Sean Anthony - The Historical Muhammad
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Sean Anthony of The Ohio State University presents a webinar on "The Historical Muhammad"
Michigan State University Muslim Studies Program
Thursday, February 25, 2021
Sean Anthony is Professor of Near Eastern Languages and Cultures at The Ohio State University and Author of Muhammad and the Empires of Faith: The Making of the Prophet of Islam (University of California Press)
Organized by the Muslim Studies Program and cosponsored by the Asian Studies Center; Department of History; Department of Linguistics and German, Slavic, Asian and African Languages; Department of Religious Studies; Global Studies in the Arts and Humanities; James Madison College; and Peace and Justice Studies.
Thanks for this.
A great lecture, I was lucky to attend it! Thanks for uploading it! I was also grateful that you answered my question quiet nicely: 1:27:59 was my Question.
It certainly was and we can all see that Muhammad's cave revelation story is just another example of copying stories from other people's
Taha Wasiq the name of the biblical god is YHWH, being considered holy. Adonai, Eli, was used instead. Many names have that particle (depending on the language, the modification of the original, many factors that came with time) 'He', which means God: Israel (the one who fights with Eli), Isa (Yeshua- Eli saves) Ylias (my god IS YHWH), Isayah, Jeremiah etc. So those who wrote the Qur'an did not know these things, which, to be fair, only a linguist would know. Along with the fact that Isa is called the messiah (Masih), without knowing what the term means. But just as the Jews use the Canaanite term, so pagan 'Eli', all religions have some small big loopholes. Historians say that the verses of the Qur'an were written by believers during Muhammad's sermons. We do not know why Muhammad did not want to make the Qur'an official. That was all his purpose was. Maybe because then he would put it to the test, he didn't know what he said. Tradition says that in Uthman's time the Qur'an was compiled into a book. There is a Qur'an in England that is said to be dated to the years of Muhammad's life, even until he turned 40 (the year 620) when the revelations began. Others say that Mohamd was inspired by an Aryan monk (a form of Christianity that rejects the deity of Jesus, so similar to what Muslims believe) and even wanted a Christian scribe who dictated to him from the Bible. It is clear that he was very familiar with the Judeo-Christian religion, especially since he traveled extensively in the Levant due to the fact that he was a merchant working for his first wife. The big difference between Mohamd the one with a wife and the one after the death of his first wife. If God let him, he could at least make him a bookworm, he could bless him with male descendants - which was very important to the world of his century. There is a lot to say, everyone should believe what they want, as long as they do not force others, but it is better for the idolized characters to remain in a certain legend, so detractors cannot appear ...
@@inquisitivemind007 First of all, it is never safe jumping to conclusions without much skepticism on our own conclusions. I believe that both Muhammad, and Cædmon were related to their teachings: Al Quran and the hymn respectively. However they never narrated the story of their first revelations by themselves. In case of Muhammad, Urwa b. Zubayr, Muhammad's Nephew was the first to report the narrative of the prophet's first revelation in a cave during Abd Al Malik's rule. Incase of Cædmon, it was Bede who was the first to report Cædmon's revelation story in the 8th Century. We have an early manuscript for surah Alaq (first cent. AH): corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/96/vers/1?handschrift=418 However, I am not aware of any early manuscript for Cædmon, in fact the earliest version that I am aware of is ca. 1000 CE, and attribution to Caedmon doubtful, because the poems seem to have been written at different periods and by more than one author! see: www.britannica.com/topic/Caedmon-manuscript Certainly, if one was to copy from another, it was Bede coping from Urwa! The Manuscript of the Quran shared above along with Urwa's letter are witness to the fact that Muhammad's first revelation's narrative was already circulating before Bede began to write Ecclesiastical History ca. 731. The Oldest surviving manuscript of Surah Alaq dates to 7th century CE, and the Urwa's letters date to ca. 692-715 CE, whereas earliest of Cædmon's surviving work is a manuscript of Bede, ca. 800 CE. Therefore I must differ from your conclusions, as it is impossible for an earlier work to be copied from a later one!
