Martina Navratilova says Lia Thomas shouldn't swim against women | NewsNation Prime
The day before University of Pennsylvania’s transgender swimmer Lia Thomas, 22, is set to compete in the NCAA women’s swimming and diving championships, tennis star Martina Navratilova said the rules allowing her to compete need to change.
“Its not about excluding transgender women from winning, ever,” Navratilova told NewsNation’s Rich McHugh in an exclusive interview. “But it is about not allowing them to win when they were not anywhere near winning as men. You try to keep it as close as possible to what it would have been had you been born in the female biological body in the first place.”
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As a former swimmer, the NCAA disgusts me. They should have not allowed this. I’m disappointed, angry, and annoyed at them.
I used to swim competitively as well in my youth - no way could I beat men. What a bloody cheater!
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What's next a man who's not that good basketball become a woman then dominate the women ncaa basketball this ridiculous for allowing it. He's not a woman I'm sorry and never will be
They are just terrified of offending a protected group. One word of logic, and it’s cancel culture time.
everything woke turns to shit
As a biological woman I am beyond outraged by all of this. What the hell is wrong with those officials?
Wokeness. The woke mob is responsible for these regressive policies.
But you are playing their game.......You felt the need to say "Biological woman". There is no such thing as a Non biological woman.
@@paulking8055 You got a point.
You say biological female? Why? You're a woman, male to female transgenders are not! Period!
@@RickPatNB he made a completely valid point!! Do you have a point, that is valid?!
“The rules need to change because it’s not a fair fight.” Well said 💯
Martina Navratilova...the hero we need in these dark times.
Lia couldn’t even come in the top 400 when competing with men and suddenly breaking records on the women’s team. That says it all. Unfair!
Plus, she acts like she doesn't know of that advantage. She is a cheater and is using trans issues to steal a championship.
I've said from the beginning... all we need to do is look at all Transgender competitors in the sport. In each case of a Male to Female transition, has any competitor EVER done worse in the ratings after they switched divisions? Has any Female to Male transition (not that there is many ) EVER done better after they switched divisions? If the answer to both those questions is 'No'... then that tells you without a doubt, there is a problem with the current situation. I would wager a year's salary that every single transgender woman, now competing in the women's division, has ROCKETTED up the ratings. Anyone who looks at those statistics and still says there is no difference with the biology, is being willfully delusional.
Yes it's called CHEATING
From what I’ve heard from other competitive swimmers he has horrible technique and form for a swimmer…just more proof that he has such a competitive edge due to him having been born and lived a male for 20 of his 22 years. Just because he’s taken HRT for 2 years doesn’t change the fact that his hands and feet are way larger than those of his female counterparts. HRT may reduce his testosterone but his limbs and extremities dont shrink-they stay the size of a full grown adult males.
What’s his real name?
This is not anti-trans or anti-gay, it is about protecting women who do it so hard. The trans people can be in a category of their own-that is fairness and a level playing field.
Based on what she said here, it's ok to compete as a trans athlete, just not if you win?? Give me a break. It's not on men this time either, look at the trans athletes to take some responsibility.
It is not about protecting women, it's about upholding the patriarchy by making you fear a minority. It's what facists and oligarchs do. every. single. time.
Where do you end the categories? They want us to use almost 100 different genders, so his many swimming lanes do we need? It's getting ridiculous, and feminists have managed to blame this on men. Give me a break.
@@robertarnold7187 The fuck are you babbling about? "They've" managed to blame this on men? Who is "they?" You sound like a clown who's just SEARCHING for a way to play the victim here when it's got ALMOST nothing to do with Men.
@@robertarnold7187 She literally said they need a BLANKET RULE. "And now I think it's clear we need to have a blanket rule." Now...for morons out there, she used Lia Thomas' placements as a man vs what she accomplished as a women to highlight the differences. Did you manage to make it ALLLLL the way through this arduous 6 minute video? She was talking about how Renee Richards...who WASN'T winning and she made a point to say that...how she SHOULD NOT have been allowed to compete. So if you watched this video and your takeaway was "it's ok to compete as a trans athlete, just not if you win," then...well...simply put, you're a moron.
Thank you, Martina, for doing this interview and for discussing Rene Richards, your one-time mentor, and coach. You have been a courageous person for your whole life and you show it again by agreeing to this interview. We love you a lot.
My mom was a tennis reporter during Martina's best years and she had a very good relationship with her. I have loads of respect for her. She's straight up on the level.
And she knows what she's talking about! "I've played taller women and won. I've played stronger women and won. But if I played against any really good male player, I would lose. That's basic biology." -- Martina Navratilova. If we let trans-females compete against born females, why not let an ostrich compete against men runner? Or a cheetah? Why not put a gorilla in a ring with a male boxer? In athletics, BODIES matter!
Thank you Martina Navratilova for speaking up for women as a true women’s champion. This isn’t about bigotry it’s about reality and fairness. This is the result of political agenda.
Absolutely
She is a HE..... Simple.. The real women should refuse to swim.. Let him swim on his own. 🏊♂️
She's not a he anymore but her body has formed and grown under the influence of her natural testosterone all her life until her change. There are biological differences in bone structure and center of balance that cannot be denied.
She did not speak up for women, actually people like her is the problem. Anyone who refers to HIM as her is the problem. For Christ sake he's a G'damn man! Effing idiots!
@@stephanie-iy9xg How is he not a man anymore? What are you lost or something. Jeez!
If Lia wants to win one for women athletes, Lia should compete in men's swimming, and take home first place. Real women look out for one another, not unfairly keep other women from succeeding.
He was a nobody male swimmer
But women marched & demanded that anyone who says they are female be treated like they are indeed female. So they got what they wanted & now are crying about it 😂
She’s not a woman though, she can feel and identify as a woman, but as far as definition of a woman goes, which is a female adult, which is defined as ‘the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.’, so by definition she is not a woman. I think anyone who identify as a man or as a woman can compete with that social gender as long as their chromosome match it as well so there’s no unfair advantages.
Some (not all) women are so funny! when it fits them they claim that men and women are "equal"... (for instance when it comes to promiscuity they claim that both genders are "equal" so they argue that women being promiscuous is the same as men being promiscuous even though women are the ones who get pregnant and the ones more likely to catch a STD) but when it comes to sports or fighting wars they claim that men and women aren't equal...!! Similarly when it comes to aborting kids some of them are liberal but when it comes to proposing marriage they are "traditional".. How about deciding once and for all whether you're liberal or traditional? it's absurd to claim to be liberal or traditional only when it suits you. Also some liberals whine about how male athletes are paid better than female athletes.. ( I have never understood why women's sports have such poor ratings when lots of liberals care so much about how female athletes are "underpaid" if those liberals actually supported women's sports then female athletes would get paid as much as male athletes! ) well... if we got rid of men's and women's sports and both genders competed together then female athletes wouldn't be able to complain anymore about being underpaid because they would obviously get paid as much as their male counterparts if they competed together.
