Bagworms

2018 ж. 21 Мау.
140 304 Рет қаралды

Nebraska Extension Entomologists Jonathan Larson and Jody Green identify bagworms and talk about what you can do to control them.

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  • Who’s here after Animal Crossing?

    @myaoyorozu2512@myaoyorozu25124 жыл бұрын
    • M Yaoyorozu me!! I just got so curious 😂

      @caitlynchime8875@caitlynchime88754 жыл бұрын
    • I found one a while ago and just now looked up what is was. When I heard bagworm I was like "I catch those all the time in acnh."

      @rosyrooroo352@rosyrooroo3524 жыл бұрын
    • Me

      @elighrodriguez4766@elighrodriguez47664 жыл бұрын
    • Me! I was wondering what the heck is this thing. Looks more like a pile of twigs than anything living :o

      @frosted-bird8740@frosted-bird87404 жыл бұрын
    • me, it looks so disgusting but it’s interesting

      @mariap4431@mariap44314 жыл бұрын
  • Pokémon is culture

    @Mistysil@Mistysil5 жыл бұрын
    • Beralsi C I came here because I love bermy

      @ratsmacker0469@ratsmacker04694 жыл бұрын
    • Im here because I love Pineco and Foretress

      @wef6146@wef61464 жыл бұрын
    • not the case

      @junodisarapong6635@junodisarapong66353 жыл бұрын
    • OH_YEAH_MR.KRABZ yes

      @carbonatedswag4244@carbonatedswag42443 жыл бұрын
    • Right Jodie?

      @christophertanner7757@christophertanner77573 жыл бұрын
  • Wow I never knew these little guys existed. Amazing

    @user-qr4gt6xc7p@user-qr4gt6xc7p5 жыл бұрын
    • Yes

      @gimmekromer1151@gimmekromer11514 жыл бұрын
    • someone doesn't play pokemon.

      @gregorymirabella1423@gregorymirabella14234 жыл бұрын
    • pokemon is lame af

      @lizdubyak2538@lizdubyak25384 жыл бұрын
    • @@lizdubyak2538 kzhead.info/sun/n8ycm9mgjKqZmnk/bejne.html

      @gregorymirabella1423@gregorymirabella14234 жыл бұрын
    • @@lizdubyak2538 To you. But it introduced many people to many animals they never heard of and other seldom species.

      @Nosretep@Nosretep4 жыл бұрын
  • Oh, how cute! Wait, what? You want me to kill these awesome, crafty little bug(ger)s?

    @Tharrel@Tharrel3 жыл бұрын
  • I wouldn’t have known about these insects if it weren’t for nintendo and game freak

    @fullriver1234@fullriver12344 жыл бұрын
  • I’m here because one was hanging on my ceiling

    @shaelove473@shaelove4734 жыл бұрын
    • Don't let them get in your ear.

      @seeharvester@seeharvester2 жыл бұрын
  • Pineco and wormadam

    @d.n.3652@d.n.36525 жыл бұрын
    • And burmy

      @chupacadabra5161@chupacadabra51614 жыл бұрын
    • @@chupacadabra5161 and mothim.

      @gregorymirabella1423@gregorymirabella14234 жыл бұрын
    • @@gregorymirabella1423 and Accelgor

      @TheZacharyMartinShow@TheZacharyMartinShow4 жыл бұрын
    • @@gregorymirabella1423 and Accelgor

      @TheZacharyMartinShow@TheZacharyMartinShow4 жыл бұрын
    • @@TheZacharyMartinShow no he isn't he's a ground beetle, a Carabus smaragdinus to be exact. they're nothing like bag worms.

      @gregorymirabella1423@gregorymirabella14234 жыл бұрын
  • Bag worms are my favorite bug. And then they started talking about killing them and 😭

    @mandysmith2018@mandysmith20182 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the video. I will start sprayig spinosad in early June instead of mid June next year from watching the video should my colorado spruce survive per my comments below.

