DIY Air to water heatpump first test run

2014 ж. 21 Шіл.
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First bench test for my diy heatpump, in side the blue container ther is 100 liters of water. With the following data i can calculate the COP of the heatpump.
DT = 20 degrees
Mass = 100 liters
C = 4180J
PW = 0,528 kWh of used electricity
Q = M * C * DT = 100 * 4180 * 20 = 8360000 joule
E = 3600000 * 0,528 = 1900800 joule
COP= 4,398
Overall a very impressive test run.

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  • I was working on this system nearby 10 years before, (when i was student in university) but i was living in Iran and nobody care about it in that moment and i was very young to do it by myself. Now, im happy to see this thing...

    @Soorena21@Soorena215 жыл бұрын
  • This video inspired me to build my own so I did and 5 years on still produces our hot water

    @lewisfisher2577@lewisfisher2577 Жыл бұрын
    • How did you calculate what size of heat exchanger is needed to replace the indoor split unit?

      @rodon91@rodon91 Жыл бұрын
    • Hi. Any pics? Regeres jesper

      @DIYBAKER@DIYBAKER10 ай бұрын
  • well done mate. great work, great showing of different values. cheers

    @yuseekme@yuseekme7 жыл бұрын
  • I bought a 15 foot pool this summer and got two of these mats and they make a huge difference. We're only 2 days in and I can noticeably tell the difference!!!

    @sakkiemaree4955@sakkiemaree49559 ай бұрын
  • wow what a great explanation on how it works!

    @jpmorgan187@jpmorgan1876 жыл бұрын
  • I following your thread and have to say I am utterly impressed. Now comes the question. Do you have a parts list somewhere handy? I have renovated and built my own house, and now going to do this.

    @ChristianLaurinE@ChristianLaurinE8 жыл бұрын
  • This is very cool. Is that just an old ac unit? do you have the hot side going directly into that flat plate heat exchanger? Would like to use a DIY heat pump to trickle heat into a thermal store. I have access to year round ground water that is still 10degrees in the middle of winter which I could use, but I'm not sure it would be any more efficient?

    @owainwinfield9053@owainwinfield90532 жыл бұрын
  • Hi Stef, congratulations on your project. I wanted to know if the machine you used is the ON/OFF type or is it with Inverter technology? thank you.

    @servicesottoriva9569@servicesottoriva9569 Жыл бұрын
  • Intresting project you got there, care to explain how the solar panels connection is between the refrigeration unit? Hotgas>waterheater>solarpanels>evap?

    @nikco87@nikco877 жыл бұрын
  • well late in the game Stef....did you put the unit into service? What did you end up with for temps in the condenser and tank? I think you mentioned somewhere that you were planning to use for floor heating?

    @pf_n1ps@pf_n1ps5 жыл бұрын
  • where did you get all these parts from? Looks pretty great!

    @miklee87@miklee874 жыл бұрын
  • Where do you get the parts to build such a system? I have a few ideas I wish to mess around with but have no idea where to get parts or how to build a heat pump.

    @theDemolisher13@theDemolisher133 жыл бұрын
  • Great video!

    @Donimihai@Donimihai4 жыл бұрын
  • Hey. Nice job. Could you please tell us the model number of the heat exchanger you are using?

    @caesareor@caesareor2 жыл бұрын
  • Hi Stef, if i could ask a question - as you simply short solar loop ports and you let the original metering device - capillary tube at its place, do you have some experience with superheat and subcooling values? I se, you have refrigearation manometers, so you probably have some data. Now, i am building similar simple system like you, but i calculated resistance of indoor casette unit and i decided it is not a good way to simply replace indoor air unit by low-drop heat exchanger. I should add some restriction, maybe additional capillary tube. Next, did you consider defrost cycle? Do you have your own control algorithm? Thanks

    @MKBrno@MKBrno6 жыл бұрын
  • What is the name and model of the compressor?is it running straight of the plug?

    @slengoslengaw8510@slengoslengaw85105 жыл бұрын
  • I just did this and it worked!

