Battlefield S5/E5 -The Battle of Arnhem , Operation Market Garden

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I've never heard anyone in the airborne 82nd or 101st say anything like this. I'm gonna call 1000% bullshit after reading your 900 word essay bio on your KZhead page 😂

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@@jeremyk_541 You're not a veteran of the US 82nd airborne are you? the division that caused the entire collapse of "Market Garden"?

+Andrew West And idiots running pawn shops, picking antiques, ice roads, and salvaging cars....

Mark Healy Unfortunately the shows you mention are not true reality shows but are actually staged events....

Thank god for the internet, I say.

chum lee go get the papers.... kill me alrdy pls

Ancient aliens is much more acceptable compare bullshit shows like pawnstars, curse of the oak island, storage wars

Well said

@Trevor Phillips: right or wrong - the German soldier boys were heroes, too. They fought with bravery against an overwhelming enemy for at least five long years. No war criminals at all. Even excellent U.S. general Patton respected the Germans. Okay - war is over...

Musique classique

Patton ran circles around the snot in Sicily .They don't study the Monty's tactics in Moscow,Washington,Berlin or Beijing

RESPECT !!!

@@USS-SNAKE-ISLAND That was more the SS

I think the bridge is now known as the John frost bridge ?.

@@spanishpropertyconsultants Yes that is true, they named the bridge in Arnhem after him!

As it should be.

Too bad Sosabowski was scapegoated for the failure of Market Garden by Montgomery. The Polish General Staff was forced to remove him from command of his brigade.

He was an ' inconvenient ' general because of lack of ego, realistic, straightforward approach and daring to criticise Montgomery's over ambitious planning and strategy.

Why would you be riding on a tank when a sniper is operating, thats just stupid, why would any body me foolish enough to snipe at a tank more than once and i should imagine it would be for the commander only then your games up and the hatches get closed, makes no sence your story after all tanks have telescopic lenses to, only they throw 75mm shell through there barrels....

Erwin Fluit. Too many people fighting over who gets what credit and what blame. The important thing is to remember the simple soldier and what they risked and sacraficed. I am from the US and am proud of all of the allied soldiers. It is so cool that you and the people there remember those soldiers so many years later.

The only freedom you have is Sharia Law, Holland doesn't mean shit now.

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The consequences of a failed Operation Market Garden was starvation of the Dutch Citizens as Germany took the food & harvests for themselves after this...☹️

Erwin Fluit love you all!

Me too

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth! -Tyson

@@steed3902 basically both saying the same thing

@@bigwoody4704 There's also a saying, If you don’t try, you can’t fail. If you do try, you might fail anyway. But better to have failed than never tried.

It was a bad idea that for once actually proved IKE's point ABout the broad front - that the Reds were using on the eastern front. Too many choke points easily to defend with the polder marshes and flooded ditches restricting the advance to one road . Many of the arguments made were by British Officers when planning for Operations Linnet/Comet before adding the 82nd/101st Airborne Divisions to that to become MARKET GARDEN. They had also brought up the length and number of flights and over 2 hrs less daylight on September 17 than in June 6th. It is 260 miles (by air)from London to Arnhem and the Airstrips were 50 miles west of London so just over 300 miles - ONE WAY. In 1940s prop driven cargo planes - so reality exists.

@@bigwoody4704 Concentration of Force ( Schwerpunkt) is a military principle that dates back as well, Frederick the Great and other generals used it.

You must be very proud of your uncle and it is good to hear that he survived and that you honour his service and sacrifice for his country. My father landed with the Canadians on Juno Beach on D-Day with an RAF Forward Air Control unit and was at the front line throughout the whole Allied offensive from Normandy, through Belgium, Holland and Germany and finally into Denmark at the end of the war. Our close relatives were lucky to survive and we can be proud of them and all the Allied soldiers who fought for our freedom.

@@SNP-1999 - My Great Uncle. But thanks.

I live in one of the houses you can see in the video, the bridge is a 2 min walk for me. Its very strange seeing this video and the battle that took place. We still honor the Airborne division every year and the entire city raises the Airborne flag

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In Malburgen? :-)

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thank you for your lovely message. believe me when I say, we'd do it all again if we had to. but today our enemies fight far differently to what they did years ago. this time we fight them in a different manner. terrorism wears no uniform.

"freedom of europe" ???? Really?

No joke! Good catch, thanks for the time stamp!

Saw that also! Amazing presence of mind!

Looks like they accidentally ran into each other . . .what a surprise. Amazing how pure reactions take over and he managed to do something before the dude could level his rifle at him.

Great spot Lyndon Mc ! A brick to the head works a treat !

Dafuq dis man is history?

+Piet Veerman Truly but we shall see.

We shall see what?

Freedoms going away again as these new wars worsen. I visited Arnhem, looked nice when I was there.

+BLynchCAN What new wars are these that involve Arnhem?

+Hardtop Harry Does this third world war in the middle east not involve all of us? Now involving 14 or 15 countries.

Which 'last high command meeting' was that?

@@thevillaaston7811 The one they had immediately after the failure of Operation Market Garden. It's referenced in the documentary if you watched it.

@@jayharr6250 The meeting immediately after MARKET GARDEN took place on the 5th October took place at Versailles, and Montgomery attended this meeting. A meeting took place at Versailles on the 22nd September which Montgomery did not attend. This was at a crucial point in the attack on Arnhem. Why should Montgomery have travelled 230 miles (even that is a straight line distance) to Versailles at such a crucial time? The dates that I have noted were in 1944 - to save you looking up which year it was. It would seem to me, that from a distance 79 years later, Montgomery had got priorities right. What was cowardly about an army group commander being up with his armies?

little villa you're a bigger poof than your hero who was no where around during hostilities. Oh he attended a meeting LMAO the knives were out at SHAEF even Alan brooke thru him under the table.The backbone of a gummy bear monty had - chicken shit it's called

@@thevillaaston7811 My guess is "bigwoody" is a clueless yank. Ignorant of the fact of the idiot commander of the US 82nd airborne division being the root cause of the whole failure of Market Garden.

