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The game of Basketball has been my passion since I was 5 years old. I grew up as a kid watching my dad's recorded VHS tapes of playoff games through the 70s and 80s, and collected all the Basketball cards. Something about the game and what it represents just hooked me from a very young age.
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TIMESTAMPS BELOW: A massive compilation of my videos where we’re appreciating the greats, including BRAND NEW content. Who is an NBA great who doesn’t get enough attention?? Just an FYI, the next video to be posted is “The Ultimate Suns Team”. That series is coming to a close soon, so stay tuned for that compilation as well! 0:17 The Truth About Wilt and Bill’s “Small” Competition 6:59 Stop Disrespecting Shaq 23:50 The REAL Father of Father Time 31:44 The Greatest Perimeter Defender? 39:27 Every Dynasty’s Most Underrated Player 50:39 The Secretary of Defense (BRAND NEW) 52:57 Players Who Belong in the Conversation 01:02:41 Some of Most Underrated Players in NBA History (UPDATED) 01:13:16 The Clutch Laker, and Why NO ONE Talks About Him 01:21:49 OLD Shooters Who Would THRIVE in the Modern NBA (UPDATED) 01:30:49 They Were in the Debate… 01:38:47 How Pau Gasol Saved the Lakers 01:48:46 The Strength of the West in the 80s 01:57:45 Bill Russell’s TRUE Resume 02:04:26 Should we Recognize ABA Legends? 02:12:01 They Called Him THE TRUTH 02:19:05 Why the Plumbers Critique is Absurd 02:27:53 The Maurice Stokes Story 02:38:03 The 60s Legends They Don’t Talk About 02:45:41 My NEW Pick as the Most UNDERRATED Player in NBA History 02:52:36 Did Wilt Really Score 100?
Jonny have considered doing a segment on the great Red Aerobach? He had so much positive impact on the league. Beyond the Celtics even. The way he utilized the 6th man. Getting tossed from games to fire his squad up. Being the first to put 5 black players on the floor in Boston. He saw the greatness in Russell's defense and how it could trigger a Dynasty using fast break basketball. Red is the Patron Saint of the NBA. He even gave Kermit Washington a chance when he was a pariah. Bill Walton as well. The more you look at Red the more of a giant he was. Who was the first to hire a black coach in any major team sport ?
Why do you use an AI to narrate all your vids? Don't lie.
You know what part you got wrong? Bill Russel was 6'9 and if you look at the other box scores during that era, the guys Wilt played against, that got the most minutes at center, were around 6'6-6'9. So get your facts straight.
Oh and this era is just as weak as Wilts era. No defense.
Split up your content. It’s really good but too long
A basketball fan of respecting the greats and not shiting on them to push their favorite player in some imaginary debate, that means nothing? No way 😂
Insert Drake Lil Yachty meme here
In the midst of this whole “we done with the 90’s” schtick, it’s great to see that there are still people who respect some of the under-appreciated legends of the game. Thank you Jonny.
It’s not even just about the under-appreciated legends either, I think a basketball fan should reasonable be able to enjoy watching anybody who is great at basketball. I mean it’s not fun when they got off vs your favorite team but the rest of the time I think it’s just fun to watch mfs like Jokic or curry hoop.
hes an la fan. kobe fan. but putting shaq on 5 is not far from accurate
we done with disrespecting the 90’s 🗣️🔥
Nah, we're done disrespecting past eras of basketball
@@ikedatike2533young buck
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They’re midd
Noone does that 😂. The 60s are the most disrespected
IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO PUT SOME RESPECT ON THE LEGENDS OF THE GAME .. THEY PAVED THE WAY FOR EVERYBODY THAT CAME AFTER ..
Who you shouting at
Jonny's vids are my ASMR, passive learning through osmosis 🧠
I love your content man! I never flat out disrespected the old guys, but i never respected them like I do now. I appreciate you bringing a fresh perspective to the old greats, and even comparing them to the new!