You should work for the NCAA swim coaches. At least your presence will merit reason.
AMEN MARTINA NAVRATILOVA! THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING UP IN DEFENSE OF WOMEN IN SPORTS ONLY COMPETING WITH OTHER BIOLOGICAL WOMEN!
Thank God, Martina is the real deal-- she’s objective, honest, and not afraid to speak out
How on earth did this ever be allowed to happen? How insane!!
Progressive Radical Woke Liberal Ideology!
People will always push the boundaries. It's human nature. Rene Richards started this whole controversy back in the 70s. The arguments are all still the same. Nothing has been resolved. I think if the other athletes feel strongly about this, they should boycott competition. It's sad because I don't think most college athletes are transphobic, but that's how they will be painted.
It’s not insane but there may not be enough data to support the current rules or just enough to make themm seem plausible when they may not be. Muscle strength and tone reduces for trans women after treatment putting them well within the range of CIS women (the difference may be greater for people who got puberty blockers… girls are often bigger than boys before puberty), but that might not take into account some other differences than might provide an advantage in some sports. Research is needed to show where and when this may or may not make sense. If it didn’t make sense in some areas (e.g., shooting), then to make a distinction wouldn’t be fair either. Then, there’s another can of worms. I sort of doubt that much research exists if at all about women from birth who have XY chromosomes. We likely have no idea how many women athletes have that genetic difference and there are other biological differences (e.g., cellular and hormonal on the development of sex characteristics) that also effect one’s gender and they’re not as rare as you might think. It’s actually more common than most would think. What doesn’t help the discussion or motivate research is people acting like it’s outlandish that trans women might compete fairly. There many be many ares where they could. We need to make sure universities have the funds and the will to do the research and that reasonable voices are heard in the meantime. People making comments like he’s a she or she’s a he are not helping matters nor are people trying to ban all trans women from women’s spaces. Having trans friends when trans women were barred from attending in the past, I didn’t attend. The nastiness spreads out to all sorts of masculine women-straight and gay-getting untoward comments in bathrooms. Witch hunts work in neither direction.
@@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS Short answer: it's complicated. Greater height and reach are a competitive advantage in many sports. I don't blame biological women for protesting, nor do I blame Trans women for wanting to participate in sports. The debate has not changed since Rene Richards sought to play women's tennis in the 70s.
Like in the days of Noah and Lot…
I'm transgender and I totally agree with Martina. This is the most toxic issue in the trans community. Nobody knows better than a trans woman the effects of testosterone. We spend our lives trying to undo what testosterone has done to us by masculinising our faces & bodies. Many of us have multiple surgeries to "feminize", so that we can "pass" as female better. While we can have FFS (female feminization surgery) to remove our masculine features externally , which we developed due to testosterone exposure, there is no such surgery to remove the masculinity from our bodies. You can't make shoulders smaller, or a person shorter, or wrists thinner and hands less thick, or lungs and heart smaller, rib cages slimmer, etc... Most trans women have body issues with the size of our hands, feet, shoulders and general height being too big to "pass" as a cis gender female. We know that we're different - that's why we are "transitioning" for god's sake!!!! It's appaling that so many of us conveniently forget all this when it comes to the trans women competing in womens sport. Absolutely ridiculous argument which history will look back on with astonishment.
This whole transgenderism makes no sense. You either male or female. Whonare you to tell others how they should look? They can feel women as you do without feeling the need to change a lot. By your own definition you are no women. Just because you change and wear different clothing doesnt make you yhe opposite sex.
@q we can't have a serious discussion when we cant have honest conversations about the obvious. Its so much easier to be a trans and be at the "good" side of this story because he (Hannah) probably couldn't care less about sports or participating in professional sports. He can make all sense bottomline is his entire existence doesn't make sense. I am not pro this whole trans stuff, but its simple society either accept it as a whole of not. And not pandering in one way trying not to hurt feelings and in the other way (sports) trying to use biological measurements and facts.
To me, the interesting question that transgender people's participation in sports brings up is why is there a gendered division within most sports to begin with? If there was a reason for having men's and women's sports separately, maintaining the consistency of that reason should lead to rational decision making regarding trans participation. If there is no good reason to separate genders, we can have all sports be co-ed and see how that works.
@@eemoogee160 main reason was because of women couldnt compete with men thats why they decided to make a women sport only.
@@UnitedPacci well, I can't compete with a certain caliber of male athletes. Is that inherently unfair? Is being born male the most significant distinguishing feature in all cases? Common sense would tend to agree with your conclusion, for its simplicity and historical precedence if nothing else. But I'm curious to hear other perspectives if they are rational and well thought out.
Love this woman she knows what it's about.
Thank You to Martina Navratilova for speaking out.
Allowing Lia to continue will ruin women’s sports.
EXACTLY RIGHT, DUANE..!!
Most people are ‘live-and-let-live in peace & tolerance’ types… unless it impacts their lives or their loved ones. When they see this debacle of fairness in sports & hear of more and more “female” sex offenders being reported in the news they’ll wise up to see how this affects the safety of women in public; then their kindness and patience will only go so far.
@@hazelisaacs2201 every straight biological male should stay out of this mess lmfao. You said it perfectly. Thats literally what i was up to against these types who said things like live and let live and why complicate biology. Its all fun theh want to recognize them as female and cater to them but when it affects them now she isnt a woman anymore. Any rational thinking person knew this would happen. I am generally surprised how people act this surprised when we were demonized as alt right for literally saying biological males cant compete with women because they are males not women.
@@UnitedPacci straight men buy the most tickets to pay to watch these ridiculous events.
@@231lizard majority dont even care about womens sports, so do women. Thats why nba, nfl etc do much bigger numbers. And as i said, straight men should stay out of this fight. If women want to cancel and boycott its on them. We wont be participating since its not our fight. Goodluck.
Ranked 462 as a man and now dominating as a “woman”. Men and women’s bodies are different no matter how much “transitioning” you do. I don’t think Lia is naive and unaware of that. You will never see a “former woman” breaking all the mens records.
Lia knows what HEs doing he's not stupid.... But alot of us are for letting this happen
@@kelseykciuk7809 "us"? not me. i mean im just here trolling lol
He lacks self awareness, it's me me me with him.
