Xoli Mngambi in Orania engaging with community leaders & business people
2019 ж. 16 Сәу.
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The town of Orania has long been a polarising feature of our society.
The eNCA election bus spent the day interacting with residents there, to try and understand what motivates the community's need for Afrikaner self determination? Courtesy #DStv403
I've been living a misinformed life about Orania. I dont see anything wrong with this place.
You are dumb.
If you don't see anything wrong with Orania then your conscientiousness is switched off. You represent the few black people who sold their black brother down the river. If you think whites will fee sorry for you you are saddly mistaken. Orania is a racist place not because these three joker's are saying it's not, Orania is a mistake and should not be allowed.
@@sunkem6417 why should it not be allowed? They hold absolutely no threat to you. They do not take your job, nor do they break in to your house and threaten your life. Why on earth would you be against something that holds no threat to you or your family whatsoever?
sphukuphuku
@@siphomthembu4582 who you calling an idiot?
Im Black, not African and it's annoying to see they won't mind our business and you need to grow mentally without making White explain theirselves if they aren't harming anyone. They simply want to be around their tribe. That should be ok!
The problem I see is they then educate the next generation to pursue a radicalized agenda. This town needs to be shut down and become government controlled and not allowed.
If it was a black settlement eNCA would not have bothered.
Bcz blacks dont exclude white ppl from their communities
@@sonofsoweto yes they do.... have you met Andile? He's a nice guy hey....he wants to kill all whites and their animals. Please buddy....wake up from underneath that rock that you're too busy sleeping under from
Well BLF does. Colonizers must go is what I hear daily. Whites are not African. No Quotas in Soccer to boost white players? @@sonofsoweto
@King Xavi Now that you mentioned it , have you noticed that most towns are starting to look like townships ? Dumping of rubbish everywhere , overflowing drains , infrastructure breaking down everywhere ! Who needs to stay in a township when the towns and cities are being transformed into rubbish dumps ? My question is , why is this happening ? And it started to degrade 25 years ago .WHY ??
@King Xavi I can not thank you enough for your reply. You and the likes of you , proves how big a problem we have in SA . Please reply with more of your african reasoning so that we , everybody that reads this , can have an even better understanding of how some black africans minds work .
Good for them these people. Very admirable. and they are not screaming and yelling at anyone. They just doing their thing(the job) and succeeding quietly. Very well done!!!
Aww, such nice words for the reporters. I'm sure they appreciate it 👍
Only one good thing about this community that we Blacks can learn from, THE TRUE MEANING OF FAMILY. We heard it, once the shop is closed, whoever wants something goes in through the designated door, gets what's needed or wanted, comes back the next day to the owner and pays for whatever taken. Fantastic, that's what pleases the creator, learn from it my fellow black people. Hotep
Black South Africans should get together in communities and learn from oranja. This is a crime free hardworking solution where communities can learn to be self reliant, hate and crime free
With regards to getting together, not so easy with psyche of the black community in tatters. Never take for granted being treated as less than human for centuries, it affects how you view yourself and the world around you, and no, 20yrs of independence will not fix that.
There are several cultural communities in South Africa that are only blacks. The problem is they still live like in the stone age. Only subsistence agriculture. No one wants to create companies, nothing... Visit the Zulu community or the Mnyameni, in the Eastern Cape.
@@if6086 It shows where the black race is evolutionary wise as compared to other races, however we blacks, in complicity with the political correctness community, will not accept the obvious. Everything will devolve into cries of racism, and we know right there is the end of any debate. There we'll only continue to mask our lack of ability to progress with accusations of slavery for those in Europe and the Americas and then Colonialism with the rest of Africa.
@@dolesme9892 I totally agree with you!
They should but can they look to Haiti
I am not an Afrikaner but I take my hat off to those who have lived and worked in Orania as they have really made it a beautiful place and should be left to live their lives without interference from others.
Exactly Denise!!! I am not anything related to the community. I see nothing wrong about preservation; same as I would like to preserve my home traditions, teachings, culture as well as values. Communities need to learn from these people. I actually envy them. I want to go back home, but crime is iut of control!
a certain people simply feel threatened because of the Afrikaner's intelligence and potential. Why don't they just leave the people to live their lives in peace in Orania...whats eating them....is it because they hate been rejected or is it a superior thing to be accepted by the white man?...which is what they are saying by their behavior...let the Orania people be...they not asking the rest of South Africa for any hand outs...well done Orania you give us Captonians hope with the Secession...we wont stop until we succeed.