The SS man Prince Bernhard can go and shag himself. He was shown the door by British and US intelligence. Only his royal connections kept him out of prison in the 1970s

Ya he voted yrs ago he had no idea. Where are your sources,little villa? Where are the Prince's crimes 'like Monty getting 22,000 of their Citizens killed in the Honger Winter. Speaking of RoyalsJust like your crown violating international laws and blockading Northern German ports starving 3/4 of a million German Citizens during WW1. Then sticking Germany with the Bill in a war they didn't start. Your Royals shoving everyone's shit in and taking anything but a red hot stove from plundered nations. Then your crown demand reparations at Versailles that nobody else received when your stinking Royals invaded and subjugated counties near/far like Ireland and india,USA & everyone else for 350 years you may have gotten a sympathetic ear. The realization soon settled in that the Treaty of Versailles was anything but a fair settlement for all parties involved. The treaty forced Germany to disarm, to make territorial concessions, and to pay reparations to the Allied powers in the staggering amount of $5 billion. The lost territory in total, Germany lost 25,000 square miles of its original territory. This was not only a punishment for the German government, but for the German people themselves, given that many of them lost their homes as a result of these measures. By placing the burden of war guilt entirely on Germany, imposing harsh reparations payments and creating an increasingly unstable collection of smaller nations in Europe, the treaty would ultimately fail to resolve the underlying issues that caused war to break out in 1914, and help pave the way for another massive global conflict 20 years later. The only thing replacing other nations hatred for your crown was that Hitler turned into a bigger creep than they were. Ya hard to imagine BTW your Aristocrats stiffed the US Treasurey for unpaid loans

Straight from Wikipedia: 'Scandal rocked the Royal family in 1976 when the press reported that Prince Bernhard had accepted a US$1.1 million bribe from U.S. aircraft manufacturer Lockheed Corporation to influence the Dutch government's purchase of fighter aircraft. At the time he had served on more than 300 corporate boards and committees worldwide and had been praised in the Netherlands for his efforts to promote the economic well-being of the country. Prime Minister of the Netherlands Joop den Uyl ordered an inquiry into the Lockheed affair. Prince Bernhard refused to answer reporters' questions, stating: "I am above such things".[38][39] The Dutch and international press headlined the stories for months. They also brought up records of Prince Bernhard's Reiter SS membership and details of his numerous extramarital affairs. They noted he had purchased a luxurious Paris apartment for his mistress Hélène Grinda (granddaughter of Édouard Grinda), with whom he had a daughter, Alexia, who was illegitimate. Bernhard had an older illegitimate daughter, Alicia, born in the United States (with a German pilot whom he met in Mexico in 1951). On 26 August 1976, a full report of Prince Bernhard's activities was released to a shocked Dutch public. The Prince's own letter of 1974, to Lockheed Corporation, was publicised; he had demanded "commissions" be paid to him on Dutch government aircraft purchases. This was very damaging evidence of improper conduct by the man who was Inspector-General of the Dutch Armed Forces. Out of respect for Queen Juliana, the government did not press charges against Bernhard.[39] Prince Bernhard resigned as Inspector-General of the Dutch Armed Forces. He was no longer officially allowed to wear a uniform in public.[39] But a few years later, he was in full military dress when he attended the 1979 funeral of Lord Mountbatten in London. Prime Minister Joop den Uyl made a statement in Parliament and told the delegates that the Prince would also resign from his various high-profile positions in businesses, charities, and other institutions. The Dutch States-General voted against criminal prosecution. Prince Bernhard turned over the Presidency of the international World Wildlife Fund to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.[39] In an interview published after his death, on 14 December 2004, Prince Bernhard admitted that he had accepted more than one million dollars (US) in bribes from Lockheed. He acknowledged it was a mistake and claimed that all of the money went to the WWF. He said: "I have accepted that the word Lockheed will be carved on my tombstone."[40] He also confirmed having fathered two illegitimate daughters.[41] In February 2008, Joop den Uyl's biography claimed that the official report investigating the Lockheed bribe scandal also presented proof that the Prince had accepted money from yet another aerospace firm: Northrop. The former Prime Minister claimed he had not made the information public to protect the Dutch monarchy.[42]'

even if true who what does that do with the British - who bribed the Crown to clam up about monty molesting little boys Lucian,err I mean little villa? And what are your sources? Wiki again,of course after YOU edited it.

|s that supposed to be funny?

No but it's accurate

Big Woody is 16/17 year old from Cleveland, Ohio, USA who hates Britain.

More Monty victims Giovanni Pierre created 28 Sept 2013 John Burns created 07 Nov 2013 John Cornell created 13 Nov 2013 TheVilla Aston created 20 Nov 2013

Both are excellent books

user-ie6vp2gg2u You would do better to read the words of pople that were actually there.

Little villa you revisionist Monty like you wasn't there. What other rare gems have you mined for the comment section today?

@@thevillaaston7811 Hastings and Kershaw's books are replete with the accounts of the Market-Garden battles by those who participated.

@@user-ie6vp2gg2u But Hastings and Kershaw's own opinions are all but worthless. They were not there. How many of their accounts of the Market-Garden battles by those who participated are related direct to the authors? How much new factual information do their works contain? All of the major paricipants are long dead, having had their say. Martin Middlebrook's 'Arnhem 1944 The Airborne Battle' in 1994, that was built around testimony given to Middlebrook from 500 of the remaining veterans was probably the last time that those who took part could give their stories direct to an an author. The 'higher ups', Urquhart, Gavin, Horrocks, and so on have had their say, in published memoirs, or in testimony given to the likes of Chester Wilmot and Cornelius Ryan. The evidence trail must have been pretty cold by 2004, and 2008. The subject has long since been done to death. And yet, author after author keeps on churning out works that are claimed to be 'definitive', 'the last word', and so on. I have got one here: Arnhem: 'The Battle for the Bridges, 1944' by Antony bloody Beevor, in which, he claims to uneathed the unknown story of the Dutch Hunger Winter to justify his work. So unknown, it has only been known to people since May 1945 with the press and cinema news coverage of 'Operation Manna'. The damn thing was published in 2018, 74 years after the event. In fairly recent times, a bloke called Sebastian Ritchie published a work that covered the aerial recce and other intelligence work for Arnhem. It shows, amongst other things the actual aerial photos of the Arnhem area taken in the run up to MARKET GARDEN. That was probably worth doing, but his work hardly changed the overall story of the battle. Now, in 2023, there must be hardly anyone alive who took part in the Arnhem fighting. It now 79 years after the event, and yet, the subject is continually being raked over, usually by authors who are hoping to make a few bob.