Thanks I didn’t know this number - wow
So true 👍
Why should a man be allowed to call himself a woman & swim against real women, ridiculous!
I always have time for Martina and even more after her retirement. She speaks her mind with such ease and her opinions makes so much sense.
Please women athletes speak up!!! Everyone is backing you on this . Just have the courage and speak up LOUDLY! Thank you Martina
Men are outraged too. This is all on the rule-making authorities. But Lia Thomas not stepping aside also says something about her commitment to sportsmanship. She is playing by the rules, but not in the spirit of them.
@@devdroid9606 sports"man"ship
@@MN8 "ethics in sport" then? It really is spelled that way.
@@devdroid9606 dont blame Lia Thomas. Society plays it by these rules. You cant call a man a woman and then get mad about participating in women's sport. You already know where im going with this. The decision is for women to make here.
@@UnitedPacci I can blame whomever is responsible for stealing from women, Lia Thomas included
Nobody wants to say anything because they fear being “cancelled”. Thankful for those who are speaking up!
Cowards!
I always thought Americans were courageous, brave, high character and people with the highest integrity… where are those people
She cant be cancelled
Martina Navratilova has always had the courage to speak up and also be honest. She is a role model for everyone.
Progressive Radical Woke Liberal Ideology!
Stop giving up your power, ladies, stand down, and let him swim by himself. Let them run by themselves.
Well said, Martina is a highly articulate person and for me she always talks a lot of sense. I could not agree with her more.
If you have to pass a drug test to prove you haven't gained an unfair advantage, why wouldn't the same apply to a DNA test?
That's why the criticism of the Russian figure-skater was so absurd.
Common sense!
Because Feminist deny biology and say "Gender is a social construct".
That would require some thinking to be done prior to making some decisions. To high an expectation
@@ultimate6243 gender roles are social. Sex is not. Words can be tricky.
If Lia Thomas had ANY integrity, regardless of ‘the rules’, he/she would NEVER get in the pool to swim against women who compete in genuine women’s bodies. Yes the rules are sick and twisted…but Lia doesn’t get a hall pass here…take responsibility for your own choices with respect and consideration for honest, ethical sportsmanship Lia! You are NO winner!!
And she said she felt like she should be allowed to compete against women. I bet if the rules wouldn't allow it, she might be the one complaining. I have no empathy for the hate she's been getting. I've even heard things about problems in the locker room, but I'm not sure what about that is rumor. Activism is way too protective of trans predators and abusers. I bet a lot of trans people who pull sh!t like this aren't even trans, but are just using it to take advantage. It's not only harmful to women, but also to real trans women.
Right? The way this person expressed themselves in an interview after the "win" was disgusting to me. To be so confident and proud about the win is beyond pathetic..
It’s a he. Just ask his DNA.
He is a man, he was born a man and he will die a man.
Obviously to me, this person Thomas has no integrity, no sensitivity, no empathy. Very probably a low level psychopath.
Lia and the sport officials should be ashamed of themselves for giving out and accepting the medals.
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Thank you Martina! Amazing as always. I’m all for LGTBQ rights, but allowing women who were born male to compete against women is totally bonkers and fundamentally unfair.
It's bonkers because they are not women.
Exactly
If you support calling them woman then why everybody is worried they compete as a woman?
@@abelsietecuatro9249 the people that call them woman are only trying to be progressive or avoid being called transphobic. Some people who initially defended them only switched their view when they are negatively affected. However, they always knew the truth and that is these individuals were never women.
@@abelsietecuatro9249 and why would letting them live as they desire, which isn’t harming anybody, mean we have to accept them taking away rights from others? It’s of course possible to let them live as women, and accept their choices, and draw science backed lines (as international swimming associations have done just recently )
It’s about fairness. It is NOT fair that we can not have an open discussion without being labeled “transphobic”. The rules need to change as the times are changing. Women who are born women biologically, are the ones who will suffer if communication is not allowed and experts, doctors, scientists and athletes are not allowed to weigh in on the rules for transgender women competing.
These words transphobic or homophobic aren't real phobias in the definition of phobia. If I choose not to accept such things then I am a hater or homophobic or transphobic yet I don't fear them I just disagree with their world view. So because I chose not to accept this I am a hater or homophobic \ transphobic yet these persons aren't heterophobic or haters for not accepting my views? So what will happen when the day that pedo's say that they were born that way and wants their rights as well? Will we dismiss them or accept them as fact?
A phobia is an irrational fear. It strikes me as very rational to believe that trans "women" are starting to destroy female sports, and eradicate women from their own category.
It's awful how they're allowed to change the English language to suit them and bully anyone who disagrees.
the reason the trans community shuts down any discussion is because they know they don't have a leg to stand on. If they were sure of themselves then they wouldn't be so afraid to debate. You can only intimidate people for so long before they start pushing back.
@@emmacassidy8482That is 100% true!
How anyone could think this situation is fair is beyond me.
Yeah way to go Martina! Respected you 40 yrs ago, respect you today!
Lia still has "her" package, and I dont mean her purse! Stand up for WOMENS sports. I went through school years before Title IX. We had NO SPORTS! We werent even allowed in the gym after school because the boys were practicing there. Also tax dollars built a beautiful state of the art weight room complete with workout station, treadmills, bikes, free weights, AND GIRLS WERENT ALLOWED IN THAT ROOM. We could shake pom poms and do cheers, but no sports. WE ARENT GOING BACK! Speak out for your daughters, your granddaughters, your nieces! They deserve a fair contest.
Nope. No one cares what you transphobes have to say. And btw, this is an outcome of Title IX, so please enjoy. You created this. You deal with it #notsorry
@@dupe8383 you are wrong. go read title ix again
@@sunleo6161 go get an education. A real one, little girl
@dupe - kinda of a weinerish strategy you have. You hate feminism. And 4th wave feminism is likely responsible for this. And so basically saying you made your bed, lie in it. But dude, you are misogynistic so should be celebrating men beating women. But you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, commenting on a video of a woman speaking against it, making the change. It will change, but it will take more weiners/*women shoving women off the podium.
@@dupe8383 You can keep calling people names because every time you do it literally shows the weakness of your argument and position. And apparently a LOT of people care what is being said about this as stories have been breaking out all over the media for the last few months and now a backlash is forming against what is OBVIOUSLY unfair to anyone with a set of eyes and a braincell. Oh and btw even tho you are trying to call people transphobes simply for not agreeing with "trans-women" destroying biological womens sports, most normal people fully understand your tactics and realize that discussing and debating a topic is quite normal and democratic and that scares people like you with authoritarian ways. Further your obvious hatred for females comes across in your comments here and the name calling doesnt hide your very real toxic hatred of women.
