Welcome to Suppressor Science! The video series where we explore anything and everything that has to do with suppressors. EP 02: Pistons Find out everything you wanted to know about pistons and more!
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Anybody else amazed by the amount of movement in frame of the Glock near the muzzle at 5.56 mins?
@Britishshooter3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit that is crazy. I never knew that was supposed to happen?
@patjoslin40873 жыл бұрын
This is why polymer frames Glocks and other such pistols are much more durable than alloy framed pistols. Alloy frames can experience stress fracture after several thousand rounds.
@max38353 жыл бұрын
Yes, that surprised me too
@castloader17152 жыл бұрын
Yes!!
@christopherfruth57442 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too almost looks like it’s coming apart!
@angrybiker12 жыл бұрын
That was probably one of the most professional fun videos I’ve ever seen with just the right mix of humour thrown in. Very informative and easy to understand.
@octavianyoung58433 жыл бұрын
Thanks for stopping by and checking it out!
@SilencerCo2 жыл бұрын
@@SilencerCo hi What is your healthy way with piston or without piston?
@sinankeskin3398 Жыл бұрын
HUGE help! I’m very new to the suppressor community and had no idea why I needed a booster/piston assembly for my handgun. My first instinct was that the guy at the store was just selling me crap I didn’t really need, but who am I to question the guy that deals with these things every day? Now I fully understand the physics behind WHY I need it. Thanks so much!! Now I just need to learn how to be more patient with the ATF’s approval process! 😂😂
@mbolu349 Жыл бұрын
"Here is a NON-NFA Maxim pistol"-BRRRRRRTTTTTT
@700HpVette4 жыл бұрын
700HpVette, ya he just slips that in there like it’s no big deal. Omg that needs to be mine.
@Glocktard4 жыл бұрын
Non-NFA MAXIM .........must.......have
@jasonkilker46674 жыл бұрын
Product announcement video disguised as an educational video.
@BrianJacobson4 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how a suppressed, full auto pistol can be a non-nfa item? Or am I just missing the point of a joke?
@mrmactknife4 жыл бұрын
@@mrmactknife "prototype" allows it in the same vein as the G18. It won't ever be sold in the U.S. but the semi auto version will. I'm sure it's a joke designed to invoke these questions sprinkled with jealousy....it worked.
@jasonkilker46674 жыл бұрын
I had no idea wtf a piston was, or why I had to buy it, but now, I understand. The slow-mo really helped! Thanks guys!
@qx4n9e1xp3 жыл бұрын
Of course! Thanks for stopping by and checking it out!
@SilencerCo3 жыл бұрын
Wow! The bottom frame movement at the rail upon cycling. Incredible video.
@gle3105Күн бұрын
Now I understand this so much better! I can more confidently choose the proper equipment I’ll need when I get my first suppressor soon.
@SavageOutlaw17 Жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in see a video explaining why some pistols will run with a suppressor out of the box no problem (like my CZ P10c) and others will not (Like my Sig P320c, had to buy fancy expensive recoil spring kit). Sound interesting to you. You guys make really interesting and good videos. Keep it up
@DVEarley199511 ай бұрын
The slow motion capability of the high speed camera and your explanation just saved me from making a mistake in my order of a suppressor. And your explanation was enjoyable. Thanks a bunch.
@bdog3869 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this excellent explanation. This is exactly the information I was looking for to understand the additional parts I needed.
@NickTanner13 жыл бұрын
I tell people the booster/Nielsen device/piston allows the suppressor to float momentarily, freeing its mass from the barrel and slide just long enough for them to unlock properly and cycle the action.
@Paladin18734 жыл бұрын
That's a very accurate summary.
@SilencerCo4 жыл бұрын
@@SilencerCo Its actually not, from a physics standpoint the pressure in the can is driving the barrel to the rear adding force to help the pistol cycle. It does not simply "decouple". Using terminology like "float" and decouple" denotes a passivity to what's going on. The pressure generated in the can and against the inside of the case actively push the can and barrel/slide away from each other aiding in cycling. That's why terminology such as "piston" and "booster" are used. Everyone assumes because the piston doesnt have a surface to act on that gas pressure isnt at play here. the reality is once screwed onto the barrel the breach face/case become the surface the gas pressure acts on. Boosters effectively turn a recoil impulse operated system into a gas operated one.
