We Tested The New Stihl Zero Turn Mowers. How much are they? Isn't it just a repainted Ferris?
We had the opportunity to test the new zero-turn mower lineup from Stihl at Equip Expo 2022. We posted a few videos on our Tiktok channel and got many questions like, "Those must be crazy expensive" & "Isn't that just an orange Ferris?" & "How many pulls does it take to start?" Well, we got to the bottom of it and asked the questions that everyone was asking.
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I like how you put up, "3 minutes until Ferris comparison." That's a handy posting because that's what we're here for. Keep making videos man... I'm diggin your video/narration style.
10G for a 52” cut. These prices are absolutely nuts! #FJB
Nah sthil is just overpriced. Im fairly new to the lawn care industry and personally use a Exmark radius S. They run about 9,500 out the door. They also have the E series which is a slight lower grade but still commercial. It goes for about 7,100 out the door. The only difference is that the radius s comes with a ultracut series 4 and a suspension platform as well as the motor of your choice. The E series comes with the ultra cut series 3 deck and does not have the suspension platform. (you can add a promo seat for around $600-800) and you get the exmark branded engine.
So it's basically the difference between Chevy and GMC
Yep just the paint and name with higher price
Precisely 😅
It's a Ferrihl.
let's make it a MEGA THREAD 😂 *STIHLERRIS* *STIRRIS*
*WAAAAIT A MIIIIINUTE!!!!* that means they're planning on a.. *"MOWERSPORTS" Tournament?!!!?!?* maybe *"TURFERSPORTS"??
Thank you for the video. I was wanting a ferris mower but the local ferris dealer was out of the one I wanted so I called another one a little farther away who is also a stihl dealer. So he only had one ferris in and said hey have you seen these new stihl mowers that are basically a ferris and I saw your video in the queue but didn't watch it yet, guess cause of my search on ferris lawn mowers. So the wife and me went up there and I played your video and can hear the audio [ driving] and I was like yep it's a repainted some what ferris. I trim trees professional for over 20 some years and we use stihl product so this is cool. Well we got one the stihl rz 560F even though I do like the Ferris red color better.
Great job again showing and telling, about them lawnmowers . Keep up the good work showing see ya next time see ya bye.
We have uncrated 3 so far that have fuel delivery issues caused by the pickup tube being too long and each had loose fasteners. Otherwise they are pretty good mowers.
You need to see my 2006 Gravely Pro Rear steer with a 27 hp Kohler with a 72" deck
Great job showing and telling, so the mowers look and riding good. But the 500 ride little better maybe,well that’s good to know. Well have a good one will see ya on the next video take care see ya bye.
i have a stihl chain saw . good luck starting that thing !
So, do I - and I don't need your luck. I can read.. the instructions.
Toro with my ride suspension is what I use and am totally happy with them.
I think I'm gonna buy a 54 Toro my ride very soon ..my old cub cadet is 18 years old and tired.
Stay away from short oil filters Use the longest one you can get if it will fit
Thanks for the tip!
That's what I do.
@@6.4hemidriver44 thas what she said?
Great Video. Saw you guys filming there
Very cool!
Should be interesting to see if these mowers are adopted by the commercial guys. I always liked the suspension aspect of the Ferris. I have an Exmark with a suspension seat, but it still isn't as forgiving as a real full suspension would be.
Yeah, I don't have Ferris dealers near me, so that was honestly the first time I had demoed either one so the suspension deck was new to me. I will say, that Stihl 900 series (same as Ferris 3300, not demoed here) was extremely comfortable and smooth.
The scag turf tiger seat is Super nice.
...depends on the warranty/maintenance packages...I will tell you right now the big commercial guys are sticking with Exmark all day long. There's too much bang for the buck with Exmark. I personally like Ferris, Scag, etc. but they're too expensive for 15 man crews
Yes the stihl zero turn mower is the same and the simplicity is the same as the Ferris also but there all the best on the market
Ferris lawn mower no questions it’s like General Motors
The Stihl model you ran was the Ferris 3300.
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@@hellocheckco They are assembled on the same lines at the Briggs and Stratton Sherill, New York assembly plant.
