? Barge full of vertical launchers makes Netherlands into lord of the seven seas 😂
I wonder why you never use any of Admiral189's ship mods? Like his Sovremenny, Tarantula, or the Iranian Alvand, or the French FREMM Frigate.
do another battle using Bhrahmos!!!!
This is an F15 vs F16 fight.
Where is the Zirkon?
Who knows probably still in Putin's mind. You know where all those mythical Invincible weapons that the Russians dream up😂😂
@@WyomingchiefIs it okay that zircon has been in service for a long time and has already been used? and I'm sorry, probably propaganda does not allow you to realize this, well, what can I say, look further at the propaganda that Russia does not have missiles and that Russia is fighting with shovels :)
@@Wyomingchiefуже прилетело - на укр ТЭЦ. :)
@Wyomingchief The Zircon is 100 times more real than the Spear.
Pity the Nulka hovering decoy missile wasn't modelled.
Yes! Capt crew and beer with a fat steak.
How can i play withbthe ships?
Can you do it again but the Russians have access to the zircon anti ship missile
Is terminal maneuver a special ability? As far as I know, almost all anti-ship missiles will maneuver violently at the end to penetrate the interceptor. Even the c802 of the last century（the Iranian imitation model called Noor ）have demonstrated this ability. Why has it become the exclusive capability of NATO weapons here?
First of all not all anti-ship missiles have the capability to maneuver, violently?, during their terminal phase contrary to what you think. And no there's no Iranian missile that's capable of doing that. I also you have to remember the limitations that this is a combat aircraft simulator not a naval simulator
@@Wyomingchief i said almost all...Gas rudders are a very popular and simple technology
Galleon fight unfairly crippled the Constellation by allowing the Red Team to have their CIWS but Constellation could not have hers (The RIM 116 is the replacement for Phalanx CIWS)
20mm phalanx just isn't gonna have the same effect as those 30mm monsters. And the RIM's are so good at missile defense
Does DCS model ship borne ECM/chaff/NULKA
No because it's not a Naval simulator
The Type 26 will enter service before the Constellation-class. NAVSEA keeps fucking with the Constellation-class design.
Nice video. Why didn’t you give the Russians Zircon missles?
Unfortunately nobody knows where they are. Of course it could be just as dangerous as they're supposed current Hypersonic missile. You know the one that's actually a ballistic missile😂😂
Gorshkov was missing the Zircon missile.
The mythical Hypersonic Russian naval anti-ship missile😂😂😂
The Spear didi in fact get through in the first run as well....
CH needs to make the assets individually my pc cant handle the packs but ik why just hope it changes
If you look at his DCS forum threat you will understand why he is now doing it this way, also there are some incremental updates if minor changes, we have seen several lately.
@@superflyguy4488well not only that but people keep asking for things for these Naval units thinking that DCS is an actual Naval simulator when in reality it's not👍
@@Wyomingchief Its a combat simulator no?
@10:43 - I'm no military expert but wouldn't it have been better for the Nato missiles to all be swarming at once, rather than 1 at a time as the Ciws was able to get them more easily?
I'm at 6 min in, my prediction is that all the offensive will be shut down and it will come down to guns
Why does it feel like the Russian ships just never do anything😂😂😂
Because when you turn on the radio, the radar shuts off.
Trouble is the contellations are still in the dockyards, three years late. The Chinese ships are sailing and many more coming. People need to get real. In this fight the US ship is not there.
I want to see the galleon fight but with the Type 45 destroyers instead of the frigates 🙈
The Type 45 has a 4.5 inch gun that hasn't been updated in about 20 years. The Type 26 frigate has a much more advanced 5 inch gun, while the gun is a similar age, the Americans kept investing in it and it's ammunition. Meaning it's much more potent now.
I'm pretty sure they may have already done one when they had the type 45 in one of their battles
Could I ask, who is CH please?
Current Hill, he's a programmer IE mod maker.
next battle. indian navy versus china navy
Noice battle cap !! Please add some Indian Destroyers & Frigates too [P-15B and Niligiri] 😄
Why there terrible. Like something out of 90's.
@@EnglishScripter How come 🤔 They have VLS + AESA Radar + Cooperative Engagement Capability
I think your browser mislead you to the older Nilgiri class 😅 Actually we have a tradition to name our new ships by the name of our older ships of the same class.
@@Shubhabratabanerjee Ok so. It has somewhat long range radar, but the actual quality of those radars is somewhat like early 2000's technology. It has TERRIBLE sonar, 50 year old navigational systems. The Brahmos is too slow for its speed to be good enough on its own, and no stealth. It has old onboard radar too. Barak 8 missile of which 32 are onboard, are less accurate than any American, British, European missile by about 10% in there testing. Remember this ship needs to be as good as FUTURE ships not current ships.
@@EnglishScripter I've heard that the MF-STAR onboard Indian navy's frontline vessels are comparable to the Aegis and even South Korean vessels have the MF-STAR on them
wait what i missed it but they dropped a map of Norway... bro i can legit go to my home city now (if i end up buying it ofc xddd)
Yeah they did a video on it a couple of days ago
Zircon?
Whats up with the chinese long range sams, they miss 70% of the time, even in the previous videos
The Gorshkov is not the Type 11356, it is the Type 22350
thx
No torpedoes?
Sad to say but this is completely unfair. You did not include the Zircon hypersonic missile which are deployed (not underdevelopment like SPEAR 5) on the new russian Frigate. It is scramjet powered with speed of mach 9.
it also maneuvers
@@canadagoosesyeah and the tooth fairy's real😂
Type 26 is likely to have dragonfire as well, another interesting factor in closer range defence, it was recently announced.