@@TahaWasiq Firstly here is the manuscript www.bl.uk/collection-items/bedes-ecclesiastical-history-of-the-english-people secondly Bede wrote about the history of English people and not about a foreigner and especially not just any foreigner but a heretic. Thirdly no cleric in Europe had heard of Muhammad during Bede's time and your telling me only Bede has? I think it's pretty clear that Anglo-Saxon pilgrims to Jerusalam where the ones who bought the story over before Urwa ibn Zubayr and then is made its way down to the biography of Muhammad.
@@inquisitivemind007 nonsensical, fantastical and wishful whimsical speculations on your part. It could very well be that both happen to be a result of coincidences. Your hardlined attempt to discredit the religion is rejected.
The Tayyaye is not the Syriac name of the Arabs rather the name of an ancient Arabian tribe which I belong to, who inhabited the northern region of the Arabian peninsula, the Levant, and Mesopotamia and because of their vast numbers, they called all Arabs Tayaye (Tayy’ طيء).
Any good documentation on the tribe ?
The Syriac sources seem to use Tayyaye to describe Arab raiders from inner Arabia and not the semi-nomadic or settled Arabs of the regions you are describing.
Fantastic talk! Never heard the bede story before.
Really interesting, and of course makes a lot of sense. What an interesting time to live !
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A question to all who believe in the authenticity of the Hadith: How many sentences you can remember if you what your own father has said?
Couldn't the Venerable Bede's knowledge of the story of Muhammad come via returning mercenary soldiers fighting for the Franks against the Muslims in France in the early 8th century? The battle of Tour was in 732 AD. This might be worth investigating.
Bede’s History was completed in 731. But you’re still possibly onto something as Occitaine in France was ruled by the Umayyad Caliphate from 719-759. They even held Avingnon for a period. I have no doubt that monks, priests and other literate Europeans wrote each other frequently even though little of the correspondence survives today.
historical criticism must also involve outside sources, apart from the Islamic sources..
They can be helpful but we also have to remember outside sources likely won't have as good information as inside sources (being further away they might not have good sources themselves and may be relaying hearsay, rumor, etc....outside sources may also be hostile etc.). These sources can be helpful for seeing how they were seen at the time or as supporting evidence (if outside and inside sources agree it builds a stronger case, though of course the outside source could simply be relaying false info gotten from the inside sources). With outside sources one must take caution, though they can be helpful and provide other insights and viewpoints.
He literally cites non Islamic sources in his lecture (and his book).
If i want to know about christianity i will not find information in hindu source
What outside sources should be used?
If we apply this to all ancient historical figures out there I bet all of them would be classified as tale
1:23:58 --- Great answer regarding Hadith...
The climate change scientists have stated that the Aborigines in Australia have oral traditions, WHICH CONFIRMED THEIR RESEARCH, THAT THE EARTH HAS GONE THROUGH CLIMATE CHANGE BEFORE. ALSO THE AMERICAN INDIANS HAVE ORAL TRADITIONS WHICH WAS PROVEN TO BE CORRECT BY USING DNA TESTING,TO IDENTIFY THEIR ANCESTOR, AND DISPROVE THE CLAIM THAT THE BODY WHICH WAS TESTED WAS THAT OF A EUROPEAN. I GAVE THESE EXAMPLES, WHICH WERE DISCLOSED ON THE BBC TO EMPHASIZE THAT " ORAL TRADITIONS CAN AND HAVE BEEN VERY ACCURATE ". SO THE HADITH WHICH WENT THROUGH RIGOROUS EXAMINATION, CAN BE TRUSTED, ESPECIALLY WHEN ONE OF THE CONTROLS WAS " LOOKING AT THE LINE OF TRANSMITTERS OF THESE ORAL TRADITIONS ". THE CHRISTIANS TRIED THIS ALSO BUT THE ROMAN EMPIRE DESTROYED THEIR WORK.
Montanus a Christian prophet was originally an idol worshipper; claimed to be the prophet that Jesus pointed to; Montanus seems to fit a very similar story; Montanus also recieved revelations from the spirit; and wrote books and poems. Montanus was a prophet to the whole church nearly and was followed until into the 6 century.