Thank you Martina!!!! Yes, the rules must change. Lea has a huge biological advantage being born male.
Ya Think?
If one supports transgenders, then no complaining
@@gbovoni5630 Who tf are YOU to decide who gets to talk about What, and When? GFY, you authoritarian git.
She will be labeled transphobia... Support Martina because mobs Will come for to her...
The rules were changed but the Universities that previously said they would align to those rules were like "oh, but that would hurt Lia's feelings, so we won't adhere to those rules"
Cheers to the great champion Martina - she displays true integrity here.
Thank you Martina for speaking up. I wish more people would speak up.
Absolutely coherent statement. Enough is enough. I don’t want biological born male competing against biological born women.
I don't men in women's changing rooms and toilets either. It's disgusting.
Me neither.
@@emmacassidy8482 This is absolutely the fault of NCAA, how hard to set a separated changing room for the trans? I guess at that day only Thomas would use such facility. If this person was so special, then crown this person a special toilet not a woman competition title.
There's one way out of this: a strong and organized reaction from women's organizations, sports and all, plus boycotting the completely ridiculous and unfair competitions.
Yup
We all know what IS right. And right is not being allowed by the as always ruthless, vicious Left. ps: I like Navratilova. Always have. But sweetie, Thomas is equally disgusting, guilty. No excuses, period.
After interacting with a number of such organizations, the problem I am seeing is that a LOT of the board members of the American athletic organizations are non-athletes. They can be investment bankers, rich donors with nothing to do, rich men’s wives, corporate officials, higher education administrators, educators, etc. etc. that have NEVER played sports in their lives. So, they honestly don’t understand how much stronger men are compared to women. They genuinely believe that a quick hormone therapy would turn a man into a woman.
@@nondescriptnyc wow, was not aware, that just sounds crazy, like let's have doctors fly the plane, let's have the pilots do the operation. Actual experience in competitive sports should be a prerequisite somehow....
GreenWhiteBlue 💯
"People want the chance to compete". Thomas, as a man, was competing, just not winning.
Lia is very much aware of the reason why she is now winning, and is shamelessly using the situation. For me that is also a problem.
Martina is a wonderful example of female athletic prowess. I miss seeing her on the court ❤️ Please, someone listen to this WOMAN
Martin is a guy
Why would I listen to this beeotch. She started this whole f'n mess. Listen to the interview. She created this monster that is consuming women's sports. Now she wants to put the genie back into the bottle. Too late for that.
Martina is a fierce competitor, one of the best ever. I respect her for having courage to speak up. She's a top notch person, as far as I am concerned.
(Like) Martina should be the standard - anyone more masculine than her is a man.
@@blurtam188 Nonsense
This makes me think about all the people who were shouted down and labelled transphobic for simply stating that trans women/men were not really women/men. Now that women's sports is under threat I hope people will stop label slinging and use their eyes and common sense
don't count on it lol
Oh sure, because you give a crap about women's sports. You are pathetic
@@dupe8383 no one cares about women's sports and I'm a woman. Boring as hell. Love watching all the men sports though.
People aren't anti-trans they are anti-unfair. And they Trans activist just use the argumentative strategy that works... call you a TERF or a bigot to get what they want. They know they are lying. Anyone logical knows they are lying. It is misogynistic.
Yes, I remember that they have even fired doctors, etc., and destroyed careers and lives if you disagreed with these scenarios. Cancel culture has been with us for a long time. The situation is running its course. If women and girls object to what is going on then they may have to start collectively boycotting their own sport.
Lia should be stripped of his records.
Thanks for the support Martina! You’re the best and you’re right about the NCAA”kicking the can” and not following science.
She is right. NCAA is wrong in this matter and it's totally unfair.
NCAA lawmakers should be fired for letting this go on for so long.
HE is wrong too. HE knows damn well that HE has a tremendous advantage and is stealing medals from actual women.
NCAA doesn't care about other swimmer's feeling....Damn this WOK world. It can be unfair but they need to show they are open minded. They have never been so close minded.
@@larky368 You're right. I have no issues with anyone wanting to identify as whatever they choose but this is unfair to the many women who have worked so hard, only to be usurped by Lia Thomas.
@Captain Dan Got no idea. They are just wrong and unfair towards hard working women athletes. They sit in their office and make rules. They don't give a damn about women's feelings and rights. This dude is clearly taking advantage of weak rules.
I'm glad Martina still speaks up about this. And being one of the top women athletes of her time - we need them to take a stand! Thank you, for voicing your opinion on this!
The female athletes who compete against these men need to take a stand and stop competing, that's the only way it will stop quickly. I can't do much, except never ever watch or pay to watch a man competing in womens sports.
She is an all-time top athlete! Such a legend! And it's amazing to see someone like her, specially on her position, standing up FOR SPORT and FAIRNESS, and not against anything else. What an icon!
In an interview she said, "There are hundreds of men who could easily beat me. Men's and women's tennis are two separate entities and it doesn't make sense to compare them."
JK rowling sharon davies and martina have been villified for saying trans women should not compete with biological women
been a fan of hers since i was a child, love her even more now.
Navratilova was always badass on the tennis court- it's nice to see her still supporting her sport and in the right way IMHO.
If I were an athlete I would refuse to compete and yell at the top of my voice to anyone that would listen that this is wrong to allow transgenders to compete in women's sports.
You're right
Hello 👋 Laurie..... How's your beautiful day going out there
They're scared to be labelled transphobic, and that has many negative consequences in terms of sponsors and future employment, which i's wrong! And I say that as a member of the LGBTQ community. This is the problem with society at the moment the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. You cannot say you support women's rights and be supportive of Lia competing with biological women.
Leave Lia in the pool to compete with herself.
You would lose your sponsorship and would probably not be able to compete anymore at all.
He got tired of being 400th on the man list and unable to climb any further. So he calls himself a woman and suddenly. HE IS A WINNER.
Exactly! That dude cheated.
dont blame lia...blame the system that allows it....
@@johnholmes291 Yes, blaming Mia. Just because she has the legal advantage doesn't mean she doesn't know what she is doing is wrong. How can she smile and feel any sense of pride on top of the podium? She is selfish, narcissistic and downright immoral.
Martina is legend. Being logical is not always popular and I have great deal of respect for those willing to take a stand. Truth for the sake of sanity.
Such a hollow victory for anyone with any self awareness and empathy.
