The Grim Reality Of Our Collapsing Population - Jordan Peterson
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Jordan Peterson responds to Elon Musk's population collapse prediction. What is the global population doing? Does Jordan Peterson think there are too many people on the earth? Are Elon Musk's population collapse and population decline predictions going to happen?
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The photo on the thumbnail is the album art of Oxygen Album by Jean Michel Jarre. I'm a big fan of Jarre,Peterson and you dear Chris. I just noticed that and wanted to express my feelings. 🥰
Please don't use click bait. This title and picture is feeding into a culture of fear porn. Please... It's a really good interview, but may I ask you not to feed the fear porn.
As per what you said in your previous interview with Jordan (this saying really stuck with me): "Do not do what you do not wish to become"
Hi interesting convo. You guys should talk about the upcoming zombie apocalypse. I know it's coming cause in my country belize some people who get sick with covid and go to the hospital are chosen to be tested on. They are infected with a zombie infection then poisoned or druged to study the reanimation. I am also infected and got infected while having to go through quarantine upon re-entering the country. It was a laced covid swab and I got sick after that day. My health had been declining since and I'm doing my best to fight it. I am in much pain and I can feel my body changing slowly and it hurts. I have no idea who to contact for help and can't go to the authorities since they are involved in having these tests done I fear I would be killed to cover up the story so I'm hesitant to make videos about my experience and pos5 it on youtube. Just hoping I can supress the infection long enough that my body adapts.
I would argue that the *depopulation phenomenon* goes back to _Noah's Ark._ Academically, however, the *depopulation discussion* is seen in Lord Byron, William Wordsworth, Shakespeare to Charles Darwin, etc. And given the history of governments and religious dogma, you can say that depopulation, i.e. *ethnic cleansing* goes back to the _CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM CRUSADES._ And let's not forget that the *Vatican* played the puppeteer role in the deadly war. At any rate, the point is that the depopulation talks are well-documented throughout mankind. Moreover, it is the so-called -self-proclaimed masters- behind their iron curtains that manipulate and accelerate the mass hysteria of everything that we're seeing now. It is them who weaponized this depopulation propaganda through mainstream *projective programming* for the so-called "necessary" governmental/elite-issued democide.
My theory is that population growth drops rapidly as soon as your society requires both parents to work. For the society to have children at a replacement rate, the economy needs to support a stay at home parent, or people will think it's too hard to have children.
In America, family ties have all but dissolved. It wasn't too long ago that multi-generational households we're the norm. Grandparents cared for the kids while parents work. When grandparents were very old they were cared for at home instead of shipping out to a nursing home.
working parents then feed their children sugar snacks and fast food. so the autism rates increase. and poor health decrease.
I agree with this. I have 3 kids and my wife stays home. My cousin has 5 and brother has 5. All have stay at home wives.
The society doesn't require both parents to work. It only encourages and propels people to choosing careers over having big families. The resources are all available, there are more than when Westerners had more children. It's that people have too many opportunities to choose monetary gains over family life. And there's a question of fairness, if, as you suggest, welfare states would increase their support for stay-at-home parents. Such support goes against the principle of increasing productivity, which is the basis of creating opportunities.
I think the only way humanity can survive if we bring back the traditional family norms and values. Too many women chase careers till their mid 30's and want to become 'independent'; by the time they want to have kids, they are either too old, too picky or have difficulty carrying children altogether; not to mention, feminism as a whole has created many issues as well.
I grew up w/ my granparents who were married shortly before the Great Depression. They raised 5 kids and then took on my brother and I. Gram would put on a pot of coffee after Church on Sunday, because someone would usually come to visit. There was a type of connection and ease with family and friends that is sadly lacking today. We've lost more than we've gained. My Wife and I also have 5 kids, but we have to work all the time. Families are being squeezed too hard.
Alas, I believe you’re right
I wish I'd had 5. We only have 3. I love them so much, they're such a delight, I wish I'd been open to more love and life.
Yes. There is a heavy price to be paid for having more stuff.
Expect a win fall to come soon and don't say no to the help I'm going to Pray the burden is lifted from You both so you too can focus on family, values and compassion I don't pray for money for myself as I find this is not a good thing, but I can Pray for others burdens to be easier for them. I Hope You see this, not to say it worked for me to hear, I Hope You see this so when this Prayer is answered, You know where it came from, not me but God and You're to give all Glory and Gratitude to God for this and not one ounce towards me, but if this win fall is the lotto, well I'm on disability with around 20 diseases, high risk stroke patient and multiple fractures in my spine, but most of all my conditions have been healed by Jesus, all Glory to God. Much Love from Heaven above and May God Bless You if so Willing I Love You too Goodnight my friend
It is done. I have no Children and always wanted to be a Grandfather telling the Grandkids my stories in life as they sit and listen in amazement. I'm 50 this year and been single for 7 years, no dating no sex, no lust at all Thank God, but You my friend have been blessed to have 5 children as your Grandparents did and don't be surprised if You and the wife end up adding 2 more under your wing that come out of blue as You and Your Brother did to them. Truly You are blessed to have children, enjoy every second that is to come that is extra time added to your schdule to allow more time with family, friends and neighbours May Father God Bless You and those You Love
My biggest issue for not having kids is not having enough money. I'm in the US and the cost of living is ridiculously high even without kids. Inflation. Inflation. Inflation.
Read my 'population assist' idea
Look at the Irony of this whole comedy. It wasn't war that destroyed us, It wasn't disease either, a comet probably won't end us,not even an asteroid. The human race will end due to a dollar bill. Sad but eventually true
Your government is just busy supplying war in Ukraine.
Thank the government and the Federal Reserve. Inflation is basically an implicit tax. It's created when more money is created out of thin air beyond our means. Basic economics, really. The more of something there is, the less value it holds, and the vast and overwhelming majority of Dollars to have ever been in circulation have been created since 2020, maybe even 2021. Getting rid of the Fed and returning to sound money would go a long way toward easing people's burdens, I think.
Depends on where in the US you live
Parents during childhood: “You don’t know how HARD it is to take care of you!” Kid as an adult: Remembers parent saying this and doesn’t have kids Parents: *Surprised Pikachu Face*
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Zero incentives for people to have kids its expensive, it drains your mental health, if your kid does something stupid your looked down upon and are held accountable which is fine and dandy until you realize when you struggle already to make ends meet you get another dose of mental stress because your constantly at work because the economy is screwed up so bad you rarely have time to be home for your kid, thus the lord says your gonna be stuck in a loop forever until the kids 18 😈
Kids are your legacy, your true treasure
@@sankalpverma618 Life has no value after your gone, I'm not gonna actively suffer while I am around to make it prosper, I won't actively harm humanity, but I won't devote myself blindly.
When I was in my twenties, we were warned that human population would spiral out of control. We were also supposed to fear a coming ice age. Now were told the opposite. Predicting the future is a fool's errand.
Red Shark * I totally agree ! That ice age thing ! So crazy - I think most Scientists are mad !
Politicians control science . They're psychopaths . Literally .
And because of that we now in a mess they left. Covid and Russo Ukraine war.
@@joannebutcher860 Ironically the ice age part is true, the difference is that climate change got us from outside that one, but it's going to work against us when this cold period finally lifts.
You've got to be around my age. I "learned" those things as well. Neither one turned out to be true. Jordan Peterson is not the only one who's onto what's really happening with the population, and it's not about growth. It's about decline; serious decline
Reasons for this phenomenon 1. Shrinking of middle class requiring both parents to work 2. Dramatic increase in cost of having and raising children, particularly cost of education 3. Increase in work culture generally taking more and more available time from families
Just say unchecked capitalism.
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And both parents work 10 to 12 hour days. 6 and 7 days a week.
birth rates trail marriage rates but peterson is too chicken to call that out what does he want, single mothers?
1. we were lower middle class, but we chose to life simply so I could stay home with the kids. 2. Kids don't eat much and their clothes is cheap, especially if you get hand me downs and shop at Goodwill. Also, education is free, except for about $30 in school supplies each year. College is mostly free too, if you kids earn it by making good grades for a scholarship. 3. YOU control 'work culture.' You get to choose how important work is to you in your life. It's not easy to make it, but it is doable, if you're not materialistic and focus on love rather than having nice things.
When a society creates primarily subsistence level jobs/wages which keep the majority on a hamster wheel in perpetuity it shouldn't surprise anyone that people think/believe there is overpopulation
Corporates are worried that they will run out of people to exploit.
Thats what Overpopulation & Climate Change Denial is all about : ) : )
When the elites start saying there’s to many people on the earth and something has to be done, “well go ahead and start with yourself and do us all a favor. Leave this planet by any means you wish.” They say there’s to many of us but for some odd reason they don’t count themselves as one of the “to many of us.”
And all the people in the world would fit in two counties in florida
@@frankjokel99 the world has 510.100.000 km² surface (including oceans) this means there''s 0.06 km2 for each person (7.7 billion). Now live on that piece of land and you're dead. It's not about how high we can get our population. It's about what humanity does with the space given. Much goes to shit because of humans (including me). We just need to let it go. Nature will push the reset button when needed(like it did so many times before)
@@kizurir8816 seems when I was born I was already paying rent to some land owner robber Barron..and I'm still paying rent to some greedy little psycopath who lied and cheated his way to owning every inch of dirt I stand on. But this is why we are lied to on a million levels so we never figure out we are born slaves to opulent dynasty family members and their sniveling obsequious toddies enablers.