I would hope not but wouldn’t say ever. Humanity only gets bigger. And we can’t say for sure that there will never be another world war

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Wow.. respect..

I would like to express my immense gratitude for your family's service and sacrifice

AATW! I was in 2/508. Fury From The Sky!

OMGoodness. My mother and father lived on 0ranjestraat then, also near the bridge. They could've been neighbors.

Where can we see his stories?

How would I find this interview, I would be honored to watch it in full! 😊

Ummm... Germany always and indisputably by the end of the war Germany was fielding the best automatic weapons so I don't know what you mean

No, they have a point: "automatic pistols" were still semi-automatic Machine pistoles often referred to "submachine guns" Names change and all words are made up... So it happens 😅

'The Siegfried Line was just a bunch of tank traps. It had no military significence. Your great-great grandmother would easily have walked through it with a musket.' And you know this because?..

But MARKET GARDEN seems to have failed due to the MARKET air plan, not the GARDEN ground plan.

get the head wound looked at little villa,Monty chickens out as 11,000 go in and 2100 come out.Your history is as bad as your math

That King Tiger that shows up 3 or 4 times is also from the Battle of the Bulge. Also the British paratroops are several times described advancing while Sherman tanks are being shown, as if they were air-droppable (which they weren't, of course). Also the 82nd is shown on a map attacking the Nijmegen bridge from the SW (and described as not reaching it b/c of two other blown bridges) where as actually their LZ was east of the town and they didn't take the bridge b/c they were slow off the mark. Battlefield's best feature is the photographs.... ruined by inaccuracy and repetition and too=quick cuts in an attempt to hide those flaws.

Pride and glory seeking at the top got a lot of young men killed

@@jomon723 gots to be first into Germany

@F. Friedrich Kling Likely because the fight for liberation from Nazi rule during WW2 is a seminal moment in the history of Holland which is difficult to simply forget.

@F. Friedrich Kling Right! But see, this is a comment section under a video about a WW2 battle in Holland. See how that works?

Yes, it really is a shame more people do not recognize the significance and sacrifice by so many to free so many. The food drop in ‘45 is still one of the best stories as the bomber crews were overjoyed to drop food stuffs instead of bombs for a nice change. Many that were interviewed were overcome by emotion recounting the drop.

In reality, Hitler made all the battle designs for the Germans, and that’s what ruined any chance of a good defense, as Rommel himself stated, if he had control of the army to his command, the Americans would know what a real war was. Hitler was a political genius, but he was also the worlds worst General! He had Germans fighting the war as stationary targets.

Your wrong about that, only one ss division stayed in russia and that was totenkopf, the other two was moved to west on invasion, whers do st mare su glane masacre or where did joachim piper come from or whitman, even the new fanatical 12ss was formed at sent, your history is like old people fuk, and to post this 8 year ago you should be ashamed you got it so wrong, das reich, lebenstandarte and hitlers jugend was pratically wiped out before allies even got to arnhem, us why they pumped in 9th holstein and the 10th who the allies hadnt realised they was there, to say no ss divisions was there is noncence the the only 3 divions of the SS that was filled with ethnic germans was 1st 2nd 12th which made then tougher than any others as they well and truly was fighting for their country as well as the idealogy.

i live and have grown up in Arnhem. its my home town. i live just a couple of yards away from the bridge. i'm watching this documentary to pay tribute to 'ordinary' people like your dad. he's the reason i can live here in peace and safety..

My Dad too - HQ Signals, 1 Para. Was injured and captured on day 3. Hardly ever spoke of it.

@@paulwatson5030 yes my dad hardly spoke about . He just went quiet every September, bless him

@@giocommentary it's hard to believe how much courage men like my dad had. He was only 5 feet 7 inches tall and weighed just 9 stones when he joined the army at 18 years old. And remarkably he was the same weight when he retired at 65. He was just the best quiet guy you could ever meet and you wonder where he got the guts from to do what he did

@@paulwatson5030 My partner's grandfather was dropped with the 1st paras. He was captured as a POW on 18.9.44 , day 2, and send to Stalag 12A in Limburg. Apparently he never spoke about it to anyone either not even his wife. We found his POW record online which is why we are watching this. There's a website about Stalag 12A camp and the soldiers listed there include some from op market garden.

A united europe is always better than times like ww2. Despite all the issues of modern times

Just keep telling yourself this, the reality is Europe is off much, much worse.

Dont worry, when you and your generation dies the next generation which isn't even majority Dutch won't give a crap about your faux-victim bs.

@@illyrian44 Yeah well, just bc of your children we have a responsibility to keep our countries Ethnostates and not betray them by importing foreigners by the millions.

@Luuk Please do not listen to those morons above who haven't the decency to respect your honest sentiments.

+Richie Y-W Your uncle was never at Arnhem, he was at Oosterbeek.

He is in a picture Robert Capa took there. Regards

Respect to your uncle and to you too. Best regards from the mountaina rangers for the mountain rescue company. God bless you

Talk about tough men mate.

Za ch Always. Every time you hear some unbelievable story - it’s always the Poles.

@@ThoughtsBelow Spot on.