@bikefreek2 жыл бұрын
@@bikefreek and that is how you complicate a simple summary 😂
@relevation02 жыл бұрын
@@bikefreek Well then by that logic, you shouldn’t need the booster assembly at all. In fact, it should cycle better without the piston assembly then. If it’s the pressure in the can exerting force rearward against the casing and breech face, forcing the slide rearward, you’d have more pressure to assure cycling. But that’s not the case. It does in fact, de-couple the system. Kind of like a suspension strut on a car where the barrel/ piston would be the wheel and the car, the slide. The wheel is free to move independently from the car in one axis momentarily but also structurally supported in different axis. After the round leaves the muzzle, both the the slide and barrel move rearward together momentarily until they separate and the slide continues on its own while the barrel remains. Without a piston the force of the gasses rearward against the shell casing would have to move the weight of the barrel, suppressor and slide all rearward until it hit the locking block, then there would have to be enough momentum left in the slide to travel rearwards fully to properly cycle the next round. Some is also dissipated into the frame via the barrel hitting the locking block. On typical handgun cartridges, there’s just not enough initial force created to force all that mass rearward and have enough left over for the slide itself to continue fully rearward. I suppose if you had a hot enough round to create enough rearward force initially, it might work, but at the expense of lots of wear and tear on the other parts. It would be like driving a vehicle with no suspension and the wheel hubs directly mounted to the frame. It’s pretty much like a suspension for your barrel.
@bradskis812 жыл бұрын
@@bradskis81 The pressure in the can cant push the breach to the rear without a booster... think of it this way, The case, barrel and booster "piston" are the piston and piston rod of a pneumatic cylinder. The can is outer tube. When the gasses pressurize the inside of the barrel and can the barrel is forced rearwards.... that force aides cycling. Why do you think terms like "piston" and booster" are used for them? It is NOT a passive system to simply allow the gun to cycle. It actively adds force to drive the slide and barrel back.
@bikefreek2 жыл бұрын
You guys make great videos.
@dluap754 жыл бұрын
We appreciate you stopping by and checking it out!
@SilencerCo4 жыл бұрын
I want to see a full video on that full auto maxim nine
@brettsmith37034 жыл бұрын
Where can I get one, ha ha. Probable out of my price range
@DVEarley199511 ай бұрын
Excellent video with a great explanation and technical demonstration on a suppressor's functionality. Thank you!
@invictus35982 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making a helpful video describing not only why you have a piston, but the actual physics of why. This has really helped me understand suppressors as a whole. Thanks again.
@dolphinprincessrox23 жыл бұрын
Happy help! Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video.
@SilencerCo3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining the piston, that helps me a lot understanding the need for one.
@guyurbina28393 жыл бұрын
in depth view of mechanics of the silencer, additional interchangeable parts. awsome view
@alvintarrer6914 Жыл бұрын
LOL, good mix of fun and facts. Love how high-speed photography captures what would otherwise just be 'theory'.
@XrayMike17plus18 ай бұрын
Outstanding informational. This cleared up some questions I had about an Omega 9k with pistol and PDW configurations.
@chetoflep18 күн бұрын
Interesting video would be either showing the differences in how the back pressure of a suppressor impacts a Direct Impingement rifle vs that of a piston system, or subguns(roller delayed blowback vs blowback). Or maybe even just a larger video surrounding blowback, and how you test it when developing a new suppressor.
@ralphietwoshoes4 жыл бұрын
Great topic. We will add this to the growing list!
@SilencerCo4 жыл бұрын
@@SilencerCo 👍
@clintmullins86702 жыл бұрын
OMG the running to weigh the slide was hilarious! Love that part😆
@ingodwetrust762 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis! Thank you!
@liedebunker12532 жыл бұрын
Perfectly explained. Thanks
@bf86066 ай бұрын
sure is nice to get this information that's backed up with video evidence from an authoritative source - this video pretty much answers all the questions I had about "that other thing" I'd need to get besides the silencer itself
@miraclemax082 жыл бұрын
This was really well produced. Thanks for the information.
@baddadjokes93306 ай бұрын
Great videos . The physics make sense for a booster
@JK-br9lh4 ай бұрын
Hello from Pasco County, FL. Thank you for the excellent educational video. Well done.
@TheKCaryer Жыл бұрын
Great video. Informative and to the point with realtime examples. Subscribed.
