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I hope the players understand that this is now the social media era. If you gets dirty, it will be recorded forever. Nothing you do will clear up your name. It sticks forever.
They obviously don't haha
Antonsen and Marin deserve to be a couple.
😂😂😂😂😂
we got an agreement
SO true man!
@@user-mo1ye4jt6m😂
They are supposed to be a couple, but not without any problem. When Marin is ready to serve, then Antonsen won't be ready. That would create a serious problem.
Some players are pushing boundaries, some do it to disrupt the rythm of the opponent and Marin does it while leading 17-4 in the last set out of spite.
She’s a work of art really that woman. A screaming banshee
She have no manners or sportsmanship
Restaurant: serves him dinner on the table Antensen: not ready
Antonsen: I wasn't ready. Send the food back and try again
@@leob4403Second try: Waiter dumps food on Antensen. Waiter: I wasn’t ready.
Knew Marin would be there if the title had annoying in it
😆😅🤣😂
Another situation was at European Games between C.Popov and M.Caljouw in quarterfinals. In the end of 3rd set, Mark makes a flick serve after Christo showing he was ready. Christo starts yelling he wasn't ready, right before seeing the shuttle goes out. And suddenly changes his mind and beg for the point at the umpire. These situations are crazy and players should be more punished with at least yellow card for misconduct. In the match with Antonsen, he has being annoying many times on the receive before getting a card. The more players don't get punished for such behavior, the more we will see this happen. Would be sad for opponents and sad for spectators.
Just change and enforce the rules lol, Why are they allowed to do stuff like this?
the reason why i love lzj is that, he never does such mind games like delaying his serve or delaying the game. he is just there to play the game, nothing else. it is true that he maybe cocky sometimes but to me, it is ok to celebrate if he wins a point or a match. i hope to see him in a better form in the future like the one we saw in 2021 all england final
Absolutely, he plays the games very honestly is what I like. What I hate now days are players would try anything just to win, even try sth in the grey area or push the boundary of the rule, no sportsmanship or honesty in the game, a real shame.
Yess that's one of the reasons i like to watch him play too.. He just focuses straightforwardly on his game.. He's also one of the least players that didn't like to delay in all of his matches.. whereas he's the one that always being a victim of delaying tactics -_-
Literally 80-90% of the players do not behave like those in the video. I don't see why is there a reason to pinpoint lzj only. LMAO.
@@Lollewll that is a good point mate. But after all I’m just stating the reason of me liking lzj, it’s my personal bias, I am not pinpointing anything. But I believe what u said is also true that there are a lot of other players like LKY, they are not behaving like that.
thats bullshit. u just like lzj personally. nothing to do with delaying service. most players also never do that crap. in fact, those players are even more humble and not as showoff like lzj. why dont u point them out ?
BWF has really allowed these shenanigans turned into the mainstream of this sport. What a shame😢
I agree with you😢
If these players can play at high levels exhibiting High Skills! Why do they ENGAGE in this Serving for Gain tactics![ By Badminton rules of Sportsmanship and undue Advantages- these PLAYERS should be sidelined, period.
The only reason for the sideway or circular motion of server's racquet is to distract the receiver. This is not the intent of serving in badminton. I always thought service in badminton is either racquet stationary or racquet move in continuous forward motion prior to serving. I notice viktor axelson also move his racquet left and right prior to serving. If BWF doesn't fix this shenanigan, i can see this loophole ti get worst, like i can rotate my top side of body left and right like dancing before serving the shuttle. It demans badminton. I'm calling BWF, to fix this farce. No other racquet sports (tennis, squash, ping pong) have tigzig motion before serving. It has to be one continuous motion.
@@bennylava8717 Mathematically ( Graphing Motion n direction) Side to Side movement would fail the test of Continuous forward motion.
By keeping mum, BWF is allowing these kind of faulty services. And players are creative with these cheap tricks.
Nishimoto learned how useful the tactic is from antonsen lmao
He is the trickiest among all Japanese players. Shameful !
tbh i clearly think antonsen has the most annoying service tricks
He didn’t know, but he was actually paying prices for he ended up having less focus on the games.
True, giving tough competition to Marin!
@@mohanma4270more like minions
That's why I dislike him
Long lost marin’s cousin
Hey Antonsen, if you are watching this video, look at 4:57 and this is proper way dude. JUST FXXKING HOLD YOUR HAND UP if you are NOT FXXKING READY. If you get ready, just put down your hand and start to play your rally. LD, LCW, TH, PG they are the legends in MS history and they didn't need to do such annoying behavior. Just show all your ability and power to beat your opponents.