Ya your brain - If the Aspergers Patient Monty had listened to Sosaboski disaster could have been avoided.Monty hatched the plan then got lost - great guy right there

@@ThoughtsBelow Why would Montgomery have listened to Sosaboski? Sosabowski was not in his army so when would they have met after the First Allied Airbone Army was formed? Btw. Big Woody also uses the name Para Dave. He is 16 years old, lives in Cleveland, Ohio, USA and is, what Americans call, a Troll.

because he warned the Pedo about the germans and as history proved again and again - Montgomery was wrong - and pathetic.So I can see why you like him

Agree, they need to drag "Monty" and call him out as the egomaniacal failure that he is.

Technically 2,000 died and 6,000 were captured.

Good that you think of them.

Also pleased to hear that you think of them. Respect.

any idea of how many germans were in the battle area mate ?, I reckon a force of around 50,000 woudnt be too far off the mark

You are right Dennis, I walked on the bridge and the atmosphere was electric

Man dude ( John Cornell ) this is the 3rd time i find an answer from you thats so totally wrong, 2nd SS was not poorly equipped, they where on R&R between Arnhem and Ruurlo, do your research correctly we live in the area, the only tanks that came from germany was a tiger group, the rest was already here.

What US historian Harry Yeide wrote of what the Germans thought of Patton: ▪ for most of the war the Germans barely took notice [of Patton]. ▪ on March 23 at the Battle of El Guettar-the first American victory against the experienced Germans. Patton’s momentum, however, was short-lived: Axis troops held him to virtually no gain until April 7, when they withdrew under threat from British Lieutenant General Bernard Montgomery’s Eighth Army. ▪ There is no indication in the surviving German military records-which include intelligence reports at the theater, army, and division levels-that Patton’s enemies had any idea who he was at the time. Likewise, the immediate postwar accounts of the German commanders in Tunisia, written for the U.S. Army’s History Division, ignore Patton. Those reports show that ground commanders considered II Corps’s attacks under Patton to have been hesitant, and to have missed great opportunities. ▪In mid-June [1943], another detachment report described Patton as “an energetic and responsibility-loving command personality”-a passing comment on one of the numerous Allied commanders. Patton simply had not yet done anything particularly noteworthy in their eyes. ▪ But his race to Palermo through country they had already abandoned left the commanders unimpressed. Major General Eberhard Rodt, who led the 15th Panzergrenadier Division against Patton’s troops during the Allied push toward Messina, thought the American Seventh Army fought hesitantly and predictably. He wrote in an immediate postwar report on Sicily, “The enemy very often conducted his movements systematically, and only attacked after a heavy artillery preparation when he believed he had broken our resistance. This kept him regularly from exploiting the weakness of our situation and gave me the opportunity to consolidate dangerous situations.” Once again, Patton finished a campaign without impressing his opponents. ▪ General Hermann Balck, who took command of Army Group G in September, thus did not think highly of Patton-or any other opposing commanders-during this time. Balck wrote to his commander, Runstedt, on October 10, “I have never been in command of such irregularly assembled and ill-equipped troops. The fact that we have been able to straighten out the situation again…can only be attributed to the bad and hesitating command of the Americans” Looking back on his battles against Patton throughout the autumn, in 1979 Balck recalled, “Within my zone, the Americans never once exploited a success. Often [General Friedrich Wilhelm von] Mellenthin, my chief of staff, and I would stand in front of the map and say, ‘Patton is helping us; he failed to exploit another success.’” ▪ The commander of the Fifth Panzer Army, Hasso von Manteuffel, aimed a dismissive, indirect critique at Patton’s efforts at Bastogne, writing in his memoirs that the Americans did not “strike with full élan.” The commanders who fought against Patton in his last two mobile campaigns in the Saar-Palatinate and east of the Rhine already knew they could not win; their losses from this point forward were inevitable, regardless of the commanding Allied opponent. ▪ the Germans offered Patton faint praise during and immediately after the war. ▪ posterity deserves fact and not myth. The Germans did not track Patton’s movements as the key to Allied intentions. Hitler does not appear to have thought often of Patton, if at all. The Germans considered Patton a hesitant commanding general in the scrum of position warfare. They never raised his name in the context of worthy strategists.

Blisterhead Burns You chronic bed wetter imagine what this Failed Marshmellow Montgomery would say about IKE if he had lost say 200,000 @ Dunkirk or 81,000 @ Singapore or 25-30,000 @ Tobruk but who the hell has losses like that ? The ONLY TIME Patton and Monty were in the same operating sector monty dithered when Patton took both Palermo and Messina in Sicily - as was expected.

In what battle did Patton show excellence of any sort?

Plenty Patton schooled the laggard in Sicily taking Palermo/Messina while Monty dithered. The only time they were on the same stretch of land together. Monty only won with overwhelming advantages in men and materiel - then barely and poorly. Shameful you get so forgetful when it's been pointed out dozens of times - on this board,sad but expected

Icke new the beta brits were only covering the northern flank to the US main army groups in the center and south. Everyone knew it would be a disaster and it was. Tell that to the men of 101 & 82

Eissenhower planned Operation Overlord and looking at the numbers that was a disaster as well. But because they was successful its classed as success even with so many losses?

@@dalj4362 Frederick Morgan, Leigh Mallory, Montgomery and Ramsay planned Overlord.

@@dalj4362 Eisenhower most certainly did not plan Overlord. Not even a little bit. The only involvement he seemed to be accountable for in regards to Overlord was his letter to the world if it went belly-up. That, in itself, was a courageous thing to have to do, but he didn't do any of the planning. All he had to do was say yeah, or nay!

your mom dont need to, cause she heard all the stories from the soldiers, sailors , airmen and marines first hand an hour at a time.

Then he is a fucking liar. You put him on here then we can soon sort out who did what.

Then he is a liar

Monty and XXX Corp faffed everything to hell and that is a fact

Most certainly did they were 36 hours behind then sat another 18 hrs.Try John Keegan,Max Hastings,Biddell-Hart or Antony Beevor

That was from a soldiers perspective on the scene. There was more to it than that.