    @larryloveless2967@larryloveless29673 жыл бұрын
  • I found these creepy looking cacoons hanging on windows and doors at my job and was wondering what they were.🤮

    @prettykitty3570@prettykitty35703 жыл бұрын
  • i use to see those all the time in Missouri, always seen there nests everywhere

    @spirit1663@spirit16633 жыл бұрын
  • I noticed my 6 foot colorado green spruce had its inside needles fallen just yesterday and these little ornamnetal cocoons hanging from the outside limbs. I thought the problem was from so much rain that has recently fallen in Missouri. If I saw them early I likely thought it was a healthy lookng cone for seeding. Boy was I wrong. It's mid August now in Missouri. When I brought 5 of them in to the nursery I was told they were bagworms and to hand pick them off immediately. I was recommended Spinosad spray from fertilome that I used one time since I read on the computer the spray is ineffective on them in mid August. I need to spray only from mid June to mid July given their life cycle I have read on the computer since it is after they hatch and start eating the needles and they are young. I placed about 30 cocoons in a sandwich bag and a day later a male worm came out moving in the bag. The females i have read are like maggots and were about to be impregnated by the males in September in their cocoons for birth in the next spring as both the original male and female die. Unforunetely I have read that on a Colorado spruce bagworms eating the inside needles already was like getting a terminal diagnosis going to the doctor since they get weekend so badly by the needle eating that you just do not see until too much damage has already been done. I had no idea.

    @larryloveless2967@larryloveless29673 жыл бұрын
  • I’m because of animal crossing. I didn’t think this was actually real...

    @Dhouse845@Dhouse8454 жыл бұрын
    • me too

      @Kurtswrld_@Kurtswrld_4 жыл бұрын
    • Not Dio what’s wrong about city kids?

      @Dhouse845@Dhouse8453 жыл бұрын
    • @I Love Koonboat they’re called masters of camouflage for a reason

      @floraidhfinnie4906@floraidhfinnie49063 жыл бұрын
  • what type of tree was they on in this clip, isn't that a cypress tree/or a juniper shrub if so these are everywhere around my house...

    @ghettocountry8678@ghettocountry86783 жыл бұрын
  • We used to have a big problem with bagworms in Texas. Since the fire ants moved in the only time you'll ever see one is if someone buys a tree from up north. In uncultivated land around Austin, TX the ash junipers are going wild.

    @e.miller8943@e.miller89434 жыл бұрын
    • The land I live on in Texas has a huge diversity of life, I saw the little black caterpillar with its bag and went to look up what it was lol

      @jamesmedina3297@jamesmedina32972 жыл бұрын
  • Here after wondering who a catepillar was inside a pine thing

    @DiamondSG@DiamondSG4 жыл бұрын
  • I just figured out this thing existed because I seen it in my yard and thought I had found a new species

    @bigcoochieboi3751@bigcoochieboi37512 жыл бұрын
  • I knew I dropped my 8th somewhere 😂😂

    @KingDavo215@KingDavo2152 жыл бұрын
  • You can use WHAT?

    @srulison@srulison4 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah, WHAT? Poor video when you can't hear the cure.

      @seeharvester@seeharvester2 жыл бұрын
  • What if you stick two bagworms together

    @1.4142@1.41428 ай бұрын
  • I had that in my mini tree!

    @moimoi1372@moimoi13723 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks

    @aquadesignsbymlt4769@aquadesignsbymlt4769 Жыл бұрын
  • Who is here because of Animal Crossing?

    @rbfloat@rbfloat4 жыл бұрын
    • Am here because Pokémon

      @carbonatedswag4244@carbonatedswag42443 жыл бұрын
  • So this is what inspired Burmy in pokemon and its evolutions

    @Zwizard247@Zwizard2472 жыл бұрын
  • Per my comments already made below, today I found and picked off about another 20 bagwom cocoons. Per my reading the internet it is likely my 6 foot Colorado spruce will die anyway. Very conincidental your story came up today on KZhead for me as yesterday I was looking up bagworms on the YAHOO and not youtube. I just had no idea. The large needle drop on the niside makes it easier to find them as if the spruce had its usual thickness in mid August in Missouri it would have been very difficult to find them all. I am now up to around 50 cocoons found and the spruce only has needles on its tips given the huge inside needle drop. Given the caronovirus pandemic the loss of a Colorado spruce is very minor.