Where is Cadman's book? He wrote a poem? His biography says "he was a poet". What is the nature of the poem in comparison to other hymns?
Why were all the earliest Muslim buildings built to point NORTH to Wadi Musa/Petra/Nabateans???
The story could have gone to Europe from bin Nawfal or by Jews sometime during the 23yrs of Prophets life?
The concept of overnight transformation would not be new to anyone familiar with Prophet's of the past. Moses receives a sudden revelation too. Did Caedmon read Bible?
"Caedmon's hymn survives ONLY in manuscripts of Bede's (book) which recounts the poem as part of an elaborate miracle-story" Ref: Wiki: Caedmon Hymn origins 1 source, 2nd hand author, not even an eye-witness, decades after the "event" and AFTER Muhammad's story.
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the man from tayayye still giving us problem
What do you mean?
This proves islam is men made religion. Mutah marriage in quran Al lah said So those of them [women] whom you enjoy, give to them their appointed wages' (S4:24). what do you enjoy it, my friend? Narrated Ali': I said to ibn 'Abbas, "during the battle of khaibar the prophet a.s forbade (Nikah)Al-mut'a and the eating of donkey's meat." Sahih Al Bukhari 5115 YES! al lah's word was abrogated by men? YES! quran and hadith were written by clowns. in al lah's paradise who owns the vigina of wife Zainab, my friend?
@@seeki3315 All religions are a human construction. As if Judaism and Christianity are not!?!😂
@@Zarghaam12 remove Islam, muhammad, sharia and blasphemy laws, must be abrogated. then peace will come, my friend Blasphemy in Islam is impious utterance or action concerning God, but is broader than in normal English usage, including not only the mocking or vilifying of attributes of Islam but denying any of the fundamental beliefs of the religion. Examples include denying that the Quran was divinely revealed, the prophethood of one of the Islamic prophets, insulting an angel, or maintaining God had a son. Apostasy in Islam Blasphemy law Blasphemy law in Afghanistan Blasphemy law in Algeria Blasphemy law in Bangladesh Blasphemy law in Egypt Blasphemy law in Indonesia Blasphemy law in Iran Blasphemy law in Jordan Blasphemy law in Malaysia Blasphemy in Pakistan Blasphemy law in Saudi Arabia Blasphemy law in the United Arab Emirates Blasphemy law in Yemen let ask you a quastion, my friend why u believe guy like muhammmad?
@@Zarghaam12 Only Muslims can understand?! who did punch muhammad's face and broken 2 front teeth? caused the origin of 7 qirats, my friend the different between Qiraats and the Quran. show me 7 different qiraats samples, my friend, if not your quran is corrupted . were qiraats one word with 7 meaning or one meaning with 7 words? so who was 1st reciter's name, my friend? Narrated `Abdullah bin `Abbas: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Gabriel recited the Qur'an to me in one way. Then I requested him (to read it in another way), and continued asking him to it in other ways, and he recited it in several ways till he ultimately recited it in seven different ways." It was narrated that Ibn Abbas said: Concerning the words of Allah, the Mighty and Sublime: "Seven of Al-Mathani (seven repeatedly-recited): "The seven long ones." Grade : Hasan (Darussalam) in the battle of Uhud where the prophet pbuh was injured and his helmet pierced through his face into his jaw, resulting in the loss of a tooth/teeth.
"Mhmd" in the Dome of the rock is not a name! It literally means "praised is". Praised is the prophet of Gud=محمد رسول الله
Bede copied the use of AD and made it popular.
Mate, Bede is a historian in the modern sense in the same way ibn Ishak is! Are you a historian? i do agree that we should be careful to note historians today are not BETTER inherently bt we must note everyones patrons , religious and social beliefs and analytical systems. You vaguely note this things bt do not explain how it will impact their material on a granular level
So I’m on 30 mins and this is a Random unrelated bundle of facts - a random fact bomb. Wht do you think? Where is your overlay of analysis? Sorry, I could t bear to read of a book of this.