+birther1968 Montgomery was always with his 21st Army Group troops. Even one of his US critics, Chet Hanson has stated this. As for Montgomery's performance in the Battle of the Bulge, here is a German view: Thec ommander of the 5th Panzer Army, Hasso von Manteuffel stated:‘The operations of the American 1st Army had developed into a series of individual holding actions. Montgomery's contribution to restoring the situation was that he turned a series of isolated actions into a coherent battle fought according to a clear and definite plan. It was his refusal toengage in premature and piecemeal counter-attacks which enabled the Americans to gather their reserves and frustrate the German attempts to extend theirbreakthrough. and here is an American view: KZhead: Corps Commanders of the Bulge: Six American Generals and Victory in the Ardennes: 1hr, 4mins, 30 seconds.

As Bradley said, Montgomery rarely won a battle any other competent general wouldn't have won as well or better. Gelb also notes, that Montgomery was not only famously insensitive and deliberately insulting to his brothers in arms, but he was capable of outright lies if he thought it would elevate him above potential rivals Monty? Puhleeeze,What he won he won with overwhelming superiority in men, materials,ULTRA and air support. And then barely.......and poorly.Not because of maneuver,guile or tactics.Monty had serious deficiencies in fluid battles, and had limited ability to adjust his methods to changing operational situations. balance,flexibility, cooperation, simplicity and the assimulation of combat lessons.he was vain,rude objectionable - a legend in his own mind Your distortions are ludicrous postmortem to absolve the abrasive egomaniac who in any other army would have been relieved. *From the Battle of Arnhem,by Antony Beevor,page 365-66* In fact the fundamental concept of Operation Market Garden defied military logic because it made no allowance for anything to go wrong,nor for the enemy's likely reaction .In short the whole operation ignored the old rule that no plan survives 1st contact with the enemy.Montgomery even blamed the weather not the plan,even asserting the plan was 90% successful because they got 9/10ths of the way to Arnhem General Oberst Student pointed out the strength of the flak batteries were grossly exaggerate .As a result the British lost "surprise",the strongest weapon of airborne troops . *At Arnhem Oberstgruppenfuhrer Wilhelm Bittrich who has great respect for Montgomery's generalship up until then changed his opinion after* When interviewed in 1945, *Heinz Guderian* , the Wehrmacht’s foremost practitioner of Blitzkrieg, stated, “ *General Patton conducted a good campaign. From the standpoint of a tank specialist, I must congratulate him on his victory since he acted as I would have done had I been in his place* General Gunther Blumentritt : *We regarded general Patton extremely highly as the most aggressive panzer-general of the Allies* . . . His operations impressed us enormously, probably because he came closest to our own concept of the classical military commander. He even improved on Napoleon’s basic tenets *From The Rommel Papers by B.H.Liddell-Hart page 523* "In Tunisia the Americans had to pay a stiff price for their experience,but it brought rich dividends .Even at the time American Generals showed themselves to be very advanced in the technical handling of their forces, *Although we had to wait until Patton's Army in France to see the most astonishing achievements in mobile warfare* The Americans it is fair to say,profited far more than the British from their experience in Africa,thus confirming axiom that education is easier than re-education" *Patton:A Genius for War,By Carlo D'Este* After the War General Fritz Bayerlein commander of Panzer Lehr Division and the Afrika Corp.He assessed the escape of Rommel's Panzers after Alamein *I do not think General Patton would have let us get away so easily* said Bayerlein .Comparing Patton with Guderian and Montgomery with Von Rundstedt. From a letter on exhibit at Wichita KS "Museum of World treasures" *Hasso Von Manteuffel* 8018 Diessen am ammersee Mariahilfe Strasse 7. Dec. 16. 1976 Dear Mr. Dellingatti; I thank you for your letter, attached you find a photo as you asked for. *In my opinion General Patton was a master of lightning warfare and the best commander in this reference - in spite of several sorts of frailty of human nature! Evidence of his excellent command and control of an army are the campaign in Sicily, the break-out in Brittany 1944 and during the Battle of the Bulge Dec 1944. I agree with Ladislaw Farago first-rate book on Patton "Ordeal and Triumph" - an excellent report! With very good wishes*

An exciting war film, but full of inaccuracies. The director admitted he had slanted it to appeal to American audiences.

Um no It was right on the money so accurate that Monty didn't appear in it either

@@bigwoody4704 They forgot to add in the film that the British paratroopers also landed in with 83 anti tank guns brought in via Hamilcar Mark I and Airspeed AS.51 Horsa gliders.

Well they weren't distributed right or too scattered but more than likely A BRIDGE TOO FAR - Gerry was well suplied and supported and falling back on all of that where the allies were stretched - Bad Plan

@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- The film kicks off with the lunatic claim that in 1944, Germany was still winning the war.

Leo hOFLAND - Occupied Europe was COVERED with Axis armored units of all types. Please tell us where in the Benelux countries the Allies could have gone without an Axis armored unit of any type being within 50 miles. BTW - Montgomery and Browning were well aware there were probably armored units in the area. Please tell us what YOU would have done.

You are wrong John Cornell, Leadership was warned but the para's where not warned about the 2nd SS panzer division by their peers, those tanks did not come out of germany, but an area between arnhem and Ruurlo, the germans did sent a tiger group from germany to help, the dutch resistance and even an allied photo clearly showed that the 2nd SS panzers where in de area, but they ignored it and didnt inform the para's who thought they would be fighting kids and old men. And lets face it, the anti tank equipment the para's got to their exposal, the piat and 37mm anti tank gun, are kinda crap against mark 4, panther, and tiger tanks, not to mention the self propelled anti tank weaponry the germans had nearby. Even if 30th core had reached arnhem, they would have lost alot of tank crews because the germans had dug in with the 2nd SS ready for pincer movements. The operation should never have happened.

The Intelligence that warned of the Panzers wasn't relayed to the men on the ground and discounted by Montgomery.

