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Imagine going back in time and telling a gen 8 vgc player that zamazenta becomes one of the best legendaries in the format and zacian becomes one of the worst Edit: I know zacian is far from the worst, I just over exaggerated it to make the joke work better
@TheWungus10 күн бұрын
Zacian isn’t bad at all, but in a format where you only have one restricted mon it’s not worth the slot
@towndarling161810 күн бұрын
I mean if you explained to them everything that happened (the nerfs + meta shifts + body press) They probably wouldn’t be surprised
@GravityIsFalling10 күн бұрын
Zacian is far from the worst, it's actually still better than average if you think about how it's better than every single restricted legendary from Gens 1, 2, 4, 5 and 7. That's everything spanning 23 years from 1996-2019 except for the two eternally viable weather setters from Gen 3.
@bungyss10 күн бұрын
@@GravityIsFalling well yeah after you explain exactly why everything is the way it is it makes more sence but before that they would probably be a bit flabberghasted
@videogamahagain10 күн бұрын
@@bungyssI think Lunala is better, but other than that you are giving facts
@chinchillin24210 күн бұрын
What countering Incineroar does to a mf:
@selfloathinggameing10 күн бұрын
Was looking for this. The video could've been a 4 seconds: "Because it counters Incineroar" and everybody would've been: "Makes sense, have a nice day."
@Dr_Donald_Duck10 күн бұрын
Not only that, basc most legendaries except Koraidon and some others like Groudon.
@SarcasticBeingYes10 күн бұрын
wide guard bulky incineroar counter pseudoimmune to intimidate
@usernametaken01710 күн бұрын
fr lolll
@diegovelosa85199 күн бұрын
"So you're getting nerfed for gen 9?" "Yeah" "Do you think you'll lose?" "Nah, I'd win" **body presses everything**
@Wafflefrieslmdh10 күн бұрын
That's the thing, it wasn't nerfed, it was buffed with body press access.
@aname439010 күн бұрын
@@aname4390it did get nerfed due to the once per switch in ability, just that the buffs outweighed that
@lucasleong852910 күн бұрын
@aname4390 It was nerfed. It lost BST, and its ability was changed to only work once. The thing is that body press literally is worth significantly more for Zamezenta than everything it lost.
@RFDN010 күн бұрын
Lol body press is just what gives it a real way to deal damage, its ok but not great, other mons have better offense because of tera nuking, it's just the meta around it. Wide guard is on absolutely no legal mons that are good, besides it- people are literally running mienshao and pelliper for just access to that. And bulk with the ability to 1 shot fairy, dark, and normals running around. The meta demands the mon right now with flutter mane and calys causing that.
@umwhoalol10 күн бұрын
Zac/ian
@capricous719610 күн бұрын
Game Freak really tried to trick us into thinking this thing was on par with Zacian
@starshot247610 күн бұрын
Even now the two aren’t equals
@waitingfortheequinnox10 күн бұрын
Yeah, zacian is genuinely trash now. Funny that even if zamazenta only got nerfed and zacian never did, it still would see more success in reg g tbh. Body press is just THAT huge of an upgrade for Zam
@jamesfeng2410 күн бұрын
Honestly thought zamazenta looked coller lol i like its shield
@Elite4koga10 күн бұрын
Zacian has never held a candle to zama
@jacksonbranby10 күн бұрын
In terms of design or viability?@@jacksonbranby
@SochimaOkwara10 күн бұрын
funny how the Shield Dog actually ended up getting paired with the Sword CAT instead.
@papplejuicetv10 күн бұрын
Underrated comment
@what.are.you.doing.stepbro10 күн бұрын
I think Chien-Po is a ferret
@luckluca898210 күн бұрын
@@luckluca8982 I'll have you know 🤓☝️
@noivern859510 күн бұрын
@@luckluca8982 both
@Andrew-ch3xj10 күн бұрын
@luckluca8982 it's an ermine kinda like a ferret
@ShearGeniussharpening10 күн бұрын
All it took was put Body Press on this mon 😭
@jmfordaliza313910 күн бұрын
Yep 👍
@CalebDeez10 күн бұрын
A lot of defensive mons gained some form of viability solely because of body press.
@RFDN010 күн бұрын
Frankly it was criminal he didn't have it to begin with.
@Darchias10 күн бұрын
All it took was giving the defense fighting type a fighting type move that uses defense and was introduced in the same generation
@hussainalaiwi927010 күн бұрын
Yes. XD
@ferringsylveon21910 күн бұрын
The "yes, yes it is" after questioning it's viability had me cracking up because it was so non-chalant
@panchosaavedra577710 күн бұрын
It was a corny question anyways especially after talking about how it’s literally the best legendary rn and why
@yeahright390110 күн бұрын
The fact Zamazenta is still affected by Intimidate just it doesn't effect its primary method of attack makes me imagine it as this terrified Scooby/Courage type dog accidentally crushing the scary cat man in its panic.
@peterstorm808910 күн бұрын
It's such a shame that we didn't get to see gen 8 with Body Press Zamazenta. Imagine both doggos at full power and evenly matched.
@ktvx.9410 күн бұрын
Especially considering gen 8 INTRODUCED Body Press. Honestly a laughable oversight not giving it to the defensive fighting box legendary
@justcallmeharrison37710 күн бұрын
And worst of all, why would behemoth bash not use defense too? It fits both lorewise and gameplay wise since body press exist
@TheRatBehindTheSlaughter10 күн бұрын
@@TheRatBehindTheSlaughter Maybe cause gamefreak thought it'd be overpowered? ... ...Ah who am I kidding they probably just forgot lol
@squiddler773110 күн бұрын
@@squiddler7731 gamefreak forgoting something? Never tought that could happen.. Like lets adress the elephant in the room, not making behemoth bash use defense is like giving psychoc to great tusk ! Wait a second..-
@TheRatBehindTheSlaughter10 күн бұрын
I hate the move Body Press so much, I think this move is too good for semi-defensive Pokemon in a game where the Gen 1/2 Stat EXP system isn't a thing.