    @deadshit4263@deadshit426317 күн бұрын
  • Great design, are you using it to heat your home, your hot water or your pool?

    @nielsdaemen@nielsdaemen6 ай бұрын
  • where do you find the ''hoeven'' heat pump air to water exchanger ??

    @yannickbrochu7932@yannickbrochu79326 жыл бұрын
  • @Stef does the outdoor unit just turn on as you plug it in, even without the indoor unit connected? Or is it hacked?

    @marcomikemarco@marcomikemarco Жыл бұрын
  • Is it an Air to Air henter pump conversion? Do you have a schematic drawing of your setup.

    @DIYBAKER@DIYBAKER10 ай бұрын
  • was it a mini split at first? Thanks! Looking to do similar for spa

    @CardBoardBoxPro@CardBoardBoxPro7 ай бұрын
  • hello. I asked for one bit of the compressor. compressor run to a certain temperature range. it stops and error system air pressure is high due to the heat sink fails. eg, the maximum temperature is 60. system only runs on high heat, then the error is always 51.52. whether diehn pressure and telegraph line stability. you help me okay

    @nguyentung6285@nguyentung62859 жыл бұрын
  • the speed of fan is not too slow, or it's the problem of the camera?

    @adamzhang2014@adamzhang20146 жыл бұрын
  • great work :)

    @GiovaniNuovoSud@GiovaniNuovoSud2 жыл бұрын
  • do you still have that machine in your garage? do you still use it ?

    @miklee87@miklee875 жыл бұрын
  • Tell me how to regulate the temperature of the freon flow or water flow from the heat exchanger? Is it possible to somehow influence this?

    @slusajgledajpazi7556@slusajgledajpazi75565 ай бұрын
  • Гарна робота! Теж планую зібрати тепловий насос для басейну. Який фреон використовуєш? Маю зовнішній блок на r410a, а теплообмінник на робочий тиск до 16 bar. Думаю, може заправити його r22?

    @MrCrecker@MrCreckerАй бұрын
  • Use a DC pump to pump the water, they use much less electricity. An AC pump is a good water heater in itself. I wonder how much heat in the water came from the water pump and how much came from the AC unit? I doubt you are seeing much of a temperature difference across the heat exchanger in which you could easily use a smaller pump.

    @tyhuffman5447@tyhuffman54476 жыл бұрын
  • What exactly are you doing?

    @MrFlashman10@MrFlashman104 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks to your inspiration i finally build a working air/water heatpump to heat the floor in my living room :) I had some problems last year with a small on/off unit which was leaking. But this year i bought a 12 year old inverter pump to which i connected a coaxial heatexchanger. It is controlled by an arduino running a PID loop.

    @hollensted@hollensted6 жыл бұрын
    • did you store hot water in a tank or directly circulated the floor loop with the heat exchanger? which is more efficient? to store hot water in tank for later use or directly heating the floor?

      @MrPokharel123@MrPokharel123 Жыл бұрын
    • @@MrPokharel123 You would need a buffer, because the thermostat will turn on/off too frequent. I use a 200 liter tank.

      @hollensted@hollensted Жыл бұрын
    • @@hollensted would the frequent on off have a negative effect?

      @MrPokharel123@MrPokharel123 Жыл бұрын
    • How did you calculate the heat exchanger dimensions?

      @rodon91@rodon91 Жыл бұрын
    • @@rodon91 I didnt. It was salvaged from an old heat pump.

      @hollensted@hollensted Жыл бұрын
  • Respect!

    @christomold3142@christomold31423 жыл бұрын
  • The sucktion coil is to short 3meters i think is the best long distance for r410a to the heat excangero

    @hzaahzaa5784@hzaahzaa57844 жыл бұрын
  • hi Stef! Very cool! what is the water output temperature at the egress of the heat exhanger? I'd love to use this as a replacement / helper to my gas boiler for whole-house heating. Ideally have this running most of the time and only use gas as a "boost". Thanks!