Nothing of Zubayr exists so I dont understand why this is brought up as evidence unless I am mistaken. Plus he wasnt even alive during the time and so would be going on what his elders were saying, which would have been politically compromised to begin with. Personally I think all Hadith are pointless. Even if there is 1 sentence that is true we would still have to doubt the context of it and recognize it from the 99+ that are false. Plus we have no idea where Mecca actually is. Its certainly not in the location of modern day Mecca. Furthermore, the Arabian peninsula and the ME in general was not pagan or monotheist. It was Jewish, Zoroastrian, Christian, Manichaeist etc. By the 4th century Britain had become Christian and not pagan and that was effectively the otherside of the world. So why wouldnt Arabia have been prosletyzed by then? I think paganism is used as an insult to justify what was to come.
By 8th century Islam (and story of Muhammad) has reached India, turkey, Nimes in France @725ad, central Asia, china @751ad. Bede (a very knowledgeable British monk) died in 735ad. There is a very very high likelihood he copy & pasted Muhammad's story onto Caedmon to start documenting English history since Europe was in dark ages under Paulinism.
Mecca 🕋 does situate right place, a desolate place people had to do trade for sustenance , it wasn’t very wealthy place but humble that is the tradition narrative. Traditional narratives are more rational than the radicle biased frustrated western critics who couldn’t prove anything but try to cast doubts. The are mostly envious of the credibility of traditional sources proven by scientific analysis. Islam was the most progressive concept in the Middle Ages. I am not claiming it now because the modern age is for scientifically and rationally evaluation and undoubtedly superior in moral standards. Evaluate islam by the context of the standards of the time it was initiated. It was fine then.
What was AMAZING is the *PRESERVATION* of the Semitic Language for the Quranic Arabic. Hijaz simply means PROTECTED
According to wiki Caedmon only lived till age 27. He was a poet. He was born 25yrs after death of Prophet Muhammad. So by the time he was 18yrs old it was 43yrs since Prophet's death and 66yrs since Prophet narrated his cave event story. Also did caemdon recurve "revelation" after that first one? Did he claim prophethood? Let's analyze his poetry? LoL.
Comparison of Caedmon and Muhammad: 1. Caedmon withdraws from society, in order to find solitude. 2. Caedmon falls asleep. 3. Caedmon receives a vision of an angel. 4. The angel commands Caedmon to recite. 5. Caedmon protests that he cannot. 6. The angel again commands Caedmon to recite. 7. Caedmon asks what he is to recite. 8. The angel tells him to sing of Creation. 9. Caedmon recites the hymn. 10. Learned Christian scholars validate the experience. 1. Muhammad withdraws from society, in order to find solitude. 2. Muhammad falls asleep. 3. Muhammad receives a vision of an angel. 4. The angel commands Muhammad to recite. 5. Muhammad protests that he cannot. 6. The angel again commands Muhammad to recite. 7. Muhammad asks what he is to recite. 8. The angel tells him to sing of the Creator. 9. Muhammad recites the Quran. 10. A learned Christian scholar validates the experience.
Caedmon died 50 years after Muhammad's death. Also this is a eurocentric worldview with a recency bias that takes for granted a powerful Europe; on the contrary, in 7th century, Britain and northern Europe were the backwaters of the world, while Syria and eastern Byzantine lands were the center of the universe; the odds of a story close to Syria getting to northern Europe because of higher erudition is much more than the other way round.
@@postyoda1623 Muhammad cave revelation story was told 50 years after Caedmon's death by Zuhri kzhead.info/sun/mbuwadaeiH2KpHk/bejne.html who was based in Jerusalem - the same place Caedmon's story would have reached.
@@inquisitivemind007 It was first mentioned by Urwah ibn Zubayr who relayed the story from Aisha. Go to 38:00 and look at point 1. So the event is written earlier than Caedmon. Zuhri is relaying Zubayrs account and so forth. Did you even watch the seminar at all?
@@chrisdovrik2894 and have you read his book? Stories with angels visiting someone in a cave was common kzhead.info/sun/frSHgMxriHOtnpE/bejne.html and around before Aisha - nothing special about that. An example can be found in the blog section underneath this video kzhead.info/sun/qLiye6WfZHybeKc/bejne.html. Zuhri version is a beefed up version which he took from pilgrims to Jerusalam.