@teammcpe1310 күн бұрын
at least zamazenta finally got something going for it
@jaspermidnight85010 күн бұрын
You said it
@3180P510 күн бұрын
Behemoth Bash should've been like Body Press 😥
@amamiyaharuto840710 күн бұрын
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYINGGG
@Killer1984able10 күн бұрын
It’s already the most consistent legendary no need to
@GravityIsFalling10 күн бұрын
@@GravityIsFalling it still should be tho, it makes sense even lore wise lol
@daphenomenalz410010 күн бұрын
@@daphenomenalz4100 Would you agree to give calyrex ice victory dance?
@GravityIsFalling10 күн бұрын
@@GravityIsFallingi want people to suffer so yes
@hypphen10 күн бұрын
It was always weird that Zams didn't get Body Press from the get-go. Did they test it and think it was overpowered? Compared to Zacian, of all things? Or did it genuinely slip their minds all this time? Either way, really happy to see my doggo from Shield having a good time!
@danielhale110 күн бұрын
Balance, please this company made Mega Rayquazza and in the At generation made Zacian. They likely just forgot or didn’t feel like it
@user-ni2bo3mu5p10 күн бұрын
Considering it is the shield pokemon, it is weird its signature move doesn't use defense stat to damage Behemoth Bash feels like it should have been the upgrade, legendary form of Body Press
@tetzy517210 күн бұрын
@user-ni2bo3mu5p they didn't forget it. They just have a different design philosophy than what most of us would like.
@BobardeZanzibar10 күн бұрын
@@user-ni2bo3mu5p It's worth noting that Game Freak almost exclusively balances with doubles/VGC in mind, and Mega Rayquaza was powerful but not overwhelming in doubles.
@dragonslair95116710 күн бұрын
@@dragonslair951167this, even back in 2016, despite Mega Ray winning the world championship, the tag team of Primal Groudon and Kyogre were generally considered the better legendary picks that year.
@conorb.190110 күн бұрын
Every dog has its day
@grunkleg.311010 күн бұрын
best comment
@DebayanRay-rb3qy9 күн бұрын
Nice
@mr.truffles92948 күн бұрын
Stand proud zacian, you *were* strong
@GravityIsFalling10 күн бұрын
How do you bold you words
@adrianstyranitar71710 күн бұрын
I *believe* you put an asterisk around the part you want to bold
@shanedsouza18910 күн бұрын
@@adrianstyranitar717 Something like this * (whatever you write without spaces but) * **see**
@ohhellwhereami257410 күн бұрын
NAH SIT DOWN ZACIAN, YOU'RE WEAK
@pallpksp914210 күн бұрын
@shanedsouza189 Thank you, I *believe* its true. honestly, you are *magnificent*
@adrianstyranitar71710 күн бұрын
Zacian, the Pokémon designed to be the pinnacle of offense, is being out damaged by their overlooked defensive brother and their evil sword cat friend
@MelonSeedOfficial10 күн бұрын
Love how the addition of body practically saved 3 of the worst legendaries (regirock registeel and zama) and has given them actual viability and a chance for success
@monkeman875910 күн бұрын
*Body Press
@goGothitaLOL2 күн бұрын
It’s amazing how Intimidate’s ubiquitousness in competitive was part of why Zacian was _so_ good in Gen 8 and overshadow Zamazenta because its ability basically made it immune to Intimidate, but now Intimidate makes Zacian a liability and lets Zamazenta shine.
@nategwright10 күн бұрын
Zamazenta's truly had an underdog story.
@Chaos_Contingency10 күн бұрын
Literally
@MaybeSableye10 күн бұрын
They’re finally giving my Shield Boi the love it deserves. Big Body Pressin’ Zama
@4289isOK10 күн бұрын
"Zacian is too weak" is the one sentence I never thought I would hear. Glad to see Shield doggo thriving. I'm 100% confident Zamazenta (as well as some other supportive restricteds like Lunala) will skyrocket in usage once 2x restricteds will happen. Having that insane support movepool while also having a nuke at same time is huge.
@worldiefeard839610 күн бұрын
Finally, the cooler of the two doggos is good.
@Turai1210 күн бұрын
"They made fun of him because he was weak but he unlocked a cheat SSS rank skill and became OP!"
@Mewseeker10 күн бұрын
It genuinely feel wrong that Zamazenta and Body Press both were introduced in the same generation but Zamazenta didnt get access to it (Also Wooloo and Dubwool don't learn Rollout dispite rolling like a ball being theirmost Iconic Trait) *edit: I am embarrassed I wrote the wrong Pokémon
@jackferring679010 күн бұрын
Zamazenta* but yea
@vez383410 күн бұрын
The sad thing is Zamazenta could've gotten Body Press in gen 8 easily since it makes so much sense. Now I'm not surprised that it's better now.
@rockowlgamer63110 күн бұрын
OK that glorified bastiodon meme was hilarious as hell
@MiniOre210 күн бұрын
Bastiodon also got bodypress this generation.
@RFDN010 күн бұрын
I swear everything combines with chien pao this gen😭😭
@dylanbauman389410 күн бұрын
Physical attackers have been dominant and a mon reducing pokemon's defenses passively really aids them.
