Porsche Taycan vs. 2020 Tesla Model S: Which luxury EV is best
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We drove both, now join us as we break down the finer points of these two all-electric luxury powerhouses.
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I think that Taycan is cooler
That was a fair review. Two different awesome cars for two different purposes depending on what you are looking for.
The most awesome thing about this is two of the fastest, highest-tech cars on the planet are zero emission EVs, paving the way for a much cleaner future. And this Tesla / Porsche rivalry will make all customers winners, because we end up with better cars to choose from.
@David Farley They are cleaner by orders of magnitude, particularly if you trace all the materials back to source. Not only are greentech firms getting more efficient and less polluting as time goes on, petroleum is filthy from drilling to shipping to refining to shipping to pumping to burning, and also requires a lot of electricity. They are not even close.
Colin Fox but.... you’re wrong
I don't wanna be 'that guy' but Porsche is much more advanced and has actual experience. Tesla on the other hand, still has a massive amount of build quality issues
quaaacked Porsche just has more experience in general, but Tesla has more experience in the electric market. And all of Tesla’s cars (except the roadster) are cheaper than the taycan
@@ColinFox less the big battery pack that need rare metals to be mine.
Taycan all the way, except for the price
Which is no way.
But please At Tesla’s speed. Lol
Ok so I'd take a Bugatti then since apparently price isn't a big factor.
Best logical, unbiased comparison yet. Thanks!
Great review. In my mind however the Taycan is a superior car and drives so much better.
I mean, yeah. But Im pretty sure if you took the back seats from the tesla and lowered it a few inches (I.E., make it into a weirdly shaped sports car) it would sweep the floor with the Tycan. The Tycan wins in style and luxury tho
@@evaristofernandezmarecos1553 no it still wouldn’t. Porsches chassis control is like no other
I had to choose between these two cars.. I ended up choosing a 2020 Tesla Model S Long Range for 3 key reasons. 1. Superior range - being new to electric cars I was very concerned about this. 2. Price - not sure why but the Taycan felt way more expensive. 3. Charging network - I knew where super chargers and destination chargers were based on where I worked and I felt I could manage using that without needing a setup in my house and it all worked out.
I had a Taycan. I got gapped a lot by teslas. And the hood cannot be opened. Tesla is ahead of the game
Can you do an update video of the 2023 Model S LR & Taycan 4S or RWD?
AutoPIlot should have been briefed about. I drive about 70 miles on the highway every day, and it makes me so much less stressed. Yes, I have not had any major concerns with it. Frankly, I feel safer with AP on than humans driving, haha. I see Tesla has a Tech company with many data info, and they happen to put wheels on a computer. Porsche is known for their quality, but for Tesla since there are few buttons on the car, it is difficult to provide quality.
I wonder why these people don't understand that teslas are not meant to be driven but to drive you.. They are tech cars
@Jen You have no driving license?
@@nickmwansa5059 Cause it's still illegal and not nearly as fun
These cars are not competitors. The Model S is an efficient economy car for people who want to avoid driving and the Taycan is a fun luxury car for people who like driving.
Range & charging network is key for ant EV IMO. Lastly, Tesla software & updates are amazing.
Helluva good video
What real world mileage did the Tesla get in your testing?
The Porsche wins in acceleration. Acceleration isn't only about 0-60mph. The Taycan Turbo S accelerates from 0-250km/h much quicker than the Model S Performance.
I would love to see an average of the 0-60 value. Wake in the morning, perform the test for each car 5 times in a row, and go by that average for the statistic.
@@dryii True. But with the Cheetah update, I'd give the 0-60mph edge to the Tesla.
@@TheTmat007 Porsche probably needs a very sticky drag strip to get its 12000 nm of torque on the street. Drag Times had 0-60 in 2.59s for Taycan on unprepped dragstrip and 2.64s for Cheetah Raven on the street. So they are neck to neck within 0.05s.
one of a few fair comparison videos that doesn't scratch my brain, as a Tesla fan
Thanks for the well done comparison. As a Model S owner I would add that in it you can easily fit four or five persons and an awesome lot of baggages, still having supercar performances. I don’t know if you can do the same in a Taycan, because I’ve never had the chance to see one inside.
