Was it a mistake to substitute Harry Kane in Bayern Munich’s Champions League defeat? Would you rather have Vinicius Junior or Kylian Mbappe in your side? Will a Premier League spending cap work better than the current Profitability and Sustainability Rules?
Gary, Alan and Micah also discuss David Moyes’ upcoming departure from West Ham and whether he has been harshly treated.
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00:00 - Intro
00:54 - Real Madrid v Bayern Munich
14:20 - PSG v Dortmund
21:25 - Champions League Final Predictions
23:44 - Harry Kane Missing Out
25:00 - Nottingham Forest Deductions
32:14 - Chelsea Finding Their Feet
35:00 - David Moyes Departing From West Ham
38:10 - Crystal Palace v Man United
People are feeling like the "goal" would have sent Bayern Munchen to the final, but : one, Real Madrid players stopped playing, as did the goalkeeper. Two, it would have sent the game into extra time, and Bayern had to survive 30+ minutes without their three best offensive players. It could have perfectly gone 5-2
Extra time would have been a bloodbath.
A 100fcking% Lunin literally just freezes at the whistle blow. I'm a Barça fan but had the play continued it wouldn't have meant a goal
It would have never get to extra time, RM would have scored as many goals as needed
Esa es toda la verdad.
let's be honest, bayern did score here but just because the referee wisthled and real madrid players even the GK stopped playing, if the referee didn't wishtled or canceled this play the goal would never got in anyways.
Stop calling it a disallowed goal, there was no goal. Once the whistle blew any subsequent action or play doesn't count.
Real Madrid is an actual big club. Not like so many clubs that are called wrongfully "big clubs". They are the definition of winning in football and have been for 100 years.
The other were oil clubs and wall street clubs.
@@ronnyron4681 Real Madrid isnt that different to oil clubs they get massive windfalls from the government. whats different to other clubs is that they have been well run this whole time and also been rich the whole time which leads to them attracting the best players and managers. like chelsea might spend as much as Real Madrid but the best players wont join them when a club like Real Madrid is an option
"every club is oil club, except my club" lmao
they are definition of cheating club, Florentino holds all refs in his pocket
@@liam3104 You act like English clubs don't get govt. help. Not too long ago Sir Jim Ratcliffe was asking for the govt. to pay for the new United stadium. Chelsea used to be run by a KGB puppet. Cutluyna govt. backs Barca Man City is owned by a country Newcastle is owned by people who kill journalists Bayern used to have a swastika as a logo Macron was interfering with Mbappe's transfer People should accept that all clubs are favored because they are a commercial asset to their respective countries. Real Madrid is just that well-run.
What can be seen at Real Madrid is that they manage all the football records and the players apply themselves thoroughly to comply with the demands of each match. Everyone fights for the team and doesn't stop until the referee whistles. That is a sign of humility and respect for the sport in which Real Madrid are undoubtedly the kings.
Joselu has actually scored 17 goals this season
I’ma Barcelona fan and honest. Madrid are probably and definitely the biggest club and the greatest club in the history of the game.
7:27 - wrong Micah. Completely wrong. *You have assumed that if there was no flag that there would have been a goal.* You can only speculate about what would have happened because the whistle blew and almost 3 seconds passed from the start of the whistle to the ball hitting the net. Rudiger, Militao, and Lunin had all stopped. Militao made a half effort to block it as you would in that situation and Lunin was standing upright when de Ligt hit it. I speculate that either (a) Militao blocks it, or (b) Lunin saves it, or (c) Rudiger also gets back to assist Militao and blocks it. Seems to me the chances of it ending up in the net if no flag goes up are very slim. Therefore, they did not get a goal chalked off. There was no goal. For a goal to chalked off, it needs to be, for example, Joselu's second - he scores with first touch, the linesman raises the flag, and the ref chalks it off. THAT is a disallowed goal.
Absolutely correct. Finally some context on this discussion, when most of these " public personalities" purposefully ignore.