Marki Faux www.airpowerstudies.co.uk/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/Arnhem.pdf "the composition of the German forces at Arnhem was far more complex than most published histories of Market Garden had tended to suggest. The two SS panzer divisions had been operating far below their full strength on the eve of the operation and, while 1st Airborne was ultimately confronted by armour in considerable strength, hardly any tanks were actually present in the Arnhem area on 17 September. The vast majority deployed from Germany or other battle fronts after the airborne landings" - ARNHEM - THE AIR RECONNAISSANCE STORY by the RAF Some low level pictures of a few Panzer IIIs and IVs were taken in early September for operation Comet. Ryan on speaking to Urquhart got it wrong. "Urquhart’s account is therefore somewhat perplexing. Further problems arise if we seek to document the events he described. Several extensive searches for the photographs have failed to locate them. Ostensibly, this might not seem surprising, as most tactical reconnaissance material was destroyed after the war, but Urquhart insisted that the Arnhem sortie was flown by a Spitfire squadron based at Benson; this would almost certainly mean 541 Squadron. Far more imagery from the Benson squadrons survived within the UK archives, but *no oblique photographs showing tanks at Arnhem.* In addition, although the Benson missions were systematically recorded at squadron and group level, not one record matches the sortie Urquhart described." "The low-level missions targeting the bridges on 6 September were scrupulously noted down, but all other recorded reconnaissance sorties over Arnhem were flown at higher altitudes and captured vertical imagery. Equally, it has *proved impossible as yet to locate an interpretation report derived from a low-level mission that photographed German armour near Arnhem before Market Garden."* "As for Brian Urquhart’s famous account of how a low-level Spitfire sortie took photographs of tanks assumed to belong to II SS Panzer Corps, the reality was rather different. In all probability, the low-level mission that Urquhart recalled photographed the bridges and not the tanks" - ARNHEM - THE AIR RECONNAISSANCE STORY by the RAF

Rolf Penterman John Cornell is 100% correct. There was *no* German armour in or around Arnhem prior to the jump day. All came in from Germany. You also write complete drivel with no knowledge of Market Garden whatsoever.

Sorry I meant Panzer Corps.

2 very under strength panzer divisions, with nearly no tanks. Their presence was known, and acted upon. Two whole airborne divisions and extra AT equipment was added.

Stevie ULTRA and allied HQ warned the misguided slappie - who like you was nowhere around during hostilities

​@@bigwoody4704which evidence was ignored? Why was Comet cancelled?

Because unlike you and Monty they realized it was irrational and that the Port of antwerp would need to be opened 1st. And when the the flights were literally 300 miles long ONE WAY the planners realized the Germans and their flak guns would be waiting. The fact I have to keep explaining obvious rudimentary operations to you might explain why the British forces were being "evacuated" from 1940 Norway,Netherlands, Belgium and France,Dunkirk 1941 Greece, Crete,Hong Kong and Libya. 1942 Tobruk and Dieppe,Singapore if the US was bad, then the British should have stayed home and saved a bunch of Englishmen - after having already using the colonials as sandbags that is.🤣 Monty lost a lot. What he won he won with overwhelming superiority in men, materials, and air support. And then barely.. and poorly.

Look up TIKs.

Where was allied airpower

@@burtoncalloway4357 Ask the USAAF.

Aah yes. The British upper class. Let's not forget, those same officers wouldn't have given the time of day to the brave men dying at their command , on any street in England before the war. Upper classmen all. Lower class weren't even considered on merit. Not worth it you know. No, it wouldn't do to have to honor a non peer at a cocktail party would it?

Genau und Dünkirchen haben uns die Briten bis Heute nicht vergeben.

@@herbertsattelmeier2941 Ich denke die Briten sehen das entspannter und verbuchen Dünkirchen als einen Erfolg für sich, dann 1. ist der Krieg lange vorbei und 2. war die Evakuierung von Dünkirchen nach den voraus gegangenen Ereignissen militärisch notwendig und ein grosser Erfolg. Eingekesselt und stur sitzenbleiben und auf wundersame Weise dennoch auf Sieg hoffen wie in Stalingrad oder Tunesien , dabei jedesmal ü. 200.000 Mann verlieren widerspricht da eher jeder militärischen Logik.

Sorry General, do you mean the key error was in the actual plan, or do you mean the documentary made an error by ignoring the things you've mentioned ?

Mr Custer, You really are an idiot. Stop getting your history from Hollywood.

Yes he got promoted!

John Burns stop getting history from your ass

Rambo, fantastic. Please tell us what else you made up today.

patton was a great general , montgomery was a bad general and arrogant men

i have respect for the english soldiers,not for Montgomery, ask the question to a canadiaan veteraan from D-day ? than you know why !!!

That's why monty didn't move forward for 6 Months after OMG.And Patton,Hodges and the 291st engineers crossed the Rhine days in front of Monty - who took tons of casualties(again) when he finally did

UNITED STATES ARMY IN WORLD WAR II The European Theater of Operations THE SIEGFRIED LINE CAMPAIGN By Charles B. MacDonald CENTER OF MILITARY HISTORY UNITED STATES ARMY WASHINGTON, D.C., 1993 P 141 ‘Someone in an American glider that was shot down near the First Parachute Army's command post was carrying a copy of the Allied operational order. Two hours after the first parachute had blossomed, this order was on General Student's desk.’ CHESTER WILMOT THE STRUGGLE FOR EUROPE WM. COLLINS, SONS AND CO LTD. 1954 P 561 ‘Thus it was that by a double twist of fortune the two Germans primarily responsible for the defence of Holland found themselves so placed that they could act at once to counter the advantage the Allies had won by gaining surprise. Nor was this all. The German reserves were slender, but Model and Student soon knew exactly where to use them. Early that afternoon an American glider was shot down close to Vught, and, says Student, " a few hours later the orders for the complete airborne operation were on my desk."’ MAJOR-GENERAL R.E. URQUAHART CB DSO WITH WILFRED GRETOREX ARNHEM CASSELL & COMPANY LTD 1958 P42 ‘Two hours after the landings had begun, the complete orders for the entire Airborne Corps operation were on the desk of General Student in his cottage at Vught. They had been found on the body of an American soldier in a glider shot down close to the village. Thus, the carelessness or wilful disobedience of one soldier gave the Germans an immediate compensation for the advantage we had of surprise.’