Go to hell!
They should go back to where they came from
Nothing wrong with localism lot's of communities are like this.Aparthied is a Hebrew concept in Israel not other Hebrew communities in the world.It's when they persecute other races or religions to do their menial jobs & mistreat them it it becomes dangerous & problematic.As they said Europeans are turned away for not being Afrikaans.If you went to a Black community & they were all black no one would call them Racist.It is misperception that if you're not white you can't be racist which is for small minded naive people.Of course you can be Racist if you're Black, brown,white,yellow & alot of non white people are just as or if not more Racist cause they think they're non white they can get away with it.Racisim is Racism no matter what colour you are & white people in the present are unfairly criticized for crimes of the past.As I recall South African Indian's under Aparthied had closed off societies & university,schools etc.Cause the Afrikaans do all the work themselves no one is persecuted it's not much different than a American Indian Reservation which have their own Police,Schools infrastructure etc do everything themselves & aren't classed as Racist.Nothing wrong with wanting to preserve your culture & if willing to change with the times & modernize like doing everything themselves not persecuting others like their forefathers did let them be. Lot's of indinginous peoples enslaved foreigners mainly white & each other in the past & they don't get the same scrutiny as a bunch of Afrikaans wanting to live by themselves & do everything themselves just like American Indians on Reservations or Zulu or Swaziland.The mere fact they're willing to talk to the media & who were Black shows they've moved forward along with doing everything themselves not persecuting others not like themselves. Their probably will be coloured people living their in the future someone who has a Afrikaans father or mother & brought up that way & identifies as Afrikaans & is if mixed race means they'll qualify to live there & might have family already living there.These people would be in small numbers but it's not out of the round of possibility & it will be good for their community if half Afrikaans people want to embrace one of their parents culture either one they choose they might choose Zulu & be half white & black but very light skinned.Works both ways.
Listen, why don’t you just make your village an awesome place like Orania. Stop with the corruption and fat bellies and let’s learn to work hard and for the future generations not to feed outr bellies or gain status. Their ideal is what makes a group of people prosper. They don’t want crime, they don’t want corruption, they want to educate their kids in the best way possible, they don’t want to wrongly enrich themselves, they are ready to work and build, they are united, they are about God. They are doing such a good job. Why can’t the rest of Africa just learn from them?!
You tell him kiki, good on you!!!! You are a true South African.
Exactly,instead of learning from them they are bussy attacking them for no reason and try to force themselves on them instead of fixing their own ommunities.
Flip Kiki, I wish you were president . SA would prosper.
I could not have said it better Kiki.
Thanks KiKi for stating the facts! Respect is what it is all about. And the fact that you respect these guys for what they believe warrants you to be respected!
Good for Oranje . you have the right to do what you're doing.
The right kind of constitutional reform will fix that mess. The clause in the SA constitution that guarantees the right to self-determination has created an unintended loophole through which racists can continue to be racist and gradually re-impose apartheid on SA society. You cannot have a boerestaat in a majority black country. You cannot have a state within a state. And this goes for all the ethnic zulu kingdoms as well. Something has got to be done.
@@ratbatnufftime2861 no.
@@ratbatnufftime2861 It's not a State but a settlement...
@@ratbatnufftime2861 You mad
@@ratbatnufftime2861 the white black thing is something I don't go into in KZhead comments seeing as that's a conversation that under the new laws can land me in prison for 2 years but I will say that if you try to get rid of the Zulu kingdoms you will reignite the armed conflict between IFP and ANC that ended in a ceasefire 20 years ago on the condition that the Zulu kingdom and self determination remains, IFP has arms caches of machine guns and bombs buried everywhere, the last one SAPS found a few years ago was 7 tonnes of guns and explosives, there are thousands more like that. People like you who see things as absolutes like that are what's going to plunge this country into war.
Orania, estimated population 1,600. It's a village. Nobody needs to feel threatened by Orania.
Lol its the same size as some schools in SA.. but gets so much media coverage.
It gets coverage because it's white run and works. Put a black municipality in there and the town would become dysfunctional within a year.