So, Stihl is trying to be more like RedMax or Husky with an all inclusive lineup. I heard that the mowers are not included on the Stihl fleet program?🤔🤔
Come on! A USB port isn't a zero turn differentiator. The big sell is the Stihl network of dealers across the country and if the price is the same then B&S made a good agreements with Stihl. Basically, they just expanded the Ferris dealership network. White labeling is not a sin. Its been going on for decades. I actually like the Stihl color mix better than the old school Ferris barn red. Lastly, I've got a Stihl dealer just down the road and was there last week looking at zero turns. Didn't see any of these white label machines. If I had I would have purchased one on the spot! Much prefer the ferris over the BadBoy and Hustler.
Yeah, I don't mind that it's white labeled at all... I actually think that makes buying one easier since you know you're getting a more battle tested machine. I agree with you that the dealer network is the main "pro" in this situation.
Yep Ferris makes them!!
I've owned a Farris IZ 700 for at least 5 years mowing 35 yards a week. It's by far the best mower I've ever owned! I've driven or owned almost every brand out there, and it's the fastest, best riding mower I've ever owned! I bought a brand new Dixie chopper and took it back the same day. I also own a brand new Toro Myride and I'm not impressed at all!
I'm right there with you, owned a high dollar scag before, wiring issues and cutting issues from the beginning. Bought a Ferris 700, been cutting for 7 years and I have only purchased blades and one battery.
I bought my first Ferris in 2001 and have moved up to the 2100Z. Looks like the suspension patent has run its course for Ferris. A lot of commercial guys run Ferris because they are not hard on your body. I don't think Stihl was making mowers 20 years ago.
Ferris still has it I believe. They're building these on contract for Stihl
I have a 2014, just an IS700 with an upgraded suspension seat, but it has been rock solid.
Note: Stihl and Ferris partnered up to create the Stihl zero turn mowers, that was smart of these two companies, quality zero turns right from the start! kudos!
Your comparison would have a LOT of variables. check tire pressure, shock adjustment, do they both have suspension seats? if so, sre they adjusted the same?
I own many Stihl products and I am happy with them all but if the Stihl ZTR mowers are anything like the Ferris mowers then I will pass . Neighbor bought a Ferris and has had nothing but problems after only having it for one week . He says that just about every nut and bolt has fallen out and he even had to replace the deck and some kind of pump on it . But he did say that it was a smooth ride when he could use it .
They didn't drop them in our area.They are still for sale.
So which brand is cheaper?
will the Stihl dealers that do not sell the mower service them under warranty? if not, then the dealer count is was lower.
I bought my Mustang 50 to replace my "almost: kzhead.infoUgkx1VWTrayKBdCKAjzAcZ_Eg4dhHTae3LkN also recommend worn out John Deere L120 (48" Cut - 20 HP Briggs). First off - I can now mow my almost 3 acres in about 1/2 the time it took with my other mower... I have had the Mustang 50 for almost 2 years now... Maintenance is easy - the Kohler Motor is "out in the open" and everything, except for the oil filter, is VERY easy to get to... To change the oil filter I have learned to fold the seat forward - no problem now... The deck is SUPER easy to drop... Rememb..
Simplicity mowers r the same too. Just orange lol
True, but you can't get anything bigger than the equivalent Ferris ISX 800 from Simplicity. The Simplicity's also come with a standard striping roller behind the deck
Briggs and Stratton bought Simplicity and Snapper/Snapper Pro and Ferris (like 15~20 years ago) and now makes the Stihl models. Simplicity used to own Massey-Ferguson too.
Oh so stihl is doing a fleet program like what redmax does?
I'm not sure to be honest. The only "deal" they mentioned was the 0% financing.
only issue with getting into dealers for work is getting into dealers for work.
Briggs & Stratton owns Ferris and partnered with Stihl. Briggs & Stratton used a proven formula and put it out with Stihl, Stihl didn’t rip off Ferris. Just like mentioned in a post earlier, it’s like GMC and Chevy.
Like GMC and Chevy? No, more like John Deere and Craftsman mowers
I got an isx800 3 years ago for 8400. It has a 28hp fuel injected motor. Good suspension an 19mph road speed.... except they messed up at factory. It goes 22mph. 😂
So talk to me about the Stihl 10 degree side-slope limits where Toro is 15 and Cub Cadet ZTS is 20…. Seriously interested in knowing why so hoping a knowledgeable expert will weigh in.