It was never called a Ronson.

Sherman was really just a light anti personnel tank

‘paper tiger’ Britain, with a land area no larger than the US State of Oregon, with a current population no larger than the US States of California and Texas created the biggest empire in history. Come the FOUR year First World War, Britain stumped up 800,000 casualties, and the Royal Navy blockade led to Germany seeking an armistice. Come the SIX year Second World War, Britain fought from the beginning to the end and in every theatre of war, the only major power to do so. 'Pure and simple' Yes, I think you are.

Can a paper tiger do this? British battle victories over the Germans. Battle of the River Plate, 13 December 1939 Battle of Britain, 10 July - 31 October 1940 Siege of Malta, 11 June 1940 - 20 November 1942 Attack on Mers-el-Kébir . 3 July 1940 Battle of Cape Spada. 19 July 1940 Operation Hurry, 31 July-4 August 1940 Battle of Cape Passero, 12 October 1940 Operation MB8, 4 - 11 November 1940 Battle of Taranto, 11-12 November 1940 Battle of the Strait of Otranto, 12 November 1940 Operation Excess, January 10-11, 1941 Battle of Cape Matapan, 27-29 March 1941 Action off Sfax, 16 April 1941 Sinking of the Tirpitz, 12 November 1944 Sinking of the Bismarck, 26-27 May 1941- Sinking of the Scharnhorst, 26 December 1943 Bombing of the Gneisenau, 26-27 Feb 1942 Battle of the Barents sea, 31 December 1942 Operation Halberd, September 1941 St Nazaire Raid, 28 March 1942 AKA, The Greatest Raid of All Battle of the Duisburg Convoy, November 8-9, 1941 Battle of Cape Bon, 13 December 1941 Operation Albumen, 7/8 June, 1942 and 4/5 July, 1943 Second Battle of Sirte, 22 March 1942 Operation Stone Age, 20 November 1942 Battle of Skerki Bank, 2 December 1942 Battle off Zuwarah, 19 - 20 January 1943 Battle of the Campobasso Convoy, 3/4 May 1943 Operation Tenement, 13-15 July 1944 Battle of the Ligurian Sea, 18 March 1945 First Naval Battle of Narvik, 10 April 1940 Second Naval Battle of Narvik,, 13 April 1940 East African Campaign, June 1940 - 27 November 1941 Battle of Gondar, 13-27 November 1941 First Battle of El Alamein, 1-27 July 1942 Battle of Longstop Hill, 2-23 April 1943 Second Battle of El Alamein, 23 October-11 November 1942 Battle of Madagascar, 5 May 1942 - 6 November 1942 Battle of Keren, 5 February - 1 April 1941 Battle of Damascus, 18-21 June 1941 Battle of Beirut, 12 July 1941 Battle for Caen, 6 June - 6 August 1944 Operation Compass, 9 December 1940 - 9 February 1941 Operation Colossus, 10 February 1941 Battle of Bardia, 3-5 January 1941 Operation Compass, 9 December 1940 - 9 February 1941 Battle of Derna, January 24-26 1941 Battle of Beda Fomm, 6-7 February 1941 Capture of Kufra, 31 January - 1 March 1941 Battle of El Agheila, 11-18 December 1942 Siege of Tobruk, 10 April - 27 November 1941 Second Battle of Bardia, April 12 1941 Battle of Sollum, April 12 1941 Siege of Giarabub, December 1940 - 21 March 1941 Operation Brevity, 15-16 May 1941 Battle of Halfaya Pass, 1941 Battle of Fort Capuzzo, May 15-16 1941 General Fedele de Giorgis surrenders Operation Crusader, 18 November - 30 December 1941 Battle of Bir el Gubi, November 19 - December 4 1941

The sun still doesn't set over this Commonwealth

@@waveygravey3575 British should do right thing and pay billions to US every year.

@@thevillaaston7811 We can park our fleet in your bedroom and call it a day. How about that?

watching it once IS watching it again and again as the narrator repeats every salient point a MINIMUM of 3 times throughout the show. This documentary could, and should, have been 30 minutes shorter

Eisenhower, and Bradley zero personal combat. Montgomery fought with distinction in the First World War, being wounded twice, and beinmg awarded the DSO. During MARKET GARDEN, Montgomery was at his forward HQ, 10 miles behind the front line, and then in Eindhoven. Allied land forces commander, Eisenhower, was in Normandy, 400 miles behind the front. The Head of the First Allied Airborne Army, Brereton was in England.

@@thevillaaston7811 If you read Market Garden Now and Then page 397 you will see that Brereton was at Eindhoven when the Luftwaffe attack the town.

@@johnlucas8479 US General Lewis Brereton location during MARKET GARDEN. September 1944, as taken from Brereton’s wartime ‘diary’. 16th Saturday Ascot 17th Sunday Aldermaston 18th Monday Ascot 19th Tuesday Holland 20th Wednesday Holland 21st Thursday Paris 22nd Friday Ascot 23rd Saturday Ascot 24th Sunday Ascot 25th Monday Ascot 26th Tuesday Ascot Ascot: Sunninghill Park. At that time, in use by the USAAF, later a Royal residence, briefly home to HM Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip, and then re-built for Prince Andrew, and Sarah, Duchess of York. Aldermaston: At that time RAF Aldermaston (Home to 434th Troop Carrier Group USAAF), now, home to the Atomic Weapons Establishment. Holland. Eindhoven (Dusk on the 19th through 20th). Paris: The Versailles palace complex Given the dubious provenance of the Brereton ‘diary’ I would to need other evidence of Brereton being in Holland on the dates that he claimed to be there. Grabbing the biggest stately home / chateaux that they could find seems to have been standard practice for US commanders. Nobody, but nobody gets to tell Montgomery about being up with his troops, the locations of the various HQs of Bradley, Eisenhower, and Montgomery make this clear. Montgomery spent his time as an army commander, as an army group commander operating out of three caravans. Army group commander Montgomery was at Eindhoven by the end of battle, as evidenced by General Urquhart.