The quality of leather and interior of the Porsche is way better than the Tesla. If I own a Porsche, I would not be trying to put 5 person s and bagagges in there. Tesla is like a Toyota or Honda but ev, Porsche is like a Porsche but ev. Porsche don't have all the bells and whistles of a Tesla. In the next 5 years, more people will be driving a Tesla, that's y I compared it to Toyota or honda
Give me the driving experience of taking a whinding road on a weekend staycation in a Porsche. Personally, I agree 5 people that means someone better meet me there, bc 4 would be the limit.
Great and fair comparison The cars are so similar it comes down to personal preferences and what are you looking for into car weather it's range, handling, saloon quality, self driving or other variables, both look great too, Tesla bit dull, but more like timeless, ironicly Porche is looking more fresh.
I can almost buy a Model S and a Model 3 for the price of the Taycan
Yes agree
Yeah but you’d end up with 2 mediocre vehicles with trash build qualitt
When you have to do a Porsche commercial but you also can't trigger the Tesla fan club 😂
Did purposefully forget to mention the usability and functionality of the Model S vs Taycan? Try going to Costco with the kids in the Taycan. Try going on a long distance trip anywhere with the Taycan. Range isn’t the Taycan’s biggest issue.
Kids will love the "magic" electric opening tricks of the bonnet caress, charge port swipe and trunk foot-wave. 🥰
I'm even more in love with this car
I like Porsche but for the price of a semi fully loaded 4S can get a Ludacris Model S, Ludacris Model X and two performance Model 3s. I believe the self driving feature on the Tesla is superior to Porsches. Do they even have one?
No Porsche has basically a Traffic Jam assist or something like that.
You think you can buy those 4 Tesla vehicles for the price of a 'fully loaded' Taycan 4S (~$140k)?
@@dryii A fully loaded Taycan will be closer to $180k than $140k
@@biplabkumarghosh6300 no actually it will cost 225k
If you want the best you have to pay😂😂
What will be interesting is to see if Porsche does what Tesla does with updates over air that add features or make nice improvements. I have not heard much about what Porsche has been doing or plans to do in this area. I just know many Tesla owners have been pleased with how their vehicle gets some helpful upgrades even years after being bought. Nice to see more EV competition and I think we are just starting some of the pay from more R&D investment in the EV sector. If people did not believe EVs were going to take over the market in the next five to ten years, they should believe it now.
Some have been unpleased because last update seemed to have robbed them 0.1 s 0-60 time advantage with the Mod 3 performance.
@@abraxastulammo9940 Yes the same time advantage which was provided with an update. The car didn't come out of the factory with that advantage (unless your car was built in that short time between updates)
I did not understand the point in the video 2:38 where he said you do not have to go through menus to get launch speeds of that they were quoting. The Tesla certainly requires going through the console to enable ludicrous mode. And if they wanted to compare only the base models and long-range they should have compared the times of 0 to 60 for those cars I'm not bringing cheetah mode. But in his summary he stated the correct opinion, if he had the money he would have the Taycan at home.
A few years ago, Motor Trend got 2.2 seconds 0-60 mph in the P100D with 1 foot rollout. I think you're a little biased here. If Porsche is your car, no qualms. However, the Model S can get similar numbers without the Cheetah Stance. "In his summary he stated the correct opinion..." Who determines what opinion is correct or incorrect?
@@KyleHubb my point was going into Ludicrous+ mode does require menus. Wasn't that used by MT? I know Tesla's can be fast, no debate there.
.....not even adaptive cruise control is included on the base model Porsche?!? Win for my base model Corolla.. standard.
Lmaoo same! I’ve got the Camry se hybrid
Not even... at that prince. It cost another $2k to add it.
Well, just to let you know Porsche's $3600 InnoDrive only works at speeds lower than 35mph. Porsche said that their drivers wants to drive their cars and they use cruise control only in stop and go traffic. In comparison Tesla gives Autopilot free on all cars starting from $40k and can be used to about 90mph
@@biplabkumarghosh6300 So.. PORSCHE is ran by a bunch of pompous assholes? A longer road trip is always possible. Even in a "drivers car" you might want to set adaptive cruise control on the freeway because your foot is falling asleep and you need to stretch for a few minutes.. I don't understand the logic.
@@kevina2052 He is just pulling your leg, in good to know guide Porsche actually describes the behaviour at 100 km/h, but it has no 90 mph limit like Tesla, you can see nextmove testing the Taycan with ACC at 200 km/h, so 1:0 for the Porsche. ^_^
Model S (as of today) is now $5,000 less expensive and Full Self-Driving is currently only $7,000. Other than that, great video!
