Jordan Peterson - Population Collapse Is Coming
2023 ж. 28 Нау.
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Jordan Peterson responds to Elon Musk's population collapse prediction. What is the global population doing? Does Jordan Peterson think there are too many people on the earth? Are Elon Musk's population collapse and population decline predictions going to happen?
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I haven't put my finger on things having said that that the stop please has never crossed my mind the doctor is right. quite an appalling concept though I don't believe I'm the only person on the planet let's obnoxious wriggle through my mind like a parasitic worm when I was feeling my worst that it has beset as a person in man's mind it kind of self-loathing that can't be ignored. and like all bad ideas it comes from the top down.
@RED PILL PORTAL Who are they?
My theory is that population growth drops rapidly as soon as your society requires both parents to work. For the society to have children at a replacement rate, the economy needs to support a stay at home parent, or people will think it's too hard to have children.
YES
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My theory is that you have no idea how the world works in general
My school literally taught us in 10th grade that an ageing population is a bigger concern than overpopulation at this point
an ageing population isnt a problem if we expect life expectancy to increase.
Really ?
that isn't a problem just make energy prices higher. this increases eldery death rate stealthily due to hypothermia. the yearly birthrate is already declining every year. just wait till 2050 when population will decrease
I hadnt really considered it that way. I was always under the impression that the overpopulation issue stemed from having to accomodate enough potable water sources, livable space, and food produce without overexhausting the food and space and water we have past a certain point. If thats incorrect then they need to make sure people are correctly informed on this.
I see no problem with a reducing population. It gives another species a chance to become dominate.
There are very powerful groups who want to ensure people are misinformed. Watch what they are trying to make you believe.
They crapped on the youngs for so long. We got crushed. And now theyre confused why we can't afford families?
@Chuck Scott your argument makes zero sense. Neither parent pays child support when adopted. If the dad has more custody and has the kids over 50%. Mom has to pay child support. It’s literally the exact same for both. . . Also both men and women can relinquish custody. My uncle did that to not pay child support.
@Chuck Scott Now that I read your point o view, I'm even more sure that men have to pay child support, or go in jail if they don't.
“Alexandre @Chuck Scott It's called being held accountable. Otherwise, you do you sh*t and walk away freely to continue being an as*hole.” As long as women have the right to abortion, men shouldn’t be forced to pay child support. And as long as a mother doesn’t have to pay child support to the adoptive parents when she puts her child up, men shouldn’t have to pay child support.
Maybe "too many people" simply means too many in the workforce thereby making their work undervalued. Maybe with a smaller population, people will start earning the kinds of money that allows them to raise children.
- @ThePathStrider - Hmmmm ? ? ?
The problem is that nothing guarantees the decline just doesn't keep going. Eventually it becomes a problem. This goes really fast because it's exponential decline. Hopefully there is a negative feedback loop to prevent it. Then there would be no real problem.
@Heogu no because women these days would make awful housewives and there are men who will take advantage of that system to abuse women.
So let's say....half of people stay in workplaces, and their pay raises (men) and the other half steps out the workplace (women)....and maybe become housewifes? Could this be a solution?
@RED PILL PORTAL honestly humanity probably deserves to die
Most people are afraid they can't afford to live if they have kids because of the ridiculous cost of living is too much.
No, people in the poorest countries have the most kids. It's exactly reversed. The COL crisis in the west is pretty recent, but this trend is decades old. This is bigger than the hype of the day, woch cost of living essentially is.
Not true buddy, the richer people get the less children they have.
Reasons for this phenomenon 1. Shrinking of middle class requiring both parents to work 2. Dramatic increase in cost of having and raising children, particularly cost of education 3. Increase in work culture generally taking more and more available time from families
@Jakki Manzitti even if both parents work 5 days and 40 hours a week the same problem presents itself. It's evident that you can't have a large family under these conditions. One parent would have to tone down their ambition a lot, and most often that is the wife. A working couple may manage 1 or 2 kids but that obviously is beneath replacement level as well. The ideal situation would be a steady state population, but then you need at least a considerable amount of couples to have 3 or more children.
@Pattern Recon exactly what is needed to assure that the population reduces to a global population of 500,000,000.
@D. L. Hemmingway How is it a good thing?
Who cares, it is a good thing. If the Capitalists are worried about workers that's AI and Robotics exist.
Remote work would help solve a lot of this, since it would allow parents to stay at home with the kids and not have to worry about childcare costs. Furthermore, people not going out of the house to go to "work" drastically decreases affairs and increases divorce.
Been aware of this for well over a decade, so many in their late 20s or 30s have no kids, many aren't in relationships, also know many people in their 40s with no kids. Its going to drop off the cliff.
Jordan leans quite heavily into the climate crisis scare for people not having children. I'm sure that's a part of it, and maybe more so for gen x. But I don't think this is the case for millennials. For millennials the biggest issue seems to be money.
@john fogerty "in the system"
Cost of living is out the roof even with two people working. For them to have a baby means one needs to stay home making it even more unaffordable.