What about Volkstaat? It seems their goal is to be more than a village, no?
But given the racist apartheid history of South Africa, this is a dangerous path to take.
@@njorogemwororo2090 Given the racist present of SA now, it's self-preservation. You know being white in SA now is like wearing a target on your back. Once whites marginalised black people, now black people are actively murdering white people in huge numbers.
Look how clean it is there. And no massive walls around the houses. Must feel so peaceful just to walk around the town without getting raped or stabbed for R20
Crime rate is zero
Can we just stop all this senseless rhetoric that does not change anything. Allow people to live in peace and focus on your own area of living. Self-respect is kie.
@@sunkem6417 I think you have a misconception of what a parasite is.
Only from an ignorant fool
@King Xavi buddy. Everyone is entitled to their own space. That's a human right idiot. It's a fucking international human right. Educate yourself. It's not racist
@Jackie Meintjes Jammer Jackie, maar die dae van stil sit terwyl hulle n verkeerde narratief uitdruk is verby. Did is nou die tyd om hulle vas te vat, soos hulle ons bloedruk will stuig kan hulle ook nie meer ons blameer nie.Hulle grootste vrees is dat wittes weer saam staan. Die wereld het verander en Europa self's na net 10 jaar is al kla gatvol, America die selfde nie dat ons hul hulp noodag het nie, maar die wereld verstaan nou mooi wie en wat hulle is en die feit dat hulle so openluk saam Rusland staan maak ons saak nog tans sterke
Jirre, maar jy is dom.....private property? Does that ring a bell...somewhere
I couldn't stop laughing when he asked, so why did you invite us here? And the guy was like urm actually you emailed us. I also thought the point the guy made about the media race baiting and dividing South Africa before the elections was a valid one. This was a poorly conducted interview, Xoli is not professional, he was pulling faces throughout the link. I wish he conducted himself more professionally.
I wish he wasn't the guy that was picked for this
True he never got any points clarified and it's such an interesting topic. Many points could have been cleared up.
Couldn't agree more.
The interviewer clearly was race-baiting the conversation, and the interview is politically motivated in the first place because it was during an upcoming elections. Good thing that Orania people are aware of this and didn't hold back.
I think that African countries could take a thing or two from the Orania is how they managed to be completely self sustaining. What are the native Africans doing with their countries, they have all the resources, they have independence, they have fertile land and minerals but yet they can’t sustain themselves but look at Orania with its own currency how are they surviving. Instead of forcing yourself to be a part of their clique learn from them and create a better world for yourself.
I'm sure the ORANIA group would absolutely love to help develop skills to improve their African neighbour's.
The Igbos of Nigeria are trying hard to do that . After they establish Biafra I’m sure it would become a role model for other Africans. First of all … eliminate corruption. There is the money you need and put the money into your community not for corrupt politicians to take it abroad . Zuma and the likes should stay in jail .
Kiki you are 100% right. Black countries where apartheid and coloniusm never occurred in their histories are dirt poor. Black countries that inherited highly functional economies in all aspects quickly deteriate under childish policies. Zimbabwe comes to mind. SA sees the deteriation of neighbour's such as Zim, Mozambique, Angola , etc and somehow follow the same policies even though it leads to poverty and Black suffering. The average white and black person operating at grass route level at work or at play are really helpful nice people and treat each other in a freindly kind way and iv seen this on a daily basis but yet politicians do not for some reason build on this goodwill. They go out of their way to devide and conquer and in the process plunder . Mercs are bought for kings and Zuma creates strife and death to benefit himself after years of abusing a country yet Black people look up to these atrocities instead of condemning these people so that progress can be achieved. All very strange.
They should go back to theirs own roots and leave AFRICANS ALONE
@@MoMoneyProduction_ so every african that arrived in europe in the past 400 years should be sent back to africa?
When I started watching this video I assumed the journalist was going to be biased against Orania. I have to admit, he was very open minded and non-confrontational. It was very refreshing to watch real news for once, I'm so sick and tired of watching FAKE news like CNN etc... I respect Orania's decision to be self reliant and I think many other municipalities in South Africa could learn something about running a safe and prosperous community. I'm glad to see they didn't have any type of racial slant or objectives, it was just about maintaining a culture that is dying out.