@RFDN010 күн бұрын
Sword of ruin is basically the intimidate for defense, that plus clear amulet being a counter to intimidate makes psychical attacters easier to use
@uribevaldezargenis886210 күн бұрын
"Miraidon is Miraidon." Not wrong Miraidon is the DON, the head of destruction and gamefreak bs.
@4zechan27110 күн бұрын
TLDR: Fast stackattacka with a +1 boost on switch and *can’t*be intimidated is good
@Timmy_Time_magic10 күн бұрын
Can you rewrite what you have typed? It does not specify what stat is boosred and what is lowwered.
@Andy-xn9zn10 күн бұрын
@@Andy-xn9zn+1 on defense and intimidated is -1 on attack
@eriol_shards281510 күн бұрын
zamazenta gets a +1 def boost on switch in once a battle from it’s ability. giving it the clear amulet hold item prevents its’ stats from being lowered
@inmanis292410 күн бұрын
@@inmanis2924 no its not about clear amulet specificly, body press does damage with defense, meaning zamazenta dont give a single flying f about intimidate. and you need your item slot to transform it into crowned forme too.
@rhesapratama419410 күн бұрын
Thanks 👍 I understood nothing
@Engelion10 күн бұрын
They really did a Topsy-Turvy on the competitive viability of legendary doggos. Now Zamazenta is stacking paper while Zacian is trying to get by.
@mathewricafrente598410 күн бұрын
Is zacian still the way better of the 2 in singles?
@regilad_90434 күн бұрын
Well, Michael won because it was a 7v5… Joji’s Chi Yu betrayed him
@joshwew955110 күн бұрын
That his fault for using low accuracy moves
@barry101ish10 күн бұрын
@@barry101ishyeah unfortunately Pokémon is very unforgiving. Even with all the correct plays, he still lost because he chose to gamble on inaccurate moves.
@unnderneath10 күн бұрын
It’s definitely worse than SwSh Zacian, but it does at least come close
@waitingfortheequinnox10 күн бұрын
Naah, it doesn't even come close. Zacian went from 10 to 4. Zamazenta went from 1 to 7. If they wanted Zama to be a 10 they should have let Behemoth Bash scale off of Defense.
@aninass10 күн бұрын
@@aninassTo be honest, that decision (+Recover for both the doggos) is something I want to advocate for but know they’d never do so esp. with how meteoric Zamazenta’s rise was with just Body Press
@waitingfortheequinnox9 күн бұрын
@@waitingfortheequinnox again, Zamazenta's rise was not meteoric at all. Most people would still rather use a special restricted like Kyogre or Calyrex-S to mitigate the intimidate problem and some other picks that do Zamazenta's job. Zamazenta is also not creating consistent results as opposed to its competitors. The opportunity cost of not being a better restricted is also there. And Zamazenta is also not strong enough to win you a tournament if you are not running Iron Defense / Body Press set, which is predictable. The only reason Zama got this high because this is a single restricted format, which was totally unexpected and most people would rather take the safe way rather than the risky ones. Tldr; Zamazenta's rise (if you can even call it that) is nowhere close to meteoric, and most people still think that Zamazenta is not a tournament winning restricted.
@aninass9 күн бұрын
If Behemoth Bash worked like Body Press, it's only Achilles Heel would have been solved lol :D
@daphenomenalz410010 күн бұрын
Not really, BB would give it more coverage, but it still wouldn’t be enough to fair against walls. Still also makes it susceptible to being walled by Skeledirge just like Zacian
@jylleperez5093 күн бұрын
freezai covering all the fun discoveries of vgc is making for great content
@retrop56910 күн бұрын
Zamazanta: history will be kinder to me
@mrstrange106210 күн бұрын
Incineroar: I fear no man, but that thing *points to zamazenta crowned* , it scares me
@Gold-Dango10 күн бұрын
I will always love how depending on the current meta everything can be a surprise
@odincruzhiguera78329 күн бұрын
Finally, my beloved Zamazenta is usable, I liked the design way more than Zacian's, and liked the body press defense strat but it never got body press, but now...
@parad0x76510 күн бұрын
Wait... Does Sword of Ruin really help Zamazenta? For Heavy Slam, yeah, sure, but does it help with Body Press since "The power of the Pokémon's ruinous sword lowers the Defense stats of **all** Pokémon except itself" Or is it a lie and SoR is only calculated when recieving damage?
@monseigneurpatate192810 күн бұрын
Choice Band boosts Body Press but Eviolite doesn't, so it's the same thing going on here
@mrboost418610 күн бұрын
Body Press only considers the user's raw Defense stat and stat stages, everything else comes from attack boosts. Sword of Ruin has no effect on Body Press, Tablets of Ruin does.
@AztecCroc5 күн бұрын
From broke to broken
@CrazyWearsPJs10 күн бұрын
Looks like Zamazenta found a best friend in Chien Pao. 😊
@ferringsylveon21910 күн бұрын
The crazy thing about that meme in the beginning is that the pokedex implies Zacian is actually a female. The elder sister in fact.