But it doesn't full self drive, does it? It is like the "I am rich app" for 999 Dollars. 😁
@@abraxastulammo9940 I mean its rolling out now, so I guess it does..
Fair review but you really should have talked about autopilot with the Tesla. This is a huge feature that comes standard on the car. Autopilot makes long highway commutes so much better. A lot of people buy the Tesla solely because of autopilot. If technology was a category, Tesla would have won by a mile.
Tesla is thinking how to make the battery better and Porsche thinking how to make the exterior better ! Common sense guys. 🤦
Indeed price is a very important factor when deciding for a big car investment. I think Teslas are just getting better every year but Porsche has a racing history and they can't compromise on things like build and ride quality like Tesla can afford to do. I guess Porsche is for loyal Porsche customers and Tesla is for smart people. Both cars are priced accordingly like you said. However, Teslas are taking over many other EVs and Porsche is not an exception.
Here’s my take the Taycan is a Porsche that happens to be electric and the Model S is a electronic that happens to drive!
THIS
@@richardnedbalek1968 What's the difference?
@@ColinFox Tesla is car tech and renewable company whilst Porsche is jx a car company
@@nickmwansa5059 wrong Porsche is also auch tech company they build first EV
Which one overheats first .
@ᆞ nope, the Tesla limits performance after a the few 1/4 mile runs. The Porsche remains consistent until battery is drained.
@@EvasiveEvo the battery ofnthe Porsche starts loosing power delivery after 60% and will overheat if pushed too hard on track, model S plaid fixes overheating issues that the model S 2020 had, and is now less prone to overheating then the taycan.
At highest level 0-60 acceleration 0.1 of a second really count, that can make a cost difference of hundreds of thousands regarding ICE cars - so you mentioned the Chiron, that car costs millions. For daily driving the 0.1 second makes no difference. Regarding interior design I prefer the Model S, but regarding fit and finish the Taycan, but I do not like the "button and screen overload".
The only issue I have is folks giving the edge to Tesla with a simplistick 0-60. What I'd really like to see is a comparison where the reviewer wakes up in the morning, goes out to the car, and runs the test 5 times in a row (just like a normal owner might do). Then give us the average as a final score. The massaged number from a one off run is not at all 'real world'.
Carwow my friend, they do exactly what you've said.
Tesla has been increasing the prices to the point that model S is now more expensive than the Porsche Taycan.
At 2:35 I believe that the reviewer is lying, menus and long preheating is needed for the Tesla. The Taycan is select Sport or Sport+ which you may already be in. Foot on brake, then accelerator then release brake.
most reviews show that taycan has more acceleration
morad ben youssef the new model s has more acceleration
Only the $190,000 Turbo S. The $90,000 Tesla is much faster than the $115,000 Taycan 4S. Even faster than the $155,000 Taycan Turbo.
$114K for a porsche sounds like a major bargain when the tesla counterpart is $97K - i thought the difference was way more.
That really wasn't a fair take. You can get a Model S, essentially fully loaded, for $75k right now. This video added on full self-driving, sport options, and the video is a bit old and didn't factor in this month's price drop. Realistically, you're talking $35-40k difference between the Model S long range (current base model) and Taycan base model.
Important countries like China get a rear wheel drive Taycan with more range starting at ~$80K. :)
He added InnoDrive which includes Porsche Active Lane Keeping which is a level of self steering with road sign reading. Also he added the performance package which includes: Rear Axle Steering incl. Power Steering Plus (turning radius smaller than a Model 3) Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control Sport (PDCC Sport) (twists the frame with active anti-roll bars to keep car flat in turns defying physics most reviewers add) Sport Chrono Package (easy steering wheel control of drive modes, Sport+ and Individual Mode) Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus (PTV+) (Electronic controlled rear differential to control per wheel torque when turning) Porsche Electric Sport Sound (the Star Wars/Lucas Studio collaboration sound of acceleration) Yes there are dozens and dozens of other tempting options like night vision, air conditioned seats, massage seats,. 10 Colors to choose in 2020 and 7 more in 2021. No doubt price is different, but there is sometimes truth in the phrase, you get what you pay for.