@ddv2.4 Жыл бұрын
great video! great explanation of why it's important to use a piston on a floating barrel pistol. it looks like the bullet has far cleared the suppressor muzzle before the slide action happens- have you ever seen a baffle strike when adding a fixed suppressor on a floating barrel (sans piston)?
@nac49653 жыл бұрын
That was super helpful! Thank you for your work!
@xochj Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the education!!! Very cool.
@FeralRabbit3 жыл бұрын
First, your videos demonstrating the mechanics are awesome!!! So many people/companies make claims about products and even if they show how they collected data, none compare to your videos. Great job guys! Now, how about expanding some of your videos to include: a) what happens on fixed barrels, b) with and without boosters, c) PDW/PCC guns, d) DI and gas piston guns? I know you must have a ton of high speed video collected. You probably have a fortune invested in that equipment. Again, great job! PS. I own a couple of your products but maybe did not appreciate the work until now.
@johnhosstx3 жыл бұрын
How cool! Man, I love the slow motion video! The first time I’ve been able to actually see the bullet leave the barrel of a gun. The Maxim 9 is badass too.
@shannondavis65712 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@SilencerCo2 жыл бұрын
Very cool, fellas! I'd love to see more videos like this!
@sctv89074 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, we have many more planned for the near future!
@SilencerCo4 жыл бұрын
Great video- answered so many questions
@stephaniek54333 жыл бұрын
7:35, I need that in my life
@easbreid98794 жыл бұрын
Neat Prototype! And Reddot on the front, interesting, I like it!!
@floridamike753 жыл бұрын
Fantastic information Very interesting...the science involved..interesting
@tuckit58333 жыл бұрын
Excellent, excellent video. Very informative.
@33legionb592 жыл бұрын
This video was an excellent way to show how the piston functions, and how much it affects the slide movement on the graph. I never knew that the piston actually had that much action within the can fitting. Thanks a ton for this. Saved me a lot of headache, I was about to try direct thread on everything. One thing I would like to know, if you run the piston on a fixed barrel, then run the direct thread adapter on the same fixed barrel, same ammo etc, how much difference in dB is there due to the extra volume in the direct thread case?
@mrip30783 жыл бұрын
Outstanding explanation and video!
@EEDad401 Жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thank you.
@christoney2491 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thank you for the education. Please can you do a video on the types of approach to managing the gases, cross flow, phase cancellation, turbulence and theory behind the "mouse hole" and "dater hole" with respect to cross flow. I'll be waiting patiently putting off chores until I see the video.
@jeffreystroman28113 жыл бұрын
Great information.
@joshlarkin502211 ай бұрын
Good info and excellent with the slo mo. I'd like to the difference between dry and wet firing.
@user-fz7xg6xn5v2 ай бұрын
Good ol Glock frame-flexx... gotta love it.
@samuelcabe33723 жыл бұрын
Best video ever explaining why pistons are important.
@synonyx2 жыл бұрын
Very excellent video, thank-you! I now understand why they are there and what it is they do. (Boosters or Pistons) I know very little about suppressors and the how's and why's so why is it ok to have a .45 caliber suppressor and install a piston with the thread size for a 9mm and shoot 9 through it? Does the suppressor work as well to suppress the sound or not?
@jeffrystout62224 жыл бұрын
Love this series of videos...
@jonkegley62744 жыл бұрын
Best video on this subject thank you!!
@rahulxsood3 жыл бұрын
Very informative!
@garywemmer934210 ай бұрын
Ive always known why you use "pistons" but this helped understand why. Good video.
@SAvoltage3 жыл бұрын
extremely helpful thank you
@jon232112 жыл бұрын
look how much that guide rod and frame/rail wiggle in slowmo.. Holy Cow!
@justkiknit19 күн бұрын
When will the non nfa be out?
@TomGun4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Now, how to I configure my Omega 9k for a fixed barrel? I have your ASR mount and muzzle break...
@jsa3107 ай бұрын
Great video
@mikeodell59153 жыл бұрын
Awesome channel...🇬🇧
@markletts88023 жыл бұрын
Great slow motion explanation ...
@rkstr99653 жыл бұрын
5:59 didn't know polylower where this much sturdy!!!
@supamastafly3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for that pistol to hit the market
@Shadow-ol2ik4 жыл бұрын
It's when I really WANT 1 TO
@jamesbryan26463 жыл бұрын
first video i foulnd, that did exactly what i wanted to see :) thx dude
@mummel20132 жыл бұрын
Good to hear! Thanks for stopping by and checking it out.