I appreciate it man! It seems like a lot of people like you, who just truly love basketball tune in, and that makes me happy. Hope you have an awesome day
I totally agree with u . Jonny is one of the rare ppl who has a unbiased POV totally unaffected by the media narratives . I truly , honestly appreciate that , pls keep this wonderful work up , I'm sure it takes a lot of effort to make such videos !!! 😊
@jonnyarnett I love ur channel I've been watching the NBA since 07-08 Season but the only season I remember right off hand was 09-10 I think I was like 3 or 4 when I started watching the nba and I'm nearly 19 now
I always love the way you do your compilation vids. Its not just a mashup but you actually update them visually. One of the few channels where I'll happily watch the compilation vids every time 👌🏿
exactly, he puts more effort into his comps than any other KZheadr I've ever seen. so good
A video like this is MUCH needed in todays basketball community. The amount of kids trashing past eras today literally makes me sick. I respect todays era for what it is... and I also respect the past eras for what they were. Why can't the basketball community act like the football community does and respect the greats of the past? Young basketball fans are a different breed for sure. Mad disrespectful.
Older fans have also shitted on the modern era a lot as well. Younger fans are mainly retaliating and defending the modern era. But you're right, they shouldn't disrespect the previous generations
@BBallGOAT younger fans started it because they don't know basketball history and disrespect the players that came before them. It's mainly the media fault with its lack of education of past Eras
@@sideshowbobsaget8876older fans started this you are lying
@@aswanwilliam younger fans as they try to uplift their favorite over past players. Kobe, LeBron, Harden fans, etc. Older fans tried to educate fans of past rules and how the game has been made easier. That's not hate.
@@aswanwilliam the same stuff LeBron fans try to push about Jordan Kobe fans were using the same stuff when KZhead began. Literally the same false narratives. Now it's just on Twitter and tik tok
Jerry west is underrated too, he has done a lot for the game... Playing, gm...
As someone who appreciates history in general not just basketball history, thanks for always respecting the greats abd teaching me new information. As a Gen Z fan, I appreciate your channel.
Maddaogs argument was actually pretty valid
Facts Shaq ain’t play nobody in the finals
Love to see it, and appreciate the shout out to Bobby Jones in the newest video on here, underrated AF
I think I've found the channel for me. No LeBron and MJ stans constantly attacking the other player. Respect to all the legends of the game. Thanks Jonny, you make great content
I appreciate it man! Glad to have you on board 👍
@@jonnyarnett Thanks
Love it appreciating greatness no matter the era or style of play !
I’ve been watching you since late 2018 nobody makes basketball content like you bro keep it up💯
Just clicked on this and I know it’s gonna be so refreshing in comparison to the bullshit we get on social media and the who’s better
The biggest part you guys all leave out when you talk about OLD basketball is there was NO 3 point line no 3 point shot the WHOLE game revolved around the center so of course Wilt was going to have that many points! The game was played completely different in Shaq's time!
Wilt the GOAT Chamberlain probably averaged a quintuple-double for multiple seasons. He also probably averaged a quadruple-double for just less than a decade...or maybe not. We'll see soon enough.
he scored 70+ points more than everybody on the 70+ list!!!!!!! wilt said on the 100 point game that he could have scored 140!!!!!!!!
@@drewali7 he can say whatever he wants, zero chance he would have been able to put up another 40 points
A video we needed to see how great every part of the NBA is. keep up the great production
Keep it up. I always fall asleep to these huge compilation videos 😂
😅I actually fell asleep to this one, woke up to it stopped during a commercial break an restarted it from a few minutes in. Not a bad thing at all to me, I really like this dudes content. The fact I can fall asleep to it just tells me how comfortable I am with his voice. To me it means I like him. Back in the 90's I use to put VHS tapes of Sonics games in my VHS player just to hear Kevin Calabro's voice calling the game. I could always fall asleep easily to his voice an not because he bored me but rather that he comforted me.
Video idea: can you do a top 10 or 5 best retirement classes if they were actually teams? Like 2016 retirement class would have Kg, Kobe and tim duncan and the 2019 class would have dirk, dwade and tony parker
Thank you for this vid Jonny, you're truly one of the best basketball YTers out there. I'm tired of NBA fans(both young and old) hating on legends and specific eras just to boost their agendas and it's great to see reasonable like you actually evaluate players through an unbiased lense and not try to tear down specific players/eras all the damn time. And as a younger fan, you've helped me learn more about the history of the league, keep up the good work my guy💪🏽
This is refreshing
I absolutely love these videos!!!! Thank you... I love this game!🏀
Love these videos just 3 hours of straight hoops talk
I'd expect a young person to say Embid is better than Shaq because they didn't see Shaq play in his prime, but Bill Simmons should know better. Nobody since has dominated their position like Shaq, there was no counter for him. No disrespect to Embid, who is amazing BTW.