Sherril New York same place a ferris is built
I've been trying to get a ferris
just bought 52" RZ152 model 0% for 48 months
3:08 “for a business just starting out…” going into twenty to thirty thousand dollars in equipment is suicide
Right, that's what the reps are pushing, but I don't recommend doing this when starting out. However, someone who has a good book of business and is cashflowing could spring for an entirely new setup that they know they can pay off. The unit I "recommended" from this line is the 500 series, since it has the lowest price point of their commercial units.
no, dawg, has talking about the finance plan. Then he talks about the 10 grand mower for the price, and that's very true. you are looking around 8 grand to 14 grand, typically. as long as you have clientele, i don't see how this would hurt. I'm a new business and I'm totally gonna do it. the finance plan for the 10 grand one for 36 months would be 277 dollars a month, not bad. i don't have a crazy amount of clientele, and i know i could definitely do that. the top of the line one would be 477 or something like that, id consider that after a solid year of work for the next season. after 2 years, you should be able to hire people, sometimes way sooner. i added everything together, and exactly everything id need to do the whole season without not having a right tool for the job and it came to roughly 5800 dollars and thats added with a 3000 dollar used truck. with all that you should be making enough income to afford the 10 grand one, as long as you have at least 10 clientele, that give you stready work for the seasons. and the mower will bring in the cash. especially if you are in up beat area, seeing brands catches people. its our society.
Yep, every year in my area I see at least 1 or 2 people selling a lawn care setup, trailer/mower/trimmers. People who bought at least 20k in equipment, only to find out that making good money doing lawn care is hard.
Great review!
Both are made by Briggs and Stratton power products group.
Correct!
..for a 1-man lawn care businesses, I would get a Stihl mower im a heartbeat. I don't see the big commercial crews using these though. Exmark is still the best bang for the buck.
It's a repainted Ferris. It's identical to Ferris.
Basically, yeah.
It's a Ferris. Which in the end....all are now owned by Briggs&Stratton
I'm looking into maybe the stiihl electric but the price is around $27000! Why so damn high?
You have to pay the stupidity tax.
They are all the models that Briggs just yanked from the Simplicity catalog, hurting their oldest brands dealers even further than canceling the legacy XL.
Hot take right there! But not wrong.
@@hellocheckco i'm a 3rd generation Simplicity/Allis dealer. its what we all think according to the guys i exchange info with.
@@destrosuicide6555 I appreciate you sharing this. That's awesome that you've been in the industry on the dealer side for so long. I wish you the best and thanks again for the comment!
The only differences between the Ferris and the Stihl is the paint color and the price. haha
I'll stick with my red 61" ferris with the vanguard system that cost me $9600
If you drove the 3300 ot would ride the same as the stihl
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This is made by a Briggs and Stratton as is Ferris.
Is this a Ferrihl?
They are the same mower made by same company
10k i just stick with my 52 cut scagg for only 6k
Why say ‘except if you have the Kawasaki engine’ is there any reason for that
I find it hilarous that steele, who make themselves out to be fancy, is rebranding a briggsanstraton an marking ut up
It’s the same mower man.
The winner will be best payment plan and interest
Ya, and the reps were really pushing that. I believe it was 36 months with 0% interest. If you can't make that mower pay for itself with those terms thennnnnn 😬
I only use Stihl Chainsaws............ Just not great when drinking to much PBR! ill tell ya what.......
Yo master mowers is selling ferris way cheaper than that guy right there just saying🤷
One problem with your dealer support claims…….most Stihl dealers don’t carry the zero turn mowers. My closest Stihl dealer is 10 miles away. The closest that carries the zero turn mowers is 77 miles away. Cue safe trombone sound!
Briggs and Stratton's business model lately is to lose dealers. Won't be long before all their product lines are gobbled up by manufacturers who know what they are doing
Briggs is actually looking for a buyer for their Singer, Ferris, and Simplicity lineup. They're wanting to focus on their commercial engine division worldwide.
suspension gets a bit overrated for zero turns, it's hardly needed
18k for a mower is rediculas 😂
Rural king (big box) sells stihl... just sayin
Where is that based? I've never heard of it
The big stores can't carry them. The dealer will have to be a full service dealer, and there will only be 2 contracts in a sales territory
@@hellocheckco mostly a Midwest chain. It’s pretty great
@B.Jammin it varies. in my area near pittsburgh it's wide. eastern ohio northern wv, and all of western pa. they will NOT let a non stand alone dealer sell them ( so no rural king or ace hardwares or JD dealers).... so they tell me.
@@jadosa29 Nice! Is it like a harbor freight or ace hardware?