@SilencerCo2 жыл бұрын
Now that’s awesome footage!!! Thanks for sharing!!! 🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
@purtyboyfloyd22904 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks. Question: if you put a suppressor on a 9mm PCC, do you need the booster?
@rikdanielsen11188 ай бұрын
You would need to either use a direct thread adapter or replace the spring on the piston with a fixed barrel spacer.
@SilencerCo8 ай бұрын
love the video..........................!
@hvyduty12203 жыл бұрын
Nicely done! If u taught this as a class I would sign up lol
@akajakeyyale18973 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I always wondered why pistols need a piston
@jakesnakes58662 жыл бұрын
What is the effect of booster spring rate on the slide velocity? I notice many of the commercial boosters I have tried use very stiff springs.
@ExpatriotSilencers4 жыл бұрын
At 5:50 flex in the glock polymer frame at the front is surprising! Also shooter holds gun so low in hand he could get 'slide bite'!
@mmpiforall59133 жыл бұрын
That Maxim is some kind of crazy wizardry.
@charlieghague3 жыл бұрын
Your graph showed velocity against time, with the velocity on the Y axis and time on the X axis. I think it would be interesting to see a graph of distance (slide distance traveled rearward) over time - i.e. the derivative of velocity, with distance shown on the Y axis, and time on the X axis. That way, the overlay of the 3 curves would indicate the retardation effect on the slide's actual motion, of the additional weight of the silencer, and the reduction of that weight retardation initially, as a result of the decoupling effect of the piston. Or even a slow-motion time-lapse 3 panel video with all 3 firings shown one above the other, so you could see the deceleration and reduced motion attributable to the additional weight, and then mitigated by the decoupling. Geeky, I know, but a picture is worth a thousand words. Interesting video!
@MrGsteele3 жыл бұрын
I have the piston add-on. Can I also use it on a 1/2x28 direct thread fixed barrel? Or is the fixed barrel spacer required? What would happen otherwise?
@scott27t4 жыл бұрын
Fixed barrel 9mm: Walther CCP m2
@chemusvandergeek12094 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the test results would be like if you install a heavier or lighter recoil spring ?
@jimddksntbs12539 Жыл бұрын
I just bought a Taurus G3 tactical, it came with a lighter spring and it didn't help. I also reload my own bullets. I tried going up to max powder and heavier bullets (147gr) to get more recoil. That didn't work either. I'm now waiting for my piston to come in the mail to go on my Hybrid 46, so my pistol will work.
@wozboat8 ай бұрын
i appreciate that you call it a silencer.... thanks
@alhodge40513 жыл бұрын
I am curious about heavier recoil springs in suppressed pistols. Are they needed or recomended? Do some hosts and or caliber combo's need them more? I have heard of some manufactures include different recoil springs with there factory suppressor ready models. I know my Glock 35 with an Omega 45k seems to cycle smother and return into battery better with a 24lb recoil spring. It would be good to hear from someone who has more experience and data.
@alaskagundad71404 жыл бұрын
Hey, cool video you guys nailed it a question I had about going to the fixed barrel! I also sent you guys a e-mail about a month ago asking why my silencer was not silent through my carbine and the answer you gave DID NOT NAIL IT. "1st thing is to try different ammo. JD" a little more detail would have been more helpful!
@Chris-px2ft3 жыл бұрын
TRY SUBSONIC AMMO DINGALING
@Fdeubcfhbbjhfd2 жыл бұрын
A video on different baffle profiles and spacing would be interesting.
@bmssenjoyer4 жыл бұрын
Love it.
@SilencerCo4 жыл бұрын
very cool
@r.minnis97224 жыл бұрын
Excellent example of the Piston. Thank you! I have my first can, a Hybrid 46m, I am using the piston mount, with a 1/2 x 28 piston. I had issues. What is the benefit of what a XL piston would do? 1/2 x 28XL vs non XL?
@baxr1558 Жыл бұрын
How do you guarantee that the bullet exits the end of the silencer before the barrel/slide unlocks and the barrel tilts upward? Seems like you would get baffle or end cap strikes a lot.
@AJ-ij4cq3 жыл бұрын
Question: if you are using the direct mount on a fixed barrel like cz scorpion, do you remove the spring or leave the spring? I don’t think you need it obviously from your demonstration but the space behind the direct mount is still there. Thank you.