If you play at all you should realise that you need a moment to find your ready position as your hand comes down, as pointed out in the video. Why aren't you mad at Nishimoto for trying to catch Antonsen in that transition?
@@omgwaffles09Your opponent's unsportsmanlike behavior doesn't justify rejecting a serve with a racket
@@omgwaffles09absolutely right, Nishimato was serving too fast, I say you need about 1 sec after the receiver settles down, hand up is not settle down, it is preparation of getting ready.
He's def watching it
Antonsen is just the dirtiest MS player by no doubt.
No doubt
I thought there is Marin too
@@admintpglobal5297 he said ms, but yeah in ws it is Marin
As someone who plays badminton regularly, I hate dirty servers.
As a System Administrator, I do too.
as a firefighter, i do too
As a youtube viewer, I do too.
It's the biggest flaw of this beautiful sport... Service is too easy to abuse, starting with service height. At amateur level you don't have a judge, people will serve at chest level and if you try tell them you pass for a sore loser
As a restaurant manager, I do too. Food hygiene and safety is my priority.😜
There should be like a new rule where referee decides when to start a serve with visual indicator of green signal at the opposite end of the court for both players.
with time countdown too
Serves like the one at 5:50 really need to be cracked down on, and I don't know why service judges keep letting them happen. A forward motion is supposed to be considered the start of the serve, so any additional backswings are supposed to be considered a double motion. All of this rule-skirting gamesmanship around the serve is detracting from the rest of the game, and it's terrible for viewership. Chirag Shetty is another frequent offender, along with many other players. If this is where the service game is shifting, it's going to make the game less fun both to play and watch. Nobody likes having to make such a production out of serving, and nobody likes being on the receiving end either. It's also not fun to watch. Terrible for the game, and technically against the rules already...so what is BWF thinking?
Seo is so annoying to watch
Absolutely agree.
Chirag HAD lateral movement and now that's also gone. But other players have taken up the role now 😂
They are banned from more or less any tournament
Well put.
yes, for those of us who've played competitive badminton...albeit at the amateur level...theres also quite a few of these dirty serve tactics...for example especially the one where the opponent serves IMMEDIATELY once you look up (when getting ready to receive the serve), giving u little time to react to it. mostly its a flick to the back court. i guess you just have to learn to deal with them...eg get ready faster, or be aware and counter these dirty tactics...
no, it should be fault. You can tactle it by pointing your hand up while maintaining eye contact and getting ready. when you are ready with racket up, point the hand down and then receive the serve.
In fair game, these dirty tricks should not be tolerated in both professional and amateur games. At least you have one second to two seconds allowance there. Not instantly serves whilst hand down. No dirty delay as well.
I saw player delay serve while player ready faster. it is annoying as well for receiving end too. You know if u play badminton.
@@alexkoo81 yes both are annoying…personally never respect players who pull these tricks. Just shows u they don’t think they can beat u with their skills (they’re admitting implicitly ure better than them) and they have to resort to cheap tactics to win
Yeah why not the umpire give permission to serve and its the same for both players. These type on antics were amusing when youre 6 year old
Lol Antonsen and Marin every time something annoying happens
sindhu just cracked every tactics played by marin, hope she could have won that
She clearly got baited by it
He'is not ready, not ready to lose...😂😂
Thanks for making, insightful !
Antonsen always plays dirty like that.
Why Haaland playing badminton 😶
I thought I was the only one thinking that 😂
I think there should be a new rule regarding this fact, its so frustrating to deal with this nonsense. I hope in the future consequences of applying this tactic will be a disqualify or ban
fact is: umpires are too soft. BWF should do something about it either.
Yeah you're right, if umpires actually gave cards, Antonsen and Marin wouldn't be able to use these dirty tactics.
I agree let’s see some red cards !