Nice review! I'll just have to have them both! Like Rick Cobia wrote, "two different cars." For tech, range, and price, go to Tesla! Extraordinary luxury, and handling, and curb appeal go to Porche! However, there are other solid and essential factors not being mentioned here. These are 1) Safety 2) Maintenance and durability 3) Availability/lead time for orders 4) Model upgrades. My heart goes to Porche but, my brain goes to Tesla! My common sense says to follow the leader in EVs by going to Tesla! My soul's spirit says, screw it and live to enjoy your ride; drive a Porche! So, if I had to choose, I'd have to be smart about it and go with the Model S.
Great point! Even though electric cars require less maintenance, I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a lot more $ to order parts for the Taycan.
The only thing I’m leary about the review is that Porsche tend to load their media cars with all of the optional handling options, even on base models that you can’t find in a used car market to get glowing reviews for their handling.
Now you know why your ability to read Craig thoughts suddenly stopped.
Since I was 12, Porsche was my favourite.Taycan has heritage and class,can't replace that.tesla is new and fast,but has to get those kinks out; crashing and such
With over the air updates the model S gets better over time latest being the new cheetah mode. With that being said Taycan is arguably Porches best car
I was expecting to see/hear Craig Cole. But, got him wearing a tin hat which was fun to see! On another note, were the Porsche the same price as the Tesla, I'd pick the Taycan. But, I love the Supercharger network. And, I still think my Model 3 Performance is the best balance of price, handling, range, efficiency, features, technology, and performance (just not build quality!!!).
The battery is important. Porsche is using off the shelf standard li-ion batteries, while Tesla has special developed batteries that will last for over 1 600 000 kilometers specifically altered to last long in their car. This is the real and most important difference since the battery is probably the most expensive part in these cars and you should choose the one that lasts the longest.
Didn't the 1 mio km record breaking car already have 3 batteries and 4 engines??
@@abraxastulammo9940 with the normal pre-1 mill battery tech and also the first 2 batteries were early production units and did not wear out but had some kind of error so they replaced them because of the error code. the third again was pre 1 mil tech and lasted for 700 000km already with minimal degradation
@@DaveBoxBG How much is the upgrade to the new special battery if I buy a used P85 with free supercharging?
Porsche looks amazing, but I feel Tesla is far more practical. You get the performance, high tech, practicality, more range, and not to mention the ever so growing supercharging network for a much lower price. I would honestly say The Porsche is more of a weekend car (and IF I had that kind of money i would have both for that reason).... which leads me to also feel that this isn't an appropriate comparison (personal opinion). But great review!
200 miles of range is plenty if you're a hermit who doesn't enjoy discovering the world.
200 miles is halfway across my country. It's plenty
@@Mireaze It's not "plenty", your country is just tiny, and there's a much larger world outside of it.
200 miles is when driving at 90 mph and it recharges twice as fast as Model S.
@@Mireaze Even if you never left your country, it's still a $200,000+ car.
@@abraxastulammo9940 where you gonna charge?
I'll choose Taycan for sure. It's sooooo handsomeeeee!
What is a "credible" car comparison test without a focus on depreciation?
If you're worried about the difference in depreciation, you aren't in the market segment that can afford to buy either of them.
Psssss. People might find sub 40k, 4 year old Panameras etc. and realize that everything Porsche without an RS badge drops like a rock.
I think is you want to buy an electric chauffeur car go and get the Tesla if you want the best electric drivers car buy the Porsche . Me I would go Porsche all day long if I’m spending the money I want a quality built car and I love that the Porsche offers wood grain as an option very nice touch.
I think the taycan looks better but the Tesla’s more high tech so it’s a preference on what you want
Tesla’s V3 superchargers charge at 250Kw or 1000 miles an hour. Same if not better than Electrify America.
Two cars with a combined weight of 10,000 pounds....
Imagine how how heavy the trucks will be. Tax them to oblivion!
@@jd1172 WRONG on both count. Cybertruck will be very close to a V6 F150. Tax is IRRELEVANT, current situation for Tesla is perfect. No Extra Tax & No Subsidies.
@@Neojhun No, YOU'RE WRONG! A base model F150 weighs ~4,000lbs. A 100kWh Model S weighs ~5,000lbs. How could a 250kWh Cybertruck weigh less? And Tesla does receive subsidies, a lot of them, billions and billions and billions worth through various cap and trade credits. Stop being such a fanboy.
