Miu Hirano Weakness: How Ma Lin found it?
2017 ж. 25 Шіл.
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How coach Ma Lin found the weakness in Miu Hirano's playing style? Why Hirano can't win other Chinese players after Asian Championships?
Coach EmRatThich explains you the secret of Miu Hirano. How to counter Miu Hirano's playing style?
Special thanks to "table tennis fan" for the English translation note.
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Ma Lin is a legend
Thanks for the awesome video EmRat Thich! It's great that you broadcast these videos for us here in the states. Very insightful!
This is wonderful. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Excellent video, ERT! Thanks a ton for this. Love when you bring Chinese content for us western folk.
The tactics the chinese used at WTTC was heavy chops to the forehand, Miu is used to her fast playstyle but at that speed fast heavy chops are hard to topspin.
I simply want Miu Hirano to achieve her dream, to get to the top of the world. It may seem like a formidable challenge. But I believe she will be up to the task come 2020. Go Miu!
Excellent parsing in detail!
great video as always. can you do a breakdown on what Miu can do counter the tactics CNT is using against her?
EmRatThich TT coach: Thank you.All the best.
Miu is only 156cm, she has physical limitations compared to Chinese players that on average are close to 170cm.
For instance, Wang Nan, she used to lose more matches against Lin Ling in practice within Chinese national team, Lin has more power and spinning. But Wang never lost any match to her in big tournaments. Wang is very smart and has great adaptation skills to always execute useful tactics.
These written "reflections" may be very effective. However, this focus on failure and shame seems unhealthy to me. But that's just me.
Christopher Mangels chinese bro. Or Asians in general. Very different culture.
Self-criticism has been systematically implemented among all sectors top-to-bottom in China since the very start of the revolution. It's one of the hold-overs remaining from the hard-core Communist era. However, it also has become something of a _pro forma_ ceremony, and Ding Ning's is a perfect example: she's really presenting little more than a boiler-plate mashup of sentiments and phraseology that almost could have been copied from some rice-picker's confession or police-chief's self-criticism. After 60 years, and probably 1 billion self-analyses by the Chinese populace, there is nothing new to say. This is part of the pathetic poverty of Chinese culture today.
They think they are at war.
this has nothing to do with communism， this is a common Asian thing, or to be more specific eastern Asian. Japan, Korea and Chinese.
No,it's a communist practice employed by all Communist parties of Europe and the former USSR.Its called self criticism.
Coach, it would be helpful if you could make a video on match analysis. In a previous video you showed us your notebook that you use for coaching. What do you write in it? Can you give us some examples? Thank you
+Shyam Polaconda yes. many things. mostly tactics. how to play vs many styles.
If it isn't too much to ask, could you make a video about playing against other styles? Also can you tell us how to find the opponent's weakness - Here ma lin found weakness of miu hirano, how do we find weakness of our opponent?
Hirano must improve, if she keeps on playing the same style, she,ll keep on losing. Might help if she can add fung tienwei,s style into her own.
I'm here in 2019 where Miu Hirano has not qualified for Tokyo 2020
Yes the question is ,Where is she now ,I only see mima ito and harimoto
Emratthich first question, what is the name of the song in the end of this video. Second question, if we watch ding ning and miu hirano match closely, ding ning focused on blocking hirano's shots. And then move her to the edge of the table. Is my understanding correct?
+Kinshuk Joshi yes. block and force miu to move. the song is monody feat laura of thefatrat
"Miu Hirano" is the most lovely world table tennis player ever. She is so charming and eyes catching during the plays and all her actions. 🧸🍈
Coach, what thickness do you recommend for a 47 degree rubber as a beginner player? 2.0 or 1.8?
+Enmnauel Rosario 2.0 is better
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach thank you coach im getting my new equipment soon, ready to improve without missing on technique and movement speed and presition
good video
Look back of Liu guilong It's is written TTX on the board
What a honour to be Miu Hirano..she's just a 17 yo girl..but consider as a threat, hope she improved fast to give the best of her in the future competition..just my personal opinion..to get that level her now..is also depend on Miu's fighting spirit and hard work.
what shes doing now just keep losing
Losing is part of the game my friend..beside she's just 17 yo girl, there's so much to experience..and losing is one of them.
how to get back to attacking grip after service??? means after service how to hold the racquet?