This is only a small piece of Xoli's interviews throughout the time he was there. ENCA actually withdrew some of the things that Xoli accused Orania of last year. I don't know if he ever apologised though.
If these guys were true racists, they wouldn't have entertained this interview in the first place or allow the ENCA bus to be there. I am disappointed in the first question the interviewer threw out. It showed their state of mind and where the actual racism lies. It all points towards the resentment and hatred the politicians brew in the population in order to further their own agendas and quest for ultimate power... . .
We are crazy about Orania and I plan to move there in the near future.
and did you?
If I am not planning on moving out of the country, I'm moving to Orania.
The people are trying to preserve their culture. I see nothing wrong with that.
Enjoyed the interview, I'm of Irish decent so would not be allowed to live there but I respect people's desire to live and preserve their culture in the country it was created.
We are so much hated by many black people...scared for our lifes and break into property.That's why some run to Orania..very small private place...far from everything.Still...they hate whites to do that.😰😰😰
Irish decent you say ? I think they will let you live there my friend
I think the local baker is English speaking but obviously lives within the cultural expectations.
@@mathys7927 nope he saying he is a catholic and sees the christian sentiment in orania so naturally won't work. It will then be like SA when we chased the brittish who fund these racist trolls...
@Joshua Van Den Berg And...
Orania I salute you!!! I salute the excellence of the real Afrikaners. The best of South Africa has been built by your forefathers. I understand your position 100%. I wish I could go to a place where I could belong as a Coloured person. South Africa is HOSTILE to us. They are choking us out.
Ur just a lost soul
@@thapeloraboshaga9086 and you are the "found" soul?
@@jaysomeone Never been lost, I bend to the power of truth so I don't live a lie.
Jay, there are coloured communities all over the Cape .
This interviewer is severely bitter.... these people live a peaceful, sustainable life seperate from the corrupt South Africa,and it clearly bothers the interviewer... why? Hats off to these guys for such valid and civil answers.
No he is not, he is only stating the questions from other black people's perspective who does not know about the whole context of Orania.
@@danielcillie1856 he’s defo bitter he was mad mad
@@Armed-ForeverHe was pissed, he makes black people look bad
Clearly it is working for them..
So enjoyed this. Thanks for clearing it up for me. Well done Orania
14:30 He's right. South Africa would be 10000000x better off with independent localised communities, as opposed to one massive, centralised govt
I admire the people of Orania!
i have been there and it was amazing. no crime. no rubbish, amazing HARD WORKING people. And i dont like the tone of the interviewer.
Why can't everyone just leave these people alone? Who are they hurting???
Very good question. Answer is they hurt no one. However some people would like to stir and always play the racist card.
@@iclazion Be objective guys. No democratic country on this earth allows such. The fact that Orania exists is actually a compliment to the Gvt, especially looking at the history of this country. Its all about perspective. If you are happy with exclusion then when you are excluded by means of BEE etc you should not complain. There is nothing wrong with Afrikaans people being proud of who they are, appreciation of your culture is always a positive.
They're hurting the ego of black Africa.
The smell of progress and success bothers ANC immensely
ENCA propoganda bus
@king xavi is just a TROLL
Xoli, I like your journalistic presentation for eNCA. Top in my books. Oranje, showing the rest of SA how to run an effective community and affairs of "state". Keep it up I might come apply for residency before the bad faction oust the better of the two factions in the ANC
I understand where these guys are coming from still, they wanna preserve they way of life without prejudice...u cant blame ppl for tryin to find a better way of life...
Xolani, these 3 guys are much more impressive than your one track minded reporting. I hope you are able to change your angle... You did not achieve what you went there for. You were unsuccessful!
Very presumptuous of you.
idiot u know nothing shut up
People of south africa wanna know..and matured orania leaders answers..you good for nobody idiot said this rubbish
True that
@@khutsobrian5952 He has a good point. Xoli went there to push a narrative, and He failed dismally.
He's right. Let them live their culture the more the merrier. A holographic system of government vs centralized is best suited for service delivery. There are gated communities inside our cities that are more racially discriminating and classist than what I see here.
When this generation that is full of hatred is gone. The new generation that is pure at heart will change the world.