The number one reason people are having less children in most countries around the world is through demographic transition. Demographic transition is just a fancy term which means it costs so much money to have a child that people are choosing not to have more than 1 or 2 children.
Yeah, my wife and I have one and there's absolutely no doubt in our minds that one is the right number. We feel very fortunate to have a child at all and even though we're both well educated and have jobs, the short and long term costs of having another child would be too much. Whete I live, having larger families seems to be the preserve of the rich.
The cost is not the big issue. Job security and certainty of a regular income stream over time is the big issue. A single person can have the flexibility to move location for a new job or survive on short rations in hard times if this is needed. A family unit does not have this flexibility. They must stay put whiie the kids are in school and the other partner is still in their job. Children are notoriuosly inflexible when it comes to cutting back on expenses in time of need. This is why many people are not starting families like they used to.
It's expensive to have a kid. Daycare alone is like paying another rent bill.
@Jeff Guo most countries don't have good healthcare and affordable childcare. Only a handful of European countries and Quebec (at the expense of other Canadian provinces) do. Most of the world requires multigenerational families and neighbors to take care of children.
Our country doesn't have public or affordable daycare/preschool like a lot of other countries do. It's a problem that needs to be solved.
Just wait till you need a crib, a stroller, pampers, nutrients, etc Hooo boy!
I grew up w/ my granparents who were married shortly before the Great Depression. They raised 5 kids and then took on my brother and I. Gram would put on a pot of coffee after Church on Sunday, because someone would usually come to visit. There was a type of connection and ease with family and friends that is sadly lacking today. We've lost more than we've gained. My Wife and I also have 5 kids, but we have to work all the time. Families are being squeezed too hard.
If you want to see population explosion you should go to India, China etc. I have seen old timers say that in the old days every one knew everyone in the town. Now no one knows anyone, that's how large the population is. Even the villages now are over populated.
@Jason James I am from Pakistan and even here educated women are opting for fewer kids for the very same reason an insecure future in a country with political and economic instability (thanks to some very powerful countries). Family bond is still strong here. Grandparents support their grandkids when both the parents are working. But this generation is working very hard to leave something for the next.
We have four kids, I wish we had gone for five but we started too late.
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@stambe8605 THATS RIGHT, WHEN PEOPLE MOVED OFF THE FARMS, THEY DID NOT NEED ALL THE KIDS TO HELP WITH THE FARM, THEY MOVED TO THE CITIES AND WORKED IN THE FACTORIES AND DID NOT WANT A LOT OF KIDS ANYMORE, AND TO EXPENSIVE
@Dominick Cizek Its not about having sex or not, its about the time and expenses need, by today's standards, to properly raise a decent human being/kid and to not be a slave to the system. Its a huge endeavour for for 1-2 babys already, 3 is out of limits for most couples. I can create a baby everyday, that doesnt mean i can raise them/feed them/educate them.
@stambe8605NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE HAVING SEX AND BABIES, THAT IS ALL, COME ON,, LETS STEP IT UP, YOU MUST HAVE 3 BABIES TO HELP THE ECONOMY IN THE FUTURE
I literally googled today, “how do people have time to have children” and all the answers I got where “spend 30 minutes before work” and “I come home once a week to cook them dinner”. I noped right out of having a baby lol. There is no way we have time for a child
@Soulless Destroyer 666 Thats funny to say with a username like that XD
im a single father since i was 19. my son is now 16. his mom rarely helped me, either by watching him or economically. i brought him to most of my university lectures as a baby and toddler. i took him everywhere. you are greatly exaggerating this "time" thing. you have time. you have resources. you just dont have the will to dive into the responsibility. thats my two cents.
@Jonny Cox Wow, didn’t realize teachers have to work that hard. Here in the tech sector folks usually work less than 20hrs a week on average, except Amazon, Apple and startups. But these people aren’t having kids either. 🤷♂️
@Jeff Guo I'm a teacher, so after planning, marking, subject responsibilities and other things, it works out at around 60 hours per week. I don't have any scope to really change that either.
@Jonny Cox Why do you have to work 60 hours a week? Just curious.
Let be real Jordan… a lot of people truly are a cancer to society. A majority? I highly doubt it but honestly we haven’t done much good here on this rock. I’m rooting for us to become advanced enough to travel the stars and bring back life that we’ve extinguished
@Curtis What does comparing humans to cancer mean then? What do you do to cancer if not purging it, cutting it out?
@Mate Buzov Never said "purged", so everything you said after that is your own BS take.
Well when the younger generations look at the divorce rates of our parents, we’re not so inclined to just get with the first person that’ll let us reproduce with them. We saw how that worked out. I’ll wait til I find a phenomenal partner, and then if I have enough time, money, and energy to have a kid, I will. For now, I hardly have enough time, money, and energy for myself
I see about finding the right partner…definitely do that. As far as the time, money, and energy, there will never be perfection with those.
I really appreciate this interview.
When I was in my twenties, we were warned that human population would spiral out of control. We were also supposed to fear a coming ice age. Now were told the opposite. Predicting the future is a fool's errand.