@yujirohamna24309 күн бұрын
Wow, it's like Zamazenta should've had Body Press all along 🙄
@solitare460210 күн бұрын
Love the description you gave Miridon, gave me great info
@raresuwako679610 күн бұрын
*Defensive legendary becoming viable when you give it ways to augment its offenses with defensive boosts (a concept introduced in the same generation as said legendary):* Game Freak: :O
@christiancinnabars140210 күн бұрын
Behemoth bash should have used the defence stat as well, that would’ve definitely helped
@poketrainerjames724610 күн бұрын
MY BOI ZAMAZENTA FINALLY MADE IT 😭
@snokespraetorianguard10 күн бұрын
Weird how I'm a Zacian fan, but I'm crying tears of joy for the Zamazenta fans. *Not to mention, my first Gen 8 game was Shield*
@3180P510 күн бұрын
Zamazenta has always been my preferred Gen 8 cover Legendary (I have yet to play Shield but still), it's great to see it do well
@asmontosborne311110 күн бұрын
Always happy to see some Freezai VGC content
@Mysterious-Stranger2 күн бұрын
I was waiting for you to make a video on this. Didnt think you would be this fast tho. Well done as always
@philswift534010 күн бұрын
Behemoth👏bash👏should👏use👏defense👏like👏body👏press👏
@Aegisoftheshine10 күн бұрын
as a zamazenta enjoyer, you love to see this
@jocabulous10 күн бұрын
man i can't wait for your gen 9 retrospective
@__august__10 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="90">1:30</a> - I can't tell if Zam and Mane doing an animation at the same time there was a coincidence or one of those intentional things where a Pokemon will do their idle "flourish" animation for certain circumstances like Legends Arceus had [such as a 'mon getting "hit" with a move it has an immunity to]
@WhimsicottFanatic9 күн бұрын
I was hoping you'd make this video!!
@gravityvertigo1357910 күн бұрын
I actually like the set where you drop protect and just run Iron D, Heavy slam, body press, wide guard. I can't bring myself to drop one of these, they are all too good.
@TooAteWon10 күн бұрын
I’m so glad Zamazenta has been getting some attention. It’s been my favorite Pokémon ever since it got introduced and I feel like it’s design was super underrated... I just really like it’s color scheme lol
@MrOOF-nh6cc8 күн бұрын
That’s why I picked shield over sword when those games first came out. Zamazenta’s design was so cool. I didn’t know this at the time either, but miraidon is better than koraidon due to not having any 4x weaknesses. I picked violet as my main at the time because it had the present-day version exclusives I wanted to have on my team
@stefanielonn4164Күн бұрын
I really enjoy Chien-Pao in Reg G. Ice Spinner is phenomenal for terrain teams, and sword of ruin enhances many Pokémon. I specially like a core of Speed Boosting Flutter Mane, Sash Pao, AV Entei and Scarf Koraidon. Flutter mane supports with spread damage and Icy Wind speed control, Pao has priority, eliminates terrain, and makes Koraidon and Entei stronger, Entei with AV can be rather specially bulky, being very helpful vs Miraidon, Caly-S and Terapagos, while having the best priority in ESpeed, and also having the busted Sacred Fire boosted by Koraidon’s Sun. Finally, Koraidon can use Scarf to outrun most of the meta, is extremely powerful, has U-Turn to pivot around, and provides the sun to make Entei stronger, and Flutter Mane faster.
@leonardobarbosatelles277910 күн бұрын
zama is finally good, and all it took was.. 2 massive nerfs to zacien, a move pool buff. and a brand new hold item LMAO
@inmanis292410 күн бұрын
I feel like you are spinning the narrative here a bit. Both Zacien and Zamazenta got the same nerfs Zaciens stat nerfs were a bit harder, but they both got them. He got one move, a singular move. A held item was added that changed the landscape of the meta. Because it allowed every pokemon the chance to get around intimidate. Which Zacien cannot use and Zama does not need.
@TreeForceGaming10 күн бұрын
Zam benefit literally nothing from new item, it just that Zacian can’t use clear amulet while Zam doesn’t care about attack drop to begin with. Both Zacian and Zam got the same nerf as well.
@duckyjellomana431610 күн бұрын
To be honest, GF gave Zacian too much tools in Gen 8 and gave too little in comparison for Zamazenta. I feel like this is really deserving.
@pallpksp914210 күн бұрын
@@pallpksp9142*gen 8 but yeah
@Gravity_Ws_only10 күн бұрын
And a meta focused on spread move with poor Wide Guard distribution
@peterholmes744010 күн бұрын
Body press is one of the most based moves GF has ever come up with. We need more like it
@virsonyx89429 күн бұрын
What Body Press does to a mf:
@shadowbanningcommentssucks355110 күн бұрын
That was the biggest U-Turn I've ever seen
@timaeustanis10 күн бұрын
Damn I knew I was cooking when I put body press on zamazenta in hackomons
@justarandomalt2558 күн бұрын
Zamazenta got that DAWG in it
@HackerAtesh10 күн бұрын
Zamazenta went from lvl 1 Crook to lvl 99 Mafia Boss
@MuffoonMayham10 күн бұрын
we love an under dog 💖
@Dokkiish10 күн бұрын
Zam was my favourite looking out of the shield/sword duo. I'm glad it's finally getting the attention it always deserved.
@AngelusVesica10 күн бұрын
I love both zacian and zamazenta, zacian by far my favorite and one of the coolest legendaries. I'm glad zamazenta getting love, would be cool to see both have a worlds title
@splish_29 күн бұрын
bruh I remember zamazenta being legal in gen 9 ou for a while, this is hilarious
@HopeP0H8 күн бұрын
The heroic shield dog and the nefarious sword cat making the best duo is amazing.
@tigerlover28536 күн бұрын
Ah, I love seeing my shield doggo finally getting the time to shine!