@@chuckthebull you'll own nothing and be happy. They'll own it all.
@@nofutureproductions9242 -and they fullly believe as they have their entire history..they will own each of us too..you will own nothing but they will own you is exactly what they are saying..take your Somma,,a Huxley brave new world order is comming and you are going to need to be on Pfizer drugs to swallow it.
The cost of housing and living increases and people respond by having less children, who didn't see that one coming?
its the dissolving of the nuclear family, female education , contraception & abortions being the reason for population collapse in western countries. Not housing costs. - its ever since the rise of feminism in the 20th century, children also used to work, whereas now they are massively expensive.
Nope, Africa and the Middle East still going strong. Those people will rule the world in the future.
@@connorjames6226 bruh stop spouting rhetoric and think. Korea, japan, taiwan too i think have even lower birthrates than the west. Do you mean to tell me these countries are more feminist than the USA or europe?
@@coops1992 just population alone does not make your country a power. Africa and the midle east will be under China‘s thumb even more in the future.
@@connorjames6226 Connor hot take but Abortion and Contraception are the greatest tricks men have ever played on women it allows them to use women for sex without any responsibility if she gets pregnant and its insane how so few women have realised this they are using you Contraception allows you to have sex inside of wedlock and Abortion ensures the irresponsible man does not have to take responsibility for his actions
My observation is that in our small bubbles in our small cities, our areas seem to have no room. For anyone. Everywhere you go is traffic. Every restaurant has a wait. Every home is over priced, the cost of everything is too high. All of these indicators usually point to a supply shortage, and supply shortaged usually points to not being able to meet the demand. Everyone in our generation 25-35 years now, has been getting kicked by these indicators since we have been adults. We all look at each other and say, well i didnt change anything....but now my drive to work takes 3 times as long. So whole trying to stay afloat and mentally strong and resilient, i should voluntarily add raising a child into the mix. Its tough for us to climb yet another mountain.
And unlike many other goods in capitalistic markets, one does not simply produce more land, water, or clean air. Under any other situation, we would be considered hostage to a land cartel as the supply of land is low relative to demand, but even such a land cartel can't make more land open for settlement for there isn't such land left anywhere
All of these factors are being generated to maximize profits. Create a community that is easily manipulated by false scarcities, constant underlying fear, pitting one group against another, then just sit back and see how far these factors continue to work. If not create a new virus that's just the old one but give it another name and number. Don't worry most people now a days haven't had basic biology classes so they don't know how fast they mutate and therefore are virtually immortal. But humanity has been getting along and adapting right along with them for years. AMAZING!! It's all engineered by larger and larger corporations wanting to control every facet of human life with the one main goal being MAXIMIZE PROFITS.
not so much we need land but the cost of developing it. bringing in power,water, phone and cable lines, sewage.
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leave the city.
I come from a large family. My father worked, my mother stayed at home (when she wasn't walking two miles to and from the shops for food several times a week lugging a pram load of kids). Mortgages were three times one salary and saving was worthwhile. Now a mortgage or house rental for a family is well-nigh impossible without two incomes, and childcare rapidly eats up an income. Fewer couples stay together, incurring additional costs. Perhaps a collapsing global population will lead to fewer wealthy landlords, housing costs could come down and employment could be based on goods and services which are actually needed rather than invented to accumulate more money. Perhaps then people will be free to have larger families because they want to.
Correct, good luck having three kids while living in an apartment with no room and space for your children to play.
Only rich ppl are complaining about this because it'll hit the economy hard and some will have to live like the middle and low class
@@flame-sky7148 My dad was one of 5 kids living in a two room shack with my grand parents AND great grandparents, no electricity or in door plumbing. My dad is now a muti millionare, one of the happiest and friendliest guys you will ever meet, and never went to college. You dont need as much space or income as you think to raise successful kids. My mom was one of 10 kids (not exagerating) and her dad died when she was 13. Her mom worked in a factory and was still able to raise the kids in a tiny two bedroom house. Again, kids don't need as much space or income as you think.
@@justinshankle yea , back in the day everybody lived with each other, and none of this separated apartment living paying all kinds of rent. Many Asians, Indians and Arabs still follow that model when coming and living in America. What your talking about is a different generation as the money isn’t the same as it was back then. Say like the 1950s a man’s income could take care of a family of four. Today women work more, Gen Z is trying to figure this thing called work, you got tech or AI coming in, also illegal immigration changes wages. Your right, space doesn’t matter when you’re young, but it sure helps. GarageBands form in basements or garages, garages are the spaces that helped Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, batting cages require a backyard, same thing with pools ( we had a pool when I grew up). Boys make mistakes and it helps when growing up.
Population Growth doesn't matter. Quality of life matters.
There's enough on this planet for everybody's needs, but not enough for everybody's greed
Today I refused to take food from my hotel because I said to myself, stop the greediness ! I'm proud
We need a system that stops the greed and distributes it fairly
@@mattysav4627 who will then determine what “fair” is though?
We produce enough food waste to feed the world. World hunger is not* a food production issue, it's a logistical/political one
THIS IS THE MOST ACCURATE STATEMENT AND THE REASON OF POPULATION DECLINE IN THE WEST. CONGRATULATIONS SIR/MADA
The richest man on earth tweeting about population collapse while thinking about going to mars to plant tomatoes and potatoes while working on a chip to insert into peoples heads is enough to start some questions.
Tell him to stop foreclosures, make people in their 80's and 90's to STOP COMPLAINING and be more decent to family members, and start a new branch of citizen based legislation which will help people with "humane" based issues like barking dogs, and safer laws to assist in a needed reduction of the load from overworked police officers. I wrote 60,000 word on a law like this in 2013.
Lol exxxactly, some major questions! Especially the brain chips, like seriously wtf!?🧠📲 How can that possibly be a good idea?? There's soooo much that could go wrong there. Ummm yeah thanks but nooo thankss
@@missnellaful If there is one issue plaguing humanity it is excessive dog barking.
@@XOXOX4242 what If they force us to install those chips somehow ?
the richest man on earth? what? not even close, the richest people on earth are not even bookmarked on the internet.
I will never forget how much of society and even people in our own family reacted when we announced that I was pregnant with our 3d child. They congratulate you for child one and two and ask you if you had an accident with the third ! Those who have even more than 3 are looked down even more in Canada. If I had been younger when I married I would have loved to have had more children and now that my girls are grown I will be so sad if they don't have kids , the more the better.
I can relate to you, when I had my third child even the midwife said "I'm sure you're all done now", and the after care specialist said " that's it now is it?". Three of more people act like you're a cancer on society.
Awesome!! How many plastic shopping bags do you bring home every single day? Let's multiply it!!!!
Don't ignore the fact that human the population is placing pressure on biodiversity and animal habitat.
I agree
My school literally taught us in 10th grade that an ageing population is a bigger concern than overpopulation at this point
Unless Logan's Run become real.
Well, the Pandemic solved about 10% of that problem. and considering that the older generation is working 5-10 years longer also limits the problem.
You will have to work your hand to the bone for the rest of your life to pay for these fat people's health care and retirement pensions. Enjoy
"literally"
Well, Like most American teachers who think they know how the world works. They’re wrong.
It's that point in an MMORPG where some players have inflated the economic system so much that people are simply leaving the game 'cause they don't have enough hours to grind the amount of money/resources they need to enjoy the game.
sounds like real life need some money sinks LMAO
@@RafaelROUNDUP Don't worry. I don't know where you live, but the "tax" money sink is most probably going to increase. Enjoy ;-)
Inflating the economy will do that. Why won’t they stop?
@@FazeParticles Because it's short term beneficial to some greedy people. Hence why we need to adopt an incorruptible currency such as bitcoin, which is designed as a tool to combat political induced inflations and control. Decentralized with no one at the top. But the WEF doesn't want you to know that and the Mass Media and politicians work closely together to demonize these innovations, and corroborate to take away your freedoms. All in the service of the great reset. And it's being exposed in Canada right as we speak. Earlier today an MP asked about Klaus Schwab and wanted to know how many people in the parliament are members of the World Economic Forum. He got silenced and cast out in a heartbeat. The video is on KZhead. Why? Because Klaus Schwab has already openly admitted that Justin Trudeau and at least HALF of the Canadian parliament are members. And the same is true for EVERY other 1st world democratic country...
Let me add to this that Bitcoin is THE ONLY crypto currency that has these qualities. Every other coin has people in charge who can increase and decrease the amount of coins there are as they please. The number 2 coin, etherium, has already changed their max cap 7 times!
Why in the hell would anyone want to being a child into a world like this
All I need to do is open my eyes to know there are too many people.
that really depends on where you live 😂
We add 220,000 people a day. Population collapse is a LIE.
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" You're on the side of the planet? Whatever the hell that means. " Priceless.
To be fair, we are all on a side of the planet.
I'm on the side of the planet. The western hemisphere side, to be exact.
Indeed. It reminds me of something George Carlin said. We assume we humans are separate from nature and yet we are in fact a product of nature. We are a vital part of nature's plan.