Yes correct no one can predict future.. Whether someone is world class analyst,Scientist,policy maker or whatever...No one know what will happen
Oh that is so, so true. If you want to spend an enjoyable afternoon read through a book of predictions for the future by experts, written fifty or more years ago.
Prediction is useless when there is one planned outcome.
It might be important to recoginze what allows us to maintain our big populations so we can deal with our sustainability rather than let the ignorance leave us to the tempest of fate.
What about maintaining the population of other animals? We aren't the only ones here.
Especially when you factor in the cost of living across America, the relatively low wages across numerous industries, price hikes with less value per purchase, and the recent fluctuation of the economy. It may not be the hardest society to live in ( not to sound pessimistic) but, it's sure seeming like things may actually be getting worse. Though I must ask, what's the perspective on the current standards of education?
Can you count too 10?Here's your high school diploma.
IM probably the only person who is happy about this. I think there are too many humans and we have been spreading like a cancer on this planet. Its about time we give the planet some time to breath.
I think you missed the point. gradual population reduction is a great thing, but a 50% decrease in fertility over a generation will be catastrophic. that will leave a minority of working age people to care for a majority of elderly people when we already don't take particularly good care of them already.
I never got this "give it time to rest." in time (a long time) the world is going to be too hot to live on. Regardless as the sun expands everything on this planet is going to die even the planet.
And our societies will fall into ruin and everything we built will collapse since the weight of the mass elderly population will not be able to be supported by the young. What will happen to you when you're old and there's no pension or government anything to take care of you.
I am happy too. I usually think Jordan is brilliant but in my point of view he's very mistaken regarding overpopulation and women not having children.
Whenever anyone complains about an aging population, what they're actually complaining about is modern advances/factors greatly increasing life expectancy and reducing child mortality. For 99% of humanity's history, our population increased very slowly and was kept in check by infant mortality, disease, famine, natural disasters, war, etc. In ancient times when parents had 6+ children, on average only 1 of them would make it past age 50. That was the natural state of things. Industrialization and modern advances caused an insane population boom + substantially longer life expectancy + an economy reliant on everyone working nonstop, and an aging population is the consequence of that. It's not a population collapse, but rather the population falling back to what has always been normal for humanity.
Ah yes, the appeal to nature argument.
@firstname lastname yes, if you aren't frightened by the implications you either don't understand or you are not paying attention. On the other hand, it's also scary what the reality of our harnessing oil, the reality of its existence has done to ourselves and this earth. It's why we're in the rock-and-hard-place predicament we are. Losing access to oil will be a fatal catastrophe to most of us. Forever finding more oil would be the same. Not just to us in the latter case, but to all life. That being the case, the reality of the situation, that we will lose access, is the better of the two scenarios.
@Tozo Bozo scarry to know there's nothing to replace oil
I am born in 93 and i think some of that might be kicked back because my generation just delays the curve since we dont get our first kid with like 25 years of age but more likely 35 years. From my class 5 classmates (we had 30 people) there are no more than 10 who have children by now.
Yeah, that's true of a lot of people here I live but a lot of couples end up leaving it too late. IVF providers advertise on public transport where I live.
Having already discussed this 'problem' with most of my friends, who are nearly all single or in a relationship with no children. Most of them including myself are in the mindset of 'how would I find the time and money to bring up children?' Personally I find it an ongoing exhausting daily grind, just to look after myself and my partner. I live in the UK and I'm 46 years old, so it's never going to happen. My partner has just taken on a 2nd job as it's the only way she can get some savings in the bank, so I see her even less now. The UK government will finally realise, probably when it's already too late, that an economy can't survive without it's minions to do all the crappy jobs that they wouldn't want their kids doing.
What's with the partner term? She's your girlfriend and you are her boyfriend.
Your government doesn't care. It's up to the citizens to fix this problem. Government has never been the solution. Government does everything it touches badly.
Peterson says "We all got richer." He meant HE got richer.
@SCProduction it tells me that the more people understand what life is all about, the less they want some other poor bugger to go through the same shit.
I would have had fewer children, if my older daughter weren't so lovely and wonderful. She's a living dream. Then I thought I would stop after 2 but she was even just as lovely in all new ways unique from her sister. And that sisterhood was such a gift, a remarkable spot of magic between these two angels, that I had another. And he's everything a little man should be. He confirmed my sweetest purest hopes for mankind. I don't know my exact IQ but I'm pretty smart. Lots of smart women having kids. We'll get there. ♡
You are so correct describing your off spring,nothing short of amazing.
get where? who cares?
Glad to hear you're doing well. You sound like you have a good life.
This was a very inter and informative video for me. Being that I am a young 20 year old. It really gives me something to think about.
@therightclique Can you give me an exploration as to why?
Please don't look to Jordan Peterson for information. I beg you.
When China expects the Chinese Century but it ends up being the Nigerian century
@Tristan Beal They now have an inverted population pyramid that's going to collapse with too many elderly for too few working people to take care of economically. There were better ways to implement population control, like India making it about tax favorability rather than draconian hard rules which caused a lot of horrible things.