    @larryloveless2967@larryloveless29673 жыл бұрын
    • Your phone tracks what you look up. That and they listen to you via your microphone on the phone. No wonder it showed up on the recommendation feed. Regardless, I am here because there is a horde in my tree outside as well. Easily 30 worms already connected. I am worried! Lol

      @PittsburghSonido@PittsburghSonido3 жыл бұрын
  • animal crossing got me here

    @huvi_boston@huvi_boston4 жыл бұрын
    • Same here!

      @aurora1239@aurora12394 жыл бұрын
    • Việt Việt i got one in amimal crossing too

      @claudia636@claudia6364 жыл бұрын
    • lol yes because when I caught it I did not know what it was, it looks like a pinecone

      @huvi_boston@huvi_boston4 жыл бұрын
  • why are these everywhere in florida. we never had them untill a few years ago. i swear i never seen one the entire time i was growing up. now they cover my home and pots and plants.

    @camilianSLC@camilianSLC4 жыл бұрын
    • This os exactly why I'm here! I live in Florida too and they are everywhere. Trying to find each of them and kill them cuz I don't want my new veggies growing to die because of them 😭 now I know why our palm trees look awful...I found a couple on them.

      @alexistollinchi@alexistollinchi4 жыл бұрын
    • Alexis Tollinchi hey I found some do they look like tiny wasps? Or do I actually have wasps ? Becuse I have wasps and the caccoons everywhere

      @kaden3734@kaden37343 жыл бұрын
  • Holy crap! 2:40 I was joking in my head, "manually." But he actually suggests manually kill 'em all.

    @Terrakinetic@Terrakinetic Жыл бұрын
  • Accelgor & Wormadam

    @TheZacharyMartinShow@TheZacharyMartinShow4 жыл бұрын
  • I have found these cocoons before. Now i know what it is

    @alittlelovin40@alittlelovin402 жыл бұрын
  • YIKES!

    @ksero1000@ksero10004 жыл бұрын
  • How do they place each piece so accurately

    @wildmangeorgesrcchannel6916@wildmangeorgesrcchannel69163 жыл бұрын
    • bagworm-level smarts

      @JakeWitmer@JakeWitmer3 жыл бұрын
    • They learned how in Bagworm School.

      @seeharvester@seeharvester2 жыл бұрын
  • Right, Jodie?

    @LetsChat@LetsChat Жыл бұрын
  • I found some sticks hanging out of my tree and it was a bug called “bagworm”

    @slovan01@slovan013 жыл бұрын
  • What can I use to kill bag worms inside my house

    @brendarose3941@brendarose3941 Жыл бұрын
  • Per my comments already made below, I keep finding new cocoons each morning. Looks like the fertilome Spinosad spaying did not help. It's mid August here in Missouri. Looks like I will be cutting down my 6 foot Colorado spruce soon. It has been ravaged. I do not see any worms so I think it is the female maggots making new cocoons each night.

    @larryloveless2967@larryloveless29673 жыл бұрын
    • Try methods to degum them (the step used to unwind conventional silkworm moth cocoons, such as boiling and then unraveling them) and make a million bucks. Seriously. It might be as easy as boiling them in water. Scientists found that bagworm silk was tougher than silkworm (Mulberry: Bombyx mori; Eri/Castor Bean: Samia ricini) silk. You can read all about it. Also, strength-testing competitive materials gets a lot of KZhead hits.

      @JakeWitmer@JakeWitmer3 жыл бұрын
    • @@JakeWitmer Thanks! The good news is there was lots of new growth this Spring so it has survived. It looks like a shrub again. I am using a Scotts plant food recommended by a nursery as well but the new growth started without. I plan to start Spinosad for prevention in a couple weeks. At least now I have awareness. I thought they were pine cones. Our heat and humidity here I have read is not the best for this type of shrub that is meant more for the mountain states.

      @larryloveless2967@larryloveless29673 жыл бұрын
  • So it's basically a camouflage hermit crab worm type thing?

    @spencerworld3167@spencerworld31672 жыл бұрын
    • its a moth. they just use parts of the tree when constructing the cocoon.