@@inquisitivemind007 Prophet Muhammad was not the only one to see Gibraeel, he was seen by Sahaba in Medinah (see Hadeeth Jibraeel). If Muhammad copped Caedmon that's still presuming the story reached Muhammad and no one but Muhammad the illetrate man knew of it. That doesn't make sense. The story is written in 731 (100yrs after Muhammads death) by that time the story of Muhammad could not have gone to Europe where Bede plagiarized it to make up his own folklore about his people's past? The European devils have always stolen from and stolen other people's stuff. Bede is also not reliable just wiki him to realize how much of bullshitter he was. Straw-maning is a common tactic ls of the kuffar. The Jehovahs Witnesses use same tactics by saying Joseph Smith was comparable to Muhammad etc. Yea right, after the fact? No one is buying connect-the-dots approach of these scholars. A serious scholar making such accusations needs to be evaluated carefully statement by statement, pause, cross-reference and see the weakness of their foundations.
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A man writing a story about another man who lived (or died?) 100yrs prior? First of all is the source authentic and reliable. Ribbon hood (and other,) like stories are also found on various cultures. Let's check the story. Let's see what that man did about himself.
"Ribbon hood, Ribbon hood, He's not in this bit..." - apologies to Monty Python.
@@Simon.the.Likeable typos
How can the qoran be a copy? How can it be made up? I saw a video about a text about Pharao's and Kings. It is writing about that one Pharao that should be preserved for humanity to ahow it, and yes his body was still intact. It writes about Kings, in some certain text, and is corrwcting even the bible because they call it Pharao's. While the qoran was right, there was a difference period, with in one time Pharao's and in another period Pharao's and this text was right about it. The comes a text 'sun' and then the last word 'sun' in the book, all the words of the surahs or verses together between it gives the number Kelvin of the sun, the boiling point of the sun. Also with iron, it is in the middle of the book somewhere in the middle of a page, like they send it 'in the earth' again there are referrings to numbers that show the Kelvin point of iron in the core of the earth. Now how can one measure the boiling points of the inner earth and inner sun come on. And there are thousands of impoasible miracles with mathematical connections. All the surahs together show even the name Allah, like the content view of a book. All the religions named the creator ilah/ aalah, Allah. From Tengri till now. Yes Jesus also. The new made up name God never existed in history and is also never spoken out by Jesus. It is literally not the word of Jesus. All the religions are also Turkic. Abraham is a Sumerian Turk, not a semite? Not a jew? There does not even exist a racial etnically jewisch folk? 100% not. Mozes, Jesus and Muhammed are Turks. Gene D. Matlock - What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico?
Hadith is trash. The Quran say the Angel came and stood two bow lengths away he didn’t force him or choke or grab him according to the Quran Surah 53.
Your understanding is trash with your credibility - it is talking about isra-wal-miraj not the revelation of cave.
He seems to be scared of saying anything that might offend Muslims when he talks about Hadith
😂😂 so stupid
yes, it can’t be his actual opinion! he must be trying to not offend the muslims! it’s inconceivable that he simply just has an opinion that muslims will find agreeable!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!
Yes, he doesn't want to be beheaded!
@@user-kp8wp6lv5h so what you're fear mongering is that there is an atmosphere where scholars have to agree with the Islamic narrative, otherwise they fear assassination? Did you know that Hythem Sidky directly addressed this once when he was asked and said that there is no such thing going on? Also, if this is the case, how do you explain the handful of revisionist scholars who remain today? or just when any scholar , revisionist or otherwise, says something that Islam might find objectionable?
@@unhingedconnoisseur164 Thay are the brave ones.
What 's kind of history is that only islamic's sources. No artefacts no outside sources but chain of transmission is not serious
What do you mean by only Islamic sources? He is showing the parallels between a story in a non-Islamic source and an Islamic source.
I mean historical sources not a book of faith. For example no geographiczl map if mecca at the time. No one except muslims heard about a so call prophet mohamet.