Exactly. It's not obvious at all that the planet HAS a side. It's nothing but a vessel. What's valuable is the life in it, and if we truly had our priorities straight we'd understand that all we truly have is each other, and of course, the other life forms that share this world. If the leftist hatred of humanity is allowed to propagate, we'll never flourish enough to leave Earth, or to take other life with us. We'll wither and vanish in a cosmic blink of an eye, whenever and however the universe decides that our time is up.
@@Jams848484 Nah, bruh. We're all on the same side of this sphere.
They crapped on the youngs for so long. We got crushed. And now theyre confused why we can't afford families?
There's no ethical solution out of this. I mean we could just have an age of death where we send people to the afterlife to prevent societal collapse to due their being to many consumers vs producers or release a deadlier variant of covid which we have in the labs but anything short of that or mass immigration won't prevent collapse
My thoughts exactly
Can’t afford or aren’t willing to!? The government does help you know 🙄
@@cjpeery the governments caused all these problems, i think they've done enough
@@cjpeery when they feel like it
While I understand the economics of population decline, I also think that any economic system which requires perpetual population growth is doomed to fail.
what I don't understand is why it's so important that there are more or so many of us?
I really enjoy Dr. Peterson’s contrarian stances on things that I’ve been raised to believe to be universal truths. Really sheds light on how profoundly tight these hysterias have a grip on our culture. Phew, thank god for this man.
We need to keep reproducing so we can continue to evolve. We have come far, why end it now?
@@jacksparrow3025 that's not how evolution works...evolution allows for those species that have adaptions to their environments to thrive. The idea that a species is "highly" advanced is incorrect as there's nothing that can define what that means. In 100 generations, humans could evolve into something that is "less complex" than we are today if it allowed them to survive in their current conditions.
@@RicardoGonzalez-bn5uu I think you may have misinterpreted what he meant. Our ability to evolve would slow down if we decreased our population. Jack was advocating that we shouldn't stop reproducing hence multiplying the number of potential adaptations. Not everyone is a scientist and do not need to know and understand the particulars. Jack has the basic gist of it and that's perfectly fine.
@@perezclark123 agreed, right after I replied...I realized that he could have also been referring to societal and technological evolution. Face palm moment on my behalf lol
@@JumboCod91 I think it’s too hard to tell in a case like you propose. People in the early 1900s wouldn’t have thought of WWI and subsequently WWII having the effect that it did on the world. The climate of today may effect future generations socially but for who knows how long before something altogether different changes the system again. Evolutionary Biological time frames and the rapid change of society in last two centuries are occurring at vastly different rates
Yes, let's just ignore the burning little detail that many people who want children are horrified by the price tag attached to them. Long gone are the days where people could get married at the age of 19, have one spouse working a 9-5 job and able to easily afford to buy a house, raise four children and get a few luxury items along the way. Now we're all being saddled with mounting student debt that cuts into our ability to buy an ever more expensive home with ever decreasing wages, not to mention that the very act of having a child often costs as much as that child's college education will, and that's just what the hospital charges for the birth.
Children are expensive as hell. If you don't ever think your dreams will come true,go and have kids. But if you actually plan on achieving your dreams,don't have kids!!
@@ShinkuGouki That might be taking it a step too far. I like to believe that people can be parents and achieve their dreams as well, especially women. Everyone should in the perfect world be able to do what they want.
@@robertgronewold3326 People that haven't completed their education and don't have a career shouldn't be having kids. Having kids doesn't hinder your ability to start a business or save money?? Of course it does. Having kids costs time and money. The very wealthy don't have to worry about this. I'm talking about the majority.
" . . . able to easily afford . . ." It was never easy.
@@allanfifield8256 Okay boomer.
I do not think people should be shamed into not having children, but you are certainly not going to shame me into having them.
THEN YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM,
@@domcizek I dont give a shit.
Don’t expect a pension. Better start saving up
@@Godfrey544 Our generation doesnt even get a pension lol
@@Moundshroud. yeah because we're not having kids. But those with kids will have support. good luck to you.
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I am probably Jordan's age and I remember reading the book "The Population Bomb" by Paul Erlich. In it he claimed that there would be mass starvation by 1984 IN THE UNITED STATES. That book came out in the 70's and scared me so bad I went down to the doctor and got a vasectomy. I wasn't going to have any children if I could help it. Then years later, when my wife started feeling her hormones ebbing away she begged me to have it reversed. In those days it was a 50-50 chance of success by it worked for me and we had two kids. Best thing that ever happened to me.
All the books on Starvation and overpopulation…were Correct….they only left out the Mechanisms by which it would Come….we had a few thousand years of perfect even Climate…and few events that were devastating or effective as Tambora…but….if we do ..and we will…have radical events or Climate Collapse….it is more guaranteed…that mass Starvation will come in 2 years….with 8 billion…..it is amazing we got this far down the Road….but the systems that made 8 billion possible are reaching their limits….oh yes…there are limits to Everything.
Check Paul Erlich's early life section and you'll know why he promote the overpopulation idea.
@@sebbensebbenandsebben691 they say 800,000 Cats are out to Sleep….each year….our Food and Medical System…..are Not designed to keep you Healthy….they are industries…as the big Pharma…a designed system…..the Human bio Mass sustains….in the 50s it was well documented by Weston Price….but here we are….nothing much Changed…..8 billion Consumers….made a lot of Family’s very very Rich….but I have come to the conclusion….that we are like a huge herd of Cattle…during a severe Drought…..the Rancher cannot Sell them and he cannot Feed them and the Land has Failed…..everywhere I go it seems Crowded …congested ….hectic….an amplifying Rat Race….and the Rats are in a big Hurry….I believe this Planet was designed to support a specific number under natural Conditions…but 8 billion humans have completely changed that Harmony. The Buffalo herds are gone…the millions of Beaver are gone….millions and millions of Whales…also gone….the old growth Trees …mostly gone….there are a few Elephants left….but we need Automobiles….not Buffalo……We should See the handwriting on the Wall…and drop Denial.
In the 70s they also predicted the next 'Ice Age' was coming...God help us for listening to these nihilists. Glad you had a happy ending - a large swath of the younger generation will not be so fortunate, and will miss out on this blessing God has given humanity
@@rayn3038 easy with the meds, my guy.
Most people are afraid they can't afford to live if they have kids because of the ridiculous cost of living is too much.
Not true buddy, the richer people get the less children they have.
No, people in the poorest countries have the most kids. It's exactly reversed. The COL crisis in the West is pretty recent, but this trend is decades old. This is bigger than the hype of the day, which cost of living essentially is.
In my opinion i don't think money is the issue i think women these days require a lot of money and require the lifestyle that they sees in social media, they sees women without kids they say we don't want kids they sees women who has a lot of money they say they want a rich men ,they sees women with tall men they says we want tall men , i hope we have some how educations about the fake lifestyle and how to not think like how some influencer think , that is just my opinion, and my theory
Accept immigrants.western people won't help they weak like you. Stop lying..... Africa has a damaged economy but we thriving, it's selfish to think the way you do because it's all about you and money. How depressing it is to be wealthy yet have no legitimate heir.
Rich people don't want kids though and I support that. No need to fill the pockets of the child focused industries.
Saying there's too many people doesn't necessarily mean the person is anti-human. They could just be in favor of well considered growth. Is that a possibility?
Yeah, I think it's worth considdering the other opposite indeed: it's fun to have a jolly group of people over at your house, but if the whole city needs to live there it is just to crowded to be optimal. Considdering there is a maximum is actually humanloving, as we can then work towards finding the optimum. Of course the minimum, maximum and optimum are dependent on how we want to live together on this world in terms of prosocial relations, resource use and connectivity.
Thing is, patenting sucks. Plenty of other things to occupy your time in a wealthy country. I don't blame young people for opting out at all. They see the day to day grind people like me go through and say no thanks.
I got married 22 years ago. I was 24 and my wife was 21. We had our first sooner than we thought and he was premature. We had to rely on some good old fashioned government assistance for a year and then got on our feet. We had four more kids (without government assistance) and have been running ever since. There are a few things I would do differently but not having five kids isn’t one of them. What it comes down to is that you CAN do with less. Unchecked Capitalism is not the problem. It is unchecked wants. Kids are a sacrifice. A big one. But anything worth having requires big sacrifice. It’s a refining fire. A trip to Disneyland is a once in a lifetime thing. Not a once a year thing. You can do with an LG phone instead of an iPhone. You don’t actually need Netflix, Hulu, or Disney plus. Your kids don’t need extra presents because your sister gave HER kids more. Presents don’t equal love. People talk about the “Good Ole Days” when raising a family was easier. My grandpa used to say that the only good thing about the “Good ole Days” is a bad memory. He grew up during the Great Depression. He said “dollars (silver) were as big as wagon wheels and there were damn few of them.” It’s never been easy or convenient to raise kids and if you wait until your totally ready you won’t ever have any. I know some can’t have kids or just do get the opportunity. But the ones who can and do have the opportunity should. Strong families are an amazing antidote to overreacting governments.
Well said 👍😊👏👏👏
Thanks for sharing your family stories. This is the backbone of our country.
Brilliantly put Brian!