      @terrancat@terrancat Жыл бұрын
  • My tree was half dead i look see why i saw 30 of them over my tree they was moving i used Google search found this i was like cool at first but then they say they can cause the tree to die

    @ThedigitalArtChannel@ThedigitalArtChannel9 ай бұрын
  • They make my skin crawl

    @kennedi1423@kennedi14234 жыл бұрын
    • I can too

      @TheZacharyMartinShow@TheZacharyMartinShow4 жыл бұрын
    • TZMS Adventures wow lmao

      @kennedi1423@kennedi14234 жыл бұрын
    • Yes! I literally freaked out when I saw one on the window at work

      @prettykitty3570@prettykitty35703 жыл бұрын
  • Right Jodie?

    @christophertanner7757@christophertanner77573 жыл бұрын
  • I have some at my house

    @jessicaclapp1659@jessicaclapp16594 жыл бұрын
  • There here in Texas

    @Texo_McKevo@Texo_McKevo Жыл бұрын
  • Woah! Put them down, they can use self-destruct

    @macdonald715@macdonald7153 жыл бұрын
    • Or cut you to pieces with rapid spin 😲

      @danielmillward9947@danielmillward9947 Жыл бұрын
  • Um first off....WOW

    @TheZacharyMartinShow@TheZacharyMartinShow4 жыл бұрын
  • I live in Maryland and these are infesting my Bloodgood Japanese Maple tree.

    @watchensee@watchensee2 жыл бұрын
    • Mine too in North Carolina. This means war.

      @seeharvester@seeharvester2 жыл бұрын
    • @@seeharvester I got a bottle of neem oil that has to be mixed with water, it's supposed to kill caterpillars. I'll be spraying it soon as bagworm moths hatch late May and in early June.

      @watchensee@watchensee2 жыл бұрын
  • The aussie lad from Instagram brought me here

    @bryanfranco9597@bryanfranco9597Ай бұрын
  • They're delicious in a salad

    @lardofarp@lardofarp8 ай бұрын
  • Wow! I just found some today. I don't really care that they are on my shrubs. I think they are pretty interesting.

    @msacer5513@msacer55132 жыл бұрын
    • Pretty soon you will not have any shrubs...how interesting!

      @justinlavoie7337@justinlavoie73379 ай бұрын
    • @@justinlavoie7337 actually, I posted my comment a year ago and the shrubs are fine. I just trimmed them back about two weeks ago. They are some sort of evergreen. Maybe that matters.

      @msacer5513@msacer55139 ай бұрын
  • They destroy arborvitaes. I pull them off by hand, they move around in their cocoon or bags. Totally creepy!

    @janikki1410@janikki14104 жыл бұрын
    • Today, I cut my arborvitae down and burned it. It was 15 years old 😢

      @justinlavoie7337@justinlavoie73379 ай бұрын
  • I was tryna see what this was I got a video of me screaming bc it moved when I touched it with a stick

    @215pHiLlyKiD215@215pHiLlyKiD2152 жыл бұрын
  • What was that insecticide? BT? What's that? They've taken over my Japanese Maple.

    @seeharvester@seeharvester2 жыл бұрын
  • I saw one on a hackberry tree and pulled it off and mashed it into a greasy spot in the dirt. If they would just eat juniper trees I would never kill any of them. Juniper are invading and killing oak and hickory trees throughout the Ozark Mountains and the surrounding area.

    @kenycharles8600@kenycharles86004 жыл бұрын
    • i HATE you!

      @jkopppo223@jkopppo2234 жыл бұрын
    • Whoa. that went south fast.

      @friggerx3150@friggerx31504 жыл бұрын
  • Anyone here from pokemon

    @coolcubeartic6974@coolcubeartic69744 жыл бұрын
  • Wait those are bugs

    @Urmom-fn8si@Urmom-fn8si3 жыл бұрын
  • I had one jump at me didnt even knoe they existed

    @makaylarichardson2799@makaylarichardson27993 жыл бұрын
  • I have tons of bagworm on our house wall but they are camouflage on our wall because our wall doest have color yet

    @v3rtz14@v3rtz143 жыл бұрын
  • What if i want to keep my bag worms i cant find any thing for them

    @brother_grinch8231@brother_grinch82314 жыл бұрын
  • Why are you two talking to each other? You both know this allready! Talk to the camera!