Probably goal or not
NACHO LITERALLY DUCKED AWAY FROM MULLERS TERRIBLE BALL IN OMG
And (d) Even if it would gave counted: Good luck beating madrid in et without kane, sane, gnabry & musiala
They were just speaking from an emotional standpoint and not a rational one (like many fans out there) @@getrekt8529
Real Madrid did comeback in their first European Cup final against Stade de Reims in 1956. They have been coming back since... forever. What most people don't get is that every other club have a playing philosophy or style but Real Madrd simply has a goal: to win. That's why many pundits talk about in a way that comes to show that they don't understand the importance and the difference of those two positions: for them is not about playing football is about winning championships.
As a Madrid fan, The refree made a mistake, the question is not whether or not it was an offside, He should have let the play on. But I'm not sure how any of it is Madrid's fault. We have suffered multiple times this season due to absolute incompetence of refrees, but no one mentions that. Still remember when the ref blowed the whistle while the cross was in the air and then disallowed the goal and gave Bellingham a RED.
The thing about Vini Jr for me is that he is so relentless. He runs all game. He never shies away from the ball and always looks to take on his marker with a new trick. That must be hell to play against. Top 1 in football right now.
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Exactly, imagine being the one who marked him thinking you've done a great job and the next minute he still coming to you yet again
Real Madrid have been doing this for decades, it’s not new for us Real Madrid supporters.
It’s still funny when you think somehow Ancelotti was at Everton
Neverlusen vs Real Madrid gonna be hectic once it hits the 87th minute in the super cup
I think the universe would implode as it will be never ending comebacks.
😂😂😂 dont write atalanta off though!!
@@CHRISSYCHICKtrust me they have no place in this script other than obediently losing because of plot
The super cup is a preseason competition, both teams are not gonna be the same...the match loses a lot of the allure it would have had it been this season...as a Madrid fan, its a shame we didnt get to play them
I bet my house on real madrid will come back and keep coming back. Bayer cant do it
The more you do this kind of comebacks, the more you expect them to happen. If you do it once, next time when the end of the game is close and you start getting nervous, you think that maybe it will happen again. If you're going it time and time again, next time the end of the game is close you are certain you'll get your chance. I watched a few videos from fans in the stadium, and in all of them you can hear the spectators saying even after the 80th minute "it's ok, we're Real Madrid, we can turn this around". And that's exactly how the players on the pitch feel. And even more, the opposing team is on the other end of the spectrum. They are like "this is Real on Bernabeu, they will hit us".
Specialy the opponents when they have a small lead like a goal or 2. They become nervous because they know Real Madrid is coming and many of them start making mistakes. Once Real Madrid scores a goal the game is over.
@@morgansdnews1155true: I'm sure that was what led to Manuel Neuer mistake
Pygmalion effect.
Not disallowed a Goal but Disallowed a chance
I don’t care how they play they are so close to there 15th champions league 15 for Christ sake that’s some amazing history right there
What about when the referee showed 2 extra minute but allowed play for more than 6 minutes, in which that controversy occurred.
Micah summing it up for Jamie and the rest of the cbs panel well with “if you bet against Real Madrid , you end up looking stupid”
Get it right, Real Madrid defence played to the referee blowing the whistle, the players stopped when the whistle went, if the referee action didn’t take place there was no guaranty the German player would score, he took the shot maybe he didn’t hear the whistle or did it to see what would happen. It was later revealed that the whistle went too early after video review.
It’s the fact that the linesman put his flag up too early that’s the problem. Sure you can argue that the players stopped but a goal could’ve still been scored maybe even in a different way and not exactly the way that DeLigt scored but we’ll never know because of the linesman.
@@abethebae6018 it was offside anyway
@@rajajinnah6749 no it was not offsides, Rudiger keeps him on
What I find amusing is that there seems nothing wrong with adding 6 minutes to the 9 min of extra time. Most claim they disallowed a goal yet all players had stopped so we dont know if it would have been a goal or not. So why do thay keep saying they disallowed a goal? It just shows how biased views are. I do agree that shouldnt have been whisteled, but at the same time the match should have also been over, the ref indicated he was adding 2 min to the extra time and that play took place at the 3 min mark, with no interuption from the 9 minute mark
@@abethebae6018The arm doesn't count iirc, it's till the shoulders
As a Newcastle United fan, I think the way Real Madrid play football is so impressive.. defending and scoring, is kinda similar to Magpie’s
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Real Madrid is the greatest team. Period. It was FIFA team of the last century and probably they will be again. Only team to reach 1000 goals in Champions! Team…more games in Champions…more winning games in Champions…They go two steps forward ober rest of teams in manu aspects including mentality.