Shaq was really something, unstoppable 100% The term hack a Shaq became widely known because of him an his troubles at the free throw line.
I can’t believe KZhead’s algorithm led me to your Chanel excellent insight and commentary, I’m actually old enough to have witness all these eras and appreciate the work that you have done
The reason Wilt average 50s is not because his opponent are small but because of his stamina ..he literally played the whole season in 1962 averaging 48 minutes per game
Wilt stayed in games that were 20 point blowouts, he was a stat padder
Always with the FACTS 👍 Thank you
I appreciate these videos so much. I was born in 2000 and only started following basketball in my teens. These videos give so much perspective.
You forgot wilt played when there was no 3 pt line so teams kept passing it to the center. Also the nba wasn’t full of players from the streets
The 50 points per game qverage is souch more impressive knowing he did it without threes
Somehow, this man only has like 180K subs. Deserves to have like 6-7 Million by now. This man is actually being slept on
Holy crow, i love the sidney moncrief love. You are the best buddy 👍 no one knows about him and they should
I've been watching your videos on KZhead and 90 out of 100% you have been accurately right, so in my book you know what you're talking about, is my favorite player is the goat MJ.
Great video and thanks for reminding us about how great Kareem was especially in the 85 Finals vs Boston. Also Kareem was voted the 1980 FMVP AFTER Magic's great game 6 but because Kareem was not present ( back in LA nursing his ankle) the voters were asked to change their votes so Magic would win the award. This is all covered in the book "Kareem" pages 140-141.
Bobby Jones underrated
Happy Sunday afternoon!!
This is the most realistic nba chanel..... Nice job Jonny !!!
Wow I followed basketball all my life and I never knew about Maurice Stokes it torn my heart to hear his story and for Mr T for helping him doing a time that racism was so strong doing that time and bless the man Mr K for having all them charities games for Mr Stokes
30th viewer! Wooo!! 😂 Great videos Jonny
Lets go early gang!! 🔥😂
IceMan Gervin-“One thing I could do was‘finger roll’.”
Imagine if wilt replaced ray Felix on the 62' Lakers
Or wilt for Bevo Normann from Cincinnati. Imagine a wilt/Robertson team would give the Celtics a challenge
Wilt, Wayne embry, Jack twyman, Adrian smith, Oscar Robertson Or, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, hot rod Huntley, Rudy La Russo, Wilt
@jonny Arnett this is what makes your channel significantly better than the other bias channels that only talk about 2-3 players
Wilt Chamberlian has a 22 foot long jump.. bench press 500 pounds easily. He will dominate any NBA era, period.
Thank you for going in depth on Nick Van Exel. One of the most exciting lakers of all time. Jay Z didn't want his handle for nothing.. These youngsters just don't know. Van Exel's clutchness and high and wide crossover with swagger, was AI 3 years before AI was even in the league.
Yep, as a Sonics fan I didn't like that guy, he torched my Sonics a bunch of times including in the 95 playoffs. Dude was real good. Nick The Quick they called him back then, I got to see him live in the Tacoma Dome when Seattle was playing there when their stadium was being redone in the 94/95 season. I don't hardly remember the game I just know I was there to see, an I remember him being a Sonics killer.
I loved 80's and 90's basketball. Great rivalries, physical play and terrific players.
~ Glad a reputable source showed Jack Sikma, and Laimbeer as stretch bigs. I’ve been a long time fan of the game, since a kid in the 70’s. Also, coming from a Basketball city, where hoops was in your “blood”… I have always loved the game and guys that could shoot. I can remember Sikma won a championship with Sonics and a was a vital member of the 80’s Bucks coached by Don Nelson. Looking back, Isiah and Bill on the high screen and rolls and Sikma spotting up in the corners and on the wings. They were precursors to the modern game. I remember how unique it was because other bigs didn’t play like them. Couldn’t shoot the 3!