    @WhizzarD44@WhizzarD443 жыл бұрын
  • Looking like some bud 🔥😂

    @spanaboyz6936@spanaboyz69362 жыл бұрын
    • 😂😂😂

      @ekquinn7059@ekquinn7059 Жыл бұрын
  • Willie Collier

    @mandas6451@mandas64513 жыл бұрын
  • It’s a moth

    @MrCool40830@MrCool40830 Жыл бұрын
  • So sad 😥

    @victoriaallen9302@victoriaallen93023 жыл бұрын
  • Yeah i got a bagworm in aimal crossing

    @claudia636@claudia6364 жыл бұрын
  • Sell them for Bells, don't kill them.

    @saramations@saramations4 жыл бұрын
  • Bagworms are not worms insied there callerpillers

    @claudia636@claudia6364 жыл бұрын
    • "Caller" pillers? Who are they calling?

      @seeharvester@seeharvester2 жыл бұрын
  • I got more miles from getting bugs

    @Epic-io1dl@Epic-io1dl3 жыл бұрын
  • I'm not a bug lover at all but.. God this video put things into perspective.. killing living things cause they cause an "unsightly" leaf colour on a tree according to humans. Newsflash, Trees weren't made just for humans.

    @chrisparry8318@chrisparry83184 жыл бұрын
    • Bagworms r not worms they are callerpillers

      @claudia636@claudia6364 жыл бұрын
    • @@theawesomerocket that's nature taking it's course I suppose, when you think about it, trees weren't intended as decor even if they do make areas look pretty

      @chrisparry8318@chrisparry83184 жыл бұрын
    • Trees are made so u can have air an if these guys killing the tree then I say kill them trees are very important

      @ThedigitalArtChannel@ThedigitalArtChannel9 ай бұрын
  • Burmy

    @bluemas5@bluemas54 жыл бұрын
  • I saw a lady that has one as a pet

    @jessicaclapp1659@jessicaclapp16594 жыл бұрын
  • Nasty chemicals..

    @felipenatural787@felipenatural7872 жыл бұрын
    • What ever it takes to kill them, trees and bushes are not cheap.

      @idratherbefishing7753@idratherbefishing77532 жыл бұрын
  • Yes! I caught a bagworm! Guess I'm a bragworm!

    @Dinkolish@Dinkolish4 жыл бұрын
    • That joke makes you a badworm

      @StalwartSpartan298@StalwartSpartan2983 жыл бұрын
    • @@StalwartSpartan298 Or a dadworm.

      @seeharvester@seeharvester2 жыл бұрын
  • Lethal to fruit trees.

    @elizabethwinkelman5536@elizabethwinkelman55364 жыл бұрын
  • I throw the ones I find down the toilet...but I'm also one of those paranoid people who think they will eventually hatch and come swarming out while I pee. I watch too many weird movies

    @alexistollinchi@alexistollinchi4 жыл бұрын
    • You need to watch "The Human Centipede". You'll never leave your house after that.

      @seeharvester@seeharvester2 жыл бұрын
    • Stop peeing and you'll be fine

      @justinlavoie7337@justinlavoie73379 ай бұрын
  • & I came here cause I felt like these are cool

    @lance8027@lance80273 жыл бұрын
    • They are. Here's a white paper: www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-study-of-the-extraordinarily-strong-and-tough-by-Yoshioka-Tsubota/b7f58682b9c02d110e9635f4f82d079b43b2c24c

      @JakeWitmer@JakeWitmer3 жыл бұрын
  • Oh look, it's Burmy, Wormadam, Pineco, and Forretress

    @CaptRiskyBoots@CaptRiskyBoots4 жыл бұрын
  • They messed my tree up, I'm so pissed about these things

    @liquidasylum2362@liquidasylum23624 жыл бұрын
  • Sheldon Cooper presents Fun with flags

    @raunaklanjewar677@raunaklanjewar6774 жыл бұрын
  • I have some as a pets

    @jessicaclapp1659@jessicaclapp16594 жыл бұрын
  • These killed 2 of my shrubs that were 15 yrs old. Really pissed. So this time I’m picking them off & squishing with my fingers. I m getting my revenge.

    @k.sophiacavallo8858@k.sophiacavallo88582 жыл бұрын
  • Could just collect them and move them instead of declaring chemical warfare on the poor little dudes. Spend days crafting such a wicked little house to be gassed to drowned or suffocated

    @pest5373@pest53735 жыл бұрын
    • They are invasive

      @cotykills4943@cotykills49434 жыл бұрын
    • KILL THEM ALL!!!!