It's sad to know that Miu Hirano wasn't given any credit for her fantastic game and was instead called as "made in china". I understand that table tennis is considered as a very serious sport in china but the way they talked about miu hirano was just very cruel. Look at Timo Boll, it doesn't matter if he wins or loses, he always respects the opponent. That's the true sportsmanship..
I understand how you felt about what liuguoliang said, but Miu is far to be compared with Timo yet.
Ofc, timo is a legend and I am not comparing her with him. I am just saying that chinese should respect every player they play with and the game should be played as a sport with no hard feelings rather than as a war
you know how japanese talk about Chinese
shubhang mittal I thought LGL just say the fact....
reza ilham agree，truth is always unacceptable for someone.
我覺得劉國梁才是中國隊的靈魂.馬林也是劉心中的一名大將. 主要是劉打敗了小平野,因全給劉看透了......現在劉被迫不能做總敎練,有點担心.希望球員能爭氣,因他們是劉訓練出來的呀.
What is the soundtrack u use?
that showing replay thing was damn this is serious
Doesn't take much to figure it out, does it? What's really disappointing is that Miu doesn't seem to realize her problem, and is not improving. Did she left her Chinese coach?
if someone study aboard eg. in USA , then he is made in USA is that correct
Miu hirano got defeated by ishikawa at korea open as well, but i think she will back in her form soon she is the only female player who could defeat Chinese top players. Isn't it Coach ?
it will never happen again
willy wong you chinese winning from more than 30 years,dont u want even a good competitor??? 2020 olympic will be held in japan woth japanese nittaku premium balls (as same as asian championship?) And I am sure she will defeat chinese thier And even than harimoto will be more strong to stop men team as well 😆
we want good competitors but does not mean we give up champions :) It is fun to set up a legend barrier for players to achieve, just like NBA for basketball players.
Miu is not the only female player who defeated Chinese top players. Both Ishikawa and Fukuhara had done it. However Miu might be the first one who defeated 3 in one tournament.
so the final answer is hit to wide forehand and into body?
Where is Liu Shiwen at that time? Im curious Miu would win the finals...
Thats not kong ling hui. that is Liu Guo Liang in the video.
where else could she find a good instant tactic but from the god of TT itself Mister Ma Lin?
History is history not created by anybody, it just happened.
Sao không có thuyết minh bằng tiếng Việt ? Cảm ơn !
what's the song name at the end?
Monody
I would have liked to have seen Li Xiaoxia take a more active role in Chinese Table Tennis. They are missing her and she has plenty to contribute.
I believe both Tokomazu Harimoto and Miu Hirano will be in the podium at Tokyo 2020. Right now they are playing against full grown adults.It's absolutely natural that they cannot be consistent against them.Hirano is fully aggressive on the table.Chen Meng,Din Ning and Liu Shi Wen ( I hope i spelled the names correct) are in perfect shape for table tennis. Miu is 17-18 years old and right now she is burning the tables and posing a serious threat to the chinese team.As for Harimoto...This kid has the potential to be written down in history.Skillwise he is perfect for his age and has another aspect that only Jan Owe Waldner showed on the table.He is on the proper spot faster than what he has to. He can read the ball.Yeah...he is just 15.What is he gonna do at 20-22 years old when he would be fully grown and a lot more muscular?
well that didn't happen lmao
Summer in the hill
Coach played a very important part of players, if not then don't engage a specific coach, just get any coach will do. then your skill and standard will stagnant. from handling the ball to playing to physical training etc. if a 3rd world countries would just play and don't engage a better coach then forever would not improve.
There are 10+ million active table tennis players in China. Sheer number matters. Meanwhile, Japan's Men's National Football team is set to play in the 2018 World Cup in Russia.
I don't like his tone, it is very agressive but I guess is understandable, he is under a huge pressure. Chinese and Japanese hate each other and loosing in their national sport is specially frustrating. Japanese feel the same when they loose to Chinese.
So the answer was determined aggression backed by skill.
You can do it Miu..where there's a Will theres a Way.
Other nations can produce players can Mima Ito amd Miu Hirano but they can't be nurtured fully because they don't have the top coaches like China. Salute to Chinese Coaches
i think this just confirms how its near impossible to overcome the cnt winning culture and resources! they absorb any and all mutations and anomalies and simply become stronger. the cnt is such an inspiration as a tt player! thanks EmRatThich!
How do you know what Ma Lin said to Chen Meng ? Did you read his lips or just his gesture ?