Obviously Thomas has no empathy or awareness. He/she was placed like 400 in men's and then figured out Leah could get the W swimming against women, and that is all Leah cares about.
@@jcfra420 im in a difficult position. Because while i am a trans women, i dont relate to these buff athletes claiming to have my condition. Like no you dont or else youd lose all that muscle instead of gaining it. Just her body alone should freak her out yet she probably trains to keep her muscles. So like you obviously arent effected by manliness as someone with my condition is. Another thing also im confused on, is that it actually helps me to blend in more, because now everyone thinks of a trans women and thinks, big, bearded, tall, muscular. Meanwhile im 5'5" 115 and i grew b cups and i have no muscle at all and no body hair. Within a year i lost all my muscle i cant even lift 25 lbs without struggle. Not that i had much but i was at least able to hold 80 lbs for a min. So like that tells me she purposely trains to keep her disgusting man muscles which would flare my gender dysphoria to extremes if i was her. Im so glad my interests are actually feminine and that i never gained muscle or mass i would have been so stressed out if i was bigger or more manlier. P.s. anyone trans reading you are still valid if your body doesnt match mine, but im allowed to look down on you if you seem fine with looking like a man as a trans "women" women being key word why you want to look muscular or even care about sports? Hate to impose gender norms but like they exist for a reason. Dont be mad if you get gendered wrong or if other trans people like me get upset if youre purposely building man features up. Our biggest representation now adays is from deceitful men claiming to have our condition. Like im not happy with lia im not happy for her, she only makes my life, others too, that much harder.
It Gets worse… There’s a biological male Who was in the military in special forces who is now claiming to be trans so that he can fight women. How disHonorable to have a military background in special forces and have an amazing desire to fight females who have no such background. I think there needs to be some kind of psychological analysis Of men who want to do things like this. Because essentially this man is beating women up and getting away with it under the name of sport.
Alice- Thank you for your comments. I believe you are accurate that these types of athletes are making things worse for the trans community. I think a lot of people want to support the trans community but it’s events like this that make it problematic for them.
@@latsnojokelee6434 id agree with that. It makes everything else that we actually want to never be listened to now. Now we are the bad guys no matter what even if we are just trying to live or explain the evidence behind our condition. And most of us are not like lia, we dont value muscles as its makes it harder to actually get relief from gender dysphoria or to pass better to be safer in public. Also lia's breast tissue should have changed even if slightly but there is still muscle, still back muscle too. So lia must purposely work out which also furthers the theory that lia is actually a cis male using the vulnerable for a trophy or title. Its insulting to not only to cis people but also us too. Our goal shouldnt be to hurt other girls, to view them as the enemy. That misses the whole point that we are one in the same. I think sports has to be by weight.
Martina is and has always been great. Trans’s should have their own category.
She didn’t settle on that. She talked about finding ways to compromise and to do the necessary research as it might differ by sport and whether someone got puberty blockers before entering puberty.
I added the puberty blocker thing because that might make a significant difference but we won’t know until the research is done.
@@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS maybe other people settle on that. The OP did not depend on Martina's opinion alone in making that statement. There are several reasons why a separate competition space is the only fair solution as has been the case with the likes of the Paralympics. Pretending immutable biological difference doesn't exist is like the Emperor's new clothes right now. Whatever Martina's opinion is, what women consider fair must be taken into account and cannot simply be ignored and swept under the carpet.
Here's a little song I wrote about this, sung to the melody of "Yesterday" by Lennon/McCartney: Yesterday, all us trannies seemed so far away, Now it looks as though we’re here to stay. Cuz’ we believe we're born that way. Suddenly, we’re not half the men we used to be, Thank god for hormone therapy, Still our testicles need surgery. Why we have no womb we don’t know we cannot say, Our junk is just wrong, now we long to slice away. Yesterday, we were happy to be known as gay, Now we change to trans so we can play, In women’s sports and win that way.
@@IExpectedBSJustNotThisMuchBS Not just research about trans. These lines need to be made for future 'body modifications' There's probably gonna be something close to 'super humans' soon. So... But yeah, this should definitely not be controversial to talk about. Problem is, there's a Cult of intersectionality promoting this and weaponizing it for political power which in turn gives them more power to weaponize it... it all accelerated since 2012. We have yet to reach Peak insanity btw. it's gonna get way crazier.
As always Martina comes out with common sense and the right attitude!
A voice of reason in a time when reason has gone out the window.
Common sense but thank goodness we have strong women like Martina.
i agree with Martina. I am a Gay woman and I am "expected to support this" but I do not. Even if the rules allowed this, why would Lia put her own wants above all these women athletes. I think it is very self centered.
So women don't complain if they have the advantage over men yet they complain if they lost the advantage over transgenders.
@@johncolambo3869 Take your prejudice of women in general elsewhere. I swear this comment section is full of woman haters. What are you even talking about?
@@vaskylark his saying that women brought this on themselves. Women were fighting for trans people saying that they are women too, now that trans people are in womens sports and whipping you guys butts, women are now complaining coz you dont have the advantage now. Im glad this happening. you brought this on yoursselves. Now you sought it out. We are not hating, simply pointing out what you women did. You cant complain about trans people entering womens sports when you were the ones that said they are women as well.
@@jinkazama2555 I was? I'm a woman and I was NOT doing that. In fact, I don't know a single woman who did. Like I said, applying this blanket statement that women wanted this is totally ridiculous. You are talking about the media and a handful of leftist loonies, not WOMEN. How can you not know that? How duped are you to actually believe women wanted this? On what planet? Not this one!
Saying that Lia has no fault in this is just a cop out. He/she is perfectly capable of recognizing fairness and she knows she's wrong for taking advantage of an unsettled controversy instead of being the perfect person to help settle it on the side of fairness and good sportsmanship.
HE HE HE HE HE.
@@elemar5 Rude.
Saying trans woman can put a rest to the whole he/she language issue. You didn’t hear Martina used he/she in her language.
perhaps the controversy with Lia and others will help spur research. If everyone bows out we might not learn the limits or be confined in our solutions for athletes. Certainly, CIS women athletes need evidence of fairness so as not to be discouraged or lose if research supports that conclusion. The instances described indicates that but even Martina said research is need and a compromise of sorts in the interim.
If not her, someone else would come come first in highlighting this unfair rule. If she is playing by the rulebook, the rulebook needs changing.
We need someone like Martina to be a spoke person to protect the rights of women sports. Thank you Martina.