Yeah,its a nice mower, but not the best bang for your buck. You can get just as good a mower,that'll make you the same money for a couple grand less. A 700 series john deere,a gravely, cub cadet,all have commercial mowers under this $10k price tag. If you just wanna say you've got one,then ok. I think savvy buyers will shy away and look elsewhere. They should of offered a more budget friendly high end homeowners option for around $5k,just my opinion.
That's fair. They had residential mowers, but I didn't test those. I'm sure those were closer to the $5k price point, but typically when you buy a residential unit you void the warranty if you run it for a business.
700 seris is junk not made for commerical
@@tgh223 what do you base the (junk statement on)? They're actually very nice mowers and are used quite alot by pros and large property owners. If you just dont like them then that's fine,but it hardly makes them junk. They have a 4 year 1000 hr warranty, 24" plush seat,24" Michelin twills,hydrogear z3400 hydros,8 gal fuel tank,7 ga deck,and Kawasaki fs or fx engine,and will do 9.5mph. There is better out there,but Deere's price,warranty, and service are tough to beat.
@@ciphercode2298 All the same price without the suspension system. The paint lasts a long time, but that's not everything.
it can be a ferris or stihl. parts are going to have to come from Briggs & Stratton one way or another. I'll run Ferris on my rigs for years to come. my dealers mechanic said dont waste your money on stihl since the name will just add a few dollars to the price tag
Is this the show they had to bury the dewalt at
Entry level for commercial use - $10,000
Right, entry level commercial for Stihl is probably a better way to say that 😅
Dang that’s a lot of grass to mow and nothing for owners Yes there services are very very good and parts
Some companies are offering around the 8k-9k range, for commercial entry level.
Yea but what a nice ride doing the work, I love it what a mower. John Deer really beat me up mowing 2 1/2 acres. never again.
these probably won't sell well, as a good chunk stihl dealers are John Deere dealers. JD dealers are not gonna service or sell mowers which compete with their own, and they're not going to stop producing their own, well established Zero turns in order to sell stihl ones, much like they did with the outdoor power tools in the late 2000#
i cant believe any one would pay 18000 for a mower
Easy when it makes you 💰
@@hellocheckco i can get 960 john deere for 13000 with kawaski not no junk brrigs
@@tgh223 again, it's all about dealer support! If you have a Deere dealer next to you, then I'd probably do the same thing given the price difference!
@@tgh223 Not a 960R you can't.
Simplicity is same as Farris too ck it out
briggs and Stratton Engine no no no what is Kawasaki not making engines anymore ????
$18000?? That’s a lot of yards…
Especially when dude and buddy down the road can do the same thing with a $2k mower
Briggs quality with a Stihl price . You might buy better but you won't pay more .
That's simply garbage, the Briggs engine used on these zero turn mowers are the Briggs Vanguard engine, you can't do much better than the high quality Vanguard engine, Vanguard engine is a tuff long lasting engine, ask General Motors and other manufactures they use the all the time.
@@melvingray5707 I was referring to the Mower being built by Briggs not the Vanguard. And from my experience (alot) the Vanguard may prove to be ok but it's got a long way to go to compare to the years Kawasaki has made some of the best engines ever bolted to a mower.
After the way they have dumped on me with their weed eaters, there is no way I would touch this mower
That's knot an $18k clipper that's bs
Stihl needs 5 yrs to know for sure.,ferris is no 1.
Just buy a Wright
Not a bad solution at all 😅
The Stihl is a Ferris and we don't need the drama from the video. My Stihl dealer carries Hustler and BobCat. I don't see him signing up for Stihl over priced 'white labeled' Ferris mowers.
I think MSRP will be essentially the same for the Ferris and Stihl. It doesn't sound like they're going to charge extra for the orange and white paint job.
Everyone has to understand a few things… it is 100% a repainted Ferris with only a few minor aesthetic changes. Stihl is not offering mowers at all dealers, it will only be a small handful of mower dealers for 2023. Warranty for Stihl is at Stihl dealer, Ferris/Stihl dealer warranties don’t cross over. The financing “0% for xx months” is built into the price of the mower. Nothing is free, you are paying for it. If you’re a cash buyer the Ferris unit will have a significant price advantage. The only real advantage Stihl will have is their “financing program”. And that’s not to say they’re giving any discounts, because this is NOT a fleet program, pay close attention to wording. Bottom line is they have a 7 year agreement with Ferris for them to build these mowers… but nobody knows how these will sell and/or if Stihl decides to buyout Briggs-Ferris and the Ferris nameplate disappears. Only time will tell.