I feel dumb for every time I (and many people I know) have muttered "I hate people". Especially when I'm usually the first one to cry like a baby and need help from someone smarter and more mature.
Now let’s take a minute to think of what happens to the health care system, doctors and nursed…. The whole system is so fragile
the irony of a country named ''Chad'' being the most fertile in terms of population growth...
Fucking LMAO.
@Miguel D Lewis they look ugly IMO
Everything comes and goes!! We’re no different!
Both partners are required to work if they want to avoid homelessness/tiny living (and even then, it's often a struggle). One person paying for a 2+ room apartment or a house mortgage is only possible at upper-middle-class wages and above. Thus, people can't afford time or money for children. Hence, shrinking population.
Very true. My wife and I waited quite a long time to have a child. We spent years trying to save enough money, ensure we had secure jobs etc. The thing is, we could have left too late and are very lucky we didn't. It's sensible to plan given everything you said but the more sensible you are, the longer you wait, and then we know what can happen.
So many are just lost, thankfully my only goal in life was creating a family, which I’ve done and now I’m just happy seeing them grow and achieve their goals
THIS VIDEO SHOWS ALL THAT JORDAN IS ABOUT. THANK YOU JORDAN FOR GIVING US THE TRUTH. KEEP THE FIGHT GOING, WITH THE DARK SIDE.
Population collapse? Best news I've heard all day.
I am probably Jordan's age and I remember reading the book "The Population Bomb" by Paul Erlich. In it he claimed that there would be mass starvation by 1984 IN THE UNITED STATES. That book came out in the 70's and scared me so bad I went down to the doctor and got a vasectomy. I wasn't going to have any children if I could help it. Then years later, when my wife started feeling her hormones ebbing away she begged me to have it reversed. In those days it was a 50-50 chance of success by it worked for me and we had two kids. Best thing that ever happened to me.
Sounds like the beginning of Mad Max II: The Road Warrior and the hysteria about oil running out!
@M Dorn so just a prediction as is JPs and Peter Ziehans population collapse theory. It may also not happen but if one were to happen I would prefer population reduction and further increase
Yes best thing for you but not for nature.
Last I checked, populations are still growing in the world. The rate of increase is slowing, but the populations are still growing in every country. At current rates, populations will not begin to decine for another 66 years until we reach about 10.4 billion people. Wars and disease may affect this... but I hardly think we're going to run out of people enough to worry about this one bit.
You underestimate the way pendulums swing in the world. Now it seems our population is just growing too fast. And yes the population in many 3rd world countries will continue to grow and more than compensate our decline. Absolutely. But these countries will eventually catch up too, and start declining as well. Some maybe as late as 2100 but it will happen. After that the growth rate becomes a number smaller than 1. That's exponential decay, and it goes RAPID. In the absence of a reverse trend by then the population will just keep collapsing until we get into trouble. And for me it is unclear what could trigger birth rates to go up again, other than some cataclysmic event(paradoxically perhaps, but that actually is a birth trigger).
That's old people that, not working young competent people
Rewatch the video and pay attention.
You'll still don't get it, the society is running because of young people,and average of older people is higher than young peoy
Not in developed countries
I tell my children for years now - 'don't miss out on living now, do it complex and divers right now - don't wait another extra ten years until all boomers will be retired'. (But at least for some career and more money are so important.)
Jordan got a high dollar education. But he's insured pain somewhere basically meaning he didn't need to pay .
When JP starts talking about things outside the scope of Psychology (which he does master) something starts to smell really bad
My family thought that me having 3 kids was just a big mistake and i was supposed to support planned parenhood! It was a reason to be ashamed.
Love your children, they are a treasure. You do you and don't let anyone tell you what to do.
Dont have any kids at all
Yes, let's just ignore the burning little detail that many people who want children are horrified by the price tag attached to them. Long gone are the days where people could get married at the age of 19, have one spouse working a 9-5 job and able to easily afford to buy a house, raise four children and get a few luxury items along the way. Now we're all being saddled with mounting student debt that cuts into our ability to buy an ever more expensive home with ever decreasing wages, not to mention that the very act of having a child often costs as much as that child's college education will, and that's just what the hospital charges for the birth.
Most people I know in their 70's+ started working right out of high school and were extremely fiscally responsible. I'm all for education and going to university etc but it needs to be a means to an end. Most people who do degree after degree are just taking themselves out of the work force in their prime earning years and shouldn't be surprised when they don't really have much money or any money. You start working as early as possible and save your damn money. You still won't have it as good as your parents did but then they didn't have it as good as we do in some ways either.
@Andrew U Well, dude if you keep your mind actually on, the population itself tripled over the last 70 years. And, wiman unlike the population gradually entered the workforce. It's the problem of rapid increase in workforce over 70 years without giving it time to adapt which led to this.
Well, 19 was actually because people due young in the past and late 20s would be the best age for marriage, but yeah I agree with most of your points.
That's great news Jordan..thanks
Governments are part the blame too. Many young people can't even get a house or a loan to it; forced to stay by their parents. Because prices are insanely high.
This is wrong countries that are poor produce more kids.