@@jd1172 WTF your numbers are pointless. I did not say the base model, V6 with a Crew Cab is around 5,000lbs. Comparing the most similar spec Cybertruck smaller battery should be around 5,500lbs. 3 Motor long range heavier Cybertruck is closer to a F-250. Majority of Cybertrucks built & pre-ordered will be that smaller battery. It weighs that little because it has Intergrated Battery into Exoskeleton. Unlike Model S which has separate Chasis + Battery Packaging. You have no clue what you are talking about.
@@jd1172 LOL are you a troll with comment like scheme? In a very short time you have likes, that's too obvious dude.
Porsche Taycan turbo S ❤️
Interesting review. Car Magazine reviews of the Taycan indicate that it's 2 speed automatic is described as a little rough when it shifts occur between the two modes. Not as smooth as the price would imply. Test drive it in shifting situations before buying as this "feature" may be a long term annoyance as an owner. Also the Tesla is a single speed which is always smooth and it tends to regen engine brake when foot pressure is removed from the accelorator making it easier to than the Taycan in traffic which tends to glide leading to needing to manually brake more often.
Innodrive brakes by itself depending on traffic, upcoming roundabouts, curves...remember Porsche recoups at up to 265 kW.
@@abraxastulammo9940 please mention that Innodrive works only at speeds below 35mph whereas Autopilot works even at 90mph
@@biplabkumarghosh6300 You are confusing something, Innodrive deactivates if the speed limit is under 30 km/h. Traffic jam assist follows the queue and holds distance by itself at speeds till 37 mph. This does not mean the ACC with active lane keeping meant for long distance travel is limited to 37 mph. It works at 200+ km/h as well. I don't understand where you get your ideas from to spread such "fake news"...
People still think that luxury is lot of buttons, screens and sumptious leather seats. To me. Its simplicity and functionality,lot of it.
For me, it's suspension, material quality, and seat comfort.
That's not luxury, you're just a simpleton paying more money for less. 😂
@Zayd Mohammad but the user interface is really horrible.
model s even though it wasn’t leather was much more comfortable than my Panamera. Porsche/Audi seats as nice as their materials may be aren’t the most padded. And to get their most exotic leather you’re going to be paying for it. Simplicity of Tesla builds without endless checklists of options is refreshing.
Comparing apples to oranges - let's see how the Porsche does against the new Roadster
@Zayd Mohammad Agree 100%
A 2 seat roadster vs a 4 door sedan is apples to apples for you folks?
@goodfella21f Why do you feel that those 2 aren't in the same price range? Roadster with Autopilot starts at $200k and Taycan Turbo S (the only one to compare with the Roadster) with InnoDrive starts at $188,600. Not a whole lot of difference in price
@Zayd Mohammad Isnt price one of the most important factors? Just tell me if you had $200k, which one would you buy? Would you buy the Taycan just because the Roadster is a hypercar? The roadster has 4 seats, glass roof. The pinfarina Batista cost 10 times more than the roadster. Only 150 Batistas will ever be produced, whereas 10k roadster will be produced every year The price is almost always the single most important factor, not the performance Just think if the roadster is cancelled, I don't think any of the reservation holders will move to the Pinfarina Batistas. However they will surely try to move to Model S/Taycan
I don't get this comment....but the porsche exists in real life and the roadster exists when tesla fanboys get salty.
For the practical person the model S would make more sense (price, range). For the driving dynamic enthusiast, then the Porsche would fit better. However the price tag does play against the Porsche. If I have 200k available to buy a car, I would buy the Porsche.
Model S is NOT LUXURY. None of Tesla cars are LUXURY model.
Better? Sounds like the Taycan. Better buy? Sounds like the Tesla. Although, “Best Buy” often depends on resale.
Jen true, but my wife has a Porsche and I’ve been in my neighbor’s Model S several times. Her name is also Jen. The differences in fit and finish and general materials quality are dramatic. It would irk me to pay that much for a Tesla when what I have seen and heard is that those issues are common. Personally those things really stand out to me. She has had a lot of issues with paint. Something she has never mentioned, but I always do notice is that she has several panel gap and other similar fit issues. Again, a pet peeve. Personally, though handling and engagement is tops on my list. My personal car is a manual Mazda with a paltry 187hp because it was the most engaging car I test drove. Jen loves her car, but my proclivities definitely lean towards engaging cars.
@Jen where will you spend most of your time, on the roof or inside the car. If you have common or premium interiors to choose from I'd prefer premium.
Tesla’s Autopilot technology is unmatched.
Yeah, the ability to kamikaze emergency vehicles and gore points is something no other manufacturer can match!