This is really good insight and I agree... "no free lunch" is taught in economics 101! Thanks for the comment 💪
It might be a repainted but the second that mower starts to deviate from said manufacturing crap will hit the fan really fast. Just like STIHL’S moto mix. They don’t mass produce it but they did engineer it and if the factory deviates or try to rebrand it massive lawsuit will happen.
Why not just buy a ferris for less money. Buying a stihl is a lateral move. Now, if it was a couple grand cheaper than ferris, then the stihl would be a good move.
I am a Stihl guy, for chainsaws, trimmers, blowers, hedge trimmers. The zero turn market is very competitive and saturated. Don't care, not impressed, and probably won't make a dent in market share with Stihl zero turns.
That's a hot take, but it carries weight from someone who is a Stihl die-hard. Thanks for the comment!
Put it in real production not some pre fabricated wheat straw
Can't wait to. These aren't out in the wild yet... well or just go demo last year's Ferris cause its the same thing. LOL
Buying this Stihl product (AKA Ferris) is a bad move. Ferris which is owned by Briggs and Stratton which owns other products are making bad products and getting worse by the year. They are making them with parts and charging you a lot the cheap parts that break. Stihl is going to regret partnering with Ferris on this deal. Two years tops!
I like this take, but we'll see. I've never personally ran ferris (no dealers near me), so I wouldn't know. But if you know this from experience, then that will be interesting to see it unfold. My only counter to this is that Stihl is SO well capitalized that they could pivot to a new manufacturer and be okay. I appreciate the comment!
@@hellocheckco I have a Ferris 3100z big block 30 hp it’s literally the off brand of a true ferris
@@bobbymorris8571 I believe it. One of the Ferris reps told me that Stihl added lights, a usb charger, and some other specs and changed the color.
Is that why it's the engine choice that's growing in popularity by a large margin year over year? Don't open your mouth if you have no idea what you're talking about. The engines and these mowers are great quality, arguably the best. If ferris with a Briggs had a Scag deck you'd have the perfect mower.
It is a ferris mower they just painted it like Stihl and raised the price if you buy it they will stamp sucker on your forehead !!!! Lol
The MSRPs look really similar. I don't think its a huge markup. The question I have is, can ferris dealers sell under msrp? I doubt a stihl dealer would ever discount
Bad test. I have both ferris 2100 and 3200, both 61”. The ride is night and day between them. The is3200z is 10 times smoother and more comfortable than the 2100. You need to test the top stihl against the 3300, side by side and then comment. Wasted my time watching this.
i cant believe ferris did not sue sthil
Ferris is making them for Stihl
Oh man...... too funny guy.
STIHL shitting on there dealers again.
Again? I'm interested in what you mean... 🤔
The only reason I stick with echo is because most of stihl products aren’t worth the cost, 20 grand for a zero turn?! That’s ridiculous, and not to mention, the ms881 is just bad, you are paying $2300 for a saw that doesn’t cut fast, bogs down a lot, and floods constantly
Good thoughts. I run Shindaiwa which is owned by Echo.
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Eh too late and nothing unique
Fair.
man they copied ferris all the way even the deck
Not a copy. Its exactly the same thing made by Ferris/B&S
Its all overpriced. Goats can clear all surfaces rain or shine with none of the costly maintenance
They'll eat your grass down to the nub. No thanks.
Stihl is garbage
Get a haircut
Wit 10 k I will get a Wright 52 with out think
We've got staff that run Wrights. Super solid and proven machines!
The problem with Stihl is that majority of dealers are ace hardware stores now, and they are filled with lazy people who take 2+ months to fix your stuff and the only advice they can give is the advice from the manuals or their computers.
Dealer support is everything!
And they pawn all their warranty off on real dealers
@@courtneylewis4245 just too big of a pain in the ass with them, plus their reliability has gone to the dogs lately. I'm switching all my tools to echo.
I'm a dealer for them, and you'd be amazed how bad they screw us for the "privilege" to sell their equipment that they keep cutting margins on, we're also a big ferris dealer, and not too happy to have them setting up a zero turn dealer a town away
Stihl dealers have exploded in my ao. Used to we had two within a 30 mile range. Now we've got five in one town. Most of them are small outfits at lumber yards or hardware stores. No real ope dealers just sellers.
Stihl or ferris same crap will not hold a light to a dixie chopper!! Plain and simple the quality and durability of a chopper is way beyond those. Dixie chopper’s are built entirely better and have more durability low maintenance they just last longer and are better built.