      @humdrummed@humdrummed4 жыл бұрын
    • Bet you feel the same way about ants and earwigs.

      @Renville80@Renville804 жыл бұрын
    • hornets, wasp, yellow jackets and black widow spiders too...

      @humdrummed@humdrummed4 жыл бұрын
    • Using natural repellent or put treats to atract more birds could help too :c

      @theleosheart@theleosheart4 жыл бұрын
  • ew

    @ICPadict36@ICPadict364 жыл бұрын
  • Terrible advice. BACILLUS THORENGIS KILLS BUTTERFLIES.

    @jschultz88888@jschultz888883 жыл бұрын
  • Per my comments a;ready made below, I have read the female produces hundreds of eggs. It looks since I like just killed 50 bagworm cocoons on my colorado spruce I have just prevented the releae of thousands of bagworms for next spring. I cannot believe I knew nothing about bagworms. I have just seen their destruction.

    @larryloveless2967@larryloveless29673 жыл бұрын
  • What's animal crossing? Shoutout to Burmy

    @nathancoker4620@nathancoker46203 жыл бұрын
  • here from animal crossing

    @MegaXwillx@MegaXwillx4 жыл бұрын
  • I'm tired of these shits on the sides of my house.

    @mikelowry7730@mikelowry77303 жыл бұрын
  • Throw them into soapy water? How depressing

    @dreamscometrue246@dreamscometrue2464 жыл бұрын
  • I use them as bait sometimes for fishing. I rip a hole in the back end, stick a pen in the front to spook them. They will retreat through the back hole. Their "tail" will stick a out a tiny little bit. Then I pull them out with pliers. You have to grab them immediately as they are fast and their tails are sensitive to touch. If you don't care about possibly injuring them you can just cut it open with scissors.

    @junodisarapong6635@junodisarapong66353 жыл бұрын
  • Bummy

    @italksalot8492@italksalot84922 жыл бұрын
  • They should just be left alone to do what they soposed to do .God sent them here for a reason just like everything else on this earth & us humans are the ones doing the most damage to this earth .That's really bad too we the worst .

    @jackyblue67same10@jackyblue67same103 жыл бұрын
    • No, god didn't put them here. God is a figment of our imaginations. Bagworms evolved to be the way they are, like all other living things, not for any reason, but through a combination of chance and natural selection. But you're right that humans do immense damage to the earth.

      @paulheckbert@paulheckbert3 жыл бұрын
    • @@paulheckbert Humans also add immense value to the earth. The problem is bigoted, stupid, anti-market humans that slow down the process of figuring out optimality.

      @JakeWitmer@JakeWitmer3 жыл бұрын
  • Eww

    @penguinomega5672@penguinomega56724 жыл бұрын
  • I hate these things.

    @bobettebryan6589@bobettebryan65894 жыл бұрын
  • i hate it

    @a_belugawhale6687@a_belugawhale66874 жыл бұрын
    • What

      @jessicaclapp1659@jessicaclapp16594 жыл бұрын
    • Jessica Clapp I don’t like it

      @a_belugawhale6687@a_belugawhale66874 жыл бұрын
    • And they hate you too!

      @lmeza1983@lmeza19833 жыл бұрын
    • Luis Fernando shut up

      @a_belugawhale6687@a_belugawhale66873 жыл бұрын
  • Who’s here from instagram posts lol

    @chuyrodriguez2703@chuyrodriguez27033 жыл бұрын
  • Here after watching TikTok

    @preachffxi@preachffxi4 жыл бұрын
    • TikTok cancer

      @cursedboie479@cursedboie4794 жыл бұрын
  • Here's an idea, don't plant trees as ornaments, that way you don't care if nature pays you a visit in the form of bagworms.

    @maciej.ratajczak@maciej.ratajczak4 жыл бұрын
    • Make $$$ collecting the bags, boiling them, and unraveling them... www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-study-of-the-extraordinarily-strong-and-tough-by-Yoshioka-Tsubota/b7f58682b9c02d110e9635f4f82d079b43b2c24c

      @JakeWitmer@JakeWitmer3 жыл бұрын
    • @@JakeWitmer Thanks for that. Good to know. I try to avoid animal products. Hemp and mycelium are highly under-researched and underused products that have a wide range of applications, including clothing and building material. Silk, be it from silkworms or bagworms, is mainly used for frivolous products like bedding, clothes and upholstery. I wouldn't feel comfortable systematically killing animals for that end.