Martina makes sense. She’s so respectful, there’s nothing bigoted here
Although Martina is brave for speaking out, she’s still playing it safe by saying Lia is just playing by the rules. If the rules give you an unfair advantage, you refuse to play. It’s called integrity
And you’re playing it safe we’re not using your name for your postings
lia did play by the rule. i can’t see how Martina got it wrong.
Martina is correct though….she’s playing by the rules of the day but those rules need to be changed.
@@fly89 Martina didn't get it wrong. She said Lia is playing by the rules but the rules need to change because they are unfair.
Rules are rules, following it does not mean you don't have integrity, it means the opposite of it actually. The problem is the rule - it is stupid.
I’m tired of people saying women aren’t standing up. The whole team has, too.
Absolutely ! When they're at the urnals.
Most of the women’s swimming team dislikes Leah… Wants her to go, but they’re scared to say it out loud on campus. The team even wrote an anonymous letter to the school they were scared to put their names down!
Well they publicly called him out for exposing himself on purpose to girls in the locker room, nobody did anything. They called him out for cheating, nothing happened. All that happened was the girls were threatened by scholarship loss. I have a feeling this isn’t over for them yet though. I could be wrong. But I don’t know. The NCAA can protest his win now too. He didn’t uphold his obligations as the “winner” because he was too chicken to go in front of the press.
@@fern7306 *him He's male. The English language uses male pronouns to refer to males.
Well, aren't lots and lots of women liberal? when women refer to a transwoman as "she" they are saying that transwomen are actually "women"... now, if they are indeed "women" they why would it be wrong for those people to compete in women's sports?
That's not a woman, that is a dude. Dudes should not be competing against women. That is why we have separate competitions. Why is this even a debate?
Martina = honesty & common sense ❤.
Martina Navratilova made a great argument I hadn't thought about. The sporting authorities are to blame for allowing this to happen, not the individual trans athletes. Lia Thomas hasn't broken any rules, she is allowed to compete against biological women. This means the rules themselves need to be changed and the sporting authorities have it in their power to do this.
I agree it’s the sporting authorities to blame, but let’s just be clear, Lia is as pathetic and as lacking in any honour or sense of fair play as an adult athlete would be who pushed their way into the junior division and scooped up the gold medals competing against kids and ruining their sport. A cheater, basically.
It is a diplomatic answer. But it is the bullying of the activism in society that is to blame, and the lack of nuanced conversation and asking questions.
True Thomas didn't break the rules. Rather he (I don't respect those who don't respect others) CHOSE to take advantage of those rules for selfish reasons. So he is still responsible for his actions. Therefore, he can still carry blame for those actions. Just as the NCAA can be blamed for choosing to allow that to happen. But blame isn't important. What's important is making changes to correct the problem which is women are meant to compete in women's only sports. If they want to compete against men, fine. But they wanna know that going into the training which takes practically a lifetime. No one trains a lifetime to automatically be in the low ranking simply because it's impossible to win against biological nature. That's why they have handicapped Olympics. Would it be fair to have everyone (male, female, amputees, transgender, etc.) compete together? Possibly. But it sure would make it disappointing for most of the competitors. Why would they bother then? Having them separate gives people the option to not only enjoy the sports they like but compete with others they have a chance of succeeding against.
Well let's start by stop pretending he is a she.
Oh FGS, Thomas broke a big rule- he lied, he kept himself in a category that was false for him, he accepted falsely gained rewards. He gets no pass at all.
Guys, look. The testosterone has already done it's work, that work is done. Massive shoulders, increased lung capacity, larger heart, larger muscles, larger limbs, more stamina, I could go on. This is why Thomas was going from 200-400 to 1st place. A mediocre male swimmer is suddenly first place against Olympic level female swimmers. That really is enough said, and enough is enough.
It stuns me that he has any pride in this achievement. Its shameful, he knows he has an advantage, he knows its a cheat
Mediocre? Seriously? Mediocre would be in the 30-50 range. This dude is 300-400 out of 400. That ain't mediocre. That's a shit-ass bad swimmer.
Bones, too, it ticks me off when i see headlines claiming no scientific facts supporting transwomen have physical advantage over non-transwomen, ncbi.nlm.nih.gov There are FACTS in addition to common damn sense. I wish ppl in comments section would not call Lia man, though, you weaken a VERY STRONG position by letting your prejudices show.
@@privatename2648 he's a man. look at him. listen to him. he even still had his male "parts". this is getting to be ridiculous and if we give him a pass it hurts true trans people. he's doing this to win in a sport he loves. it's obvious. he is part of the problem for trans people and the cruelty they endure.
The size of the heart and lungs corresponds with body size and in the case of the heart also with training. The stamina is not better in men than in women when they go without the effects of testosterone. Please inform yourself!
Martina is right - time for fairness!
Her words mean so much; concerning this issue 💯
It's about time we as women need to all speak out on this!
Now that it affects yall and you cant demonize straight men anymore by cwlling them trump supporters or alt right now that it affects you women. Before that you couldnt care less about it.
Lol women INVENTED identity politics. Men have been stating they need their own teams, groups for decades. You hated them for it. No one group has benefitted more from identity politics than women. To hear them saying "but there are biology differences" all of a sudden is funny. Men have been saying this all along.
There are women (adult, female humans) and there are men (adult, male humans). There is no such thing as a "transperson". If you're a man who wears dresses, make-up and has had his male genitalia removed, then that's what you are - a man who wears dresses, make-up and has had his male genitalia removed.
@@UnitedPacci Couldn't care less about what?
Well, women generally vote for policies that eventually placed a man in women’s sports. Men in the other hand made jokes and commentary about this for years yet they were call nazis, misogynists, right wingers etc...
The more voices we have telling the truth and more people will listen and see.
I hope so! I am on the left politically, and this is just absurd. And also unfair. Aren't progressives supposed to be for justice and fair treatment?
Yes.....The Rules have to change! Martina was the precursor of all this.
And who are we to argue with Martina Navratilova who speaks common sense. Well done Martina for saying it like it is, it's a pity other big sports stars don't follow suit instead of being cowards.
Martina one of the most dominant female athletes of all time. Definitely miss watching her and Chris go at it. Great to hear her speak out about this ridiculous conundrum. You were either born with one or you weren’t and based on what you were born with is what gender you should have to compete in .
I miss those days too. That was a great time for tennis
I remember the massive East German women too, so bizarre so see and now this
Im a 52 year old guy, many years ago in college, I dated a girl who was a track athlete, I was a smoker and never trained, challenged her to a race, I beat her fairly easily. That's all I have to say about this.
In my school days I used to top almost every physical tests in girls category from elementary to college. My scores were just average for boys. I tried some tests that were only for boys like push ups and pull ups and I could barely score one lol.
create separate sport teams for mutants!