Micah been hanging out with Roy Keane too much 🤣🤣 "Just do ya job!!!" 🤣🤣
Shaq says the same thing too! Especially to goad Barkley.
Carlo said on Joselu:" He is ok now but he might have a hangover tomorrow morning"😂
Halaaaaa madrid, real madrid giving the world beautiful scenes scenarios.. it’s like watching an 20 oscar award winning movie
Man Utd might anoint themselves the biggest club, but Real are undebatably the most impressive club
Why Man U would be the biggest club?
@@fmpefrat8005 ask United fans
It's Not a goal disallow. The Players Stop WAY Before they Guy kick to goal. All real Madrid Player Stop playing WAY BEFORE
Why do they keep repeating it as if a proper goal was disallowed?? Dumb. RM had stopped playing or were at most half-a$$ing in defense when the flag+whistle happened. Stop calling it a goal. Joselu's one touch goal disallowed was a good example of goal disallowed. These pundits always function on a bias.
Like Jose Mourinho said ,*” FOOTBALL HERITAGE.”* Madrid is not just a football club, it’s a family .
Picture the scene - Joselu waiting to come on - Ancelotti walks up to him and whispers in his ear - score 2 goals! 😂
It was Ancelotti’s son who told Carlo to put Joselu in the game! LOL
Why are these idiots assuming it's a goal? Madrid players stopped playing because ref blew the whistle! Do you really think 3 defenders and lunin would've just stood there had the whistle not been blown?! I swear people loose their minds everytime it comes to Real Madrid. So happy to see these salty tears.
Had the goal by Bayern been allowed, the final scoreline after Extra Time would be: Real Madrid 6 - Bayern 3
The strength of Real Madrid and no other team has that in the world is: EVERY PLAYER CAN SCORE
Neuer is the greatest the fact he came back from the skiing accident is mental
Amazing how when Arsenal were playing Bayern in the 1/4 Finals and all we heard was that they were over the hill (that was probably said in case Arsenal knocked them out)once they knocked us out not a word about being over the hill,suddenly Bayern were the best thing since sliced bread
In 9mins plus 6: 15mins of additional time,Bayern was unable to score so everybody should get over it.
about Joselu and players like him, it has always been there, it is.... "Zidanes y Pavones" approach.
And by the way both were offside. You can pause the video when the pass is hit and see that both de Ligt and whoever else was there were ahead of Rudiger. De Ligt's head was beyond the line, and his right foot was further than his head. It can be seen clearly from how close they are to the line on the grass. Both were offside. Good decision. Of course he should have let it play on, but even if there was a goal, which is doubtful, it would have been offside.
I believe the other one was Mazraoui.
I dont know how you can say madrids goal was offside. If you look at the last man on bayerns far end you can see he is a good foot or two ahead of rudiger.
@@kylespringsrandomguy I dont know how anyone can read my post and think I said Madrid's goal was offside.
Madrid win often because they often have good managers, ones that can deal with the big egos they so often recruit
Don Carlo ... he's a coaching genius.
Makes Walker look properly elite seeing that Vini performance the other night.
I was thinking that too, how happy and relieved Walker must feel 🤣🤣
The craziest part is that Vinicius is 10 years younger than Walker and Walker kept up with Vinicius' insane pace.
Vini played a wrong approch trying to overpower Walker who is very much stronger physically. He should have just trying to dribble or one-two with the teams.
Walker is an elite player, no doubt about that.
Tuchel was man of the match for Madrid!
And don't forget Neur
Rubbish. Kane and Sane both wanted to come off because they were injured.
@@bx1896 they told you?? I know about sane which was clear not in form and was terrible but not kane
@@bx1896Players of their calibre wouldn't mind playing for 5 more minutes in a game this big to seal the win. Tuchel is a liar, his tactics to park the bus didn't work!
@@BruceLee1.0 Tuchel said it straight after the match. Kane had back pain. He couldn't continue.