@@shakazulu8254 I'm afraid that is not true. Here is a non-Muslim source mentioning Muhammad kzhead.info/sun/ZruPc6uIqqWYhK8/bejne.html and kzhead.info/sun/YNSiYbWIkIpqoYU/bejne.html
@@Speakers154 you can be the next guess SC and explain you lame duck idea about iyas ibn qabisah is the real Muhammad.
@@inquisitivemind007 The same source that doctor Moore fooled by saoudi government ibwish a false translation of the qu'ran regarding embryology.
So whats being said is that Prophet Muhammad's story in the cave is copied from Caedmon but it cant be the other way around because no arabian lore could have travelled to Northumbria. You dont realize that the same can be said the other way around: specifically, how could the anglosaxon story reach arabia? 😂😂 if people from one part of the world didnt know the other surely the other didnt know about the latter as well. Such fallacious fantasies. Why does anyone take this serious. Secondly, Prophet Muhammad and his cave story predate Caedmon. Thirdly, its likely the case that the similarity is purely coincidental. Take for instance, the "Gabriel Revelation" story is three-foot-tall stone tablet from the first century B.C. that prophecized a messiah before Jesus; he was said to ressurect after 3 days, some claim he was Simon Peraea. Does this mean Jesus stpry is stolen from Peraea or inspired by the stone tablet?? We could even go into Mithras Doctrine which has similar story as Jesus: miraculous birth, born on December 25th, salvation in the shedding of blood, water miracles, sign of the cross, etc. Are we know going to legitimize this story and claim that Jesus' story was taken from Mithras. Trying so hard to discredit Islam. Gimme a break. 😂😂
Isaiah prophesied of the suffering servant. In isaiah 49-55 in 700BCs. Moses prophesied Jesus in 1450BCs. So the list goes on. Its so awesome whenever anyone doesn’t like any idea they will blame Jesus as if it answers their problems.
Anglo-Saxon pilgrims to Jerusalem were common as we find in the travel diary of the Anglo-Saxon pilgrim en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willibald This is what the Arab said to the Anglo-Saxon pilgrim and his group found in his travel diary "...I have often seen men coming from those part of the world (England), fellow countrymen of theirs" Bringing the story over to Jerusalem by pilgrims before Ibn Ishaq's time is definitely possible and it working it's way down to Al-Zuhri who had a Christian source named Ibn Natura is also possible.
@@inquisitivemind007 nice story but highly unlikely, many scholars talked about prophet muhammad's story before zuhri; secondly, caedmon happens a little after prpphet muhammad; thirdly how do we know that those pilgrims didnt get inspired by prophet muhammad propehcy and take it back to their hometown and fabricate a story of their own;
@@dom3073 The Anglo-Saxon pilgrims wouldn't like Muhammad because he speaks against Jesus being divine and his followers have conquered Christian lands. If the Anglo-Saxons brought Muhammad’s story back to England then someone must have written about him - that there was a a guy named Muhammad who claimed to be a prophet etc. No religious leader in Europe at the time of Bede had heard of Muhammad. Even if Bede wanted to base a story on someone, he had so many Christian monk stories he could have used. Making the case that none of the Christian monk stories Bede knew were good enough but the story of this Muhammad who speaks against Jesus being divine (hence becomes a heretic) - that’s the best story and he (Bede) is going to use that doesn’t hold water. On the other hand Islam is already guilty of copying Christian stories: Seven Sleepers of Ephesus.
@@inquisitivemind007 So youre saying this idea was stolen from Caedmon and backprojected into Islam by Zuhri and/or other people which is impossible, his name is huge and many muslims from other sects would have been glad to bring him down for the accusation of fabricating stories about the prophet whenever they could. Moreover, apparently there are other traditions all over the world that researchers have drawn parallel analogues from all around the world, including Africa, India, Bible, other parts of Europe, "including biblical and classical literature, stories told by the aboriginal peoples of Australia, North America and the Fiji Islands, mission-age accounts of the conversion of the Xhosa in Southern Africa, the lives of English romantic poets, and various elements of Hindu and Muslim scripture and tradition" (Wiki Caedmon sourced from: Good reviews of analogue research can be found in Pound 1929, Lester 1974, and O'Donnell 2005.) Apparently his story matches accounts from people across the entire world. 😂😂 well what do you know.🤣🤣 It has also been found that his story makes possible onomastic allusion with another figure Adam Kadmon " 'Adam Kadmon' in the poet's name, perhaps suggesting that the entire story is allegorical.[12]" ( O'Hare 1992, pp. 350-351)
The prophets are « Hebrew » 😵💫🤪🤓
HEBREW is a Language which refers to People of Dialect from the other side of the river (Tigris). Bani Israel is after JOB and there are many other prophets before JOB Hebrew-Aramaic-Syriac-Arabic-etc are sister language of the Semitic people
David's mother was not hebrew. Try again another fantasia.