@@MINI-ME666 Again, the world is made a better place by being kind.
@@trustmemysonisadoctor8479 It’s kind to be honest. Mutants are mutants.
@@sliglusamelius8578 Honesty can be done kindly without using degrading derogatory name calling. To use degrading derogatory name calling is abusive. To use degrading derogatory name calling under the guise of honesty is dishonest. Being abusive and dishonest is bad. The world is made a better place by being kind.
Thank you Martina, an objective opinion.
Don't mess with Martina. She's sound and knows her stuff 👍🏼
Yes, thank you for your understanding and courage to advocate for fairness. This is complete madness to think that a biological man with HRT is somehow equal to a biological woman in terms of physical or athletic ability.
Are there robotic men and women? News flash: All humans are biological, usage of the term is redundant.
@@justanotherguy469 Doctors need to know 'biological females' from 'trans gals' because trans gals do not have ovaries or uterus. Trans gals will NOT need to have pap smears, nor are they at a risk of ovarian or uterine cancer. Doctors need to know this because someone can dress like a woman, appear like one, but NOT REALLY be a female, biologically. Also, a 'trans guy' (biological female) will need to indicate that to the doctor so that the BIOLOGICAL FEMALE can have the proper medical care and test for ovarian or uterine cancer, or other conditions related to their BIOLOGICAL SEX. Note that hormones alter the SECONDARY sexual characteristics, and not the PRIMARY sexual characteristics, which is the sex itself. Sex cannot be changed, though it can be surgically removed, or altered with hormones. The presence of the Y chromosome in every single cell of a biological male's body cannot be removed either, nor can a Y chromosome be added into the cells of a biological female. Now, because of transgender issues, one is forced to add the adjective 'biological' to male or female to distinguish REAL males and females, rightly so, from those who CHOOSE to take hormones and/or remove their genitals to look like those of the opposite sex. Without the hormone supplements and the genital removal procedure, those individuals would not naturally 'trans' into anything. They would simply remain on the OUTSIDE what their BIOLOGICAL SEX is on the inside of each and every cell: MALE or FEMALE.
@@justanotherguy469 For example, a 'trans guy' (biological female) will never need a prostate exam. Therefore, primary care physicians need to know 'biological female' from 'trans gal'. Biological females will need other care, such as regular pap smears. On the other hand, a 'trans gal' (biological male) does NOT have ovaries or uterus, and will not need to have pap smears, for instance. A 'trans gal' (biological male) WILL NEED to have prostate exams later in life, because MALES have a PROSTATE GLAND and FEMALES do not have a PROSTATE GLAND. FEMALES also have smaller hearts than males. You know what, you are RIGHT. It is becoming tiresome and ridiculous to use the word 'biological' in front of males and females. There are ONLY MALES and FEMALES. The presence of the Y-chromosome defines a MALE. There, it's simple. Lia Thomas is, therefore, a MALE and always will be.
@@justanotherguy469 Note that obstetricians and gynecologists do NOT do prostate exams. OB-GYN doctors are for FEMALES ONLY. Lia cannot go to an OB-GYN and DEMAND a prostate exam just because HE identifies as a SHE and takes hormones!! Biologically, Lia is and always will be a male!! Therefore, 'trans gals' (biological males) need to be identified as such medically in order to get the routine exams they need. Trans community will NOT force Ob-GYN's to do prostate exams. What is the matter with you people? Have you gone mad?? Now someone here is going to call me trans-phobic for LACK of a SCIENTIFIC argument. That is what happens when people do not have science to back them up. Facts are not feelings.
@@nathalieloujein5959 Thank you!
As a life-long female athlete, I support all trans women/ men to live their fullest lives - and to compete in the sports they love. But it needs to be fair for everyone - especially individual sports at the highly competitive levels (college and beyond) - maybe the best way is to have three categories: MEN, WOMEN and OPEN. It's a tricky issue, but people of good faith can come to a compromise that honors the dignity of ALL athletes.
honor is all-important, there's no honor in pretense or stealing
create separate sport teams for mutants!
@@MINI-ME666 The world is made a better place by being kind.
I agree with you. There needs to be an open category. I personally believe Lia's actions will cause psychological trauma to not only her peer swimmers but all aspiring female swimmers who want to take their swimming skills to the professional level. This is catastrophic, a great injustice to the woman's rights movement of the 1900s.
there is already a category for men.
I agree with Martina in that a new "open" category needs to be formed. A person can identify as anything other than a biological male or female can compete.
The other swimmers should take a stand and not compete until their voice's are heard!!!!
That whole situation is anti-female 🙄 Pretty disgusting ...
You agree with Martina then that trans women should have equality outside of sports then? do You think what governor abbots doing in texas targeting trans kids is wrong? what rights do you allow trans people to have? What is a trans womans path to equality? If a trans child never experiences their birth puberty, is that trans child then allowed full equal treatment as a woman?
Females have attacked males for 60 years or more. Enjoy, feminists! The patriarchy must be destroyed! Equality!
@@bridgettc5988 why do you think men aren't equal? What rights do these men not have?
GOOD
@@sliglusamelius8578 EXACTLY!! HAHAHA SERVES THEM RIGHT, THEY DID THIS TO THEMSELVES
I’m sorry no disrespect intended but this swimmer knows exactly what this argument is all about...Transgenders should not be able to compete as women ,,, this would not be happening if it was a trans Male.
Yeah - DISRESPECT! A man is a man - you can't change your sex. This is insanity, and of course, women are expected to suck-it-up.
There should be swimming competition for transgenders....separate from men and women.
@@blizarddriz2 yes and we with intelligence and a moral compass realise this,,,, it’s just the soft sods at the top that don’t have the balls to stand up to this .... It’s disgusting that this has been allowed to happen,,,, if I were a swimmer I’d refuse to compete,,,, let her/him complete against its self.....
There are women (adult, female humans) and there are men (adult, male humans). There is no such thing as a "transperson". If you're a man who wears dresses, make-up and has had his male genitalia removed, then that's what you are - a man who wears dresses, make-up and has had his male genitalia removed.
I totally agree with Martina and it’s particularly interesting what she said about Renee Richards competing back in the day.
Navratilova expresses this very eloquently.