The problem is that the born free generation become racists because of the eff and others who threaten to kill white people and say we should go back to Europe when we were born in South Africa and it is our homeland too. I am not a racist because I respect all cultures and have grown up with Zulu and Xhosa. But the respect has to work both ways
I grew up after apartheid and my innocence made me believe everyone was equal and not see race for most of my life, but when you spend enough time in a country surrounded by black supremacist racists, you can't remain blind and ignorant forever.
This is a great interview and those with common sense will notice that this interviewer is very comfortable and spent some time with these men in the town. He is trying very hard to discredit this town and its people, but that is not the experience he had... Very true what is said that this is a ghost hunt.
so basically this is a place for hard workers, goal driven, self sustained and living in harmony, be honest and loyal have the Afrikaner culture.
Can someone please tell me what is wrong with Orania, what is wrong with it, if a person does not fit in, it is wrong to force them to fit in. Why must the cultures mix, if some people do not want to mix. What threat are they to you? Just because you want to mix, does not mean they want to.
Welcome to the U.S. where they shame white people for wanting to be left alone in peace
Mooi manne ..julle is ysters.! Mag jul geseend wees in wat jul ookal doen...weet net hul gaan druk toepas!
Ek, as 'n Afrikaner, is so trots op almal van Orania wat hierdie ou met direkte, eerlike oop gesigte geantwoord het, en nie in sy lokvalle van rassistiese vrae geval het nie!! So trots op julle almal!!👍👍👍👍👍Wens ek het my ou SA vlag gewaai,toe ek julle hoor!!,maar diê is by my huis in Houtbaai...!
ENCA sould fire this reporter, but then again what he did is pushing enca views!!!
if I had a chance I willl do the samething restore the Zulu culture or the Nguni nation ...I do agree with their context of restoring and preserving their Origin of their forefathers
But Zulus have Zulu kingdom,are they not doing same thing there?
South Africa. This is South Africa. Self-determination 💪 😌✨ you're are your own boss. You do everything your self. You have the abilities. No one should be dictate how you want to live your life. Jip go Afrikaaners. President Romophosa has done nothing for South Africans. He's somewhere in this woarl.. This interviewer great conversation.
Great job orania it's for our culture they don't understand the point everything is racist for them where a white person is involved it's not about racism it's about our culture and language
No shouting or yelling political slogans. If you can't assimilate into the Afrikaner culture don't bother living among. There nothing racist about preserving your culture.
@Patrick Kazan every culture in the world has developed and used this type of "extra-judicial" tactic to change the course of a country or culture, including black Africa. think of the asssination of Shaka Zulu etc. Just 2 years ago a "massacre" 10000 years old was dug up in lake Turkana in Kenya. At least one of the bodies was a pregnant female that had been tied and beaten to death... tragically this modus operandi still continues today... so in your words... "what a culture, is madness"
@Patrick Kazan unfortunately that is not isolated to Afrikaners either... Stories coming out of the ANC and PAC training camps are equally barbaric and evil.. rape,gang rape while partying... Evil people do evil things
Based on the interview comments or Respond, I dont see something wrong ...Forward with your movement of preserving and Embracing your culture Forward....African cultures must start to see cultures are very important in our way of lives
Ooh yeah.. have we forgotten the first colonialists arrived as evangelists … nice, soft spoken blah blah then boom the guns arrived
Keep up the good work guys
I beleive in diversity. I beleive all cultures should be preserved as a heritage for our children. One can only do so when cultures can be developed separately without the one dominating the other. Oranje is a good example of this. Mixing cultures makes us all the same if we do not kill each other first. Remember God caused a multi cultural world with diverse races. It's His blueprint for living. I wish all other cultures would do the same to preserve their heritage. Oh yes, I forgot because that will be just called apartheid.
Live and let live.. Good for you Afrikaners making life safer for you and your families. I wish I could find such a close community working together for a better life. X
Black People Should learn from such Initiative...Being a Black person I'm always fascinated about how the Afrikaaner preserve his identity...Big Up...Anyone who is against this doesn't know what it is meant by COMMUNITY...
We bought a home 7months now in a good area(Durban) in the first 2weeks of moving in we was robbed and majority of valuables taken our home completely turned upside down.......if this what it takes to ensure the well being and safety of my family I would do it in a heart beat.....a criminal as more rights than a hard working citizen(I work a 12hour shift as a nurse to earn a honest living) our country lost values and the law as no eyes
Hahahaha by looking at the comments, How can a small town of only +-1500 people in the middle of the desert get you angry like that, looks like you are scared of them hahahaha Jelous much... They will never impact your life in any way, and they are bothering no one. Some of you before this, has never heard of this place. So please explain how Orania is impacting your life?