I love Miu anyway.
very nice and useful video, love y bak bak :D brother
He is Liu Qu Leung not Hung Ling Fai !
Does Miu Hirano speak Chinese? how does she understand her chinese coach?
Michael Zhuang - she does speak Chinese.
Liuguoliang is now completely out of vison.
I’m a legend, too.
Miu is a very lovely girl ,I like her. But she is not easy to win Chinese players again. She will be very very hard.......
are you chinese?what you like her for
I wish her keep losing never come back
這樣不好,挑戰中國,`能令中國更強大.賽事更精彩呀.
Yes, I am Chinese. I feel she is very cute.That is all
Dude something is seriously wrong with you people. You need to learn to appreciate greatness and talent regardless of where it came from. As a european i am not very familiar in detail with what the japanese did to you, but this girl surely wasnt part of it. How you wish for a talented athlete never to be successful again is just plain pathetic.
Miu Hirano vs the CNT is like John Connor vs a platoon of terminators.
so what you mean she is good or bad
She is good but the CNT players are like terminators. Even if you can beat them they will evolve and come back stronger. The only hope is if other countries support table tennis as much as China does.
the zhang jike of women's team
ERT you mispronounced the word "determined", its should be "deter-meend" not "deter-mine" but great video as always 😆😆
+Darren Ombrog Ü thank you. deter mee nd
It is very poor comments from the coach. Many different sports the national team coached by foreigner eg Soccer, basketball, Tennis...
I saw the garbage TTX behind Liu guoliang
+Ding Nino mee too. i saw ttx and t2
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach t2 ended up alright
I think Harimoto could not win no more against Chinese top ten players ...
your prediction has come true.
They have to write an essay every time they lose in an international competition? Ouch.
no
they rarely lose an international competition.
USA teams for any sports have to write essays for every loss. I was the head coach of the US team and it was a rule that no loss would be tolerated.
Having the top country ‘s coach put out a video on a 17 year old’s ‘supposed’ weakness is absolutely stupid and ridiculous. But it does tell you how much talent Miu has that this coach put out this video. First time every hearing of such a video. Embarrassing for China.
Le Monster - thanks for reply. You are correct and also incorrect. Miu is very talented and if she can get her head back on straight will be capable of beating anyone. She is also a lot younger than most of China’s great players. They will peak out soon and Miu and Mina will be in their prime. And just so you know, I’m happily married to a Chinese woman and actually am very positive towards all Chinese people.
As long as Ma Lin is still alive, he will continue analysing all the threats and China the table tennis kingdom would never fall. BIG WIN 2021! CHINA NO.1!
It is sad to have this kind of mindset where a credit will always go to people that given the knowledge, but no actual credit to the person who put all the effort to learn, if so the teacher are so ever great, why cant they be the top world player, why must the student surpasses them? see!!!! actual credit should be the student that build up their knowledge and the teacher are just the guide line. No offence i do respect teacher, but i feel that this comment from them are a bit racist. Is always claim of power! At the end of the day is know how you get it, its more like who you get it from?????
Also Zhang Yining, she doesn’t have any of her skills that can be labeled best. But she’s a great champion only bc she has no weaknesses. Others can’t expect to win her by one simple tactic or one type of excellent skill. Hirano lacks too much of overall skills and on-court intelligence.
so you have all that report (which is 99.99% out of topic) to say that he "discovered" to play short balls? I am very amazed how did he find out that! Do you know how Ma Lin became good player? he holds the racket and hits the ball XD!
因小平野給劉國梁看透了,她想再贏中國是困難呀.全中國女隊都重視她了. 我想. 全隊都以打敗小平野為榮. 她要非常加倍努力呀.
every one beat her now
is the narrator Japanese?
Mr Me Chinese.
Does not sound Chinese accent to me..
Vietnamese
+Tomas Mac Donncha Bingo!
What do you want? What is the idea? or the content? What is this video about?
what are you
Chinese women got BBQ from Miu😎
Your accent is so thick, anyone suggested just using text caption..
Sorry for that. I will improve my accent
@@pingsunday Your accent is really great at the moment based on your newer videos. Keep it up!
Saying Miu is made in China is indeed bias and racist beyond imagination. Chinese used to play penhold. Can I say all Chinese straight shake hand players are made in Europe?
interesting approach :)
Japan miu hirano kalian ada Perhatian dia main bola goyang-goyang kepada kanyak orang habis minum obat ekstasi
This proves Hirano is still far far far away from a top player. First, a top player shouldn’t be afraid of other people studying and analyzing his/her style. Second, a top player shouldn’t have obvious weaknesses for others to discover and attack. Third, a top player should be able to adapt quickly, you play me with this tactic, I can easily adapt to make your tactic useless.