On the point of vini jr and goals, he used to be very wasteful but he has improved his game a LOT recently, his last poor season was 20/21 where he only got 6 goals and 7 assists... since that season he hasnt missed the 30 g/a mark since
20+ goals in 3 consecutive seasons
Which is pretty impressive but when he’s clearly one of the best attacking players in the world and we regularly see players on 40+ goals a season he hasn’t hit those marks.
@@daviebananas1735 Maybe but Vinicius scores a lot in champions league knock out stage. More than haland kane mbappé
Not to mention, he attracts 2 or even 3 defenders.
@@daviebananas1735 Give him time, he's 23. In the last 2 years he has increased A LOT his accuracy and it can only get better over time considering he's still very young
There was 24mins left , 15 normal, 9 added on when Kane was substituted, madness.
the substitution changed the match, of course. As a real madrid supporter, we were just afraid of Kane and maybe a little bit of Musiala. When both were out Real Madrid was like all the tribes from the plains against the seventh of cavalry.
The secret of Real Madrid is simple: No one is greater than the club. They do shrewd business with zero sentiments and plan way into the future. An emotional club would be blinded by hate and perhaps not sign Mbappe even though he is the best around but not Madrid, they leave the emotions to their fans. Of all the clubs in Europe they are the most prepared for the new champions league competition starting next season by paying the price and going trophyless in 2018/19 season after releasing Cr7.
love the podcast guys i listen to it every single day and i think the lads are very insightful especially al since im a geordie 😂. i’m currently doing my gcse’s and this helps me to chill out so thanks lads 👍
Lad it hasn’t been 10 mins since the pod came out and you’re already meat riding, and thank you for letting us know you’re a geordie.. hope you get the likes on your comment you’re looking for
@@tahmidth all i’m saying is that i enjoy the podcast am not saying i’ve watched it already?
@@tahmidthMeatriding accusations…tut tut There’s bants but mate … Agghh Get your head out the gutter. If someone wants to throw around some “excess” positivity…what’s the problem? Like some of these twats that go after Micah “He laughs too much, too loud.” It’s like some of you want to live in a dystopian society.
@@oliverburton2739You dont have to explain yourself. HE’S got the problem.
shearer, linecker and micah.. wow.. asias amigos, cuanto talento juntos!! hala Madrid.. 3 convertidos al madridismo más!
Real Madrid has always been great and its just that English media and former player horizon is just limited to England clubs.
14:13 "It was very delicious Micah" 😂😅
I am a bit biased being a Blackburn fan but Adam Wharton should be going to the Euros as an option off the bench. His vision and ability to see a pass and work the ball forward is high quality and would offer something different to the other central midfielders in the squad. His ability to release players like Saka and Bellingham could be vital in games that are tight.
He’s deserves to go more than more some of them and a bigger squad is aloud isnt it and we’re short at cbs as Maguire should be left out not on form but injuires and a little bit of form but if we didn’t have Maguire this season at certain points we would be fighting relegation lol
Hey I really like the positivity in this assessment of players and games. At the end of the day, these games were exciting. The players are some of the best of their generation. I like how you highlight the talents of Neuer, Vini, etc, instead of focusing on the shortcomings and mistakes. A lot of pundit shows endlessly harp on the shortcomings of the losing teams, instead of acknowledging the super human talents and generational athleticism that these pros and teams have at this level. Bravo!!
Instead of Big Meeks saying ‘good bye from me’ can he just say ‘Good bye from Meeks’ 😂 I’d chuckle pretty hard aye 😂
its not luck imo you aint 14 times champions of europe for nothing probably 15 soon aswell ok you can question tuchel subs etc but they keep going and find a way to win so fair play to them I aint a real madrid fan but they deserve great credit for what they do in the champions league its not a coincedence 🤔
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Moyes is one of the greatest managers the prem has seen from his time at Everton to his time with us at West Ham. Have nothing but love and respect for the man but it was time to go at the end of his contract, wish the board decided sooner or if he had done a klop and said himself that this was his final season that would also I think have been better. Overall no matter what he is responsible for the best moment of my football life so far and I will never forget that night.