    @garci66@garci662 жыл бұрын
    • For a while house just get a heat pump. AC units are also small heat pumps , enough probably to hear water as well. But for a while house you need lots of calories , so you can directly buy a big unit. The same thing, with all fittings etc

      @kostas8969@kostas8969 Жыл бұрын
    • @@kostas8969 the problem is here a heat pump is probably 10 times the cost of a gas boiler. They are priced utterly ridiculous.

      @garci66@garci66 Жыл бұрын
  • Hi! As I see, you are using an outdoor unit of a split system AC. And you are using a plate heat exchanger as an evaporator. I have a few questions though. Is there an expansion valve, or are you just feeding the liquid directly into the evaporator? What are the readings on pressure gauges? How much pressure is optimal for LP and HP line if the unit is working under full power? Thanks for sharing the knowledge, mate!

    @mafakada@mafakada9 жыл бұрын
    • hello, sorry for the late reaction. This was only a test setup, at this moment the system is integrated in our central heating system. It already have proved it self wen the outdoor temperature was starting to drop and i keep the temperature in side really nice. Before the refrigerant flows in the outside coil it goes tough a capillary tube. On this page you can find more information about this project in English : ecorenovator.org/forum/geothermal-heat-pumps/3746-first-heatpump-project.html stef

      @Svanitterzon@Svanitterzon9 жыл бұрын
  • dear is possible iverter air to air converter air to water use homme water heat thank???thanks best regards

    @mericmeric01200@mericmeric012006 жыл бұрын
  • Would be keep to see a longer test on this sort of system. your high COP is due to A) higher ambient due to running in the day (higher differential between evaporator temp and the ambient air it is scavenging from), and B) the temperature differential between the condensing temp and the water. As the water heats further the COP would drop. R410a in domestic generally maxxes out at around 55-60 degrees condensing, so the warmer the tank water gets the more electrical energy you have to use to get it higher and higher.

    @channelperth@channelperth7 жыл бұрын
    • Having said that, having what looks to be under 400 initial investment makes this still cheaper over the life of the system than buying a system manufactured for the purpose

      @channelperth@channelperth7 жыл бұрын
    • How to go about in sizing the condendensing heat exchanger that replaces the indoor unit?

      @rodon91@rodon91 Жыл бұрын
  • Makes me wonder how hard it would be to build a heat pump water heater with a tank and a cheap mini split system

    @doddgarger6806@doddgarger68064 жыл бұрын
  • Hi stef. I have been thinking about this set Up for for time. I have a couple of quistions .Hope thats ok. How do you control the temperature set point. Is IT a inverter compressor, and are you using the sensors from the indoor unit to control the set point. And if the inverter should run 50% -100%. Did you had some issues regarding error fault since you dont have ude the indoor unit? Anders

    @andersdssing4267@andersdssing42673 жыл бұрын
    • Its a on/off compressor it has no inverter technology. Its an old school outdoor unit.

      @Svanitterzon@Svanitterzon3 жыл бұрын
  • How kW consumes per hour for every liter of water

    @osamaabraheem2797@osamaabraheem27977 жыл бұрын
  • Put the outdoor coils in a small greenhouse.

    @kokopelli314@kokopelli3146 жыл бұрын
  • hi, how much for heat exchanger ?

    @g.f.6728@g.f.67284 жыл бұрын
  • gooood brooo

    @karwan-e-alhamdtravelstour6477@karwan-e-alhamdtravelstour64778 жыл бұрын
  • Hoi, gaaf ding! Heb je ergens een webpagina hoe je hem gebouwd hebt? Er wordt hieronder naar inplix verwezen maar daar kan ik het niet vinden. Dank!

    @Witsenburg@Witsenburg6 жыл бұрын
    • dankjewel, die inplix is allemaal spam... hier kan je wat info vinden: svitterzon.nl/?page_id=63

      @Svanitterzon@Svanitterzon6 жыл бұрын
  • Hello, Im very impressed with this. I had been looking at using a fridge coil to heat some water then a heat pumo to raise its temp. Then i came across this. Do you have a link to an actualy explination and the full project parts.Thank you

    @darlingraymond@darlingraymond8 жыл бұрын
    • +Raymond Darling here is a link to my build tread on the ecorenovator forum. ecorenovator.org/forum/geothermal-heat-pumps/3746-first-heatpump-project.html

      @Svanitterzon@Svanitterzon8 жыл бұрын
    • thank you kindly. I will have a look at that.