Simple. It shows that whites can flourish without exploring the blacks. The blacks in the US believe that they create the richness of US and that white people stole it from them. That is why it is so dangerous places like Orania. People start comparing Mnyameni, Zulu, Xhosa, etc communities with Orania.
BEE news anchor together with BEE team obviously had not done any proper research first.
Okey...now that you are done with what ever you aimed to achieve in the beautiful, clean and peaceful town called Orania, I hope your bus makes its way to the Royal Bafokeng tribe outside of Rusteburg. But I bet you the spirit of those interviews will differ greatly from the interviews in Orania.
orania is Just another boer cell that needs to be neutralized.
@@sunkem6417 obviously you feel threatened by what Orania has achieved for some odd reason...I pitty your way of thinking. I can now see your comments come from a place of fear....
@@sunkem6417 are you jealous that oranje operates vetter then the whole of south africa
@King Xavi ooooooo my goodness, do you people have no better way of communicating other than name calling....and even then its bad taste.
@King Xavi you couldn't see a fact if it hit you in your face.
what was your political goal for inviting enca here to Orania. no no no. You emailed us.hahaha.
I'm not an Afrikaaner.. I'm not a racist.. I believe every human is created in the image of God.. God created different races.. with unique ways of living.. different types of culinary skills.. different talents. For a people to want to preserve their culture is an utmost right.. to question it and want to dismantle it.. well that's actually where the evil comes in.. I don't mind visiting Orania to learn about the lifestyle.. but I'm not an Afrikaaner and would not want to assymilate because I have my own culture to build, preserve and share with the rest of the people groups.. To try and dissolve any culture is nothing short of evil.. Let's allow each people group the freedom to preserve their cultures and then we come together and share our cultural ideas with each other..maybe it's fashion.. food.. values.. and then if people like it and want to try it.. they can .. WITHOUT forsaking their own cultural heritage...My goodness I don't know what agenda is being played out here..but as citizens We should pray for our beautiful country .. 🌈 Nation 🙏🙏🙏
Why not introduce multi culturalism?
This interview has taught me something different about Orania 👏🏾 and I must say I envy the way they live.
Awesome, good for you guy's 💯💪
Leave those damn people alone... Live and let live
Peace! As a Black American, I am a staunch libertarian conservative who believe in pure freedom which includes people of a common phenotype/genotype have the right to exist in their own separate communities as a collective and establish their own culture, period! This is not about racism at all. Racism is government mandated programs that involve favoring one group of people over other groups of people based on skin color, phenotype/genotype, & other cultural/social commonalities and forced separation/segregation between various groups of people. People could practice prejudice and bigotry against others and even use the system of racism to their advantage. At first I was against the idea of Orania, but now, I'm all for it. The media needs to just leave these people alone and allow them to live in peace.
We have a lack of respect towards each other. There are a lot of different cultures in South Africa and they all have the right to embrace there own heritage. If government play open cards to all people of South Africa, then everyone would live together in peace and harmony like Mr. Nelson Mandela wanted it. And it was like that at some point, untill government started benefitting from corruption and spreading lies to create chaos among South Africans. If the whole nation stood together, there would be no need for ANC, and they know that. Sad but true.
I believe that anyone is allowed to live the life they want.
Why would you go to a place that has caused no harm to everyone its looking for something !!!!!
I think it's great that Orania is preserving the Afrikaans culture by doing what they doing. :)
We have Zulu tribal land in the Ingonyama trust (google it),we have Xhosa tribal land etc etc etc (refer the 1913 land act part 2 (the part nobody ever refers to or wants to speak about), these tribal trust areas are still owned by the various black nations to this day, it is only the whites who have had to share their part....to this day, a white cannot buy land in a 1913 land act proclaimed tribal trust area. After the Boer War and the Mfecane wars, the whites had settled into their areas and the black nations into their own areas in a horseshoe shape around South Africa, with the Zulu`s occupying Kwazulu Natal (Natal at the time). There existed no laws that established or recognised these various areas and that is what the 1913 land act set about trying to establish and legalise The white areas where proclaimed under part 1 of the act and the black tribal areas under part 2 of the act, so that everyone knew who had rights to what land (remember their where wars happening between blacks themselves and also the whites because everyone couldn`t live together in peace,so this law was necessary). NObody even questions the various black tribes living their cultural lifestyle within these tribal trust areas (land donated by government)...but let a white try do it (by buying his own land and living on it) and then he is a racist and wants apartheid...crazy, crazy world we live in!