@ChikuTenebresRattus7 күн бұрын
THAT’S MY BOY
@ThatWontHurt10 күн бұрын
Literally an underdog story
@thunderwe_ryesiam10 күн бұрын
they should have also buffed behemoth bash to base its power on defense like with body press, just saiyan
@kaotic30010 күн бұрын
I’ve always loved Zamazenta more. Now it’s its time to shine.
@Gift222510 күн бұрын
I always loved Zama from the first day
@AccidentallyHadPeanutButter7 күн бұрын
Pokémon shield players finally getting their money worth
@talonitex644110 күн бұрын
I'm glad tarapagos is getting play, he has such a cool design
@DanielTombs-sc1yq9 күн бұрын
As someone who got shield right before entering competitive, I love to see my boy eating
@LucasTurner-by1vs10 күн бұрын
Why its signature move didn't scale off of defense is a mystery.
@altogrey9712Күн бұрын
My boy finally made it
@Bird_in_a_Trenchcoat10 күн бұрын
Will-o-Wisp Incineroar could now be a thing as burn affects Body Press if Zamazenta gets out of hand.
@OutOnTheCurbAgain9 күн бұрын
Good to see my shield dog finally getting recognition
@cmoney897910 күн бұрын
My good boy did it
@JD_A-G7 күн бұрын
YESSSSS I'VE BEEN A ZAMAZENTA FAN DAY ONE i dont even pay attention to competitve but i love the non rusted shield form of zamazenta
@logval9 күн бұрын
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1">0:01</a> good to know terapagos isn't entirely bad.
@daniellejackson65439 күн бұрын
The redemption arc is insane
@yoshitacoutinho17249 күн бұрын
how can anyone hate on such a good boy
@LetheJustified9 күн бұрын
It brings a smile to my face to see that my two favorite legendary Pokémon got time in the spotlight
@Kulkogo9 күн бұрын
I actually quite enjoyed Zacian + RegiWeezing. Intrepid Sword’s nerf is so massive that Zacian really doesn’t care if it doesn’t activate, and holding it back until the latest possible moment via Weezing’s Gas can be massive. Regigigas also pairs really nicely, as this way, u essentially have 2 restricteds, just not on the field at the same time.
@leonardobarbosatelles277910 күн бұрын
Not gonna lie but i think a support zamazenta can do well in the meta too. Zamazenta already has helping hand and coaching, i might try it out with mudsdale then spam body press or heavy spam. Btw i got this idea from a online friend:)
@zabdimatteoavo834610 күн бұрын
MY BOY. THAT IS MY BOY. WOOOO i mean not get effected by intimidate is great thing to have when that abilities was too good for 2v2
@leonshirogane554110 күн бұрын
My good boy finally getting the respect he deserves
@lolTungsten10 күн бұрын
I do believe that Zacian's Intrepid sword should have come with a consolation prize after the nerf. A built in Hyper Cutter would have been nice to prevent those nasty Intimidate drops. Zacian will be good in Double restricted when paired with Zamazenta's Coaching.
@lorenzomabalos985110 күн бұрын
Cool, now make Behemoth Bash also use defense instead of attack because it makes as much sense as Zama getting Body Press, idc if that makes it too broken, the second they allowed Mega Ray, Zacian and Calyrex Shadow to exist, they lost the rights to make excuses about a mon being too broken
@Sononono10 күн бұрын
Now imagine if Behemoth Bash used your defense like body press
@Masahane8 күн бұрын
Zacian had to step aside for the new sword legendary while Zama finally gets to let his shield shine
@nategwright10 күн бұрын
*From Zero to Crowned Hero: A Zamazenta Story* Coming soon to theaters near you.
@valiantchris64566 күн бұрын
Ice Rider also outclassed Shadow Rider & became no. 2... The dominance of the underrated powerhouses... In someday, Koraidon would defeat Miraidon...
@sriramrex37746 күн бұрын
Please do a video on why defiant isn't everywhere in VGC!
Imagine going back in time and telling a gen 8 vgc player that zamazenta becomes one of the best legendaries in the format and zacian becomes one of the worst Edit: I know zacian is far from the worst, I just over exaggerated it to make the joke work better
Zacian isn’t bad at all, but in a format where you only have one restricted mon it’s not worth the slot
I mean if you explained to them everything that happened (the nerfs + meta shifts + body press) They probably wouldn’t be surprised
Zacian is far from the worst, it's actually still better than average if you think about how it's better than every single restricted legendary from Gens 1, 2, 4, 5 and 7. That's everything spanning 23 years from 1996-2019 except for the two eternally viable weather setters from Gen 3.
@@GravityIsFalling well yeah after you explain exactly why everything is the way it is it makes more sence but before that they would probably be a bit flabberghasted
@@bungyssI think Lunala is better, but other than that you are giving facts
What countering Incineroar does to a mf:
Was looking for this. The video could've been a 4 seconds: "Because it counters Incineroar" and everybody would've been: "Makes sense, have a nice day."
Not only that, basc most legendaries except Koraidon and some others like Groudon.
wide guard bulky incineroar counter pseudoimmune to intimidate
fr lolll
"So you're getting nerfed for gen 9?" "Yeah" "Do you think you'll lose?" "Nah, I'd win" **body presses everything**
That's the thing, it wasn't nerfed, it was buffed with body press access.
@@aname4390it did get nerfed due to the once per switch in ability, just that the buffs outweighed that
@aname4390 It was nerfed. It lost BST, and its ability was changed to only work once. The thing is that body press literally is worth significantly more for Zamezenta than everything it lost.