Not Arabic !
هولاء المستشرقون لا يبحثون عن الحقيقة و لكن هم لهم اعتقادات مسبقة معادية للاسلام و يستخدمون لغة البحث العلمي و التزييف و التحريف لاثبات تلك المعتقدات, و هم لا يختلفون في شئ عن الاسلوب الذي اتبعته الفرق الباطنية عبر التاريخ الاسلامي بتفسيراتها المنحرفة للنصوص لتأكيد معتقداتهم, ولذا تجد هولاء المستشرقون يستشهدون باقوال الفرق المنحرفة الباطنية او غلاء الشيعة و لا يهتمون كثيراً من مصادر الاسلام الاصلية, فالمسلمون يتبعون الدليل و هولاء المستشرقون يتبعون الهوي, و لا يعملون بالقاعدة التي بني عليها علماء الاسلام العلم الاسلامي و هي "اذا كنت مدعياً فالدليل, و ان كنت ناقلاً فالصحة" اي اذا كنت تدعي شيئاً فعليك اثباته بالدليل المناسب له سواء كان دليل عقلي او تجريبي او احصائي مرصود, و ان كنت تنقل خبر عن النبي عليه الصلاة و السلام او شئ عن اخبار الغيب او الاسلام فعليك اثبات صحة النقل بتقديم سلسلة الاسانيد و عرض الكلام علي اصول المسلمين العقدية والفقهية و استخدم علوم الحديث في بحثها اما لقبولها او دحضها, هولاء المستشرقون يستخدمون الاساليب الادبية و تحليل النصوص غيرها التي استخدموها في دراسة الاناجيل ثم يجمعونها مع شذرات من مخطوطات مشكوك فيها و يفترضون قصة او رواية ثم ينسجون احداث خيالية و بناء حبكة قصصية و تغليفها بلغة البحث العلمي للتلبيس علي عقول الناس, و من اراد فهم نصوص الاسلام فعليه دراسة و استخدام علوم اصول الفقه و الدين و من اراد دراسة صحة مصادر الاسلام فعليه دراسة علوم الحديث, وغير ذلك من الاساليب فهي علوم زائفة لا طائل منها
You hv not said anything surprising or interesting for an hour.
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LOL
Lots of errors
ibn Hisham admits he has omitted from his history certain events that he found offensive/scandalous and other events that, if mentioned/written, would have made some people upset. This is a damning admission for a historian to make. In my opinion it renders his entire biography of muhammad a best extremely biased, and at worst utterly useless.
But we know Muhammad with this so called biased biography and have nothing else to go against.... And Muslim have a very sophisticate way of accepting or rejecting hadith and stories which is very close to modern scholarship.
@John Romanos I absolutely agree with you, especially on the last two words of your comment. Ibn Hisham took over the records of the allegedly disturbed Ibn Ishaq and changed them to his liking (as did Imam Bukhari, by the way, with his original 600,000+ hadiths). Please note: Ibn Hisham is said to have written a biography of an imaginary man "Muhammad", of whom history reports absolutely nothing, who lived 150 to 200 years before him and with whose companions he could not even speak. Ibn Hisham lived in Basra (today Iraq) and also worked in Egypt (both at a distance of about 1400 kilometers (870 miles). This I consider comparable to a scenery in which - without any history books, internet, skype, etc. - I am supposed to write a biography about Napoleon from another part of the world. An impossible thing to do. One can conclude that nothing in the world is more inauthentic and untrustworthy than Islamic scriptures, which are all based on myths, legends, fairy tales and otherwise from cruelly altered and deliberately sexualized Aramaic Bible texts, Infancy Gospels and other apocrypha.