@Anomaly I envy how naive you are
@Daaave And, who elects them? The people. So, basically it's the people's fault in the end.
If you can't afford a house, you can just have a bunch of kids anyway, cross the southern border illegally into the USA and get everything you need for free.
I think it overall comes to supply and demand at the end of the day. Our grandparents and great grandparents lived in a time where the population was small that there were more resources to go around for everyone. Nowadays, the population has grown significantly that there is less resources to go around than those whom came before us, and prices of goods have reflected that. This raise in prices and education has in my opinion started to reduce humans' growth rate, and it has helped keep our population in check by reducing fertility rates. The prices of our finite resources will only keep rising while our population increases, further reducing growth until its at a point where the population starts to decrease. For example, I'm having to decide whether to choose to get educations or rent since I can only fully afford one. I'm 21 and can't fathom being able to financially raise a child ontop of that. My apartment requires material for it to be built and they are limited and have an overall trend of increasing in price. Same applies with other resources. The earth can only support so many people. A lower population would benefit from more resources. I think every country and person needs to reflect on quality of life of its citizens. The world population should hover at 2-3 billion people imho with an equilibrium of people in different age groups. This way at least people of every age group can enjoy the resources. The fertility rate should absolutely not be 0.9 for prolonged periods but enough to reduce the population to a level which the land they live on supports the population, which at that point the 2.1 replacment rate should remain to maintain the replacment rate. At least then people don't have to worry about lack of resources and prices and can live happier more balanced lives. I also think we'll need to recycle our materials better since they too are finite on this planet. There has also been new breakthroughs where scientists were able to reverse aging in rats and help them revert to a younger age, which might be a breakthrough on immortality and will definetly expand to humans at some point. Which will probably be another factor to consider at some point. If humanity really wants to grow, it needs to expand to other planets that there is more resources to maintain a population. Only time will tell what ends up happening in the future.
@CB is me Hard to say. At the same time, the American lifestyle is very inefficient with its current infrastructure at least. People live on land very spread out. It's a lot more costly to maintain infrastructure with taxes when people are spread out than in denser areas like European countries. Overall I agree it will be a struggle to maintain, but who knows what solutions might come in the future to address it. Right now all eyes are on Japan since they are a large advanced country currently experiencing the effects of a decline.
The money to provide services and infrastructure, to maintain it etc comes from taxes, if there are no younger ones coming up through the ranks, then standards and services drop. The same for commodities, they more buyers, the less the cost, the less buyers, the higher the price. Less people working, and less money being spend due to the drop in numbers, will mean less. Look at the world economies after C-19 and the shortage of supply, it's going to be a lot worse.
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I'm one of four siblings. NONE of us have any children. As for myself, I never had the desire to become a parent. I attribute that to how I saw my extended dysfunctional family and all the daily drama.
In my country at least (and I think it is spread across many others), at 30 years people are grinding a lot just to be able to have a house, which is in most cases not able to accomodate a child... The amount of effort that needs to be put in this, and the priority which current generations give to mental health, puts children in second place, I think...
@Bizhan Yadan christ yep
Portugal??
In Slovakia and Czech Republic too. We have houses and flats build from, otherwise it would be horrible.
When the elites start saying there’s to many people on the earth and something has to be done, “well go ahead and start with yourself and do us all a favor. Leave this planet by any means you wish.” They say there’s to many of us but for some odd reason they don’t count themselves as one of the “to many of us.”
That's why they unveiled the jabs. Look at the stats of each country for vaxxed rates. Only in the West are vaxxes high, besides Japan.
@Happyapple42 Wealth/income distribution actually improves when they are fewer people. There's been studies on this.
The stats and prediction models don't yet reflect the impact of phones, social media, video games, streaming services, etc., which have shifted lives so much in the last 15 years. They distract and make people feel too overwhelmed and busy for kids, while also making people increasingly uncomfortable with the socializing that leads to kids, particularly to a family life with multiple children. People needed kids to fill their time a generation ago in a way they don't now. I think the drop off is going to he much more dramatic than any model yet shows.
I agree with you, I'd like to see that prediction model one day...
True. We have a number of Earth and Sun cycles coinciding at the moment. The result will be rapid changes in humanity's mortality.
for most of humanity we had less than 2 billion, we'll be fine if not better off
Won’t a population dip actually help keep the population in check? Because the globe can only caps at 11 billion. Won’t this actually be helping the planet in the long run?
KIIIINDDDDAAAAA NOTBIF EVERYONE IS OLD AT THE SAME TIME THEN WE ALL DIE ANGRY
No. Who will pay fir ur SS ur Medicare? It’s an economical issue. At 8 billion we could all fit in nyc. Overpopulation was never an issue
@Disorder and Regression ... We're well past sustainable population levels. By about five billion. Overpopulation leads to excessive natural resource use, more natural ecosystems razed for urbanisation & industrialization, increased poverty and homelessness, failing health services, crumbling infrastructure and economic decay... If you haven't noticed already, we are well on our way to all of this 😉
proof: trust me bro
Jordan is like “are you going to let me talk or nah?”