Well known fact that Cadillac's Super Cruise is better than Tesla's Autopilot actually.
I couldn't consider buying a car without Autopilot. It's just wasteful.
Just go by bus/train/uber if you hate to drive a Porsche. 😂
Model S is an afterthought for Tesla at this juncture. From here on out, the Y, 3, and self-driving will build the company. That such an old vehicle can compete with a new $113,000 Porsche is a testament to Tesla engineers.
I bought myself a Tesla model S 2020 and a Taycan 4s for my wife but we both think Tesla is clearly the winner.
@Zayd Mohammad watch the video above ..it might give you some clues
Ha where are you getting all that cash? Looking at a Taycan, but I couldn't buy both!
Talk is cheap. Typical Tesla Fan Boys. Just talking bullshit. I also bought am model 3 for my daughter a taycan 4s for my son und a taycan turbo for my wife and turbo s for me. Clear winner Turbo S. Model 3 is just a cheap car good enough for my kids.
@Zayd Mohammad lol i think are the people that encouraged companies like BlackBerry to fail when apple brought the new tech... Please stop resisting the change from regular cars to new high tech ones
@@andreasfrose9150 Better to compare the Taycan with Model S not Model 3
If only taycan had more charging stations and range.
How you can compare a real Car with a Tablet with weels???
Model S is twice the size in terms of space and is a family sedan. Taycan is a sportscar with interior size on Model 3 level. So they are not targeting the same audience. I think you're missing a crucial point about range, The Taycan needs to be charged twice as often which means its battery life is a lot worse.
Tesla it's a bad joke!
Tesla will comfortable seat 5. Porsche 4. We are a family of 5. I own a Tesla Model 3 and a Porsche Boxster. Both are great cars! But, I feel that the quality of the Porsche, and handling will be better than the Tesla. However, the Tesla provides great value, and the Porsche is expensive, and you are apt to add a lot of expensive options! Style - the Porsche is better looking.
I'm disappointed that you didn't point out the repeatability of the Porsche's acceleration results. Granted that's probably as irrelevant in the real world as the initial acceleration run. It still would serve to point out the different targets these cars are aiming for.
Right!!?? In the real world, Taycan can be driven anywhere in the US.
I still can't get over the 'TURBO' name. Why? Porsche why? There are plenty of other words to choose from. SMH 😎 Good review though.
RUBOT would confuse people, so it stayed TURBO which is Indian for "car that goes fast". 😜
Strange comment... I own an gaming-computer with a high performance TURBO graphic card inside !!! No TURBO installed, exepct an electric fan for cooling... what about that ?
@@rascha7869 What brand / model graphics card has Turbo in their name?
What about interior dimensions and cargo capacity?
Taycan , better seats and comfortable, Tesla way better performance and range . I’d wait til Tesla improves the seats
if you want long-lasting cars then sure you should go for Porsche-
As a former Panamera owner I wish I would have unloaded it before my 6,500.00 AC repair, the thousands in brake jobs etc. Porsche can last but you’re going to pay In maintenance costs, if servicing at the dealer they’re paid on commission…. I’m done with that model where the service becomes a major revenue driver and these EV’s can’t be serviced outside the dealer…. I would never own a Porsche outside warranty or buy pre-owned high mile because they’re designed to return to dealer for service revenue. Porsche service advisor told me the Taycan will be serviced the same minus oil changes… I also don’t want to sit my car at the dealership for weeks while it updates software, same thing was told to me by the dealer.
If price were not a concern, I would still buy a Tesla Model S. Once you really understand what Tesla offers(range, safety, tech, FSD, charging infra etc), everything else just fades out in the background...IMO.
The Teslas have so many electronic gadgets and convenience features it's mind blowing, but their interior design is awful. I know decluttering is the point but it's so empty and boring in there. You need SOMETHING. If not vents and buttons ok, but better materials and some styling would go a LONG way. At this price point the spartan interior and crap looking plastics are shocking. The purists will always argue for the S because of its performance edge but the fact is you can't really make any use of that much performance on actual roads anyway so the performance delta is meaningless unless you actually intend to race the car. At the end of the day you're going to spend a whole helluva lot more time sitting inside the car than you will racing it and given that fact, the Taycan's much nicer cockpit pretty much makes it a landslide victory if you actually want any luxury, comfort and style. But then again that's just the perspective of someone who hasn't been inside and can't afford either one anyway.