      @darlingraymond@darlingraymond8 жыл бұрын
    • hi Raymend, we sell heat pump. send me your email and i send you our e-cataloge

      @alexchan5593@alexchan55934 жыл бұрын
  • Hi there.can you please tell me the model of the heat exchanger.and how many kw of heating power it has .tnx and how efficient is the DAIKIN unit.have you finished testing

    @gokins981@gokins9818 жыл бұрын
    • +Goran Vasilevski www.ebay.de/itm/Plattenwarmetauscher-Split-Klima-Heizung-Pool-45-bar-R410A-R407-Bordel-12000-BTU-/360661925244?hash=item53f9203d7c this one i am using. I never finished the daikin project sadly. I bought my self a KS50 heatpump.

      @Svanitterzon@Svanitterzon8 жыл бұрын
    • @@Svanitterzon hello Stef, I am working on the same project for à low température floor heater. The eBay link is not working anymore, coud you please give us the heatexchanger model or size ? Thanks in advance.

      @dudu4027@dudu40272 жыл бұрын
  • U should close the condenser covers for better efficiency

    @user-fv3wf2kg8n@user-fv3wf2kg8n2 жыл бұрын
  • The plate heat exchanger works ok with freon?

    @Tsagami@Tsagami7 жыл бұрын
    • Yes this exchanger is made for working with freon. it also have two flare connections on it and two 3/4 inch treads just for the water connections.

      @Svanitterzon@Svanitterzon7 жыл бұрын
    • Stef van Itterzon hai . I'm want WhatsApp number ? I'm form Malaysia

      @SHARMMEEN98@SHARMMEEN987 жыл бұрын
  • Wich gaz do you use ? R134A ?

    @scrupulous0203@scrupulous02039 жыл бұрын
    • System uses r410a

      @Svanitterzon@Svanitterzon9 жыл бұрын
  • How do you calculate how much R134a you need in the system?

    @tanjiannan@tanjiannan5 жыл бұрын
    • They come precharged. It's also written on the unit itself...

      @jameskarrie298@jameskarrie298 Жыл бұрын
  • COP changes with temperature difference. As the temperature of the water increases, your COP drops.

    @jameskarrie298@jameskarrie298 Жыл бұрын
  • It would’ve been good if you had of mentioned what your tutorial was about I understand it’s making Eva water out of air for cooling water out of air???????????????

    @gordondunn3694@gordondunn36944 жыл бұрын
  • Your efficiency will probably be a bit better if you put the hood back onto the ac outdoor unit. Then the air that the fan sucks in wil actually be the air that flows through the condenser and not around the fan itself.

    @brinkshows2720@brinkshows27204 жыл бұрын
    • The condenser should be the evaporator to heat water. You want to absorb heat from the atmosphere and deposit it in the water. You don't understand the concept.

      @solexxx8588@solexxx8588 Жыл бұрын
    • @@solexxx8588 You want the air in the atmosphere to contact the fins on the condenser in order for the heat to transfer to the refrigerant...

      @jameskarrie298@jameskarrie298 Жыл бұрын
    • @@jameskarrie298 The outdoor unit is the evaporator in heating mode. The hot compressor discharge vapour to water brazed plate exchanger is the condenser.

      @solexxx8588@solexxx85884 ай бұрын
  • it work a lot better with the cover on the outdoor

    @bazmurf@bazmurf8 жыл бұрын
    • What do you mean by that?

      @filipmisevski676@filipmisevski6763 жыл бұрын
    • @@filipmisevski676 without cover the fan isnt as effective because it draws air from around (e.g. the open top) instead of sucking it through the exchanger.

      @glintwing@glintwing3 жыл бұрын
  • Where does that energy go to? I mean, I know it's lost as heat but is the heat produced where flow gets restricted?