I agree. To this day only went to Disney once, and sadly it was before my youngest was born so he got screwed but we thought we were done haha I've got six kids, four I gave birth to and two I took on when my sister died. Husband had to work three jobs and I had to do daycare in order to stay home with my kids. I caught so much crap for staying home too, even by other women, actually, especially by other women! It wasn't fun and I often remained silent because I dreaded the question, "So what do you do?" I'd tell them and they would walk away. I never thought I made the wrong decision though. I knew I could raise my kids better than a daycare center and I was right. I have one daughter who is a double PHd , a Biologist and a Geneticist, and got scholarships for everything by working hard. Another is a Registered Nurse and another a Psychologist. Married young and three kids by 26, the fourth years later at 36. Here I sit now 52 and thirty years married still with with two teens and an 8 year old still at home. In some ways husband and I DO regret having so many because we've never had any time to ourselves but not in a serious way. Whole plan was to have kids young and be in our forties when they leave home and then he and I could travel. That plan is out the window.
Do you think that your kids will be able to afford to own their own home?
I don't think his main point is about the disaster of underpopulation, though he probably wants people to consider not making inevitable struggles worse by not having children they would have otherwise had. He's more using that point 1) to dispel the prevalent myth of overpopulation and 2) to use it to suggest the plausibility that there is a growing anti-life sentiment that runs deeper than the surface talk of population (or politics) and, having infected the minds of many institutions, it may wreak havoc like we can't imagine. So that people can be aware of the mindset -- see it in themselves and/or others.
Why do people always rush from one extreme to the other. Having 1-2 children is perfectly fine, it's just replacing yourself. Middle grounds are an option too.
in some ways, it's a self-solving problem. those with no life drive (the obedient, the simpering) will not reproduce. those of us with courage and strength and virtue will.
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 "virtue" LOL
Over population is not a myth, like climate change is not a myth. People just refuse to accept concepts that they reject emotionally, instead of doing research of the subjects dispassionately.
@@CrakenFlux politicians with no knowledge on the matter but economic interests, spreading misinformation to gullible people, aren't helping either.
I thought that with the progression of technology...we won't need as many people to do jobs etc. ?
Bang On We can't move for People in the UK and are also can't breathe dur to pollution and up to our necks in sewage, waste etc. AI, Robotics, New digital maufacturing systems are going to put a lot of people out of work. Not to mention the oneard march of Climate Change. People in the sixties used to talk of about over population. The warnings were there then
World population NEEDS to shrink. It would bring more resources for those who remain. The modem system NEEDS to fail. A return to a close connection to the earth is the key to happiness, mental health, etc, and that can't happen with so many people.
The problem is not the people, its the sociopaths who steal from them. In old times they had nobles, now this. Inoptimality due to parasites. Has nothing to do w pop numbers, 70%of us are above 50.
I agree the population needs 2 shrink.
Tell Sub Sahara Africa
Yes, because resource distribution was great a few centuries ago when there were far less people in the world.
Desert countries can't support large populations. There simply is no way to grow enough food, in other words, if a country cannot grow enough food to supply it's population with basic nutrition, it's overpopulated.
It's expensive to have a kid. Daycare alone is like paying another rent bill.
Just wait till you need a crib, a stroller, pampers, nutrients, etc Hooo boy!
Our country doesn't have public or affordable daycare/preschool like a lot of other countries do. It's a problem that needs to be solved.
@@UnlicensedPharmaciszt most countries don't have good healthcare and affordable childcare. Only a handful of European countries and Quebec (at the expense of other Canadian provinces) do. Most of the world requires multigenerational families and neighbors to take care of children.
@@cr4yv3n and then your kid grows up as a teen and all that baby stuff turns into an iPhone, gaming console, tablet, expensive sneakers, cars, designer clothes and whatever other stuff these kids are having nowadays.
@@C1K450how could kids afford them
Having already discussed this 'problem' with most of my friends, who are nearly all single or in a relationship with no children. Most of them including myself are in the mindset of 'how would I find the time and money to bring up children?' Personally I find it an ongoing exhausting daily grind, just to look after myself and my partner. I live in the UK and I'm 46 years old, so it's never going to happen. My partner has just taken on a 2nd job as it's the only way she can get some savings in the bank, so I see her even less now. The UK government will finally realise, probably when it's already too late, that an economy can't survive without it's minions to do all the crappy jobs that they wouldn't want their kids doing.
All this is TOTALLY the game plan of the IMF. Look up Klaus Schwab's book and it's all there. Just one other point. Get any savings out of the bank. NOW 🙏
everything is planned and orchestrated by the elites, nothing happens by accident anymore.
It seems the big wigs arent having enough kids either...
@@lieshtmeiser5542 they’ve finally realised what a pain in the arse they are.
@@GK1976A Yeah, this could be true. Its like the meme of donating all the wealth to the local cat haven instead of the greedy family members. Families going extinct is always an option...
I don't understand how this "collapse" is a bad thing. It will be a shift requiring adjustment but that's all.
Population decreasing is not necessarily a bad thing the problem is the rate of decrease... If the proportion of young to old gets too skewed the system could collapse because it's based on young workers "paying" for the care of the old. The rates of drop the west is seeing are very concerning.
Many of the societal ponzi schemes have foolishly and perplexingly relied on an unsustainable and endless growth in the population.
Funny thing is if you look at the rate in increase its okay but a similar decrease is viewed as the end of humans. @@jjjjrrr678
It's much more than a shift it's pretty seismic! You need young people to do the work and consume. Without it, society and our monetary policies will fail and fail hard!
I am with you on this. The only living thing on the planet that worries about human population, economic grown, consumption of products is Humans, Everything other living thing on the planet is better off without humans. I wonder if people truly believe that if the human population dropped to around 2 or 3 billion that we would be on the brink of extinction.
This is nuts. There are more people than ever. Western countries may decline, the rest of the world will more than make up for it.
Not for long they wont - they've by and large stopped having kids too
Humanity adds 80 million people a year. Does Jordan Peterson even know this?
Every region on Earth other than sub-Saharan Africa is below replacement rate, and even they are on track to hit that mark by 2060. Global population is only growing from demographic momentum. It'll turn negative by 2050 and start falling off a cliff before the end of the century.
My biggest regret about having children. Is the level of leverage society now has over you. What I am willing to do to keep my kids safe fed and healthy could be used as blackmail for a governing body, or individual.
Thats so true, I feel the same. Im worried about the repercussions on my children and my hands are tied.
This is why I've been telling my kids since they were preteens not to bring children into this world. It's a scary place!
You are over thinking it Mac. Enjoy your family. Cheers
It is true, and have always been like that, but what i'm afraid is that a majority of us, has lost or can no longer see the beauty of creating life or life just getting to live and prosper. People aren't searching for the mysteries that lurk behind corridors of choices made in ones life, or relishing in the fact that we got to live; be it a sad life or an ordinary life, in my book thats way better than having no life at all. This might be hypocritical, but i'm properly also choosing not to have children and it isnt cause of what i just mentioned, but that i don't want the hassle. Maybe that will change when i grow older we'll have to see.
@@markandersen8235 they're a big hassle that's for sure!
I always wanted to have a big family since I was little, but was always worried about the financial issue. My sister recently got married and is staying home with her new baby even though they don't have a lot of money and i realized the issue wasn't really finances but expectations. They have a humble life but are happy.
I have 2 children one boy and one girl and I too was always worried about finances but today I am financially stable and ready for a 3rd child, people just need to know how to spend their money, less creditcards, contracts for new phones and Starbucks but that's the standard of living most people don't wanna part with🤷
Honestly, you will never have kids if you wait to have your finances in order.
@@kfedyanks or having it at 38 and get into retirement when the child is still on their elementary school
Raising children when you have little money is NOT fun.
That is exactly how my wife and I worked it out. It works.
I'm 40 and have no children and have no intentions of having them.
Same. 🍻
Mass culture is unsustainable. With a warming planet, the fact that viral differentiation will continue to expand and the real possibility of crop dysfunction leaves several factors beyond economics that will further lower population. Perhaps low enough to begin to support small self-sufficient communities. Where it all started in the first place.
One of the biggest deterrents to having offspring are the costs. Wages are stagnant and housing is unaffordable. How are us young people supposed to afford to start a family when we are just getting by?
You cannot afford to have children now......society is collapsing.
Why have children? So they can suffer? So they can be enslaved by societies? Why would you have children today?
Fins something to flip. Really. It’s out there.
For me I just don't like kids at all. Spent my childhood going to school, coming home and dealing with 2 young siblings. I despise kids so much I'm embarrassed to have been one because I would have hated myself just for being soo f-ing needy. It's not something small humans can control, and people I respect the most are those who want kids, but I am not one
@BVale not a good time to start a family .
“You worry about leaving a better planet for your kids, how about leaving better kids for the planet?” - Tom Macdonald
So true! Since the Millenials it's all tipped toward self absorbed narcissists running the asylum.
He's a walking grifter meme. He didn't come up with that line, he ripped it off from a 2013 meme like he does all his lyrics
This is a great quote, very thought-provoking
Yeah I'm not abandoning children to the future of dystopic narcissism fuelled stupidity. I can't think of anything crueller.
@@ajjohn8729 Everything everyone says has been said before in one way or another. Doesn’t make it any less true.
The one word never mentioned by the population collapse crowd: wildlife. In the process of growing to 8 billion people, we have wiped out 80% of wildlife. The US has 3 billion “missing” birds alone. Elephants are expected to be extinct in the wild in the next 25 years as Africas population doubles to 2 billion by 2050. The math is fairly simple what happens to the remaining wildlife if the population reaches 10 billion. Settling the population at a nice number like 5-6 billion would be better for us and them. The transition will be tough, but it may just save everything.