It's interesting about Kane, and top goalscorers, and the relation to winning trophies, isn't it. In my own lifetime (since 1980), there have only been 12 seasons (I think) when the league's outright top scorer was in the title-winning team: Rush in 1984 Aldridge in 1988 Smith in 1989 Smith in 1991 Shearer in 1995 Henry in 2002 Van Nistelrooy in 2003 Henry in 2004 Ronaldo in 2008 Drogba in 2010 Van Persie in 2013 Haaland in 2023 (Yorke was joint-top in 1999, as was Berbatov in 2011) The evidence seems to suggest that it's far better for your chances of winning the title if your team spreads the goals out and all your eggs aren't in one basket, so to speak. If you're the top striker in the league but your team relies on you too much, they probably won't have that consistency needed to win the title. It's not likely to be a coincidence that Man Utd won it so much and the likes of Giggs and Scholes got more than 100 league goals in their careers from midfield. Kane never really had that at Spurs, though he certainly would have done if he'd been allowed to join Man City.
Real madrid are in a position where the lifestyle is amazing the club is amazing, the stadium is amazing...the kit the most regal and classic football shirt to ever grace football. They also have an endless pocket of money for the best players in the world and players are happy to play second fiddle just to have the honour of wearing the shirt. Real madrid are the pinnacle of football in every aspect and wouod be a dream for absolutepy every football player/fan in rhe world.
I would like to have Real Madrid in our league. The premier league would be the biggest competition of all time.
Real Madrid is like Rocky Balboa.
Taking Kane off for no reason must be familiar for Lineker. Remember when Graham Turnip substituted him when we needed a goal against Sweden. Taylor said, "it wasn't his type of game".... well English Football was never Lineker's type of game but he kept banging the goals in.
Another fantastic show So funny watching you three bounce off each other for best part of an hour Best of luck with future shows 👍
Biggest club in the history of the sport.
I've been a nervous Leicester fan my whole life ⚽️🦊🏆💙
Vini’s twists and tricks along with Jude’s work rate is unstoppable. Jude and Valverde could run up and down all 120 mins.
The fear of being replaced is real in Madrid. They replaced Navas/ Casemiro / Ronaldo/ list goes on. They even already have modric and Toni replacement Barca was still riding with Busquets. They were hauling out pique corpse for years and he was finished.
I don't think it was a disallowed goal, Madrid players stopped playing, goalkeeper didn't even move. Should ref hadn't blown his whistle, maybe defenders didn't let De Lift shoot, maybe the goal keeper would have saved it.... Maybe maybe.... But that doesn't qualify as a disallowed goal IMHO
6:55....what was that Micah!? 😂
Crazy how much Gary hates Madrid, always calls them lucky 🤣🤣
Obivous he played Barca
he’s clearly bitter 🤣 he hates madrid
To be fair they were lucky. Goalkeeper howler and dodgy offside call = luck You can debate they earn their luck but you can't deny they had luck on their side
EX BARCA PLAYER TAKES SHOTS AT REAL SHOCKER!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Moyes might have won a trophy or two but also involved in (sunderland relegation) relegation battles a few times with the same sides that did well before and after
Love this pod cast
First , Love the show lads keep it up , Did Bayern get a raw deal and should that goal have counted?
It's so hard to say. The defenders stopped at the whistle, but the linesman mabe got it wrong. It's hard to take for Bayern but they weren't very good.
Good is one way of putting it. They’re not good in the sense that they play consistently well but they know how to grind it out
So why is it Real Madrid’s fault? If this was Manchester City or any other team, nobody would cry but everyone is up in arms, news at every news paper’s front page.
Top pod as usual😎
Great football chat. Enjoy listening
Love big meeks and alan shearer together what a laugh 😂😂😂😂
Another great episode as always. Looking forward to the next one, where hopefully, y'all would have ejected the rockets 😂.