    @NutsandGuts@NutsandGuts8 жыл бұрын
    • +NutsandGuts In a heat pump like this, the compressor compresses the refrigerant which gets hot due to higher pressure (simplified explanation). This is where the heat is removed. In this case, in the heat exchanger.

      @wiredforstereo@wiredforstereo8 жыл бұрын
    • +Solomon Parker I know that, what I mean is; what happens to all the electricity you put in to the compressor?

      @NutsandGuts@NutsandGuts8 жыл бұрын
    • +NutsandGuts Electricity isn't a thing that you can put one place or the other, like say gasoline. Electricity is simply the flow of electrons. Every electrical device needs two wires, essentially an in and an out. The electrons flow in and out. The work is done by what they do in the middle. In this case, the flow of electrons causes magnetism which is used to turn a motor which turns the compressor. The energy transferred by the movement of electrons is converted into motion (the compressor) which moves a phase change substance (the refrigerant). The refrigerant moves heat from outside the water to inside the water, which is how a heat pump can be thought of to be more than 100% efficient. In a normal electric water heater, a heating element resists the flow of electrons generating heat, so 100% of the energy delivered by the electricity generates 100% heat. In a heat pump, 100% of energy delivered by the electricity to the pump delivers 200%+ energy into the tank. Am I being clear enough? I'm happy to answer any questions.

      @wiredforstereo@wiredforstereo8 жыл бұрын
    • @@NutsandGuts heat pumps essentially just move heat from one place to another by compressing, condensing, and evaporating the working fluid/refrigerant. Alot of the electricity consumed ends up in the water (but does it much more effeciently than a resistance heater, around 3x so give or take). The rest of the power goes to condensing water vapor from the air on the evaporator side, some gets dissipated as heat and noise from the compressors, pump, and fan.

      @mbburry4759@mbburry47594 жыл бұрын
  • Great, Great video. I would like to contact you. Thanks for your job.

    @37no37@37no376 жыл бұрын
  • should place cover on the unit

    @user-boxsom@user-boxsom6 жыл бұрын
  • what is the max temperature for heating water ? ( max temperature of water ) . Thank you :D what happend if i paint extern radiator in black and i place it in the sun ? the temperature for heating up ? o_O

    @sunrise6091@sunrise60919 жыл бұрын
    • 55 C

      @HeliModTRC@HeliModTRC4 жыл бұрын
  • Must be hard to get an efficiency to match the commercial units, and given the cost of electricity, isn't buying a professionally made unit going to be cheaper in the long run?

    @PVflying@PVflying8 жыл бұрын
    • maybe if you don't understand don't comment

      @frankfarta8502@frankfarta85027 жыл бұрын
    • It seems like a legitimate question. Perhaps if you don't understand it, don't make a rude reply

      @channelperth@channelperth7 жыл бұрын
    • maybe if your not a Refrigeration Engineer then shut the fuck up ! because i am

      @frankfarta8502@frankfarta85027 жыл бұрын
    • I'd be mad too if my last name was fart.

      @Thimbles2@Thimbles27 жыл бұрын
    • They say you canèt fix stupid. Your proof of that.

      @frankfarta8502@frankfarta85026 жыл бұрын
  • it seems like near 700 watts in straight heat would do the same.

    @joepontiac4868@joepontiac4868 Жыл бұрын
  • hell dig a hole in the base ment and keep on digger put in a liner and use it add heat to your home.

    @josephdupont@josephdupont3 жыл бұрын
  • How odd. Someone said this was the best explanation they'd seen. No explanation was given. The camera moved too quickly from object to object to be useful. The ambient temperature was not shown. I could show you my car running but that would not explain how it works. And as someone pointed out an AC pump could be doing all the heating for all we know. Don't get me wrong as a video showing what someone had put together from various unspecified parts it's perfect.

    @juncusbufonius@juncusbufonius5 жыл бұрын
  • If a swimming pool is in the yard and solar panels on the roof you can heat the pool and cool the house at the same time for Free

    @portagepete1@portagepete18 жыл бұрын
  • you are heating the water while using your AC unit to cool the air? that's what this experiment is about?