@ericpeterson2823 жыл бұрын
Would I need a piston on a Berretta 92fs
@carlos.759 ай бұрын
Smart dudes!
@bradfordpalmer22985 ай бұрын
Can you cover what happens if you use a booster setup on a fixed barrel PCC such as a Ruger PCC9 or lever action .357?
@brianwhite66913 ай бұрын
My new cgs mod 9 suppressor appears to have problems with the piston spring...both ends have flaired out somewhat...its hard to assemble and the piston 'gears' do not engage.....so when I attach the suppressor, I can still rotate it by hand (not where you have to pull it out to make point of aim adjustments). Have you heard of this? Do springs wear out after ~300 rounds? is this a unique CGS problem? any advice greatly appreciated.
@bumpa333 жыл бұрын
that pistol at 7:02 is SIIIIIIIIIIICK
@ragnarokbladeworks2 жыл бұрын
The slide is slowed by the spring also. Is there a ratio to spring weights between the two?
@mylesharvey64882 жыл бұрын
I guess supressors are good for snipers. But going Rambo kicks butt. I want you to hear us. LOL!
@free-birdrocker88092 жыл бұрын
is it normal for the piston to have a slight side to side play. like if you screw the can down all the way then turn it the opposite way the can will move a little bit before it starts unthreading from the barrel?
@astronautdolphindetective69083 жыл бұрын
You could see at @6:00 that the guide rod HITS the piston. Does this cause wear? do you need to upgrade to a metal guide rod due to this??!
@Andrew-FKF Жыл бұрын
I need to see this with a full auto Glock. How does it not baffle strike with that much movement if it’s rapid firing. Awesome video
@HoosierDynamics Жыл бұрын
Should or do I need a fixed spacer on a osprey 45 to use on say a pc9 carbine or just use spring
@jefflane41222 жыл бұрын
Now I know! thanks
@trapez62713 жыл бұрын
It's crazy how the front of the frame moves given the polymer flexing...
@ETHRON15 ай бұрын
are they doing this out in west valley? man i want to visit
@zgu11 ай бұрын
At 5:26, has anyone had the issue of the guide rod getting stuck right up against the piston? You can see the clearance is extremely tight, but I'm having that problem..
@nortizz2 жыл бұрын
So does that mean that with a booster you should run a stronger than OEM spring, so your slide isn’t slamming with too much force rearward?
@wtfmrkratos2 жыл бұрын
I cant believe they discontinued the Octane line that was the best line of silencers for handguns. I hope the still warranty them.
@TMHonfire1024 жыл бұрын
Not only will we always warranty any product regardless if it gets discontinued or not, but keep your eyes open during shot show.
Anybody else amazed by the amount of movement in frame of the Glock near the muzzle at 5.56 mins?
Holy shit that is crazy. I never knew that was supposed to happen?
This is why polymer frames Glocks and other such pistols are much more durable than alloy framed pistols. Alloy frames can experience stress fracture after several thousand rounds.
Yes, that surprised me too
Yes!!
I noticed that too almost looks like it’s coming apart!
That was probably one of the most professional fun videos I’ve ever seen with just the right mix of humour thrown in. Very informative and easy to understand.
Thanks for stopping by and checking it out!
@@SilencerCo hi What is your healthy way with piston or without piston?
HUGE help! I’m very new to the suppressor community and had no idea why I needed a booster/piston assembly for my handgun. My first instinct was that the guy at the store was just selling me crap I didn’t really need, but who am I to question the guy that deals with these things every day? Now I fully understand the physics behind WHY I need it. Thanks so much!! Now I just need to learn how to be more patient with the ATF’s approval process! 😂😂
"Here is a NON-NFA Maxim pistol"-BRRRRRRTTTTTT
700HpVette, ya he just slips that in there like it’s no big deal. Omg that needs to be mine.
Non-NFA MAXIM .........must.......have
Product announcement video disguised as an educational video.
I don't understand how a suppressed, full auto pistol can be a non-nfa item? Or am I just missing the point of a joke?
@@mrmactknife "prototype" allows it in the same vein as the G18. It won't ever be sold in the U.S. but the semi auto version will. I'm sure it's a joke designed to invoke these questions sprinkled with jealousy....it worked.
I had no idea wtf a piston was, or why I had to buy it, but now, I understand. The slow-mo really helped! Thanks guys!
Of course! Thanks for stopping by and checking it out!
Wow! The bottom frame movement at the rail upon cycling. Incredible video.