Hardy Mah - and fourth you sound like an absolute fool. Judging from your remarks You don’t shit about this sport in particular and sports in general. All great athletes have flaws. They are all human. Also Hardy, What this proves is that the Chinese TT coaches think Miu is a very special athlete and they are scared she will eventually beat the shit out of all your Chinese players. Accept it. Miu is a one of a kind, great athlete. And she’s Japanese.
@@peterflorino9016 he is not wrong you know. And he definitely is not trying to bring down and insult Miu Hirano. Simply state that she has room to grow and that is being able to have alternative tactics and strategy to counter the opponent's. Diversity of playstyle is always important so the opponent cannot easily expose your weakness. Calling him a fool is a bit too much for such an objective statement...
Frans Rewl - I accept and honor your comment but still differ on certain points. While it is true that Miu needs to continue to improve on her diversity and alternative tactics, it takes rime to do this while playing the best in her sport. Her main problem is not physical skills, I believe It is phycological. She peaked at an unusual early age of 17 beating the top three Chinese one after another winning that tournament. The entire country made her the biggest star in Japan. She was on every tv show, everyone wanted her to do a commercial, many exhibitions. She clearly lost sight of her total commitment to TT. Shame on the JTTT for letting that happen to a 17 year old. Lately she seems more focused. Her skill level remains extremely high. Once she once again beats a top Chinese player who knows how great she will become.
@@peterflorino9016 Yes, true. All athletes have flaws. But what I mean is you need to use all skills you have to maximize your strength and minimize your flaws. Then you can win. Like you said, all athlete have flaws. Chinese TT players also have flaws but they still win. I think you're a little jealous of Chinese TT players achievement and cannot accept the fact that Miu won just once then no more.
@@peterflorino9016 Yes. Chinese TT coaches realized Miu became a strong player. Her style and skills are studied and analyzed. But all Chinese TT players are being studied by all coaches all the time day and night. They still win.
Sorry but every time I see this headline, I can’t help thinking how disgraceful it is to Chinese TT for a top coach to lower himself to write this nonsense about a 17 year old girl who kicked the shit out of his top players. If he had class he would have simply congratulated Miu and went about his business of privately coaching differently in order to beat her in future. And his comment about “made in China” was equally as low life and again embracing.
the table tennis is a game of sport for friendship so Miu Hirano is just a strong competitor to Chinese players not enemy
but the papanese think different
Why is everything about "We"? Behind every player that represents team is a actual person, i hate when politics are influencing thing such as sports. I love chinese players, but i don't like propaganda.
in china, individualism is a sin. just ask He Zhili.
What total bullshit. Every great athlete has a weakness because no one is perfect. Even Federer has had them. The reason he’s still no 1 is that he recognized his weaknesses and corrected them. Big deal that Chinese coach recognized one of her weaknesses. Miu is young and extraordinarily talented. Future no 1 women tt.
中國太重視輸贏了。體育其實只重在參與，不在乎輸贏，這才是體育精神。
It’s remarkable that a 17 year old can cause Chinese TT so much concern and worry. Enough so that their top coach had to put out a video on how to beat her. I think someone should tell him that all great players have weaknesses. No big deal. Also he embarrassed himself by saying she is “made in China”. Low life remark which only.shows he felt he has to put her down. Miu is a one in a million athlete and he knows it.
Peter Florino but there is no prove lol
Bruce Lin - no prove of what? When an 17 year old athlete can beat the top 3 players in a row on the biggest stage, you have to acknowledge that person’s greatness. It’s easy to understand that she went into a slump after that. All athletes who achieve greatness early, experience a down time after performing so amazing. She will and is coming back slowly. Her talent will emerge again soon.