Both cars are expensive and if I’m spending that much it would have to be the Taycan!!
In terms of luxury, there is no comparison. In one you can see the road though the gapes on the doors, on the other you don't even ear the road noise.
"see the road though the gapes on the doors" WTF stop with the idiotic lies.
What are your eyes made of? please donate it to science.
What about the 16 month wait to get a Tycan delivered. Way too long to keep interest alive
There are 3 sitting out front of Porsche here in Colorado Springs . Well as of a week ago anyway
For me the joker is in FSD. That's why I wouldn't buy any other car than a Tesla. It may still be 1-2 years away (with FSD I mean no hands on wheel at any time). At least with Tesla it seems to be within reasonable reach. For any other manufacturer it's more like: not even in the horizon.
What do you think of Openpilot and NVidia's robotaxi hardware with 2000 TOPS?
having that extra range is a luxury. More range = saved time at the charging station. Time = money.
IMO: Porche intentionally reduced their EPA range to match how they expect the car to be used. 200 miles of Porche level driving. Rather than 250 miles of Prius level driving.
It's over 300 miles with Prius-level driving.
Well, EPA originally gave Taycan Turbo S a rating of 200 miles and Porsche voluntarily reduced it by 8 miles to 192 miles It's about the same on Tesla's side, where during model S testing, EPA left the door open overnight resulting in 2% charge being lost. During Model 3 EPA test, Tesla voluntarily lowered EPA range figures by 24 miles.
Porsche didn't intentionally reduce EPA numbers. They even hired an independent agency to retest the Taycan in a bid to prove EPA wrong. Stop spreading false information online.
@@KyleHubb Just read the news. They did reduce the range. Probably just to make people think that EPA ratings are wrong and so are the Model S EPA ratings
Tesla is around for quite good time. Which we almost know everything about it and we do love it. We how reliable, how practical it is. And on top of the the wonderful autopilot which so far non is close to. Why should to risk and get something new that we know nothing much about!
An Autopilot/assistance system is not limited to electric cars though. Still waiting for that 1 million self driving robotaxis in 2020 as promised.
EV sale are struggling. I don’t see them selling mainstream for a looooong time.
Tesla or Evs overall?
What?! The Tesla is gorgeous & I love that the look hasn't changed drastically, it will still look good many years from now. Like the BMW, a consistent look adds design value. Compare that with Mercedes that changes their look drastically, you'll have a young but really outdated looking car in no time (except with the G wagon of course)
I don't think we can compare cars anymore without discussing the technology offered by the car. I don't mean just UI. I mean, functionality via your car's software. I'm talking over-the-air updating that improves not only your interface to the car, but can actually improve the performance in some cases. Creating a dash cam and sentry mode using the car's cameras. Yes, even dog mode among other features. Again, all added in an over-the-air update.
Tesla offcourse.
Couple of things wrong with this Road Show (and I haven't even seen the entire video yet). So, kudos for even doing the comparison, and giving us geeks something to read on the weekend. You compared the Taycan Turbo S's Range (250-300 real world mi) to the Model S LR's projected 390+ miles. That's not an apples to apples comparison, as the Raven P/Cheetah would be a more apt comparison. Furthermore, we know, Tesla's rarely meet their EPA figures in the real world. By that measure, the Taycan 4S (not even a long range) has achieved 381 real world projected range by You Tuber The Autobahn Specialist. So, you may give the nod to the Tesla if you like. However, the disparities no where near what you mentioned (such as the Next Move's and Car and Driver H2H range test between the two). You compared the The Taycan Turbo S's real world acceleration with Tesla's manuf listing. You did this despite the fact the Top Model S models has not beaten any Taycan Turbo S in H2H's. So, the nod should have went to the Taycan (at worst even). And it really goes to the Taycan when you consider various acceleration runs, and/or duration. That was a careless mistake on your part IMO. You mentioned the Taycan handles better than the Model S. However, the Taycan also has a more comfortable ride and versatile suspension than the Model S as well. That's important to, especially for a car that handles noticeable better than the one it's being compared to. It means, you don't get a trade off as with the Model 3P (harsh ride) or the Model S's more wafting, pillow-like ride when pushed. The Tesla's, only a "luxury" car in price only. It certainly isn't for it's interior or customer service/repair. Unfortunately, I didn't finish the video, and have to run an errand now. But you get the gist. They're both great cars in their own way. However/IMO, the Porsche's the superior vehicle in a multiplicity of ways. Why doesn't Road Show arrange a H2H between the two vehicles?