Now I understand this so much better! I can more confidently choose the proper equipment I’ll need when I get my first suppressor soon.
I'd be interested in see a video explaining why some pistols will run with a suppressor out of the box no problem (like my CZ P10c) and others will not (Like my Sig P320c, had to buy fancy expensive recoil spring kit). Sound interesting to you. You guys make really interesting and good videos. Keep it up
The slow motion capability of the high speed camera and your explanation just saved me from making a mistake in my order of a suppressor. And your explanation was enjoyable. Thanks a bunch.
Thank you for this excellent explanation. This is exactly the information I was looking for to understand the additional parts I needed.
I tell people the booster/Nielsen device/piston allows the suppressor to float momentarily, freeing its mass from the barrel and slide just long enough for them to unlock properly and cycle the action.
That's a very accurate summary.
@@SilencerCo Its actually not, from a physics standpoint the pressure in the can is driving the barrel to the rear adding force to help the pistol cycle. It does not simply "decouple". Using terminology like "float" and decouple" denotes a passivity to what's going on. The pressure generated in the can and against the inside of the case actively push the can and barrel/slide away from each other aiding in cycling. That's why terminology such as "piston" and "booster" are used. Everyone assumes because the piston doesnt have a surface to act on that gas pressure isnt at play here. the reality is once screwed onto the barrel the breach face/case become the surface the gas pressure acts on. Boosters effectively turn a recoil impulse operated system into a gas operated one.
@@bikefreek and that is how you complicate a simple summary 😂
@@bikefreek Well then by that logic, you shouldn’t need the booster assembly at all. In fact, it should cycle better without the piston assembly then. If it’s the pressure in the can exerting force rearward against the casing and breech face, forcing the slide rearward, you’d have more pressure to assure cycling. But that’s not the case. It does in fact, de-couple the system. Kind of like a suspension strut on a car where the barrel/ piston would be the wheel and the car, the slide. The wheel is free to move independently from the car in one axis momentarily but also structurally supported in different axis. After the round leaves the muzzle, both the the slide and barrel move rearward together momentarily until they separate and the slide continues on its own while the barrel remains. Without a piston the force of the gasses rearward against the shell casing would have to move the weight of the barrel, suppressor and slide all rearward until it hit the locking block, then there would have to be enough momentum left in the slide to travel rearwards fully to properly cycle the next round. Some is also dissipated into the frame via the barrel hitting the locking block. On typical handgun cartridges, there’s just not enough initial force created to force all that mass rearward and have enough left over for the slide itself to continue fully rearward. I suppose if you had a hot enough round to create enough rearward force initially, it might work, but at the expense of lots of wear and tear on the other parts. It would be like driving a vehicle with no suspension and the wheel hubs directly mounted to the frame. It’s pretty much like a suspension for your barrel.
@@bradskis81 The pressure in the can cant push the breach to the rear without a booster... think of it this way, The case, barrel and booster "piston" are the piston and piston rod of a pneumatic cylinder. The can is outer tube. When the gasses pressurize the inside of the barrel and can the barrel is forced rearwards.... that force aides cycling. Why do you think terms like "piston" and booster" are used for them? It is NOT a passive system to simply allow the gun to cycle. It actively adds force to drive the slide and barrel back.
You guys make great videos.
We appreciate you stopping by and checking it out!
I want to see a full video on that full auto maxim nine
Where can I get one, ha ha. Probable out of my price range
Excellent video with a great explanation and technical demonstration on a suppressor's functionality. Thank you!
Thank you for making a helpful video describing not only why you have a piston, but the actual physics of why. This has really helped me understand suppressors as a whole. Thanks again.
Happy help! Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video.
Thanks for explaining the piston, that helps me a lot understanding the need for one.
in depth view of mechanics of the silencer, additional interchangeable parts. awsome view
LOL, good mix of fun and facts. Love how high-speed photography captures what would otherwise just be 'theory'.
Outstanding informational. This cleared up some questions I had about an Omega 9k with pistol and PDW configurations.
Interesting video would be either showing the differences in how the back pressure of a suppressor impacts a Direct Impingement rifle vs that of a piston system, or subguns(roller delayed blowback vs blowback). Or maybe even just a larger video surrounding blowback, and how you test it when developing a new suppressor.
Great topic. We will add this to the growing list!
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OMG the running to weigh the slide was hilarious! Love that part😆
Excellent analysis! Thank you!