      @maciej.ratajczak@maciej.ratajczak3 жыл бұрын
    • @@maciej.ratajczak There's an argument to be made that the suffering of insects is lesser than the suffering of mammals. Perhaps it's not correct, or not optimal from a vegan perspective, but I think it would be better to have lots of silk production than lots of mammalian meat and wool production. I am not against wool production, and also not vegan, but I do try to reserve some doubt about this, and try not to denigrate the vegan perspective. (FWIW: The pupae inside the cocoons are eaten in stir-fry, and hence, don't need to be wasted. Also, nearly all silkworms in the wild would be eaten by predators. Having been selected for their silk, the females are flightless, much like the bagworm. Additionally, without the silk, they'd be considered a mulberry pest. As animals, insects are barely more than simple programs in the ecosystem.) I also favor increased use of hemp and mycelium, which can produce amazing products. (There's only a question of how much energy, cost, and effort it takes. Products must always reduce cost, or they direct brains to waste precious human intelligence on the pathway to superintelligence, ceteris paribus.) Last I checked, Eben Bayer's company, ecovative, was replacing styrofoam with baked Pleurotus ostreatus mycelium packaging. I do think it's interesting that carbon and sunlight will likely soon give us a near-zero-impact way to live, if we so choose. (I don't think we will so choose, but I think it's interesting. ...It will certainly be possible to grow all the machines and technology of the future, and to produce optimal cybernetic outcomes. ...Right now, humans are, on the balance, too stupid and malevolent, even to their own kind.)

      @JakeWitmer@JakeWitmer3 жыл бұрын
    • @@JakeWitmer Yes, that suffering argument can be made, but I try to look at all (living) things equally. Good to know the pupae are eaten, like Native Americans with Buffalo. A lot of private interest involved in these matters via lobbying, vetoing, regulating- corrupting. Yes, humanity only has a limited amount of geniuses: we should aim to have them working on the most collectively beneficial ideas. 3D house printing is an exciting technology on the rise. Would you agree that going nuclear (in disaster free zones, of course) is the best energy solution?

      @maciej.ratajczak@maciej.ratajczak3 жыл бұрын
    • @@maciej.ratajczak I'm not especially concerned with the suffering of lower animals, especially in comparison with that of higher animals. I'm human-centric, but, after ameliorating human suffering, would also like to prevent the suffering of cetaceans, primates, and on down, continuing with the rather intelligent octupi and cuttlefish. (Though it would be an unpleasant fate for us to have to battle sociopathic spider or squid-brains after some sort of intelligence explosion.) I have no problem with farming the lower animals, but think it should be done as free from suffering as is profitable and possible. (Reducing human suffering should be the primary concern of such incremental improvements. If the cost of a cut of meat increases by $1 dollar, some human suffering is significantly increased, and not just in the form of 'adding pain' to a price point, since dollars fungibly are spent to reduce human suffering in all areas, including medicine and life-extension.) Yes, either spring-dampened and multiply-redundant-safety-planned small nuclear (likely following Taylor Wilson's small nuclear plant design), or geothermal, is probably optimal. This is especially true given the demands of crypto-mining and transaction processing (even assuming something less energy-consuming than bitcoin is both designed and adopted). Likely small nuclear _and_ geothermal would be optimal, as would an increase in human energy consumption. Geothermal is probably better than nuclear, long-term. In the case of an earthquake, meteor impact, human malfeasance, or other upheaval event, geothermal wouldn't result in ruinous damage to the food supply and surrounding life, nor could it create contaminants likely to be carried into contact with life by ocean or air currents.

      @JakeWitmer@JakeWitmer3 жыл бұрын
  • Am I the only one not here because of Animal Cross...? No? Okay...

    @watermelonlemon5007@watermelonlemon50073 жыл бұрын
  • Leave the Pinecos alone

    @TheGoldenGear42@TheGoldenGear423 жыл бұрын
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