Lol body press is just what gives it a real way to deal damage, its ok but not great, other mons have better offense because of tera nuking, it's just the meta around it. Wide guard is on absolutely no legal mons that are good, besides it- people are literally running mienshao and pelliper for just access to that. And bulk with the ability to 1 shot fairy, dark, and normals running around. The meta demands the mon right now with flutter mane and calys causing that.
Zac/ian
Game Freak really tried to trick us into thinking this thing was on par with Zacian
Even now the two aren’t equals
Yeah, zacian is genuinely trash now. Funny that even if zamazenta only got nerfed and zacian never did, it still would see more success in reg g tbh. Body press is just THAT huge of an upgrade for Zam
Honestly thought zamazenta looked coller lol i like its shield
Zacian has never held a candle to zama
In terms of design or viability?@@jacksonbranby
funny how the Shield Dog actually ended up getting paired with the Sword CAT instead.
Underrated comment
I think Chien-Po is a ferret
@@luckluca8982 I'll have you know 🤓☝️
@@luckluca8982 both
@luckluca8982 it's an ermine kinda like a ferret
All it took was put Body Press on this mon 😭
Yep 👍
A lot of defensive mons gained some form of viability solely because of body press.
Frankly it was criminal he didn't have it to begin with.
All it took was giving the defense fighting type a fighting type move that uses defense and was introduced in the same generation
Yes. XD
The "yes, yes it is" after questioning it's viability had me cracking up because it was so non-chalant
It was a corny question anyways especially after talking about how it’s literally the best legendary rn and why
The fact Zamazenta is still affected by Intimidate just it doesn't effect its primary method of attack makes me imagine it as this terrified Scooby/Courage type dog accidentally crushing the scary cat man in its panic.
It's such a shame that we didn't get to see gen 8 with Body Press Zamazenta. Imagine both doggos at full power and evenly matched.
Especially considering gen 8 INTRODUCED Body Press. Honestly a laughable oversight not giving it to the defensive fighting box legendary
And worst of all, why would behemoth bash not use defense too? It fits both lorewise and gameplay wise since body press exist
@@TheRatBehindTheSlaughter Maybe cause gamefreak thought it'd be overpowered? ... ...Ah who am I kidding they probably just forgot lol
@@squiddler7731 gamefreak forgoting something? Never tought that could happen.. Like lets adress the elephant in the room, not making behemoth bash use defense is like giving psychoc to great tusk ! Wait a second..-
I hate the move Body Press so much, I think this move is too good for semi-defensive Pokemon in a game where the Gen 1/2 Stat EXP system isn't a thing.
at least zamazenta finally got something going for it
You said it
Behemoth Bash should've been like Body Press 😥
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYINGGG
It’s already the most consistent legendary no need to
@@GravityIsFalling it still should be tho, it makes sense even lore wise lol
@@daphenomenalz4100 Would you agree to give calyrex ice victory dance?
@@GravityIsFallingi want people to suffer so yes
It was always weird that Zams didn't get Body Press from the get-go. Did they test it and think it was overpowered? Compared to Zacian, of all things? Or did it genuinely slip their minds all this time? Either way, really happy to see my doggo from Shield having a good time!
Balance, please this company made Mega Rayquazza and in the At generation made Zacian. They likely just forgot or didn’t feel like it
Considering it is the shield pokemon, it is weird its signature move doesn't use defense stat to damage Behemoth Bash feels like it should have been the upgrade, legendary form of Body Press
@user-ni2bo3mu5p they didn't forget it. They just have a different design philosophy than what most of us would like.
@@user-ni2bo3mu5p It's worth noting that Game Freak almost exclusively balances with doubles/VGC in mind, and Mega Rayquaza was powerful but not overwhelming in doubles.
@@dragonslair951167this, even back in 2016, despite Mega Ray winning the world championship, the tag team of Primal Groudon and Kyogre were generally considered the better legendary picks that year.
Every dog has its day
best comment
Nice
Stand proud zacian, you *were* strong
How do you bold you words
I *believe* you put an asterisk around the part you want to bold
@@adrianstyranitar717 Something like this * (whatever you write without spaces but) * **see**
NAH SIT DOWN ZACIAN, YOU'RE WEAK
@shanedsouza189 Thank you, I *believe* its true. honestly, you are *magnificent*
Zacian, the Pokémon designed to be the pinnacle of offense, is being out damaged by their overlooked defensive brother and their evil sword cat friend
Love how the addition of body practically saved 3 of the worst legendaries (regirock registeel and zama) and has given them actual viability and a chance for success
*Body Press
It’s amazing how Intimidate’s ubiquitousness in competitive was part of why Zacian was _so_ good in Gen 8 and overshadow Zamazenta because its ability basically made it immune to Intimidate, but now Intimidate makes Zacian a liability and lets Zamazenta shine.
Zamazenta's truly had an underdog story.
Literally
They’re finally giving my Shield Boi the love it deserves. Big Body Pressin’ Zama
"Zacian is too weak" is the one sentence I never thought I would hear. Glad to see Shield doggo thriving. I'm 100% confident Zamazenta (as well as some other supportive restricteds like Lunala) will skyrocket in usage once 2x restricteds will happen. Having that insane support movepool while also having a nuke at same time is huge.
Finally, the cooler of the two doggos is good.
"They made fun of him because he was weak but he unlocked a cheat SSS rank skill and became OP!"
It genuinely feel wrong that Zamazenta and Body Press both were introduced in the same generation but Zamazenta didnt get access to it (Also Wooloo and Dubwool don't learn Rollout dispite rolling like a ball being theirmost Iconic Trait) *edit: I am embarrassed I wrote the wrong Pokémon
Zamazenta* but yea
The sad thing is Zamazenta could've gotten Body Press in gen 8 easily since it makes so much sense. Now I'm not surprised that it's better now.