Here’s a thought: with every life decision there are gains and there are losses/sacrifices. For example, when you join the military, you lose many freedoms. If you get married, there are gains and there are losses. When you have children you gain the joy of children, but lose freedoms you had before having kids. Lia Thomas is not an innocent bystander. She wants everything ... all gain, and no sacrifice ... and she has zero consideration for any of her female teammates. Indeed, consideration of others is the basis of giving up certain freedoms/rights when you make life decisions. Lia is self-centered, egotistical and only hurting both trans people and female athletes. Lia herself is worthy of our condemnation ... and I certainly do!
Spot on! You are absolutely right! What Martina was doing here is called "deflection" which is a form of intellectual dishonesty. You see what she was doing is absorbing Lia Thomas of his moral responsibility because he is associated with the same community which she represents (the LGBT). Therefore holding him accountable too would result in backlash from within the community. If the NCAA decides to exclude transwomen from women's sport the LGBTQ community and all its ambassadors (which Martina is one of them) would be first to voice their rage and call for the officials of the NCCA to be canceled for being "transphobic". The LGBTQ is notoriously and excellently manipulative. Ever wonder why the LGBT community isn't vocal about this issue of transwomen competing in WOMEN's sports? As in, why they will never come out under the umbrella of the 'LGBTQ' movement and push against it? The LGBT community is a religious cult of its own, they are intentional in everything and that is why they are the best at lobbying their ideologies into policies even when it defies science or religion. It is nothing to do with fairness and equality, it is solely about POWER. Just like the BLM, nothing to do about black lives, it is about power to "do as thou will" (that's why BLM never speak about the unprecedented killings from gang violence or the heartbreaking rate of homicides even in Chicago alone, but that's another topic of its own). Those 2 organizations; LGBTQ and BLM are the devil's vessels.
William, aka "Lia," is a he. We hurt the cause of women's rights, including in sports, when we starting referring to men as women, or as she/her.
Lol mo sacrifice she hearing all this shit & abuse why ? because she chose her life to be who she is
I agree. Lia is no dummy. Lia may have played by the rules, but she definitely took advantage of the confusion and woke culture. She knows she’s got biological & physiological advantages, and that she’s unusually faster than most other women (when she’s just average as a man), yet she had no consideration in unfairly taking away from women. And forcing the young women to have to undress & shower with a male in their midst. They didn’t sign up for all of that, yet told to just shut up and deal with it. Lia didn’t care and pushed on for *her* privilege above everyone else’s.
Her undressing in front of other women is not an issue as she is FULLY transitioned , confusion ? what confusion ? only uproar is coming from the right
As a man I can't for the life of me understand how women "Biological" can allow this.....It's like a "Biological" woman taking a massive amounts of drugs....What's next Tennis, Soccer, weight lifting in the olympics..??? So women stand up, wrong is plain wrong....
Have u seen the male ufc fighter knocking out womens in the ring. Its 🤢 were these people are heading. They also impose their freaked out ideas on other countries
Because women are being told to STFU and if you're mad about the unfairness, you're a "TERF" (basically the new word for witch/b*tch). Women ARE speaking out, angry and pushing back, but no one is listening. Women are being kicked out of jobs, academics, censored, threatened and harassed for pushing back!! Female athletes have been told to keep quiet on this issue. I think there needs to be a strike.
His name isn't Lia. It's William. He is not a woman. He's a man
The Fact that we are even talking about this shows just how far we have fallen. the Bible talks about this but I never thought it would get this bad.
Martina has never looked better! Thank you, Martina, for speaking up for women and girls!
I met Martina at the US Open years ago. Absolutely lovely lady and I love that she has spoken out on this issue! 💜
Met Martina once in East Brunswick, NJ. So incredibly down to earth and really just so genuine. Biological men absolutely should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports. The NCAA and the University of Pennsylvania should be ashamed of themselves along with this man who went though puberty, was unsuccessful for three years in college and then bam says he’s a women and is allowed to steal the National Championships. Just disgusting.
The ONLY Reason "Lia Thomas" decided to switch from men's to women's swimming is because, in men's swimming, he was placing 462nd. He couldn't win. Swimming in women's, he was able to tie for 1st. It was the only way he could almost win a medal. He knew he had no chance. Men's bodies are physiologically different. There should be a Men's, Women's and a Trans category for EVERY sport.
If transwomen and transmen would like to compete in sports, then create a trans category and let them compete against each other
Agree!
YESSSS! Finally we are getting significant support. NCAA has a horrible track record of protecting Women rights now mote specifically biological women rights. I hope this momentum continues and this is handled so women had an opportunity to actually compete fairly.
Are you serious or stupid?
Which women aren't biological?
Thats the danger of allowing trans identifying males to call themselves "transwomen". Woman is a.material biological reality and category.There is no such thing as a "biological' woman or a "cis" woman. There are women and trans identifying men who like to live in the sex stereotyped role of women. Changing sex is biologically impossible. Stop grooming and lying to children about biological facts. Protect women's boundaries from this misogynistic nonsense!
Martina voiced her opinion against this years ago and suffered the full wrath of the woke. She was effectively cancelled.
So inclusivity is OK until it's disadvantageous to you right? So are we pushing for SELECTIVE INCLUSIVITY AND SELECTIVE DIVERSITY THEN?
When Lia talks about it is all about LIA. No mention of any others. SHAME.
I used to not be a big Martina fan but she has grown into a very wise and wonderful woman and a great role model.
I can’t fathom how Lia can feel good about winning and competing against biological women. If no one competes against Lia, then this injustice would quickly go away. If you’re a competitor boycott any competitions were men pretending to be women are competing.
lia is playing by the rules set and so its the system that needs to adjust this
Right? No woman would be able to do this without immense shame.
@@vesnalukic9877 Lia Thompson isn’t a woman though so maybe he doesn’t feel shame. Right?
@@stygianjack9017 that’s what I mean! Women are drowning in shame, that’s what we are taught to feel shame and guilt and responsibility for everyone. This person is clearly not a woman- the lack of shame and the entitlement are all male attributes.
The problem there (I am speaking as a competitive female athlete) is that if athletes don’t compete, they are the ones who suffer by not getting points, money, rankings etc. When you’ve worked your whole life to get to that level, to not compete is heartbreaking. It is not so easy as an individual to simply boycott, despite the fact it might help the situation otherwise.
I was a swimmer in high school. 100YD butterfly and 500 YD freestyle were my specialty events. Lea is a male. The muscles, bigger feet and bigger hands enables HIM to move more water than a woman can. UNFAIR.
Those feet of hers could push a catamaran to Catalina at 40 miles an hour , she could waterski on her own feet and only Lane Bryant could fit her with stilettos, she’s a big big girl
This could never have been said better.
They can compete against men. No one is stopping them. Protect women's sport.
"Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken." -Tyler Durden