I'm rooting for a massive pandemic (that doesn't kill me or anyone I care about of course lol) that brings the human population down to 1 billion or less
A newspaper 📰 article said one expert said the earth can hav 1 bil.- 1trillion peopl. Othr experts say 4 billion to 16 billion. I say 4 billion. A ZooBook magazine printed in 1987 said it had ovr 4 billion n things startd 2 get crowded.
As a hospital leader I can tell you this is already a problem and it’s coming to roost right now, there simply aren’t enough young people in the healthcare workforce, I’ve only been there for 11 years and now I’m one of the most senior people there, between retirement, quitting due to stress and over worked, covid, etc. we don’t have enough workers to keep up w the increasing volume of patients
I’m fascinated by Dr. Peterson. He challenges all the views I’ve developed in the last 20 years. I don’t agree with him on all things but his opinion does make me pause and reflect.
YES. This is his tremendous value to all of us ---and why the guardians of established thought detest him.
Unhappy people don't stay married and have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around. A worldwide elite justification of tyranny that people are refusing is another sign.
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@@robertdouglas8895 This might be true in a modern marriage, but I'm not so sure it holds for marriages where women are fully reliant on their husbands, as was the case in the early part of the 20th Century and is the case in many impoverished countries. That said, I really hate how women are shamed for wanting to stay home and raise their children. Everyone knows children do so much better when their parents are around and invested in the wellbeing of their children. :)
@@robertdouglas8895 "most people" my uncle is unhappy and he is still having children with his wife, and they live at 2 separate households.
I live in Portugal, I'm 25, I will often spend days without seeing a single fellow young person. Population decline is no joke because it really deeply affects the economical and political situation, young people have almost no effect on the country, and in the case of Portugal most of them especially the smartest, emigrate anyways which exasperates the issue. The whole country is geriatric, health problems are ubiquitous, Covid is like fire in a dry untended field in this situation. The bright side is that it's very calm and accommodating for an introvert like me.
The last bit sounds nice
I visited recently and I am entirely convinced there are more car dealerships than people. But a very peaceful coastline you are blessed with. Much love from Ireland 🇮🇪🇵🇹
@@johntaggart668 bro 😂😂😂😂
I find it Interesting how your covid situation is brutal considering you guys have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world with 110% of the population shot up. 🤔 I also find it interesting how here in Canada we’ve had more covid deaths and problems this year, than the year before any shots were even administered. 🤨
Wow so true. I visited right before the pandemic. I even asked my tour guide where all the kids were and she said there weren’t many. The only children I saw were the ones on vacation with their parents in my tour group. I went went with my best friend and we left our kids at home with our husbands so we fit right in lol . It was definitely calm and quiet which is exactly what we needed. Beautiful country ♥️
Just stopped in to say No. No it isn't, its actually way scary how opposite the reality is.
Actually my feeling is that because the world isn't coming to an end, we are actually looking at a dip in global population rather than a catastrophic population decline, simply because humans are adaptable, and we will adapt, it might be to a less populus earth, or it might be a earth with better and cheap health care that keeps the population stable.
That’s not how it will go. Less tax money, less labor, less brain power. A lot of our retirement/social programs and economic systems are reliant upon a new wave of workers and consumers. That won’t happen. So a lot of programs that rely on taxes will collapse, businesses will fail, and you’ll have a lot of poor old people homeless on the street (not enough money or labor for nursing homes). Very bleak but that is what we are facing and why governments are very concerned about this. People don’t get that is your future and the only way out besides having kids is AI and robotics.
How many old people do you see working in nursing homes taking care of old people?
Why would health care get cheaper if there are gonna be more old ppl than young in future. Nurses will be high in demand and itll be nearly inpossible to keep up with thr system we have now
@SamandRie probably because he thinks universal Healthcare is a beneficial thing and that it does something other than ration care and drive down innovation.
@@Dcvdc56 so what are you getting at? Gas all the old people? Put them down so they don’t have to suffer? If there are more old people than young and the young aren’t having children then you can guess where we are headed. Some place far worse than rotting away in a nursing home. There won’t be anyone to take care of the elderly but the elderly.
If parenting is so economically important (to society) how can we make it significantly less economically punishing (to the individual)?
Stop the class of people who print money and tax us all with inflation. Inflation kills.
Although I agree with the other replies here, living more frugally is an option as well. You probably don’t need everything you own and kids don’t need nearly as many toys and luxuries they have on average today.
Since the pandemic: Finland has seen a 7 percent leap in births, and Denmark and Norway have experienced 3 and 5 percent bumps, respectively.
This right here is the question people need to ask.
On the flip side of that, what should serve as detterants to people abandoning parental responsibilities? And how do we stop people with broken marriages blocking their former partner from having their rightful place in their children's lives?
I'd love to have a kid but the idea of finding someone i'd want to have a kid with is basically unfathomable at the moment.
In 2022 is not the time to have children. I had my kids back in the 80s and '90s it was great. I'm not saying don't have children they are the best of the best they're my whole life and I love them I would die for them. Today no just no
@@lynnmorley9094 wages are so low in my area that it's basically impossible anyways. Hard enough to survive let alone feed a gremlin
The threat of being put on child support by some woman should be enough for any man to dodge fatherhood like the China virus.
to many have kids without thought to the responsibility, it's just the thing to do, and that's just wrong in so many ways . most of the rest want little mini-me's to stroke their oversized egos. those that are left either don't have kids for the right reasons, or have them and raise beautiful souls that nourish the planet and those they're around
Foster children need you.
There’s already to many of us to sustain our lifestyle. I see population “collapse” as good for our planet and all who live on it.
He didn’t even try to explain how the the world supposedly isn’t over populated, and maybe this part is out of context, but I don’t think he tried to explain how a population decrease does harm long-term. Like, of course, it does not work for our current economic models that presume infinite growth, but infinite growth is definitely impossible without becoming an interstellar species. We live on a finite planet.
what else do you expect from a consumer based economy? Extreme consumption creates greed, greed creates unsustainable living wages, lack of a living wage creates low fertility
Wrong. The rich have the fewest children, the poor have the most
Culture and Morals have a massive role to play in this mess. For much of America and Europe's time during the last 2 centuries, society was highly influenced by the cultural and moral beliefs of Christianity even if we structured our society secularly. Once the culture began to decay and the morals fade, the society began putting itself on the path of self-destruction. Fact is we have more than enough resources to sustain ourselves and a lot more people, but because of our lack of cultural guidance, there is nothing to channel our energy or ambitions to see it through. You can tell this is the case because the most efficient, patriotic, and stable groups of people in America today are the immigrants who arrived just in the last few decades, and that's not a coincidence.
I came to an important realisation. Middle class people need to be boosted for us to make more population. The attack on middle class by government is the problem here. They drain the middle class through various tax and restrictions and make it harder for them to make babies. Just my observation.
Not if they are even western conservative aka right-wing liberal. People who live in Jeddah or Moscow with traditional values are the type of middle class who should be having children.
No-one discusses the criminal danger imposed on people in relation to sexuality. It's a crime to have sex in front of children (why?). You'll have your child taken from you if you ask on the internet whether it's okay to feel aroused during breastfeeding. It results in a total ban on level relationships between young people and adults. The transmission of culture is blocked.
There's a difference between classic and neo marxism. Classic marxism went after the economic system and resulted in material shortages. Neo marxism went after the family and resulted in relationship shortages. Sure Wokeness has damaged economy and the middle class a bit, but there isn't a new Holodomor. But Wokeness has absolutely devastated relationships, marriages, communities, and souls.
the elite have all the money they need they just want to keep enough people to be slaves to them....thats it.
Or... improve social mobility, so that the most capable people rise. The flip slide, of course, is that the less competent members of the middle class must be allowed to fail, in order to free up resources. Social mobility is a two way street in a society that needs to adapt.
I'm for it, the less people the better.. mostly
Not really an issue at all, our popular is only meant to be at 2 billion.
Jordan Peterson is a kindred spirit to me as we both understand the old saying “people love your honesty until you are honest with them”.
Yeah...especially women.
Not me I love when people tell me what I think cause if there right I get an opportunity too change myself for the better if there wrong I ignore them . What I hate is when people pander too me and don't mean it
Trying to show honesty to people, makes them feel uncomfortable. But how uncomfortable will people be, when reality strikes, and they are ill-prepared for it? Our channel and our blog opens the door. If only more people would step through and enlighten themselves; the world would know, and the games would have to stop.
Happens to me every day 🤦🏼♂️. I'm not rude either.
@@pantherman8719 So very true! I'm a woman and when I'm asked by some woman "does this dress make me look fat?" My answer is, you can't blame the dress. :)
For me the best time to be alive was early 90’s to early 2000’s. Society has just been going downhill ever since so really couldn’t care less if there is a population crash.
This is done by design. We became a morally degraded society. Everything that was wholesome and beautiful is now vacuous and ugly and oppressive. So much so that people are willingly offing themselves not to exist in this place
Can't agree more. Probably the greatest time since humans existed on this planet. There was actual peace and people all sorts where happy with themselves, did not care to dig what others did in their life.