OK that glorified bastiodon meme was hilarious as hell
Bastiodon also got bodypress this generation.
I swear everything combines with chien pao this gen😭😭
Physical attackers have been dominant and a mon reducing pokemon's defenses passively really aids them.
Sword of ruin is basically the intimidate for defense, that plus clear amulet being a counter to intimidate makes psychical attacters easier to use
"Miraidon is Miraidon." Not wrong Miraidon is the DON, the head of destruction and gamefreak bs.
TLDR: Fast stackattacka with a +1 boost on switch and *can’t*be intimidated is good
Can you rewrite what you have typed? It does not specify what stat is boosred and what is lowwered.
@@Andy-xn9zn+1 on defense and intimidated is -1 on attack
zamazenta gets a +1 def boost on switch in once a battle from it’s ability. giving it the clear amulet hold item prevents its’ stats from being lowered
@@inmanis2924 no its not about clear amulet specificly, body press does damage with defense, meaning zamazenta dont give a single flying f about intimidate. and you need your item slot to transform it into crowned forme too.
Thanks 👍 I understood nothing
They really did a Topsy-Turvy on the competitive viability of legendary doggos. Now Zamazenta is stacking paper while Zacian is trying to get by.
Is zacian still the way better of the 2 in singles?
Well, Michael won because it was a 7v5… Joji’s Chi Yu betrayed him
That his fault for using low accuracy moves
@@barry101ishyeah unfortunately Pokémon is very unforgiving. Even with all the correct plays, he still lost because he chose to gamble on inaccurate moves.
It’s definitely worse than SwSh Zacian, but it does at least come close
Naah, it doesn't even come close. Zacian went from 10 to 4. Zamazenta went from 1 to 7. If they wanted Zama to be a 10 they should have let Behemoth Bash scale off of Defense.
@@aninassTo be honest, that decision (+Recover for both the doggos) is something I want to advocate for but know they’d never do so esp. with how meteoric Zamazenta’s rise was with just Body Press
@@waitingfortheequinnox again, Zamazenta's rise was not meteoric at all. Most people would still rather use a special restricted like Kyogre or Calyrex-S to mitigate the intimidate problem and some other picks that do Zamazenta's job. Zamazenta is also not creating consistent results as opposed to its competitors. The opportunity cost of not being a better restricted is also there. And Zamazenta is also not strong enough to win you a tournament if you are not running Iron Defense / Body Press set, which is predictable. The only reason Zama got this high because this is a single restricted format, which was totally unexpected and most people would rather take the safe way rather than the risky ones. Tldr; Zamazenta's rise (if you can even call it that) is nowhere close to meteoric, and most people still think that Zamazenta is not a tournament winning restricted.
If Behemoth Bash worked like Body Press, it's only Achilles Heel would have been solved lol :D
Not really, BB would give it more coverage, but it still wouldn’t be enough to fair against walls. Still also makes it susceptible to being walled by Skeledirge just like Zacian
freezai covering all the fun discoveries of vgc is making for great content
Zamazanta: history will be kinder to me
Incineroar: I fear no man, but that thing *points to zamazenta crowned* , it scares me
I will always love how depending on the current meta everything can be a surprise
Finally, my beloved Zamazenta is usable, I liked the design way more than Zacian's, and liked the body press defense strat but it never got body press, but now...
Wait... Does Sword of Ruin really help Zamazenta? For Heavy Slam, yeah, sure, but does it help with Body Press since "The power of the Pokémon's ruinous sword lowers the Defense stats of **all** Pokémon except itself" Or is it a lie and SoR is only calculated when recieving damage?
Choice Band boosts Body Press but Eviolite doesn't, so it's the same thing going on here
Body Press only considers the user's raw Defense stat and stat stages, everything else comes from attack boosts. Sword of Ruin has no effect on Body Press, Tablets of Ruin does.
From broke to broken
Looks like Zamazenta found a best friend in Chien Pao. 😊
The crazy thing about that meme in the beginning is that the pokedex implies Zacian is actually a female. The elder sister in fact.
Wow, it's like Zamazenta should've had Body Press all along 🙄
Love the description you gave Miridon, gave me great info
*Defensive legendary becoming viable when you give it ways to augment its offenses with defensive boosts (a concept introduced in the same generation as said legendary):* Game Freak: :O
Behemoth bash should have used the defence stat as well, that would’ve definitely helped
MY BOI ZAMAZENTA FINALLY MADE IT 😭
Weird how I'm a Zacian fan, but I'm crying tears of joy for the Zamazenta fans. *Not to mention, my first Gen 8 game was Shield*
Zamazenta has always been my preferred Gen 8 cover Legendary (I have yet to play Shield but still), it's great to see it do well
Always happy to see some Freezai VGC content
I was waiting for you to make a video on this. Didnt think you would be this fast tho. Well done as always
Behemoth👏bash👏should👏use👏defense👏like👏body👏press👏
as a zamazenta enjoyer, you love to see this
man i can't wait for your gen 9 retrospective
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="90">1:30</a> - I can't tell if Zam and Mane doing an animation at the same time there was a coincidence or one of those intentional things where a Pokemon will do their idle "flourish" animation for certain circumstances like Legends Arceus had [such as a 'mon getting "hit" with a move it has an immunity to]
I was hoping you'd make this video!!
I actually like the set where you drop protect and just run Iron D, Heavy slam, body press, wide guard. I can't bring myself to drop one of these, they are all too good.