Can you tell me who mark, John, Luke etc were. When did they invent the Bible. I mean the year
@@StatisticalCat First, the New Testament was not "invented" but written down as a life account and biography of Jesus with his teachings under divine inspiration. Second, Matthew and John were eyewitnesses of Jesus. Mark, who while himself not a disciple was the companion of Peter, who was. Luke was the companion of Paul, the author of the Pauline Epistles. These letters were most likely written during the height of Paul's missionary activity, between 50 and 58 AD, so about only 20 years after Jesus’ death on the cross. If we now compare this with the history of the Quran, the differences are obvious. From the 7th century, only biblical texts are known so far (Birmingham manuscript), which were mistakenly considered as Quranic texts. All other incomplete manuscripts of early Islam dated to periods between the 8th and 12th centuries - so centuries after the fact. No one knows when the first complete Quran was compiled, which, by the way, was repeatedly changed over the centuries, until 1924 (1300 years after Muhammad!!). NOTHING in Islam is historically verifiable and documented - not even the galleon figure of Islam, a caravan robber from the Arabian desert named Qutham ibn al-Al-Lat with the self-appointed name "Muhammad" (The Praised One), which was a mere title anyway, due only to God Himself: JESUS CHRIST.
@@Indah-tjs Try some real scholarship and stop propagating BS...
The Egyptian Hagar was the mother of Ismael whose father was Abraham. Which 1 of these 3 was an Arab? None! Muhammad is not even a name.
Ismial was in Arabia. 25,For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
@@iqbalswati4786 Actually, the Saudi family is Jewish origin. When a Jew or a Christian ( a new Jew ) falls from the truth, which is the God of Israel , he gets into bondage , which is the paganism, al Lah= the moon god of the Egyptian Hagar.
@@tyh3120 you are totally ignorant of religion, let me ask you when jesese was on the cross to whome he was crying for help, ALOH, what is the name of GOD in aramic.Alah. The same root word Allah,
@@iqbalswati4786 Al Lah is the God of the King David from Abraham or the moon god of the Giant Goliath, the pagan Philistin= the Palestinien ?
@@tyh3120 let me know you, are you Hindu, Christian or jew?
Orientalist take
Typical response by Muslim apologists
@@inquisitivemind007 typical response by orientalist apologist
@@simacan1266 you may not be aware but angels visiting holy men in caves was around before Muhammad kzhead.info/sun/frSHgMxriHOtnpE/bejne.html
Occidentalist objection; REJECTED
Sean Anthony is being selective when referring to az zhuri and urwah ibn zubayr. None of their works exist just like ibn Ishaq's original work. Then he said the satanic verses is a myth even though the story originated from them
I tought for a long while those letters from Urwah to Abd Malik where considered authentic by scholars. But i was just reading Wiki and it states most of the content of the letters come from Al Tabari. If there is one guy whos legacy whe should take with a pinch of salt it is Al Tabari. Wiki states precisly: Urwa's letters to the caliphs Abd al-Malik and al-Walid, which he wrote in response to their queries, have been reported to the fullest in the History and the Tafsir of al-Tabari (d. 923), although to a lesser extent also in earlier works of Ibn Ishaq (d. 767), al-Waqidi (d. 823), Ibn Sa'd (d. 844/845), Ibn Hanbal, and Umar ibn Shabba (d. 875), which contain excerpts and references to these letters. Some letters, however, only appear in al-Tabari's works. The letters have not survived in the documentary form nor has their exact wording been preserved, due to the process of oral transmission. Nine letters in total have been reported through three different chains of transmission from Hisham, al-Zuhri, and Abu al-Zinad, a mawla (freedman) of the family of Caliph Uthman. However, not all are transmitted through each of these isnads So what you stated is quete corrrect. At the end of the day, im afraid Patricia Crone was right when she said: We will never know how the Ummayads remembered there Prophet.