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I would start it in the mid-'80s and if you can ignore the bitter taste of Jimmy Carter, the mid-70s. It was a beautiful time to be alive, cruising was fun, and bonfires and sleeping on the beach were legal.
Simplicity was apart of that..... Material obsession is slowly taking over.... People seem more concerned over what eachother has rather than just being a good human...
Oh no, the sky is falling!!!! The world population is currently over 8 billion people. That number is as high as it's ever been. I have many things that concern me about this world. A decline in population isn't one of them.
The idea that someone's mind is blown re the population never being this great again, blows my mind.
This whole clip is painful. Jordan reaches these static conclusions based on his research ten years ago. We have been adapting to life on this planet for tens of thousands of years, but you wouldn't know it listening to these two. Then he presents these extreme straw man arguments. Nobody is arguing mankind needs to be destroyed 🙄. We have had an effect on the balance of life here, and there is nothing wrong with a society that acknowledges this and attempts to mitigate it.
My wife and I chose to reject the “planned parenthood” thing and today have 8 children. It is by far the greatest decision I have ever made in my life. All of my children are better people than me. They are more loving and caring and more productive. Our family serves all mankind.
Unhappy people don't stay married and don't have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around. A worldwide elite justification of tyranny that people are refusing is another sign.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!!
Dang thats a nice family I came form a family of 2 just me and my sister my mother wanted a 3rd but my dad said no seeing how we ended up growing up that was by far the smartest thing my father ever did
@@robertdouglas8895 you are on the right side don't mind these people
Wow! How can you afford it? Not even just financially, but time wise. That's dedication
Been aware of this for well over a decade, so many in their late 20s or 30s have no kids, many aren't in relationships, also know many people in their 40s with no kids. Its going to drop off the cliff.
Let's hope so!
That's good news.
@@kissme1518 yeah lol. I see people being so worried about this... we need LESS people on this planet.
Less people means that you don't have the workforce to replace what you previously had this is especially bad in our globalised world as economies become stagnant there is less money less credit in the system to facilitate growth. Good look to Africa when it become economically disadvantaged to ship them resources as western nations become more focused internally especially with the developing climate crisis. Aging demographics are horrible for any nation population decline is not a major issue if it is controlled but mass depopulation is catastrophic.
I'm not one of those who hate humanity, but i do hate greedy capitalism and big government. I am happy that the population is declining, maybe then people can actually afford a house?
Awesome! Might be affordable vacations again
Family life is hard to manage when both parents work full-time. My husband now works full-time while I work as a freelance writer and look after the children, but it has made life hard financially especially with prices and interest rates ever increasing.
population collapse will be the end of capitalism that requires eternal growth, so that's a good thing.
There is such a need for society to slow down, to thoughtfully raise children, a need to not continually struggle. Everyone would be happier and healthier...but the current government and rampant inflation (and more) are against us.
If there are not enough working adults to offset the money spent on the retired and ill then society will collapse.
@@Madonnalitta1 just work until we die so the deadbeat socialists can sit around and ride wellfare.
@@midget9629 If social security is offered to you when you get old, you will take it.
And it's ALL been DELIBERATELY planned.
People live in a state of unbridled consumption and fear. We slave away trying to get a bigger house, a newer car, better stuff... We do this while being afraid of terrorism, a virus, or whatever government and media say is going to harm us. Then, we gladly hand over our sovereignty and continue struggling to make ends meet.
I’m really starting to sense this is the end of times. I can feel it in my core.
No. Looking past the absurdities of our time, a brighter horizon looms. Yes we will in all likelihood redefine our existance on this earth to prosper with fairness for all. It's the only logical prospect.... Short of anaelation.
@@frankjacob1729 maybe fairness for all is a contributing factor for the fall of our society? more or less was for the romans
It's the end of this era. After the collapse, things will be better.
One could only hope 🙏
Hope you’re right.
Not. Even. Close.
I’m in my early 20’s, and want to get married soon. But without like-minded people, things are getting expensive (I barely keep a roof on my head for myself), with responsibilities that I have for my family (grew up in a single parent household with siblings since my stepfather decided to shrink his responsibility and doesn’t care about anything other than getting drunk and gambling) and tiring physically and mentally demanding career; the only thing that manage to make me still sane until this day is because I can have a career progression towards more stable life, dream of working in places that have work-life balance, keeping my family safe along with my religion to uphold my faith and morale. If the things are meant to go downhill in the future, it’s better to stay away from a crowds of crazy people.
It took me until I was 30 to start my family after I finally met my husband who was the first man I ever dated who actually wanted children (with or without me). I was the first woman he met who actually wanted children (with or without him). We have been inseparable since our first date. We now have 3 children and 1 on the way. I'm thankful but my heart breaks to think of how old I'll be for my adult children. I may not even meet my grandchildren. We're doing our best to teach our children the value of family even though we came from very broken and dysfunctional families.
Bless you. Don’t worry about your age, it’s just a number. My 85 year old aunt drove a tractor into the fields to retrieve a newborn calf. She was the youngest “old” person I’ve ever known. Take care of yourself, eat healthy and with 4 children you’re getting plenty of exercise. You’re only as old as you feel. ❤️
Well you should encourage your children to have more children. The future will need smart, kind, and thoughtful people.
The girls will have a easy time getting married and shit. However boys will have a much harder time, from unrealistic standards.
Children grow up so fast It is heart warming to hear that despite coming from dysfunctional families you can look past and try to be everything for your children. I am sure one day they will realize how important that is.
There is a plethora of good nutritional information of the Internet. I particularly like Dr Berg. Start slowly, but begin to eat a low carb, anti-inflammatory diet. Exercise as much as possible. You can easily live into your 80's. With God's help you can do it in reasonably good health.
John Calhoun's "Behavioral Sink" research in the 1960s and 70s studied the impact of overpopulation on mammals. The odd thing was Calhoun's mammal populations never hit maximum capacity, let alone reached the status of "overpopulation." Yet, with great predictability Calhoun's mammal populations experience catastrophic collapse before overpopulation! I became aware of Calhoun's research just a handful of years ago, but it seems to me Calhoun's work predicts the collapse of male-female relationships within utopian socialist conditions.
if only those utopian socialist conditions actually existed then we wouldn't have this problem socialism just doesn't work. the government takes businesses away at gunpoint and tells everyone "now if you want something you have to come to me" and that always ends in shortages, famines, abuses of power and possibly genocide
@@caralho5237 - I understand your objections, and AGREE. However, Calhoun absolutely did create just such a utopia for his mammals! He selected the healthiest mammals through medical screening, and then placed the test subjects in a completely enclosed environment free of any predators. Calhoun's environment included common social spaces, private mating spaces, and family spaces true to the nature of the tested mammals. He then provided a wide variety of the healthiest food, routine medicine, and waste management for the test subjects. Calhoun was careful not to withhold any needs of the mammals, including what might be called "playground toys" for exercise and amusement. Yet experiment after experiment, both large studies and small, saw a repeated pattern. At roughly 2/3rds capacity of the environment, the mammal populations experienced a catastrophic population implosion. This baffled Calhoun as it went against all of the overpopulation theoretical models. Yet there it was - a data set that predicted with great regularity the demise of mammal populations in utopian conditions. NOTE: MY INTERPRETATION. While Calhoun was studying the effects of overpopulation on mammalians to hopefully gain insight to predictive patterns of human populations, Calhoun actually found something far more compelling. In his last and largest study in Scandinavia, Calhoun described with great detail the progression of the decline. It appears that the socialism utopian conditions disrupted male-female mating behaviors so intensely that females no longer needed males or wanted offspring. And the males, with nothing much to do and growing more hostile toward the females, began widespread open warfare! Calhoun reported the large population of unattached young males began killing off other mice - young and old, male and female with increased regularity. A perpetual state of violence continued, in spite of utopian conditions of everything the mammals could want, until the population was completely dead.
@@christopherlarsen7788 Very cool experiment, think i heard about it somewhere I thought you were open to the possibility of a socialist government for a second but i was wrong, my bad
I'm reminded of those Star Trek episodes where Kirk went out of his way to smash utopias, and got away with it. Looks like Starfleet maybe knew something...
One of the reasons why western Europe is advanced is because socialism was part of their political ideology. America is a shit hole
being a mom is so undervalued, I've seen the way companies and society, in general treat them, so why would we want to have kids?...even spouses will leave all the responsibilities to the mom, and that's exhausting.
Exactly. Women are done doing all of the housework and the bulk of the child raising, while also working. We choose working because it at least allows us some autonomy. We understand that any children we birth would ultimately be our responsibility. Men can just walk away so much easier.
Its better than having to go to some corporate bs job where nobody cares about you at all
Shut up women are the most catered to in this country 😂
All by design, the destruction of the nuclear traditional family, destruction of the two sexes, gender woo woo nonsense, sterility...
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Chris, could you please make an analysis of what could happen to real estate as population collapses. Is there a point in which real estate becomes a bad investment, as too many houses will be empty at one point. in how many years do you think this could happen?
This is the first time ive seen a back up to "the empty planet " about the same thing. So thanks for this.
Look into the Fermi Paradox
@@yourpersonaldatadealer2239 how do you connect the Fermi paradox to declining population? I'd like to follow your thought, but I can't see what you mean.
@@OZUndead He is saying, once a civilization becomes advanced enough, their population declines drastically. Implying, this would be one of the big filters.