What a shame Nishimoto, he clearly knows the other is not fully ready
Whoever thought is haaland on the thumbnail im with you 😂😂😂
with antonsen and nishimoto both players are at fault. one time antonsen indicated he wasnt ready and them celebrated the serve being out. like gillian said, cant have it both ways. another time he moved and struck the shuttle and said he wasnt ready. fault is his there. if you're not ready you dont move, and you certainly dont strike the shuttle. however, nishimoto is getting into position to serve before his opponent gets into position, and then releasing the serve the moment his opponent sinks into position when he knows his opponent requires just another moment to be ready, just as is described perfectly in this video subtitles @3:43.and that captures most of the problems in this video, aside from carolina marin, players arent delaying getting ready, they are facing instantaneous serves as they as they get into position and before they are ready the best way to handle this is 1) stay calm and do not move for the shuttle when it is served to you this way, just put your hand up, 2) do not attempt to claim a point as yours when you are not ready for the serve, 3) if the umpire says anything to you, just respond calmly that you need only one more moment before the serve, 4) the server persists do not start complaining or trying to return the shuttle, just stick to 1-3 above
I just love your intro like marvels❤❤❤❤
Seo of Korea in MD, he is still serving with that annoying trick in Japan open in November 2023. Moving the shuttle with all motions before serving.
3:34 Chou already had his left hand holding up when he tried to be in the position, he knew Nishimoto is gonna serve quickly - I've had a few very quick-ready server before, whom I felt not doing it for the dirty purpose (unlike it here which was quite "the earliest possible"), so I just tried to keep one hand up when I got ready, it was inconvenient but was okay. There was, though, once, I had a game with (very amateurs) and the lady CONSTANTLY served while I was still "moving into the ready position". It was incredibly annoying. I was not even still yet and she served. She definitely did it on purpose and want to serve while the opponent is not really ready. I really don't see the point - we are so at the amateur level. That is so dirty and way worse than the proper sudden flick serve. Saw some comments about the slow serving - I do it a lot now, unintentionally. It was mostly because I don't get to (lazy) practice my serve anymore (like before), so it just takes longer and longer to access and avoid a really bad serve. (especially if I just had a bad serve, oops) Sometimes I saw my component already moved (when I hit it too slowly - sigh - I really should practice serving!) but, maybe not as long as 10 sec. It is just really hard to do a good doubles serve - considering what kind of 3rd shots you are passing onto your partner.
Is the serve at 6:28 always a fault according to the rulebook or is it a gray area. Because a lot of people at local club level start using it.
I can't stand Marin such a dirty player I can't watch her compete does my absolute head in. I think Badminton has got to bring in a new set of rules about a serving time limit when to serve when the opponent is ready and what happens if they continuously waste time.
Soon, the receiver's partner would say I was not ready at the serve.
I don't blame Nishimoto - when the umpire shows that these tricks are allowed, you use them to win. It is up to the umpire to show that you cannot use these tricks, but he let Antonsen use it so many times.
Imagine if antonsen and marine Carolina played mixed doubles together
Antonsen should realize his bs, when the crowd cheers on the umpire for giving him a yellow card. I was thinking that Nishimoto was quite fast to serve, hitting the shuttle as soon has Antonsen lowered his hand at times. Then was his time to shine in this compilation of silliness. I mean, it's singles, the serve isn't the most important part unlike doubles.
Great compilation. Marin can be seen in any of the videos which mention annoying/unfair/wrong etc. Antonsen is a great athlete and a player of great caliber, it doesn't suit his stature to do such cheap tactics.
He's been doing it more and more since 2021. Becoming the MS Marin
Marin is the mother of those titles
Doing dirty and lame tricks disqualifies someone from being a "great athlete and player of great caliber". His behavior makes him look like a freaking clown
Nishimoto was also using dirty tactics lol. He moved too much and in a split second serves the shuttle. In the recent matches, you can see he stopped using this tactic which could possibly mean he has been warned by his coach not to play tricks like this.
Yeah if you watched the whole video you'd see this was also in the video.
This rule is so stupid, it should be like in volleyball, the referee whistles and you have a few second to serve, doesnt matter if the opponent is ready, how not to be ready if your only one job is to be ready
It's not dirty tactics to serve right after the opponent is ready, it's just frowned upon. It's like touching gloves in boxing, once you touched gloves means the fight has already started. And some fighters use this as a surprise attack. It's not illegal in the rules, so be ready. France vs Japan MD, she has already put her hand down and the French served. Nothing wrong with that. For CTC V nishimoto, ctc still has his hand up, iirc, his ready position isn't the same as the "wait i'm not ready" position, so no one should be confused. I didn't look at the rules, but I'm pretty sure there shouldn't be a rule saying "wait for 1-2 seconds before serving once opponent indicated they are ready", at most it's only common courtesy.
if you do that shinanigans in our group u will prop. not see the ball that often because u will get replaced :D
The legend has it that the Danish is not ready to this date.