They need white people to develop it that's the truth... If they could and if they had we still would have met at the boarders of flushing areas but they had to leave their homelands to look for work from the whites... Sorry it's history Malema never took the subject or they didn't have the info to teach in the black schools... The truth is the truth 👌
I don't see anything wrong with Orania, they're just trying to preserve their culture and have not harmed anyone. They did a great job in Orania and i think other communities should do the same.
Excellent interview by Xoli
Mooi bewoord, Joost!
Asks the same question over and over again
Orania. I support it.
Orania exudes positive energy. Should be encouraged to continue. This journalist is quite intelligent and professional
They're self dependent, they want to preserve their identity and they're on good track. Just let them alone, you don't have to live with them.
The entire interview has been framed wrongly, since from the start the two premises presented are inaccurate and suggestive: 1. "Orania is a a whites-only enclave" No, it is an enclave for Afrikaners and people who identify with Afrikaner people and Afrikaner ideals. The fact that local concentration of a specific ethnic group entails a limited diversity of skin colour is a by-product; not a goal. Afrikaners happen to be white, thus Orania happens to be white. 2. "People like you and I ('me', that is) are only welcome as garden boys and as domestic workers" No, in Orania people do all types of work themselves; from accountancy to building, from being a waiter to being the gardener (or garden "boy" - as the anchorman likes to suggest). In Orania labour is done by the Afrikaner people (volkseie arbeid). It is the rest of South Africa where whites (or any other member of an ethnic group) hire black people to do the cheap labour.
The young guy (Joost) is very powerful and speaks well. Glad he stood up for the solidarity of Afrikaaner cultural heritage. Even me being a black I'm glad he spoke against the devisive media 👊🏿
Well gedaan joost. Sê hom. Saluut
XOLI RIGHT AT HOME IN ORANIA! ☮️THOSE GUYS ARE NUTS
So, they want to leave on their own without wanting anyone to go live there except for Afrikaans speaking people but they can go out of that place into the broader SA and do whatever they want without anybody disturbing them. Well, that's cool 😎
You can say the same thing about Zulu kingdom,right?Allow people to preserve and practise their culture,don't envy that.It's better to learn from other people thag are better than you instead of envying them my guy..
Hands off Orania.... LoL
THIS IS OUR CONTINENT "HANDS OFF ORANIA" IN EUROPE NOT HERE
They must go back to Holland
@@philamarshal7086 l hope South Africa turns into Nigeria. Oh yeah it's already half way there VBS, Eskom.
@@philamarshal7086 Ok then stay out of Europe and the US. Don't if bother visiting or going there for higher education. Don't ask the West to rescue to fools
Still thinking white will go somewhere, we will out build you, we will out grow you, our positive creativity ways will always win. So come on you lazy ass people, try and out think us, try and out work us. Now, lets see your comments of blame and attack and breaking down continue here while we laugh silently - we are working in the back ground like you have no idee, building, contributing and creating a future. Lets see if you can keep up.
How interestin the topic of pride an conservation.it is a nice to imagine I.had the foresight in civil expansion of building a dam an solar units an orchards it reminds me of my Past wher my Granfather had a street named wher a people collected deliveries an owned a farm
Xoli is a poor journo! from the first question to the last he never follows through to get direct answers. what a waste of my data.
That's your opinion, because you believe in bashing people until they say what you want to hear. That is the job of an interrogater, not a journalist.
Xoli is a journalist hence he was conducting an interview NOT a third degree or a heated cross examination
Nonsense, we cant have a community that excludes others on the basis of race/culture in SA, that's what apartheid was and Xoli failed to demonstrate that Orania is a racist town. Afrikaans is preserved in Centurion and African are free there
@@sakhilemtshali7555 so according to you're statement is the royal bafokeng tribe community just outside rustenburg also racist because they live on their own? Straigt answer!