Perfectly explained. Thanks
sure is nice to get this information that's backed up with video evidence from an authoritative source - this video pretty much answers all the questions I had about "that other thing" I'd need to get besides the silencer itself
This was really well produced. Thanks for the information.
Great videos . The physics make sense for a booster
Hello from Pasco County, FL. Thank you for the excellent educational video. Well done.
Great video. Informative and to the point with realtime examples. Subscribed.
great video! great explanation of why it's important to use a piston on a floating barrel pistol. it looks like the bullet has far cleared the suppressor muzzle before the slide action happens- have you ever seen a baffle strike when adding a fixed suppressor on a floating barrel (sans piston)?
That was super helpful! Thank you for your work!
Thanks for the education!!! Very cool.
First, your videos demonstrating the mechanics are awesome!!! So many people/companies make claims about products and even if they show how they collected data, none compare to your videos. Great job guys! Now, how about expanding some of your videos to include: a) what happens on fixed barrels, b) with and without boosters, c) PDW/PCC guns, d) DI and gas piston guns? I know you must have a ton of high speed video collected. You probably have a fortune invested in that equipment. Again, great job! PS. I own a couple of your products but maybe did not appreciate the work until now.
How cool! Man, I love the slow motion video! The first time I’ve been able to actually see the bullet leave the barrel of a gun. The Maxim 9 is badass too.
Thanks for watching!
Very cool, fellas! I'd love to see more videos like this!
Don't worry, we have many more planned for the near future!
Great video- answered so many questions
7:35, I need that in my life
Neat Prototype! And Reddot on the front, interesting, I like it!!
Fantastic information Very interesting...the science involved..interesting
Excellent, excellent video. Very informative.
This video was an excellent way to show how the piston functions, and how much it affects the slide movement on the graph. I never knew that the piston actually had that much action within the can fitting. Thanks a ton for this. Saved me a lot of headache, I was about to try direct thread on everything. One thing I would like to know, if you run the piston on a fixed barrel, then run the direct thread adapter on the same fixed barrel, same ammo etc, how much difference in dB is there due to the extra volume in the direct thread case?
Outstanding explanation and video!
Very informative. Thank you.
Excellent video, thank you for the education. Please can you do a video on the types of approach to managing the gases, cross flow, phase cancellation, turbulence and theory behind the "mouse hole" and "dater hole" with respect to cross flow. I'll be waiting patiently putting off chores until I see the video.
Great information.
Good info and excellent with the slo mo. I'd like to the difference between dry and wet firing.
Good ol Glock frame-flexx... gotta love it.
Best video ever explaining why pistons are important.
Very excellent video, thank-you! I now understand why they are there and what it is they do. (Boosters or Pistons) I know very little about suppressors and the how's and why's so why is it ok to have a .45 caliber suppressor and install a piston with the thread size for a 9mm and shoot 9 through it? Does the suppressor work as well to suppress the sound or not?
Love this series of videos...
Best video on this subject thank you!!
Very informative!
Ive always known why you use "pistons" but this helped understand why. Good video.
extremely helpful thank you
look how much that guide rod and frame/rail wiggle in slowmo.. Holy Cow!
When will the non nfa be out?
Excellent video. Now, how to I configure my Omega 9k for a fixed barrel? I have your ASR mount and muzzle break...
Great video
Awesome channel...🇬🇧
Great slow motion explanation ...
5:59 didn't know polylower where this much sturdy!!!
Can't wait for that pistol to hit the market
It's when I really WANT 1 TO
first video i foulnd, that did exactly what i wanted to see :) thx dude
Good to hear! Thanks for stopping by and checking it out.
Now that’s awesome footage!!! Thanks for sharing!!! 🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
Great video, thanks. Question: if you put a suppressor on a 9mm PCC, do you need the booster?
You would need to either use a direct thread adapter or replace the spring on the piston with a fixed barrel spacer.
love the video..........................!
Nicely done! If u taught this as a class I would sign up lol
Nice video, I always wondered why pistols need a piston
What is the effect of booster spring rate on the slide velocity? I notice many of the commercial boosters I have tried use very stiff springs.
At 5:50 flex in the glock polymer frame at the front is surprising! Also shooter holds gun so low in hand he could get 'slide bite'!
That Maxim is some kind of crazy wizardry.