The cost of housing and living increases and people respond by having less children, who didn't see that one coming?
@Coops199 I'm okay with that. I have zero skin in the game.
Alot of this has to do with the capitalistic society we live in. People view having children as a hindrance to them having the newest cars the best holidays the latest Ipad.
The reason I doubt I will ever have kids is that I don't know if I could live with the knowledge that I have brought another life into this world, potentially living 125 years in miserable circumstances. A living being that will be looked down upon and treated badly by richer people, or people of another race or religion, manipulated by false propaganda and a life limited by the economy and whatever is the most influential political ideology, potentially a victim of war or a man made virus. It's just alot to contemplate.
Exactly I am sad for all of us why even be born at this point but at least we understand we feel you.
I agree, life is overrated, true peace and happiness is in death, zero problems, zero anxieties, just peaceful solitude.
This is exactly me
thinking about this myself. life is not that great, and to think that i potentially may still have another 90+ years to go....
It's not about the number of people but the number of people that currently don't teach their children basic values. I live in a rural area. Cigarette butts are dumped on the side of the road, diapers,plastic bags hanging in trees,half full soft drink bottles near the creek,fast food garbage... etc. Nearest fast food is half an hour drive away.I respect JPs intellect but from what I see daily people with an gratitude appreciate and respect others but we need more of them.
It’ll be like the movie Children of Men, but people just chose not to have families
I don't disagree with the main sentiment but Peterson after coming back from his Benzo binge became the master of strawmaning. Nobody said we need genocide and mass abortion, their point is - don't do anything. Peterson is the one that wants to do something with a decrease of population.
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My thoughts exactly. I'm like why is he bringing up genocide or mass abortion into this convo. Nobody is saying that.
It takes a village to grow up a child. In a modern society you have to be very happy when at least one person helps you with a kid.
I really enjoy Dr. Peterson’s contrarian stances on things that I’ve been raised to believe to be universal truths. Really sheds light on how profoundly tight these hysterias have a grip on our culture. Phew, thank god for this man.
It’s fascinating watching this to hear some other viewpoints as I sit relatively 50/50 on this, self aware of the damage we do upon everything including ourselves, yet optimistic and hopeful that we have the capability of investing new ideas into developing technology to help nature recover, or are we just desperately attempting to reverse the damage we have done for the sake of ourselves Myself and so many I know have such a pessimistic view about the future of humanity and the planet, maybe this is largely due to the last decades and more knowledge we have now but there is something niggling inside many of us that the next 100/200 years will be very difficult for humanity
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Sure, have more kids, it's so simple. I just need to pay off my $300k student loan debt and save enough to afford my first two-bedroom in Phoenix for $850k while renting a studio for $2k/month. Then I can afford to pay the hospital $20k for childbirth fees and start saving for their college tuition. Life's a beach.
@Peglegkickboxer That’s just patently false. We own our own homes in the midwest and there’s plenty of jobs. If we lacked good jobs, we wouldn’t be home owners. By all means, continue to let landlords profit off you if you want. I like to keep my money.
@Earl of Sandwich there's no work in the Midwest, there's a reason why it's called the rust belt.
@Jesus911 what you mean?
And that isn't even counting if your children have medical conditions that require time/money/effort. 😬
Life is so easy 😆. We aren't financially trapped at all
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This is great news!!!
I blame our parents for bringing us into this world. What on earth were they thinking?
@Shaun McKenzieamen brother
@duhron "They can't ask to be here." You're absolutely right, they can't. And it's not my place to put them here. I have no urge or incentive to do so. I gamble with my life every time I get in a car, that's true. But it's my life. When you have a child, you are gambling with someone else's life, someone else's future, without their consent. This is grievously unethical, and it is something I will never do. It cannot be justified.
@TX Lyons so end it. you dont have to stay here. you contradicting yourself. you cant not due things because "omg its a scary gamble." you gamble with your life every time you get into a car. but to believe humanity should cease to exist because of so many poor conditions is such a coward mindset. you shouldnt have kids because they didnt ask to be here? what? they cant ask to be here!
@duhron I didn't ask for this life, and I will never pass this life forward to a child who didn't ask for it. I will not gamble with a child's life. There are no altruistic reasons to have children anyway.
That's exactly what I said 50 years it's gonna be really bad!
Wow I've wanted to hear an intellectual discussion on population for such a long time! Thanks guys!
@Steve Nicol On the one hand depopulation means less pressure on the environment, and I am not talking about the CO2 BS, I mean deforestation and over-fishing to mention 2 problems that are far more real than 'climate chaos'. De-population would be good IMO. But the problem is that aging populations would be less innovative, inventive and more risk adverse. More sclerotic. Also the current capitalist system requires continuous growth. I think de-pop will be a good thing, but we need leaders who can address these future challenges. Our current leaders can't even address the current challenges Care to nominate any real Leaders you of ? And if you say Greta .... then God Help the Human race.