I’m so glad Zamazenta has been getting some attention. It’s been my favorite Pokémon ever since it got introduced and I feel like it’s design was super underrated... I just really like it’s color scheme lol
That’s why I picked shield over sword when those games first came out. Zamazenta’s design was so cool. I didn’t know this at the time either, but miraidon is better than koraidon due to not having any 4x weaknesses. I picked violet as my main at the time because it had the present-day version exclusives I wanted to have on my team
I really enjoy Chien-Pao in Reg G. Ice Spinner is phenomenal for terrain teams, and sword of ruin enhances many Pokémon. I specially like a core of Speed Boosting Flutter Mane, Sash Pao, AV Entei and Scarf Koraidon. Flutter mane supports with spread damage and Icy Wind speed control, Pao has priority, eliminates terrain, and makes Koraidon and Entei stronger, Entei with AV can be rather specially bulky, being very helpful vs Miraidon, Caly-S and Terapagos, while having the best priority in ESpeed, and also having the busted Sacred Fire boosted by Koraidon’s Sun. Finally, Koraidon can use Scarf to outrun most of the meta, is extremely powerful, has U-Turn to pivot around, and provides the sun to make Entei stronger, and Flutter Mane faster.
zama is finally good, and all it took was.. 2 massive nerfs to zacien, a move pool buff. and a brand new hold item LMAO
I feel like you are spinning the narrative here a bit. Both Zacien and Zamazenta got the same nerfs Zaciens stat nerfs were a bit harder, but they both got them. He got one move, a singular move. A held item was added that changed the landscape of the meta. Because it allowed every pokemon the chance to get around intimidate. Which Zacien cannot use and Zama does not need.
Zam benefit literally nothing from new item, it just that Zacian can’t use clear amulet while Zam doesn’t care about attack drop to begin with. Both Zacian and Zam got the same nerf as well.
To be honest, GF gave Zacian too much tools in Gen 8 and gave too little in comparison for Zamazenta. I feel like this is really deserving.
@@pallpksp9142*gen 8 but yeah
And a meta focused on spread move with poor Wide Guard distribution
Body press is one of the most based moves GF has ever come up with. We need more like it
What Body Press does to a mf:
That was the biggest U-Turn I've ever seen
Damn I knew I was cooking when I put body press on zamazenta in hackomons
Zamazenta got that DAWG in it
Zamazenta went from lvl 1 Crook to lvl 99 Mafia Boss
we love an under dog 💖
Zam was my favourite looking out of the shield/sword duo. I'm glad it's finally getting the attention it always deserved.
I love both zacian and zamazenta, zacian by far my favorite and one of the coolest legendaries. I'm glad zamazenta getting love, would be cool to see both have a worlds title
bruh I remember zamazenta being legal in gen 9 ou for a while, this is hilarious
The heroic shield dog and the nefarious sword cat making the best duo is amazing.
Ah, I love seeing my shield doggo finally getting the time to shine!
THAT’S MY BOY
Literally an underdog story
they should have also buffed behemoth bash to base its power on defense like with body press, just saiyan
I’ve always loved Zamazenta more. Now it’s its time to shine.
I always loved Zama from the first day
Pokémon shield players finally getting their money worth
I'm glad tarapagos is getting play, he has such a cool design
As someone who got shield right before entering competitive, I love to see my boy eating
Why its signature move didn't scale off of defense is a mystery.
My boy finally made it
Will-o-Wisp Incineroar could now be a thing as burn affects Body Press if Zamazenta gets out of hand.
Good to see my shield dog finally getting recognition
My good boy did it
YESSSSS I'VE BEEN A ZAMAZENTA FAN DAY ONE i dont even pay attention to competitve but i love the non rusted shield form of zamazenta
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1">0:01</a> good to know terapagos isn't entirely bad.
The redemption arc is insane
how can anyone hate on such a good boy
It brings a smile to my face to see that my two favorite legendary Pokémon got time in the spotlight
I actually quite enjoyed Zacian + RegiWeezing. Intrepid Sword’s nerf is so massive that Zacian really doesn’t care if it doesn’t activate, and holding it back until the latest possible moment via Weezing’s Gas can be massive. Regigigas also pairs really nicely, as this way, u essentially have 2 restricteds, just not on the field at the same time.
Not gonna lie but i think a support zamazenta can do well in the meta too. Zamazenta already has helping hand and coaching, i might try it out with mudsdale then spam body press or heavy spam. Btw i got this idea from a online friend:)
MY BOY. THAT IS MY BOY. WOOOO i mean not get effected by intimidate is great thing to have when that abilities was too good for 2v2
My good boy finally getting the respect he deserves
I do believe that Zacian's Intrepid sword should have come with a consolation prize after the nerf. A built in Hyper Cutter would have been nice to prevent those nasty Intimidate drops. Zacian will be good in Double restricted when paired with Zamazenta's Coaching.
Cool, now make Behemoth Bash also use defense instead of attack because it makes as much sense as Zama getting Body Press, idc if that makes it too broken, the second they allowed Mega Ray, Zacian and Calyrex Shadow to exist, they lost the rights to make excuses about a mon being too broken
Now imagine if Behemoth Bash used your defense like body press
Zacian had to step aside for the new sword legendary while Zama finally gets to let his shield shine
*From Zero to Crowned Hero: A Zamazenta Story* Coming soon to theaters near you.
Ice Rider also outclassed Shadow Rider & became no. 2... The dominance of the underrated powerhouses... In someday, Koraidon would defeat Miraidon...
Please do a video on why defiant isn't everywhere in VGC!
Great video