    @breakthru3000@breakthru30004 жыл бұрын
    • That is what a heatpump should do yeah. What about it?

      @brinkshows2720@brinkshows27204 жыл бұрын
  • 😂👍🏻

    @christianmollenhauer8741@christianmollenhauer87418 жыл бұрын
  • this means you used 0.528 kwh electricity to make 100 liter of water 20 degrees hotter ?

    @scattkiwiman@scattkiwiman2 жыл бұрын
    • Yes

      @Svanitterzon@Svanitterzon2 жыл бұрын
    • Where do you get 100l? It looks like 240L ton which might be 1/5 filled (difficult to see, just my view) so 50L and while regular heating with 700 watt would take 1,5 hours a COP from 3 looks still good for this setup

      @stephank9035@stephank90358 ай бұрын
  • Can I use r22

    @osamaabraheem2797@osamaabraheem27977 жыл бұрын
    • Not without significant effort bc the mini split is all electronic and pressure programming variables based on 410a

      @doddgarger6806@doddgarger68064 жыл бұрын
  • Lovely video, any idea what you just showed us ? It appeared to be a running system of some sort. That appeared to be water temperature and some electricity. It also looked like a nice day. There also appeared to be a small water leak.Do you know how or have the ability to speak ? That would probably have helped people maybe understand what I'm the world you were doing.I'm an HVAC tech and have been one for 29 years, i could MAYBE guess what you are doing. If you can't speak any known language then maybe write it down and show that to the viewers.Again, lovely pictures of a machine in a yard.Think about what you want people to learn or observe from your videos.

    @imonlyhalfnutsreally2113@imonlyhalfnutsreally21136 жыл бұрын
    • I'm not a HVAC engineer, and I can tell that this is a test of an air source heat pump made from an old air conditioner. Its COP is pretty good, so its clearly a successful test. Not sure why you are having trouble understanding it tbh

      @davidball1924@davidball19246 жыл бұрын
    • @@davidball1924 you know more than me, but unless he specifically made this video for you, then I agree with Imonlyhalfnuts really - this doesn't help near the number of people if he had just added some basic narration of what the hell he just did...

      @TheJakeRobinson@TheJakeRobinson4 жыл бұрын
    • @@TheJakeRobinson my comment was really aimed at the self proclaimed 29 year experienced HVAC engineer. I agree, some narration would undeed help those that can't work out what they are looking at

      @davidball1924@davidball19244 жыл бұрын
  • With Avasva plans doing something like that was easy.

    @nannettebattista6224@nannettebattista62245 жыл бұрын
  • ??????

    @Okneili1@Okneili15 жыл бұрын
  • This video is kinda old now. Has anyone improved on this or anything? I have always thought it was stupid that we pay $$$ to air condition our house WHILE THROWINGaway that HEAT to the OUTDOORS while PAYING again to HEAT WATER to wash with! That heat could be used to heat a pool, or preheat water for washing with

    @wardp.9832@wardp.98323 жыл бұрын
  • So with the ration of 4 to 1 if you have some sort of engine to generate electricity using a cold and a hot source which is say only 50% efficient you should get free energy with this device.

    @car9167@car91673 жыл бұрын
  • How about a follow-up video or voiceover on this one to explain what the heck I'm looking at? I think I do but then the math is beyond me... a layman's explanation would make your video relevant... right now you're only preaching to the choir... What are the benefits, how hard would it be to integrate to an existing system? and many other questions I bet many other people are thinking... don't leave us hanging...

    @TheJakeRobinson@TheJakeRobinson4 жыл бұрын
  • Instructions from the Avasva site are perfect for beginners.

    @shantellamend8986@shantellamend89865 жыл бұрын
  • &5

    @DeanJuvenal@DeanJuvenal2 жыл бұрын
  • Speak up DUDE!, are you a deaf mute? Explain yourself!

    @tedrox77@tedrox777 жыл бұрын
    • AL the info about my project can you find on ecorenovator.org/forum/geothermal-heat-pumps/3746-first-heatpump-project.html

      @Svanitterzon@Svanitterzon7 жыл бұрын
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