@J Coker So what, why is depopulation a bad thing. Jordan and Elon never given a decent reason
@livonia I was a Luciferian I'm well aware 😂
I think this is a decent psychological, cultural and ideological analysis of one side of the population debate but I didn't hear much about the actual practical impact of a large human population on the planet. Describing the histrionics of some guy at some college and his subconscious hatred of existence in general is not a practical analysis of human demographics.
I live in a capital city, we are definitely overpopulated and only dumb people don't realize it. I sometimes want to cry because of the noise the other people do.
How ironic the country of Chad had the highest birth replacement rate.
Im 31, my wife is 28, our son is 3. Life is amazing if you work for what you truly want. I want to work so that my wife can stay home and raise our son. We have a small home in the country, own one truck and manage our money tightly. Its not hard if you discipline yourself. You can do it. The best thing in the world is to be a dad with a family that loves you.
@Shane Patrick Yes that is true, but that is exactly the way your dad and his dad and his dad felt and age has little to do with it...I felt that way and I was 35 when we had our first son, he's now early twenties and a dad himself.
@Shane Patrick my advice is make sure you are grounded. Kids do exponentially better in a hoise with mother and father. A child will test any relationship. Make dang sure both parties are on the same boat for an 18 year commitment, cause once the kid arrives, life is no lo ger about mom or dad, but the baby.
@MrSpartacus2013 well we’ll see, my girlfriend has expressed a desire to one day have kids (well hinted) so only time will tell. Some people have said I’d make a great father. But it seems such a short while ago I was a teenager… I’m now 25, it would feel weird to me to be the parent rather than the child if you understand what I am trying to say…
@Shane Patrick to each their own, your experience may vary. Its tough to raise a kid but to wake up and see a little copy of you learn and make mistakes and grow....its an inescapable feeling of joy and love, and exhaustion
Really? I've heard people say that having kids is a nightmare... But on the other hand some seem glad they had them. I'd have no money to myself though
I can stand living in a world of 3B people
It’d be useful to hear more about the probable pros and cons of the impacts of both falling and rising numbers of people and population distribution. And to offer a reasoned view on which of these factors may be deemed to outweigh the other. If this is too complex a task, in the teeth of the unknowable future, why would we pretend it is not?
Yes. This video does not do that.
@Random person Very good points here.
Here in Holland we've got the problem of not enough workers in restaurants and snackbars and other stores. We have more 'grey' people and it's a big problem.
We are in a time with the highest population with the lowest spirituality in history= a lonely low way to live ❤️🙏
Nature will sort the issue. It always has and always will, regardless of the feelings we have.
"Nature" will be fine. The problem is, it's going to be absolute hell for the humans left in the pool as the water drains out. Civilization cannot sustain itself without replacing our workforce.
I've never heard of the Mephistophelian argument until now and I've never agreed with anything more.
Even for countries it's the Chad who gets to have the most kids.
For me the best time to be alive was early 90’s to early 2000’s. Society has just been going downhill ever since so really couldn’t care less if there is a population crash.
Yes. I am 61. The best and most joyous time I had in my life was being in my thirties, in San Francisco in the 90s. Now everything is impending WW3, collapsing world economy, depopulation by the elite and the collapse of the US. Ever since 911, it's been downhill since.
Agree ... I also find it awfully coincidental that the downhill trend started around the same time as the birth of social media ! 🤔
Sounds like rosy reflection. People tend to remember the past positively regardless of when they were born: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosy_retrospection
He makes good points on how people are handling this, but the fact is that we need to go down in population because that in turn will bring down supply and demand then bring down inflation by a lot for food, bills, housing, and medicine. I'm not trying to sound insensitive to those who want kids, but it's just where we are.
Plus, I don’t want to bring a kid into this crazy world
I think its a good thing because in many places we have cutthroat competition(Japan, Korea) , parents force their children to struggle in this for their prime years. Who in right mind would try to force a person again into this same process.
They say this…. But everything is always crowded. Too the point where you can’t even enjoy it. Prices are getting higher because they are more and more demand ( people). There are too many people.
Dr. Peterson looks so depressed these days it makes me sad. The world really has this man down
There must be a point where human population will plateau, population can't grow forever because we have limited resources. During this process we might have more older people than younger but as long as we have healthy distribution of people (old vs young) even we half the population humanity will survive. It survided with way less people in the past.
@RLB the population will “survive”, that isn’t the argument. We are talking pure economic pain. When you are growing you have an excess of producers (young people) to support a minority of consumers (old people). In a falling population you will have a shortage of producers and an excess of consumers. Economics 101 makes that a really bad thing. Interesting problem really, not sure if there are many solutions other than to just go through a population cycle and hope tech advances can reduce some of the burden. A huge reset is coming through, it might suck for young people today to be old.
@GK I don't see why. The human population is exponentially increasing over time meaning that we can survive without this many ppl because we have before
He seems tired but more relaxed in this interview. I hope he finds time to put his feet up every once and a while, he deserves it.
He'll get what he desreves as he continues to only eat beef. Clearly the bull shat has gone to his brain!