U always talking on the ol skool 😂i love it 💯💪 love your channel bro 💯💪🐐 u keep things in context 💪💯
kids do not know that this is probably the greatest concentration of centers of any era.
Goat man
I saw most of the 90's greats live in Seattle which had Kemp & Payton. The one that impressed me the most in person was Hakeem, it was striking to see a 7 foot tall player move the way he did. It was like he was 6 foot tall, he was so quick it didn't seem possible a person that big should be able to move like that. But I saw it with my own eyes multiple times. I only saw Shaq once during his third year. He was awesome obviously but Hakeem made me go "wow". I love these long videos for multiple reasons, one is they help me fall asleep at night. Not because they're not entertaining but rather because they're comforting.
No brother… …he’s saying Joel is the greatest scoring center since Kareem because he’s shooting 89% from the line. That’s incredibly valid.
This is amazing, keep it up j. We live and die on the same hill. We respect every generation.
time for people my age to learn some ball. kids at school get on my nerves saying jordan had no bag
Yikes, I wouldn't like hearing that either, that couldn't be further from the truth. MJ was great on both sides of the ball, best scorer an defender for multiple years an in an era where defense was really tough...... Loved that guy even as a Sonics fan, very fortunate to be in the building twice when he came to Seattle in the 95/96 season. I don't hardly remember either game I'm mostly just grateful I was in the building while he was there playing. Sonics won both games that year, they were really good as well. Shortly after that we lost Kemp, that hurt so bad. Honestly still does to this day.....
That makes me sick , knowing and seeing how great Jordan was and what he’s done for the game., his dominance , undefeated finals record with no game 7s is so under rated … these kids will eventually grow up and realize how wrong they were . They just need maturing . These kids claim Mj had no bag ???! But they think Lebrons the goat and has a bag ??! Insane .
I mean compared to modern players he doesn't. Sure he did for the 90s though
@@ajfraser8337 there ya go kid , lacking context and assuming 90s players have no bag . When the rules wouldn’t allow for players to “dribble” and “travel” like today’s soft ass players do . That’s not more skilled. Different rules , different game . Completely different game . But 90s was more aggressive , more gritty , and players had more heart than these boys these days . I don’t think you know what the definition of skill is with that lazy comment .
Well, to be honest, moses had the Celtics Lakers 76ers etc in the way... Nobody from 00-02 compares.... So the ring convo doesn't make much sense... Shaq took advantage of the weakest era of big men....
I'm here for Bobby Jones. I never get tired of talking about the most underrated player of AllTime.
Dennis Johnson should've been top 75.
Back In The 80s & 90's Real Basketball Teams We're Made. There Was A Tremendous Amount Of Talent That Emerged. But That's Hat's Off To The Players & Teams Who Overcame & Almost Over Came Adversity Including Injuries To Key Positions. The Positive Team Initiative Kept Basketball Real. It's Got To Be Real!!!!
The thing about Isaiah and other guards in his era, had way way sicker handles than they get “props” for. Because the Kyrie//AI handle is illegal and called strictly when those guys played. So Isaiah breaking clowns ankles regularly is just stupid amazing with what was considered palming, carrying, double dribble. Not to mention that the “Euro-Step” was a disgusting travel that looked super ugly and was only done by players at YMCA’s when the defense actually forced them to travel.
I kinda disagree with your take on Moses Malone. Some of my points: - All-NBA Third Team wasn’t a thing until 1988. Shaq had 4 of them. - Moses faced more HoF and All-NBA centers than Shaq throughout his career. Heck, you have Jamal Magloire, Big Z, and Brad Miller as all-star centers in Shaq’s time. That’s how bad that era was for centers in general. - 3 MVPs are 3 MVPs, and I value MVPs more than FMVPs. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t mind if you put Shaq over Moses, but explaining it like Mad Dog had a bad take is outrageous to me.
I get all of this but the man played 119 NFL games over 9 seasons. He's in the top .25% of humans. Made $40 million.