Viktor is ready
A few to also mention: 1. Choi holding the serve for 10 seconds before serving (vs Minions). 2. Shetty and his serve routine 3. Looking away and then flicking (Wang Chang)
Korean MD player server in general have issue; LYD specifically always serve higher than the hip (old rule). Probably explain why he retired shortly after more objective rule changed to use 1.15 meter device introduced
OHHH REALLY ?... MINIONS are the most annoying player i have ever seen...
Minions are the worst when it comes to sportsmanship lmaoo
@@teguhsuryadi5387 ? He was rarely faulted with his serve in regards to serve height. Not to mention his serves were not particularly higher compared to other players at the time. And he only retired from international tours in 2022 which is 4 years after the change of service rule and he's still playing professionally within Korea.
@@teguhsuryadi5387more than half men's double serves were higher than the hip in the old days. Not just any one specific player
How am I not surprised antonsen was in this video haha. low class tricks.
Nice intro! Just like marvel intro!
Denmark produces brats in sport with poor sportsmanship. Holger Rune: hold my beer Antensen: i will hold his beer
The umpire should've just awarded points accordingly. No need to argue at all.
I mean...tactic is tactic, but some of these are just habbits, bad habbits, which should not be tolerated and could be reduced if strictly prohibited
These are kinda nuts haha
Is that haaland at the start 😭 haaland went from football to badminton 😭
what's the problem to start use whistle to serve? like in volleyball?
Nishimoto served a little too fast for my taste.
Antonsen started it
@@adarshminj2543 Did Chou start it too in the final, or it was just a carry over effect?
Marin and Antonsen plays mind games the most... And their rankings are almost same... They deserve to be couple
easy - when addressing to serve/receive - the timer should allow 5 seconds and then you must be ready and play continues.
I wanna see Antonsen vs Marin
Badminton umpires are very unprofessional in general.
In Japan, you serve Sumo style- the split second the wrestler touches both knuckles on the ground, BOOM
Amazing 😊
Ngl when i first looked at the thumbnail I thought it was Haland playing badminton
It's time for BWF to issue a directive (probably fresh serving rules, if necessary) to the players. Let them all learn the sportsmanship along with the game.
The instant serves are so dirty. I play badminton myself and to receive serves like these is just annoying as hell. I always wait for the opponent to stand ready, before I raise my racket to get ready to serve. This should be some kind of rule, to prevent these instant serves.
So Antonsen and MARIN are the problem in badminton. Wow, classic Europeans. Doing anything to win!
Nishimoto used it a lot.
Yo, Haaland is playing badminton too???
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They’re going to be using VAR at some point to avoid some of this. The poor umpire isn’t able to watch both players closely enough to get it right every time. Same goes for action around the net.
Looks more like special Olympics
I hope BWF will amend the badminton rule to make side-way (as well as up-and-down) swinging immediately before a service a fault. It is annoying! I like to see a vote for this. ^_^
Why is my man erling haaland not ready 🙃
People are hating on Antonsen here. Sure what he did was unfair. But serving instantly on ready up (as nishimoto did here constantly), I consider just as unfair
I was wondering how everyone was so clueless and oblivious about what Nishimoto was trying to pull. Apparently nobody on the internet plays badminton. Neither do the commentators (Yes, I know Gill Clark is an accomplished player but how she isn't aware of what was going on is still absolutely baffling).
@@xyzcv5I think she always had a bad impression of Antonsen, such as delaying the game
@@xyzcv5 she played long ago. plus these dirty tactics werent known by everyone back then perhaps. nowadays with badminton becoming more competitive theres more of these dirty tactics of people trying to win by less than sportsmanlike ways...
@@xyzcv5LOL obviously you're the crying baby here. Nishimoto played absolutely under the rule and every player had played like this for years. So why is Antonson so special huh? Shut up already dude
Antonsen body position ready, racket ready, looking at the server, and still not ready? Even Gillian Clark says why on earrth wasn't he ready. I think its acceptable to put your hand up and get into the ready position (which antonson did) but once that is down, you should be execpting the serve. Not be like, hold on, im still not ready which is what Antonson shown here and that should not be acceptable.