@@maximiliannowak7860 Ahh thanks for clarifying, in my mind the famous question "where is everybody?" was echoing around without considering this aspect.
@acedudeism wat?
My grandfather lived with his 9 siblings in a two room duplex with one bathroom. He told me that his siblings and he were always outside playing, shooting hares and muskrats with their 22s, fishing and playing on the side of train tracks. They stayed outside and socialized all day and then returned home as a family in the evening. Man I'm so jealous of his generation, they had so many personalities and characters in his neighborhood he said they didn't need TV. They had so little and yet made the most of it, and all of them went on to have healthy and happy families. They all have grandkids who love them too. I am grateful that I could at least witness what a healthy generational family looks like. Say goodbye to the days of 6+ children from the West. Even though they are the ones who need it the most
I grew up in a family of four siblings. I never imagined I would end up childless. Women especially, but men too are relentlessly bombarded with anti-child, anti-family stuff. They grow up with their heads in phones and literally have no idea how to form human connections. The infant stage lasts into their thirties and many of them feel even being touched is sexual assault because they've never been touched very much. If you want to see where this is going, see Japan. It's sad. We are losing the joy of being human.
@@thepagecollective I've never heard someone saying that touching a person is sexual assault. Maybe I'm too young or I live in a different country from yours. If you're talking about *private parts*, ofc it's wrong doing it. But I don't think that's considered sexual assualt. Maybe it's too much. It happened to me and I was probably very soft in that situation. It was uncomfortable and I didn't say much about it because people told me that "I have to be a man, and treating women as a princess". Even if they were doing sth clearly wrong. Stupid me. I think those type of comments made me hate people hugging me or giving me a kiss in the check as a salute. Also, I hate receiving physical compliments. It feels weird to me. So yes, I agree. We're not treating ourselves as the human beings we are. At least, it's my perspective as a random guy.
@@fdg4796 The US is always going through this stuff. In the US, it goes Puritanism, Victorianism, and Metooism. Under the first two, no sex before marriage. Under Metooism, the standard is enthusiastic consent Here are the rules: Asking permission before you change the type or degree of sexual activity with phrases like “Is this OK?” Confirming that there is reciprocal interest before initiating any physical touch. (Each move must be asked and answered "yes.") Letting your partner know that you can stop at any time. Periodically checking in with your partner, such as asking “Is this still okay?” Providing positive feedback when you’re comfortable with an activity. Explicitly agreeing to certain activities, either by saying “yes” or another affirmative statement, like “I’m open to trying.” Using physical cues to let the other person know you’re comfortable taking things to the next level (see note below). Further, a woman can withdraw consent at any time without a word or a signal at all. At that point it becomes sexual assault or rape depending on how the woman feels. If a woman has a single beer before sex, she cannot give consent. If the man is in any way not equal to her in terms of age and career position, it is sexual assault or harassment. Men have been run out of universities for this. A man was fired because he was dancing with a woman and his bulge brushed up against her. Compliments can be construed as sexual harassment. A man was fired for touching a woman's hip. Any touch can be considered sexual harassment. Sexual harassment can be conflated with sexual assault and rape. America is always inventing new ways to suppress sex and then rebelling against those ways. Metooism is a backdoor revival of Puritanicalism with vastly more complicated rules. If you want to understand the mentality, one commonly said thing is men need to be taught not to rape. This implies rape is default in men.
@@thepagecollective & @Dani Wow, the vast difference between your perspectives, yet both leading to the same result. The love in my heart goes out to both of you. Thank you for being you, you both make this world a better place and we all learn so much from each other. Take your hurt and do something powerful with it. Take dominion over it and make it your strength. Take care Friends
@@thepagecollective Ty for telling me that. I'm not from the US but it seems a bit... relatable what you're talking about. I heard about similar stories. I heard men here going to court because they "raped" a woman but at the end there was proof that it was sex with consent. Do you know what happened to those women? Nothing. They're free. Do you know what happened to those men? They got fired and their family sees them with different eyes. In other words, a woman ruined their lifes and there was no punishment. I know that being a woman in this world is difficult. But, dude... these things scare the hell out of me.
I hope this means we can regenerate the rainforests and stop the animal kingdom being wiped out.
the planet” in case you didn’t notice is the very environment that allows “humans” exist in the first instance.
He seems tired but more relaxed in this interview. I hope he finds time to put his feet up every once and a while, he deserves it.
It’s probably tiring being so intelligent and having so much wisdom.
It's also tiring dealing with idiots.
@@gingernoggin3158 hello truth spoken!!
@@gingernoggin3158 Well you are 146 years old. 😆
He is attacked 24/7 by the establishment, governments, mainstream media and millions of NPC twitter drones. He's a lone voice preaching reality in a world of delusion.
I found trying to control anything beyond myself, looking at the negative side of life & not being a good person, was a life of self-inflicted suffering & all I had to do was choose not to anymore, 1 day at a time.
Open the pod bay doors hal
Reproducing was afforded to all God's earthly creation. However, the joy of having and raising children and carrying on ones ancestral lineage was a Gift, only given to humanity, by Our Heavenly Father...made in His image. Praise God! in His Son Jesus' Holy name
I understand. Turn off the TV, leave your phone and computer behind and see what happens
I'm the words of Dusty Rhodes, keep steppin
@@chuckthebull 😂
A lot of these population collapse videos seem pretty tone deaf. Having and raising children requires resources like money, community support, and time. Even most of the comments under these videos acknowledge how expensive this is. Who’s going to volunteer to have children when you have to spend most of your free time at work and even then can barely afford to house and feed yourself?
South Korea, the non-starving part of Korea, started a program of providing incentives to parents, amounting to about a percent of national output. There was immediate backlash about the huge expenditure. As a soon-to-be SS retiree in the US I notice the buttkissing of retirees, who vote, and attempts to remove resources from children, who do not.
What it worries me is that the basic western civilization that most countries wanted to copy around the world, will collapse too, this because the population issue will not happen all at the same time, we see it in the most stable countries that have massive migration(Like France, UK, and Germany) from already collapsed countries creating a cultural clash, triggering old instinct of protecting their land from the invaders and a cultural gap that creates fertile ground for conflicts. I still dream of an off-the grid house...room full of batteries for a 120V, a big water tank, a proper spot for plating grains. I'm so done with globalization, my brain cannot take so much information of world, past, present and future, which it most be a component of people putting a gun in their mouth, it's so much...
Facts, But I still don't know why Pet is not taking over to rull canada. We need more safe spaces. He could get on board he has the people behind him
@@Sakeandpurpose Jesus Christ is the only safe space worth having.. all else Will be a challenge
@@Sakeandpurpose literally the only collective icon that forgives U for all sins if you admit then and ackowledge ur full of sin
@@Sakeandpurpose if U admit ur full of sin Jesus Christ can release U from the sin, the punishment of absolutely all experiences.. and all experiences have sin, cause ure limited. After a long while without Jesus you Will eventually struggle to fight for basic right to exist. Your body itself Will Try to make U starve or die, cause believe it or not your very personality has the original sin, which is designed to deterioate U. You yourself is the worst enemy to yourself, cause you have the power to change. And its not enough cause you have sin, so eventually, maybe after conquering all ur competition, you Will start acting against your right to exist.. especially when you Are happy youll see this, cause self satisfaction promotes lazy feelings, and thats where the snake lives. The snake that eats U up, and that snake is in you. Not to mention the more self pride you have, the more people Will demand you to fix things, to the point they want you to die if you dont prove constantly you can save the world.. which you cant, cause Only Jesus can. No human besides Jesus has the power to save you from the weight of the entire universe.
@@fidgetyrock4420 🤦♂️preach elsewhere
Wow I've wanted to hear an intellectual discussion on population for such a long time! Thanks guys!
feminism destroys civilizations
This discussion is so full of strawmen that you can hardly call it intellectual. Peterson had a debate with David Benatar and completely missed the point.
@@cosmicprison9819 I think you need to look up the definition of the strawman argument.
A one sided discussion
Are you familiar with the -Universe 25- experiments ? JP takes a lot of his theory from its basis.
Yes, everyone suffers in life. However, the challenges make us grow and become stronger later. After we figure out how to deal with it.
There are way too many humans, we need a major readjustment.
True 4 bil. is enough say some experts.
I love that one quote: _Whoever believes in infinite growth in a finite world with finite resources is either insane or an economist._ In nature, the population is controlled by predators, and the apex predators either fight each other or starve until equilibrium is restored... Also, think of this: a decade after Germany lost the war, the middle class recovered to the point that they could afford to buy a house with a garden, have a wife who doesn't need to work, raise two kids, one car, and one vacation a year overseas. Today, both parents work 100% (I even know families with more than two jobs!) and still can't afford to buy a home, but barely afford the rent of a small, shabby flat 1h from the city center where they have to work. Yet, the media tells them that they should be happy to live in Germany, one of the richest and most peaceful countries in the world... meanwhile, for what you pay in Germany for a low quality take away food, you get a three-course menu at a decent restaurant in Portugal and Romania has far superior internet (10x as fast, more stable, better coverage even in rural areas) compared to Germany, and they pay only 1/20th for it... Did I also mention that Germans are record holders in paying taxes and yet the public infrastructure crumbles as if they weren't paying a dime... There are so many other interesting examples from other countries, but they all point in the same direction: decline and fall and probably the rise of extremist parties and civil war, or regular war...