Years ago Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain did an interview with Ahmad Rashad I think. Anyways they where asked how they would do into today's game which was the 90s then. Wilt was wilt and was doing some s### talking but in good fun. There was no bashing the new era players. In fact Wilt said every player should give a cut of their salary to Jordan because they all owed Mike for salaries being what they became. Back then people respected people. Today respect isa word very little know the meaning of.
What if we got to see a prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Oscar Robinson and Sidney Moncrief ? How many championships do they win
Underrated/overlooked/mislabeled: Isaiah Thomas Kevin McHale-“Welcome to the ‘torture chamber’ most hated by a young Mike Jones watching him annihilate my Bulls team. T-MAC Tracy McGrady Dwight Howard (for like 5 seasons was the most dominant player in the league Since Shaq, but stayed the size of Orlando 1994 O’Neal Alex English Calvin Natt Bernard King Moses Antonio McNugget (McDyess) Mitch Ritchmond Chris Webber Human Highlight Reel (Nique) Adrian Dantley Mark Auguire The Skywalker Thompson “go up leave the dollar and take the change off the top of the backboard.” Mark Price Kiki Vandeweigh Alonzo Mourning Nick the Quick-Cincinnati alum-with Eddie Jones and 3 seven footers Lakers were a blast to watch! Abdur-Rahim (Shareef) LIGHTNING Rod Strickland Glenn Big Dog Robinson Barkley -no Ring downgrades him way too low. Penny & Grant Hill --(Tmac& YaoMing also) but I think both would be top 50 easily were it not for injuries (likely these two also. Yao was 7-6 and skilled as fu+%. And T-Mac well if I have to describe him you’re likely born 1998 or later.
If Ralph Sampson had of been blessed with good health the Lakers wouldn't have made it out of the west all those 8 years
Laimbeer was very skilled, he could shoot , could rebound, hustle, very high iq, could pass... It's unfortunate that he only gets remembered for the enforcer role
He was a sh**head, that's why he's remembered as one. Dude was dirty.
I'm not starting a debate. I'm asking an honest question of Lebron fans. I do not like Lebron or his game. Tell me what years of Lebrons career I can watch where he's the goat you guys say he is. I want to see for myself. Because flopping, no defense and team blaming Lebron doesn't deserve my basketball respect. I just want to see what you guys see with my own eyes because what you say about him and what he is are not the same thing.
💯 a lot of people who think lebron is the 🐐 are just nba causal who just started watching the game it pisses me off cause they love to praise lebron but also love to hate on other eras to give lebron a slide edge even though this Era is not as tough as the 90s or 2000s
You don’t like him so nothing can be said to convince of the truth. The hate for him is weird
Sometimes I’m surprised people like him. I mean the guy absolutely brings the hate on himself. stacking the cards in his favour with built LeGM super teams, plays in an era of spacing that allows easy open lanes at the basket while he shoots 37% 3 feet away from the basket. uncalled travelling and offensive fouls galore, recent years poor defence, load managing, quit on his team multiple times when things got hard, makes excuses, flopping, whining . Holy hell I could go on. And that’s not even counting his off court stuff with steroid allegations, faking a hate crime, blm, supports China during HK protests. I just don’t see the appeal.
rasheed wallace doesn’t get talked about enough. he was easily the 3rd best power forward behind kg and duncan during his era and was one of the best stretch bigs in the league. he’d be incredible in todays nba. move him to center and you’ve got a perennial all star
16:14 I think Simmons was clearly projecting where Embid would stand if he continued playing at that level. I think you're pushing what he said a bit he also says #12 all-time in the same breath.
Long compilations like this are usually just his previous videos all crunched together... Is that what this is? Because if so ive definitely already seen all of them lol
Check the timestamps in the pinned comment. There is ALWAYS something new, and I make sure to put it in ALL CAPS for viewers like you, who just want to watch the new section and bounce. It’s the part about Bobby Jones.
Dr. J is the greatest small forward of all-time
Nope!!!! Larry Bird!!!!! Larry showed dr. j. like many others that they were a " okay " player.
Gotta go with Bird myself. The Doctor was great though for sure...... Bird was next level top of the all time food chain, to me anyway.
Shaq is just that dude. Shaq is the only player that can put his team in the double bonus free throws. Teams had to use 3-4 guys a game just to guard Shaq. The dude is just that dominate. Also Shaq was the reason why the NBA allow zone defense.