Your graph showed velocity against time, with the velocity on the Y axis and time on the X axis. I think it would be interesting to see a graph of distance (slide distance traveled rearward) over time - i.e. the derivative of velocity, with distance shown on the Y axis, and time on the X axis. That way, the overlay of the 3 curves would indicate the retardation effect on the slide's actual motion, of the additional weight of the silencer, and the reduction of that weight retardation initially, as a result of the decoupling effect of the piston. Or even a slow-motion time-lapse 3 panel video with all 3 firings shown one above the other, so you could see the deceleration and reduced motion attributable to the additional weight, and then mitigated by the decoupling. Geeky, I know, but a picture is worth a thousand words. Interesting video!
I have the piston add-on. Can I also use it on a 1/2x28 direct thread fixed barrel? Or is the fixed barrel spacer required? What would happen otherwise?
Fixed barrel 9mm: Walther CCP m2
I wonder what the test results would be like if you install a heavier or lighter recoil spring ?
I just bought a Taurus G3 tactical, it came with a lighter spring and it didn't help. I also reload my own bullets. I tried going up to max powder and heavier bullets (147gr) to get more recoil. That didn't work either. I'm now waiting for my piston to come in the mail to go on my Hybrid 46, so my pistol will work.
i appreciate that you call it a silencer.... thanks
I am curious about heavier recoil springs in suppressed pistols. Are they needed or recomended? Do some hosts and or caliber combo's need them more? I have heard of some manufactures include different recoil springs with there factory suppressor ready models. I know my Glock 35 with an Omega 45k seems to cycle smother and return into battery better with a 24lb recoil spring. It would be good to hear from someone who has more experience and data.
Hey, cool video you guys nailed it a question I had about going to the fixed barrel! I also sent you guys a e-mail about a month ago asking why my silencer was not silent through my carbine and the answer you gave DID NOT NAIL IT. "1st thing is to try different ammo. JD" a little more detail would have been more helpful!
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A video on different baffle profiles and spacing would be interesting.
Love it.
very cool
Excellent example of the Piston. Thank you! I have my first can, a Hybrid 46m, I am using the piston mount, with a 1/2 x 28 piston. I had issues. What is the benefit of what a XL piston would do? 1/2 x 28XL vs non XL?
How do you guarantee that the bullet exits the end of the silencer before the barrel/slide unlocks and the barrel tilts upward? Seems like you would get baffle or end cap strikes a lot.
Question: if you are using the direct mount on a fixed barrel like cz scorpion, do you remove the spring or leave the spring? I don’t think you need it obviously from your demonstration but the space behind the direct mount is still there. Thank you.
Would I need a piston on a Berretta 92fs
Smart dudes!
Can you cover what happens if you use a booster setup on a fixed barrel PCC such as a Ruger PCC9 or lever action .357?
My new cgs mod 9 suppressor appears to have problems with the piston spring...both ends have flaired out somewhat...its hard to assemble and the piston 'gears' do not engage.....so when I attach the suppressor, I can still rotate it by hand (not where you have to pull it out to make point of aim adjustments). Have you heard of this? Do springs wear out after ~300 rounds? is this a unique CGS problem? any advice greatly appreciated.
that pistol at 7:02 is SIIIIIIIIIIICK
The slide is slowed by the spring also. Is there a ratio to spring weights between the two?
I guess supressors are good for snipers. But going Rambo kicks butt. I want you to hear us. LOL!
is it normal for the piston to have a slight side to side play. like if you screw the can down all the way then turn it the opposite way the can will move a little bit before it starts unthreading from the barrel?
You could see at @6:00 that the guide rod HITS the piston. Does this cause wear? do you need to upgrade to a metal guide rod due to this??!
I need to see this with a full auto Glock. How does it not baffle strike with that much movement if it’s rapid firing. Awesome video
Should or do I need a fixed spacer on a osprey 45 to use on say a pc9 carbine or just use spring
Now I know! thanks
It's crazy how the front of the frame moves given the polymer flexing...
are they doing this out in west valley? man i want to visit
At 5:26, has anyone had the issue of the guide rod getting stuck right up against the piston? You can see the clearance is extremely tight, but I'm having that problem..
So does that mean that with a booster you should run a stronger than OEM spring, so your slide isn’t slamming with too much force rearward?
I cant believe they discontinued the Octane line that was the best line of silencers for handguns. I hope the still warranty them.
Not only will we always warranty any product regardless if it gets discontinued or not, but keep your eyes open during shot show.
Do you have one of these for Taurus pt145