The real good players never had to do these obnoxious cheats
It says something when the crowd applause when you get a yellow card for misconduct. Poor sportsmanship shown from Antonsen
maybe umpire has to ask ready and both say yes then serve :D
I think they need a rule for that to be ready like on volleyball.. when the umpire blow the whistle ready or not serve must do in 8 sec and reciever should be ready to stop this exploit..
if there is a service fault rule, there should be a receiver fault rule too and reward server the point
Most of them are from Europe, they like to play mental game.
Probably part of the reason why this sport is not more popular. Stupid little quirks like this ready, not ready bullshit. Sort out a non ambiguous rule and that is final.
安東森真的厲害，居然沒有被自己噁心到當吐出來🙄
After seeing all of these tricks, I realize now that complaining about Kevin Sukamuljo's spin serve is absurd. His is more of technical tricks 😅
If the server is serving, then it's up to the receiver to be ready. A simple rule change puts the responsibility to be ready on the receiver. I can't understand why some sports tie themselves up in knots like this.
I think Higashino needed to let the shuttle fall to the ground instead of trying to attack it
They transform badminton into something of "dirty tricks"
Antonsen should have lost many of those points.
Thumbnail appears as if haaland was playing.😅
Now do a video on the wayyyyyy too high serves Ahsan, MGF, YYS...ah wait but those are players you seem to like so you'll never look at their negative side, eh?
Why the hell you mentioned ahsan in this. LYD's serve was much worse. MFG and YYS were probably the worse tho
@@langsz Before the rule change to 115cm, Ahsan didn't perform a single legal serve in his life. He started high already and then lifted his arm fully parallel to the floor - just like YYS and MGF. LYD was definitely not worse than that. Look at his serves in slow mo, they weren't even close to legal. That's why I mentioned him.
YYS and Lee Yong Dae strolling around the court between points
Antonsen is a giant fr
woww i thought antonsen was a pure proo
04:28 In my opinion, i don't think it's wrong for what Thom Gicquel serving instantly after his opponents put their hand down.. cuz his opponent already took more than 6 secs (according to this clip) in unready position while he already ready to serve
At 2:23 Antonsen did not deserve a yellow card. The fault was with Nishimoto who served very quickly.
Cool!
have the rules changed?? We were taught the point of contact for a serve is BELOW the waist... All the doubles players were easily hitting above the waistline with the way they are holding the racquets....All fault serves...
Shall we ban those players
Me who doesn't care if they live their racket, cuz I only focus when the shuttle is hit
are there none of renkireddy and shetty?😂😂
Yeah and guess who taught them how to do that? Matthias 10seconds Boe
@@djdavidphillipsthey also do that annoying thing where they move the racquet like a search light back and forth before serving
Дисквалифицировать надо без предупреждения за любые методы набивания очков на подаче. Смысл бадминтона не в сложной обманной подаче, а в дальнейшей игре
"If you play badminton you would know that you need 1-2 sec in your ready position before you receive a serve" Source?
Yeah I don't get this either. BWF rules never stated that you need to wait 1-2 seconds after your opponent is ready.
@@Lucas-ov9kyI don't think it's means rules wise but more as a receiver you aren't 100% ready weight distribution wise the moment you drop your hand
@@PaulFilmer also eyes and brain
Lol what nishimoto did , Lee Chong Wei did it too , when it comes from underdog players , it count as dirty trick , but by the legend no one give a f
I haven't noticed but if LCW did it too, then shame on him as well. The rule and criticism should apply to everyone fairly.
Always had bad vibes about Nishimoto, fool looks hella shady. I lost so much respect for Antonsen after this. He's a world class player, should rely on his skills rather than cheap tricks to get a point. SHAME.
Same here. U can see it in Nishimoto's eyes. He has had little success winning titles throughout his career and is obviously desperate to try whatever he can to get there. Antonsen is also a sore loser, as most Danes are. I have nothing against Danes but statistically you can not deny that there are so many Danes who always appear to be angry and have poor sportsmanship. One exception is Gade who would show frustration but had always been respectful and fair in his games. Take a loss like a real athlete.
@@Cookie_boi316 remind me of the current danish mixed double pairs , the male player has insane anger issue, and the female is a sore loser who behaves like a child in one of her womens doubles match.
Everything about this: the video, the fact that everybody is cheating, the refs, etc. it’s all just very childlike
If antonsen and marin play a mixed double..
I’m getting annoyed just watching Antonsen…😡