Bjorn Nyland has got 390+ miles of range on Model S at 90kmph
For porsche money I’ll get a real performance ev which is the Tesla Roadster and actually go on long road trips with it.
Pie in the sky...
@Zayd Mohammad How can you compare the driving dynamics of the Taycan with the roadster, when the roadster isn't even out yet? You have *NO IDEA* what the driving dynamics of it are going to be like. This is a performance focused car, unlike the Model S which is a GT (Gran Tourismo) which is really a fast luxury sedan.
That will be the plaid mode Tesla model S design to take on the Tycan.The roadster is not coming out until 2022
Taycan is the best EV in the world
Not even close, can't even beat the model 3 in a 55km race
Comparing a Tesla to a Porsche?!
Porsche for me ....
Tesla has a launch mode, ludicrous mode.
The Taycan also has a launch mode.
Long term potential issues with Taycan: battery and gearbox. Extremely expensive repair and maintenance services. I would wait for a Tesla Roadster.
I doubt they'll have any issues here. The battery has an 8 year warranty and Porsche makes the best gearbox in the industry (PDK).
Douglas York II , there are many equivalent dual-clutch gearboxes like the PDK. It is hard to compare reliability with DSG, as there are much more VW cars and the average Porsche are low mileage. Regarding batteries, time will tell, but my guess is that we will see capacity drop within the next 2-3 years. Huge load on a small number of cells will pay the price.
footballcoreano , you meant 1st generation Roadster, which was a PoC car, not Model S class.
I trust Porsche engineers have crafted a solid product. The know a little bit about performance vehicles. PDK is the one of, if not the, best on the market. Other companies have dual clutch, but nothing is equivalent. Your "guess" about capacity? What are your guesses based on? And what experience or data do you have that a brand new model Roadster will be any good? That car is still a myth at this point, along with all the claims to it.
Not to mention the battery has an 8y/100k miles warranty and the entire vehicle (including powertrain) is 4y/50k.
I have driven both cars and own a Model 3 Performance, for me this review is bang on the money. The only thing it misses is the UX of the Taycan, it's awful, I just got bored navigating endless "tiny" screens. The Taycan is beautiful in the flesh though, you can't see it in videos, trust me it blows the Tesla away on looks. For me, the Model 3 is just SOOOO easy to own and park and insure and out-accelerate everything else without having to play with buttons or screens or launch. As a day to day driver, a Model 3 is the winner, not either of the cars in the video.
Spot on, many of today’s owners value software and UI. Porsche menus and buttons are now feeling archaic. They’ve got an amazing look and handling but that software UX is going to be more of a factor going forward Germany needs to step up the software game.
It's a porsche. It have to be expensive.
And there you have it. The Tesla design is dated AF. Quality materials and compelling design indeed.
The 911 design is about 50 years old at this point, people don't whine about that. The e-type Jag is from the 60's, people still think it's beautiful. The model S still looks awesome today - it's just not "new". It looks very similar to Aston Martins & Maseratis, and I don't hear people whining about THEM looking "long in the tooth".
Remember... The common man is subsidizing these toys, which only sell to rich nerds who think 200 miles of range is "plenty".
- If there is subsidy, then both common and un-common man subsidize it. - Your gas is subsidised, in fact to a much much larger extend.
EVs are subsidized in order to get people into them and out of ICE, because the climate crisis, in case you haven't heard. And even disregarding the climate crisis, there are plenty of studies showing the health detriments of automobile exhaust in cities & near residences. We all win in the switch to EVs, so considering all the things the government subsidizes, at least this is a benefit to people.
@@archigoel That is a very underrated statement. People don't even realize that oil and gas is the most profitable industry and also the most subsidized. How's that for irony, not mention that, at in the case of the US, just received billions in bailout do to the pandemic.
The Taycan could get me back and forth to work ~3 times before needing a charge. That is plenty for most, especially since it will most likely be 'full' at the start of each day.
Anything ev is better than gas
Both are good looking but no way does the S look old in or out ESPECIALLY since the majority of people have never been in one.
Porsche has always been a master of handling. I's still get Tesla for constant updates and lots of superchargers. S can be your daily car and your weekend sports car. Taycan can not. Tesla is also upgrading the propulsion and battery very soon. It'll be no contest very soon.