Welp...... A BIG problem iz dat we r uSIN our brain-power, 2 kill each otha. If we were 2 use our brain power 2 git our collective azzes, off dis rock, we would find nfinite resourcez. Furthermo..... DUH real problem iz not finite resourcez. DUH real problemz, r lack of vision. Laziness. Paranoia, over loss of CONtrol. Lame-azzedness, iz DUH real problem. GREED!!!! U HAVETA WATCH, WHO U FOLLOW, & WHUT U LISTEN 2. Disnfo, can put a real hurtin on ya!
Portugal and Romania might be good options for Germans with a German salary, but you are seeing this in a tourist way and not the reality on the ground.
Enlightening info on Romania & Portugal don't hear about you guys too often
@@JorgeOliveira-ow5uu exactly..the balance is in the income difference..
@@Einnor084 disinfo is comming from all sides with all different agendas at play and all of them basically designed to exploit you.
My wife is a couple months pregnant with our third. Can't wait to add another addition to our family. My wife has no siblings and, she has always been sad about that. My children will have no cousins from their mothers side, no aunts or uncles. I'm thankful I have a few siblings myself. Family is very important to me. They're my motivation for life. They make me far better then I was without them.
I hope your wife gives birth to a stillborn.
@@jbak87 jealous of a loving man for his woman and kids you nasty sick feminist individual you soy boy go play with the traffic.
But aren't you creating units of suffering, as world gets worse their life quality will decline fast. One kid is ideal , 2 is okay I suppose but 3 is too much unless you are super rich
@@HeisenMannj Why is that any of your business how many kids he'll have.
@@NsShadid it's called concern for fellow human beings ,might be a foreign concept to you. I gave him certain perspective , I neither abused him or anything else
The insane amount of population growth and consumption since 1900 is not sustainable. The issues with population collapse and likely economic shrinkage are real problems to address but that doesn't mean finding ways to continue population growth is the correct solution. I think this is an opportunity to innovate solutions with robotics and AI to fill those gaps.
If we are short of people in spite of having 7+ billion people, it means our current socioeconomic systems are failing, which is absolutely not to say we should get rid of capitalism. But things need to change for sure.
Every habitat including the planet has a carrying capacity for a species, including one as innovative as our own. That’s not self hatred. It’s biology.
thank you. they all think that natural resources and SPACE is unlimited. since 1960 the world has gained around 6 billion people if i am correct. They think just because people got short term richer that this will last indefinitely. It wont.
We are way over populated..and this old dude thinks that's a false statement.
I can recall reading about some financial research (nearly twenty years ago) which tallied up the overall tax burden for the average American citizen. I was shocked to learn that it was 56% of earned income. (the study included income taxes, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax, government service fees, bridge and highway tolls, fuel taxes, etcetera.) So, that looked rather ominous twenty years ago. What do you suppose that overall tax figure has grown to, today? My point is ... there is a reason that "Two Income Households" are the norm today. Obviously, when over half of the combined household income is taken away; that household becomes a "One Income Household" In other words, for each working parent in the USA; one adult is working exclusively to support government, while the other is working to support family. And, need I say ... if the figures were updated to reflect current tax burdens, it seems clear that the government takes a far bigger slice of the pie than it leaves for the children to divide. Surely, there is a reason that this data is not published these days.
The globalists insist - "You will own nothing and be happy."
I saw an Afghan woman come here with her 5 children. So why can she do it and others can't?
@@gusgrizzel8397 Remember what you see isn't the entire story. Most immigrants work 3x harder than citizens because they aren't socially and financially established. There are many many many sacrifices made including time with their children. Ask a Chinese immigrant with a family of 5 how hard he actually worked to keep his family afloat and ensure his children had the means to have a better life than himself. He would never want his children to struggle to the same level he did. Saying they can do it why can't we is dismissing the sheer amount of hardships and sacrifice that went into their struggles to set up themselves and their families in this new country. The grass is not greener on the other side.
@@livelovelife32 Chinese people aren't coming across the border illegally to live off of us, and you know it. So stop lumping all groups together.
This might not technically be so bad if the large resources the government is taking in taxation were actually spent efficiently on things that improved the quality of peoples lives and made having children an easier thing to do
One reason for a population decline is, technology means we simply do not need as many people. Working a farm by hand, having children to help is good. With modern tractors and equipment, the family of 5 or 6 is just not needed. Humans will adjust.
Great video Chris Williamson :]
As a youth advocate I'll tell you a core problem with this is the majority of kids being accidents, with unfit parents. Any combination of the following problems are growing rapidly: parents being poor, very young, coming from abuse themselves, multi-generational single mothers, multi-generational teen moms etc. At the same time, a growing majority of stable people are not having kids or even long-term romantic relationships well into their 20s and 30s. We also have the largest majority of virgins over 20, 25 and 30 years old than in history. The people who would have been stable capable parents have been heavily abused in childhood by being hyper-sheltered, which is corrosive to development. It's worse than Idiocracy predicted. Very soon, the vast majority of kids being born will be born into broken families, orphanages and utter chaos, desperately in need of role models & strong community, that could only come from the adults who put off having kids indefinitely. One of the most important trends I advocate for is adoption and fostering, also radically targeting the abuse in these systems via government that destroys potentially good parents before they can get approved, while leaving kids with abusive or dangerous foster parents at the same time.
That’s not true at all. Religious groups still have the most kids. Non religious groups have around one kid and usually divorce at some point leading to poverty etc
@@kombe971 Don't worry, thank God, society will also corrupt these children.
@@MrZakatista it’s a bunch of rubbish. People don’t want to take responsibility for their own lives
It's a systematic dystopian descent into a neo Marxist ideologically driven chaos. We are being intentionally emasculated because those that seek power hold an abhorrent doctrine, one they so arrogantly believe they understand, as their salvation and meal ticket to divinity.
People are simply not having children for cultural reasons such as not having a career bedded down.
I believe the only limitation for anyone having children is their ability to financially and emotionally support their children. If one cannot do both, then that person should not be having children at that time. The only problem arises when people have (unwanted) children, usually out of wedlock, that force that child to have to endure a life without a stable family or home. Even worse, some children are just dumped at orphanages. And then worst of all, some parents will go so far as taking out their frustration on the child. No child deserves to have to go through that hell.
I still keep wondering why poor families seem to always end up having more children than rich ones. Rich families usually stop at two or three while poor families seem to go higher than four. Why is that?
@@jediknight38 different countries have different kinds of poor people. I'm not sure how things are in the US or UK. But in my country, Myanmar, poor people have less access to education, and most relevant to this topic, sex education. Too many people from lower socio-economic statuses have very little working knowledge of contraception. Even though there is no religious objection to contraception, the sheer lack of reproductive knowledge means too many women do not know how to even prevent pregnancy. This brings me to my next point, in some countries, there are religious objections to contraception. And it is the case that with good education, people do tend to discard the less practical aspects of religion. So the inverse is also true. Religious beliefs tend to be strongly held in people who are less educated. All of this causes a positive feedback cycle, where poor people have less education, including reproductive health education, and this leads them to have more children. And with more mouths to feed, it puts more strain on resources that are already scarce, thus continuing the cycle of poverty.
@@whtfl I believe you're missing the point. Which is that we do not want kids to be born left and right in families that cannot support them, either financially or emotionally. The problem of how to get people of higher socioeconomic status to produce more children is much more complex, and is something I will not claim to have a solution to.
@@jediknight38 In my circle, the poor ones have multiple mental health/drug issues, combined people are careless about sex and everything else as their lives are a mess. I believe that to be true in other places too. + Many attachment issued people _feel_ children will resolve their loneliness and inability to sustain healthy adult relationships as well. That a larger family will resolve. A friend had another baby with a drug addicted schizophrenic even with two pre-existing kids she wasn't able to care for properly. As she had an abortion and for some (as I understand quite a few because it's traumatic) women abortion leads later to an obsession to have a kid. At least to some level poverty causes or is caused by lack of rationality. I'm poor too but I'm adequately rational and sufficiently intelligent to avoid those traps even with my own mental health challenges which lead me to be poor too. Childhood abuse has long lasting effects like in my case neurology gets all messed up as you fear for your life everyday for the first 20 years of your life. I know a lot I say is quite controversial but as far as I've seen having too many kids in my circle is caused by mental health challenges and the carelessness due to it. I edited a lot but just wanted to add, which came first poverty or problems? I don't know. I see a lot of childhood trauma (stemming from war trauma in previous generations) leading to poverty and poverty doesn't help to get things back in order as your focus is on the lack of basics.
I don't have kids. Yet a portion of my taxes goes to support families with kids that can't afford them.
As an antinatalist I think Peterson nails it qhen he says something along the lines of it being rejection against the nature of being itself. Current situations can be bad or good. Ove lived an ok life compared to many history, but at great expense to other conscious beings and the juice has never been worth the squeeze and i will slowly suffer more wvery year as my body falls apart. I will work every useful hour of my life and never accomplish or see the things I WANT to do. Qnd its all meaningless. The end game js non-existence. Why this in between? Why temporarily suffer, love a few things and lose them, and then struggle out of existwnce? Why not just remain among the non-existing? Until theres a good answer for that I see no reason why we should not go voluntarily extinct.