Wouldn’t Wilt’s godly strength be his big advantage? Wasn’t there lore around him benching 500+ lbs? A guy that athletic with actual strength and power would be truly unstoppable.
I had to check my plumber the other day. He was working under the kitchen sink and then just started dropping quadruple doubles everywhere.
Mchale doesn’t have an 8ft wingspan lol, look at Wemby, that’s an actual 8ft wingspan 😂😂😂
Bro, they both got em… go look up photos of McHale online. Wemby looks proportionate to his height. McHale looks GOOFY 😂
In the Era where the "big man" is becoming more and more obsolete compared to previous era's, the league had shorter players in the earlier era's in which a big man was crucial to a team's success? WOW!! That makes as much sense as someone claiming Lebron to be better than MJ.
Shaquille O'Neal and Michael Jordan have a lot in common
Studies have already shown if the 3 pt line existed during Pistol Pete’s years in college at LSU, he would’ve averaged 54 ppg. He took a lot of shots from that range simply because he could
Fun fact my uncles buddy was a caretaker for a mentally challenged dude who had no family and left him his card collection he gave them to me being a basketball guy and both of those kobe and vince cards were in that collection i have aswell as one of those rookie lebron jersey slice cards with eric snow i beleive aswell.
I absolutely love your channel bro, but ain't no way in hell you think Iggy actually deserved that Fmvp over Steph 💀
I hope you still plan on continuing your ultimate all time team rosters
Yep, Suns drop tomorrow
These so called experts don't watch games. You can't go off stats and highlights. You need to watch them play. Shaq was so unstoppable for 10 years. He was one of the few players who changed the game during his dominance. Only few athletes not just basketball can do that.
i knew that bill simmons too; and what u are missing is, at some point the burden of keeping the momentum overtakes what u really think. clicks become more important then ur mind. u appreciate bill simmons the fan, u dont want to acknowledge bill the business man. Not to get too deep; but I think people underestimate just a pure logical interpretation of things, when money becomes a thing. We all chase the gold, while ignoring the value in gravel. You do great work man, keep it up.
Make a member option, and sign me up first. Ur work is worth supporting.
1:34:07 I agree that they were definitely tic for tac.
This is like acting as if there were no other tall people back then outside of wilt and Bill lol
Good to hear about the thick skins those Lakers greats had lol
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Less contact is called for the foul in the modern game. When Iverson jumped on Shaq's back and Shaq took Iverson up with him, the refs didn't want to call it. Shaq was banged a lot harder without getting the call. Embiid has an easier opportunity to score.
Bill Simmons was arguing that Shaq’s inability to make free-throws made him a vulnerability in close games in the Playoffs, and that’s what made the difference for him. P.S. Not an Embiid fan.
Bro 1:09:15 that is insane 🤩 4 diff seasons of 30ppg Adrian dantley needs respect g
Don't forget during that era there was another team that interrupted that rivalry it was the sixers tho they couldn't win till they got Moses cos Dawkins couldn't hold Parrish or Kareem
Lebron wasn’t grabbing rebounds like Maurice Stokes😂..
Ayo someone send the first part of this vid to Stephen A
Hey didnt Michael Cooper play for the lakers when Kobe was a rookie or am i wrong?
The conversation about Wilt is being to tall is bs because that’s the same situation with Wemby and the basketball community loves him so I don’t get it.
Mamba came out of HIGHSCHOOL. Lakers held him back for 4 yrs.
Yes the ABA stats should count along with the NBA, no that highlight of MJ ain't overrated that's a good highlight.
Wilt played a lot like LeBron. Just as fast, good shooting, passing, driving, IQ, but he was 5 inches taller. A player like that would dominate any era (given a good team)
How the hell do you know how wilt played
@@goreyboyz8564 weird question to ask on KZhead
I agree with past players being more underrated but imo harden gets pushed aside in this era... he had a stretch of 5 seasons where the least he AVG was 29ppg with 7.5apg, 3 straight top 2 MVP finishes, if you avg his Numbers he AVG 28 and 8 for a decade.... Him not winning a ring in Houston makes people underrate him imo he should have done it in 2018 tho no excuses there...