I don't agree but your point of view seems to relate a lot to our South African government. However you do not scrutinise them?
eNCA are to focused on Orania because it's a white community. There are other religious community like the Mormon in the US and Australia And are doing extremely well and are not bothered so leave Orania alone.
This is quite a unique and perplex situation in the one country we live in.
I bet Xoli would love to live in town like Oranjia
Just can’t leave them alone.Just looking to start shit.
If it's not racism, it's definitely tribalism :)
Being proud about being a Zulu or Xhoza or Afrikaner or Jewish is also a form tribalism becareful what you think and say. the world turns around with out your help and will leave you behind
@Marisca Koekemoer racism...discrimination based on race. Tribalism...discrimination based on tribe. Race...distinct physical attributes. Tribe...Social division of traditional societies. There is a clear difference between the two.
@Marisca Koekemoer I dont know. I replied to your statement whereby you expressed that racism and tribalism are the same...and I explained why they are not the same using definition. This has nothing to do with The behaviour of races or tribes its merely definition of races and tribes. Social behaviour and tolerance is a different topic of discussion and does not fit in to my response in any way, shape or form. Read my response carefully. Also...you can get many different tribes of the SAME RACE...if they discriminate against each other, it cant be racism because they are the SAME RACE...for example if Zulus discriminate against Sothos...they are different TRIBES but the SAME RACE so how can tribalism be racism??? Eish🤦🏽♂️
@Marisca Koekemoer The names for it are different because it is different. Why can you not understand that? Racism and Tribalism is not the same thing. Go look it up. Now you talking about principles and the essence of it. Sure they may both be forms of separatism by discrimination but they are different. Racism is when someone discriminates against you because you're for example Black and they are not...Tribalism is if someone discriminates against you because you are from a different tribe...and you can be Black and that person can be Black too...whats so hard here to understand?
Yasus can you read? People are going to think that you are slow... I didn't prefer anything, im simply trying to show you the difference between tribalism and racism and that there is actually one. You start talking about my preferences and different race and tribe behaviours lol. Furthermore you dont even know my race to assume anything about it. Why dont you go sleep and stop being silly unless you are just the type that will keep arguing even though you talking utter kak. (Your poor partner, if you have one...must drive him/her nuts). Now I didn't call you lesbian or bi in that final statement, i just dont assume what people are...and I dont want to have a discussion about that either.
Unity in diversity. I respect the community of Orania.
They make good points
This black guy is angry his not getting what he wants and that is conflict
I'm coming to stay there
No they won't because then you have to work yourself and build things, not break things and sit around doing nothing. There is no handouts in Orania 😂
@King Xavi yes but the country was functioning perfectly, thanks for asking
@King Xavi we made it work, same rules for all so I don't see the relevance in that statement... If I hold myself to certain values I can expect then to have you hold the same.. If not cool, but the planting field was level... Some just worked together others revolted. Funny how you a xhosa who never fought for the Republic like zulus and boers did, want to stake a claim at anything... you are a quarra an African jump, and your blf/anc/eff/da cronies ar going down 😉... you sunk your own ship 😂😂😂
Joost well said all round
It looks like Orania has become a thorn in the sides of the blacks.....Why.....if this was a black Town......i guarantee you that there would not be an issue.....is it so hard for the blacks to understand .....there are some whites who do not want a black influence point.....so live and let live......
Leave the people alone please
Big up to these people, leave them alone...
Lekker, ek stem saam! I think we should embrace culture. I am English speaking.
I’ve got to say Joost has a point
No gardenboy or domestic workers , they hdo it themselves
It's amazing the amount of fuss and negativity over a tiny handful of people who are a little different. Find something more constructive to do. Seriously.
Oh wow, the reporters were called on their pressing need to scream racism. All races and cultures have the right to be proud of their heritage. Not just what is fashionable at the moment.
Seeing the apartheid since the ANC government is in power, surely one is entitled to live and make their laws on a small piece of land which they own and on which they have chosen to live terror and violence free
Hats off to the Afrikaaners of Orania!!
In 70 years the Afrikaner culture will still be there, but will there still be Zulu culture? They are gladly becoming part of the universal gray mob, do they only speak English now?
Keep lying to yourself.
@@thedudeafrican8313 Where do you think the lie is? Are you Zulu?
They independent, they doing so well.
this is so cool