I think Miu Hirano can still beat them all, also Ding Ning...... Miu Hirano was very good in shape, she also did say by herself after beating Kasumi Ishikawa, that she feels very good and strong physically atm and this is the only reason she did win over Kasumi Ishikawa and also the Asian Championship, she says that Tactics does play a role but not that much, for her is more important how good physically she can play, which does free her playing style on the table, making her much faster and playing more clever and aggressive. Also after the Asian Championships she did still play strong VS the Chinese Players when you look at the results and see how many points she have done, would she be that day again in a very good physical condition - I think it would be no problem. Also Mima Ito plays very strong VS Chinese players she got now over a half year a depression in playing Table Tennis but it seems to be over. When they both won as youngest so many titles and did already play in double very good vs Chinese plays with 13 years old, it was clear to see that these is enough potential to grow even much strong and to become Top 10 players. They did play games where they did make 5 or 7 points in a game, what is amazing VS Chinese players without international experiences, still 13 years old and never(not much) face them in a match, there is no one ever known in Table Tennis was that far and good playing international with 13 and 14 years old, not even Ma Long and not Tomokazu Harimoto. They are now at this point today to be Top-10 players and now we will see how much and how fast they can improve to be No.1 of the world, which is still a long way when they do not improve fast and do not win their tournaments they will not make it, it has to be in the next 3 years. But they have really to hurry-up there are also very young talents in China coming-up stil 6 years old but far much better then Ding Ning and Ma Long at this age, they will be No.1 in 10 years or so. It was easy for Miu Hirano to beat Chen Meng and Zhu Yuling, also when Ding Ning was still on the Asian Championship sadly not such a clear win, also when also here the Games in Points were sometimes very close, you can see this only like this also for the World Championships and the China Open the other way around. The same for Tomokazu Harimoto who is still very young when he does still improve the next 3 years he will beat Chinese Top-Players with 16/ 18 years old. Also to say that the new plastic ball and other rules are not so good for Chinese players, what I think is stupid to the sport and has to be forbidden, it is very important that the sport gain in speed and spin. It is not professional table tennis anymore when even my grandma can get the slow plastic ball without much spin, it is a shame for table tennis as a sport, but also balancing out the Chinese Elite to the rest of the world and some players could forget their Table tennis career by this stupid new rules like mostly all defense players like Suh Hyo Won, Joo Se Hyuk...... even to play modern defense mixed with attacking does not make sense anymore and is soo hard to win now with the plastic ball, which got less spin and jumps off a little bit higher and is also slower - I hope the Ball companies will fix this problem with the plastic ball as fast as possible and are not think of their stupid money, but to say for today the plastic ball is by for NOT playable in professional Table Tennis. I think it is also sad that Mima Ito and Miu Hirano did not play double all the time and did stay together, I think there is no one will have chance today when they would stay together and playing double all the time till today, but the Japanese Sport Politics are making these decisions. New Olympic Discipline is now Table Tennis Mix Double maybe we can see there Miu Hirano and Tomokazu Harimoto as a Mix-Double-Team in Tokyo 2020 would be soo great.
she is nothing but a loser she is out in round 32 at the Australian Open
when will my blade be dilivered??
Abhinav Mallick Never i stole your Blade hehe
+Abhinav Mallick check my fb page. they sent the gift today
Chinnesee player take the game both seriously and personally way deeper than i ever imagine (sounds like MAMBA Mentality) no wonder they lead the game.
Honestly,They took everything like war. Imagine hunging a player's name in ur training hall thinking of getting rid and killing him in an upcoming competition
why did he mention the coaches are chinese? they are chinese but train the japanese team. in every countries there are chinese. now do you want do claim that every thing is from china? the chinese coaches train the japanese players successfully, which also mean you suck, don't you coach? its really poor to mention that as an excuse for the success of Miu Hirano. totally arrogant!
vietnamese accent is so hard to listen to lol
That's why there is subtitles
How come the Chinese always are too proud of the table tennis??? every one can become the top if you got the talent, understand the principal techniques of this game of sport and off course you have to train hard and have passion on it
Same if other country beat the US in basketball. Its regarded as the national sport and they have been on top for many years. Of course they are super competitive about it. I dont find anything bad about it
this guy speaks English in a hilarious way !
Seriously, how old are you to be amused by that?
Let’s hear you speak Chinese
Coach Ma Lin? Really? Lmao
every hero behind has a Chinese coach . sad but true
You are NOT Ma Lin, and try to speak for Ma Lin.
She is made in China 😂😂😂😂
thank you. but use simple english please
Ma Lin is a fool.
chinese are scary and dont subjugate to opponents at all costs
This guy can make 100 videos about Miu. It won’t stop her from reaching the top. Actually it’s an honor that a 17 year old can get an opponent’s coach to have to make a tape on how to beat her. Quite funny and useless.
name of the song in the end?
Monody
thx,Andrew