@ZR1Terror I think it’s more tiring that people expect him to be superhuman with no emotions, no reactions to their vile bs, and he can never be incorrect or unsure about anything. He won’t even bring something up, he’ll be asked of it and give a short opinion and everyone is like “OMG HE THINKS HE KNOWS EVERYTHING”. Also, he is almost instantly misunderstood and his words are twisted constantly. I have no idea how he stays so calm when they do that to him. People, especially women, seem to get some extra glee when they are extra rude to him. It’s very annoying to watch, because he never interrupts or insults anyone.
@master roshi has he really been diagnosed with cancer? That’s so incredibly sad 😞 I know he has Rheumatoid Arthritis and that is an extremely debilitating illness as I have it myself. I shall pray for Mr Peterson’s health 🙏🏼✝️🕊
Then he should start reading Dr. Gabor Mate's work. Another much greater Canadian who actually has a background in science and medicine. Not the pseudo science of Psychology.
This honestly is a big source of depression and anxiety for me. I hope a lot of things change soon, or Western Civilization is definitely a goner.
we live with the most people on earth in human history and never have we been more alone as individuals.
I've been paying attention to this and talking about for a few years, most seem pretty oblivious to this.
I wish we can reach 1 billion instead of 8 billion , much work should be done ✔️
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I think there r too many people concentrated in small areas like cities but there is plenty of unused land
I always wanted to have a big family since I was little, but was always worried about the financial issue. My sister recently got married and is staying home with her new baby even though they don't have a lot of money and i realized the issue wasn't really finances but expectations. They have a humble life but are happy.
@Lieshtmeiser well, i need to had marriage first, have all my life focusing on study and currently career. So it feel like came out of nowhere when parent asked if i had special someone or a gf. So i guess need to works on myself meeting with peoples. thx for the opinion.
@Agus Permana "i don't see myself having a child for foreseeable future, maybe like you i will do it when im bit older." My opinion, disregard it if you dont like it, is that if youre in a stable marriage, even if youre income isnt huge, then go for it and have a kid. If it works out well, then dont wait too long to have the next one. Thats my opinion. Dont do what we did and leave it too late. I think its suboptimal for people to become parents when theyre teenagers, but waiting to the late 30s and onwards is also not good.
@Lieshtmeiser it sure does, but do "we" wanted it ? another case especially in like for example china or even other urbanized area, people get desperate. my situation arent as depressed, even i don't see myself having a child for foreseeable future, maybe like you i will do it when im bit older.
@Tyra Lodriqkes " she cries for not doing the things she should have done before she got married and had children." Yes its very common. Particularly for those that got married really young. My mother was like that, but went the extra mile and left us all behind chasing her own happiness. However, for the country it turned out good. She had 4 kids in total, those kids went on to have 8 kids, thats what the country needed, so at least we are good in that respect. No matter how useless we are, we need to keep reproducing otherwise there will be nothing. I mean, look at Russia now: they are in a very bad population implosion, and Putins answer was: lets waste the men we have, and whatever limited economy we have, going to war with Ukraine, and all of the nations backing it, which includes billions of dollars of aid from the US. Completely nuts! All it does it place even more burden on Russian women to have kids, which they wont do.
@Lieshtmeiser I agree because my cousin acts like she is happy but in truth, she cries for not doing the things she should have done before she got married and had children. Everybody around her thinks her marriage is everything but they don't know the truth behind her smile
I have to admit I actually thought that the world would be over popularated for a long time until recently? This is a real eye opener I'm pleased I watched it now I know better.
How will this play out with Ai and Senescence? What will aging be like when we crack the aging nut via genetics or nano?
lol "One child to many for him" lol... very cunning. I needed a laugh
How can you not comprehend the fact that the world is beyond hope and having kids is the worst mistake you can make? Only a truly sick individual would sentence an innocent life to suffering more than we already are.
or a normal thinking human with the problems. I never consider myself to be a good template for a human hell I was struggled in school and never could remember things like other kids. I have to read a book for hours to get good grades but won't recall it a week later when other kids my age could off the top of their head 3 weeks later. and it repeated though all of my school life. I got very depressed sure I got good grades but what does that even mean.
Beacuse we are selfish and also dengerously stupid
Bring it on!!!
I’m really starting to sense this is the end of times. I can feel it in my core.
… until the next time. Doomsday has been the agenda since the beginning. The end is nigh, nigh, nigh, nigh…
@Robin Lundqvist Future is not ugly - it is non-existent.
@Frank Jacob we've been living in the bright times… Our society is all greed and pure selfish desire. Ask 100 young adults what their goal is in life and you'll get the answer “Money and expensive things” as your answer from them all. The future is ugly
Not really. cheer up!
Well, twenty-four more years and we get a new chance at selecting either survival or roasting. I want to see the dark Sun's rise in the sky, and the rebirth of our dear yellow Sun a decade or more later. I'll be old AF but, honestly, there's nothing better than going on one more day. Guys, teach your children as you would wish to be taught in future. That WILL happen, you know. (If you don't, well, either find out or prepare for the strangest story you'll be in.) Good day!
Love what a lot of others have commented I can't help but this is the issues fertility we have today. Due to Toxins, health, radiation, and possibly V.