The gap between the PL Teams and Continental European Teams has never been clearer - massive😎
Barcelona and real madrid are the only teams that win the spanish league 😂
And Atlético de Madrid
good to hear about Mat/Max Hummels
0:02 i wonder if Gary will mention Gazza this episode 😂
i feel like vini wiped the hell out of that ball on a bounce on purpose watching Joselu cut in hoping for the bounce back .... re watched it a few times and look like vini just new
That reff man 😂
West ham have another potential 120-200 mil coming in this summer if their 3 main players got sold. Kudus, Bowen, paqueta. They need somebody that can buy good good players and manage them and get them better
Boys, great work always. My question is, would Man Utd get any worse if Sancho and Greenwood are guven a second chance? They need proper coaching, just like my boys need under Slot. We will Slot that League title home next season
I'd like Gary to explain why he thinks Leicester in the top four is a "false" position for them. If you don't have ambition what's the point? West Ham fans have had some stick from many pundits about wanting better football and a new manager. David Moyes has done a decent job but many fans don't think that he can move the club on. The view seems to be that he is a great defensive coach but WHU have shipped 70 goals this season - only the three clubs likely to be relegated have conceded more. Leicester winning the title gives hope to the rest of us. Micah's point about top players not wanting to come to the Prem is valid up to a point. BUT if Prem clubs don't buy them the vast over inflated prices will drop. Which for me is a good thing.
Gary - am not sure if you know your calmness! You are so calm … it’s unlike from a striker😅
The luckiest team with Referees
My favourite football program
On Ancelotti not being a tactician... he absolutely is a tactician, perhaps not a strategist in the way that a guardiola is, but the nobody else reacts as well as consistently as Don Carlo.
True, sometimes this pundits dont know shit. The move that Ancelotti did when he noticed Bayern was letting Mendy received alone in the left was the key to the second half. What he did was push Mendy up the field so the guy that was alone was Vini and he destroyed Bayern, its insane this match didnt end 3-0
The weight of history
You mention about Jadon Sancho, but dont forget about Mason Greenwood. Had a great year in Spain, shown he is top class and some big clubs are after him right now. I am sure Fergie would have protected him and not let him leave, like he did with others.
It wasn't just a ball bro. The technic man
A midfield 3 of wharton rice and Bellingham would be unstoppable 100% all 3 of them can swap and change roles and all be effective
What real madrid does good: - Sell on time - top tier scouting and signing of south america wonderkids. - waits and viciously attack for great market opportunities (Kroos, alaba, Rüdiger, mbappe) - build a team not only of talented players but also top ATHLETES. -
Southamerican wonderkids like Odegaard, Tchouameni and Camavinga, you mean?
@@robert111k more like Vinicius, Rodrygo and Endrick 🤫 Tchouameni camavinga etc are just good market opportunities. Chelsea would have bough them for 100 million each.
I heard a rumour that Kane had a back injury. Don't know how true that is, but I can't see him being subbed otherwise
True,I heard that as well
Musiala and Kane were subbed due to injuries. But idk in that stage players should tank it out if possible
Technically - did not disallow a goal bc it wasn't a goal since he'd stopped play
If Bayern would have won then people would have criticized Ancelotti’s substitution. They would have said, why couldn’t he keep Rodrygo on the pitch longer and also Kroos who had a great game. But thats life and football
Sorry but are all pundits blind or do you have memory problems. Yes Moyes won a cup last season but last season West Ham were circling the plughole for the majority of the season. That cup saved him his job then. This season got off to a fast start but ultimately he doesnt have enough in his locker, he sets up the same way week in week out and in 2024 opponents in the league have been all over West Ham because Moyes is predictable. 70 goals conceeded this year, last time we conceeded that many we were relegated. 3 league wins in 2024, and in six games weve conceeded five or more goals. His transfer policy has been dire, in 4 and half years hes spent 500m on players and yet we have the smallest squad in the league and the second oldest squad in the league. His transfers have been so dire, that when he was offered a new contract in Feb, the deal was Steiden would be fully in charge of recruitment going forward. And Moyes didnt want to sign that. I agree the club handled it appallingly but i dont agree there was any more David could achieve at this club, or any club if he continues to just play his one style of football
I'm surprised they're complaining about the linesman - they spend every other episode saying nobody complained when VAR didnt make decisions
This a semifinal bum bum 🤡
What's incredible is that dortmund apparently will make 20mil for winning the CL, but if they lose they stead to make 25mill from bellinghams contract. Talk about a win win situation for yellow & black army
The extra time was warranted, madrid players invaded the pitch before full time