VALERIE CLARK All clear now?..

@@thevillaaston7811 If I remember correctly, was it not standard practice in WW1 for British Commanders to grab stately home / chateaux for their HQ so that their entire staff could be located in one location. As to Brereton being at Eindhoven, I quoted from Operation Market Garden Now and then, Another source. McManus, John C.. September Hope (p. 263) "The bombing destroyed 228 buildings and damaged 8,940 others. Some 227 Eindhoven residents were killed-including forty-one when a bomb scored a direct hit on an air raid shelter-and eight hundred were wounded. Generals Brereton and Ridgway were both in the area during the bombing and were quite fortunate to escape unhurt."

What he's saying is it wasn't bolt action, semi-*automatic* and full *automatic* are both types of automatic. In modern terms, its a huge difference because essentially everything but handguns is full auto, when talking about world war two, its machine guns, automatic (semi) rifles, and bolt action rifles like most countries used.

"M1 gas operated" - WHAT?? It was recoil operated!

Yuri F Actually it was gas operated, gases from the previous round operated the ejection and loading of the next round. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Garand

Daniel Meyer no he was saying it was an automatic weapon and it was a semi-automatic weapon dumbass

Yuri gas operated just means the some of the propellant are re directed backwards to operated the round reload mechanism and it is a gas operated rifle.

The Germans were criminals. Every battle was a war crime. If I stood before Model's grave, I would spit.

He was a good commander.

It's called winning the battle but losing the war.

True model won in 1942 43

+12thpanzer Now that you pointed that out it just feels like it never happened for about 80%.

+12thpanzer Do you think they all had fuckin Go-pro's strapped to their helmets? Of course there's not a lot of of footage from the actual battle.

+Hanyuchan WW2 has been very well documented, by all participating forces. It was a glory time for war journalists, pro or not pro. But to compare a battle from WW2 with a nowadays soccer match? That's just bat shit insane. My pitiful guess is that 12thpanzer went completely bollocks somewhere in his life to come up with such an full of shit comparison.

***** How long the video is minus the real Market Garden footage.

the narrator is repeating a lot of points. about a third of the program is pure repeat.

Not sure this episode is a very good assessment

Stop it! Its far richer in culture and life. You Brits would otherwise be such a boring bunch!

I can certainly sympathize. Leftwing political thinking is a real country killer. And this pathogen has infected nearly every western country. Makes you wish the Germans had won. They should have won.

I'm

@Stephen Corfield I feel sorry for your loss, this is what Germany fought against, the racial destruction of sovereign nations via Communism through Cultural Marxism. International Jewry among the English ruling classes subverted the allied nations which influenced the ignorant masses with false propaganda to follow them. We are paying the price today dearly, a strong Germany would had been better than a strong Soviet Union.

From Canada I like to thank your family for their service

The major flaw was it was Montgomery's idea .

Montgomery planned operation Comet not market garden! Montgomery cancelled Comet due to his intelligence finding panzer units in the area of operations! Eisenhower insisted that the operation go ahead and handed the operation to Brereton USAAF, who with Williams and Browning planned and carried out Market Garden! Market garden not Montgomery's operation.

boris boonstra the British mistake was not using glider troops to hit the bridge from both sides on the first day like they did on D-Day taking the vital Pegasus bridge.

boris boonstra couldm't? enemie? heroicly? Really?

boris boonstra A

Nah, the reason it was a bridge too far is Bernard Montgomery was a poor general. Poor planning, poor use of intelligence, poor logistics, poor etc.

Gavin was covering his arse trying to organise the boats on the 19th when he should have gone for the bridge on the 17th. Actually it was the British who took the bridge, the 504th took the railway bridge but the main road bridge was primarily taken by British Grenadier Guards and then their tanks rolled across once 10th SS had been more or less been removed at the Nijmegen side of the bridge. The 504th were undoubtedly heroic but they did not take the road bridge, it was the British who did that. Official US records highlight the first troops from 504th arrived at the northern end of the road bridge at 1938 hours, the tanks took the bridge at 1910 hours.

Market Garden was not Montgomery's operation it was Brereton USAAF, Williams and Browning, Montgomery planned operation Comet but cancelled due to his intelligence finding panzer units in the area of operations! Eisenhower insisted that the operation go ahead and handed the operation to Brereton USAAF who with Williams and Browning planned market garden and carried out the operation! The failure of the operation is down to not enough air drops and the failure of the 82nd to secure there targets , a costly operation but not the entire failure its made out to be ! It did gain 60 miles of enemy territory, which the Americans had failed to do in previous operations!

@@garythomas3219 Source?

@@garythomas3219 Browning had little to do with planning. He threatened to resign seeing the plans. The failure of the operation was that two US para units *failed* to seize their bridges.

No it was the Burns family of warblers, Close examination reveals time after time very stunted results. . Monty was average at best and got more mileage out of the Desert War in the Press than certainly fact warranted.He won with what any general with his advantages would have. Bernard didn't seize Caen (day one objective) fir over a month. Didn't close Failaise pocket. Didn't capture Rommel's army at El Alemian and took high losses just to win by default, Didn't trap Afika Corp in Tunisia, couldn't capture any vital channel ports, Didn't open Antwerp's approaches when it was wide open, Didn't even make it to the half way point in MarketGarden (Arnhem was only end of first half), Didn't get past Nijmegen for over 6 months.... I could go on and on. His failures are the stuff of legend.

you tell the true ,

Exactly. He was concerned with victory...but only insofar as it included his name most prominently. He "craved " recognition. Patton too, but he was erratic and a bit of a ' maverick ' , so his input was at most secondary, to say the least .However ,I'd much rather fight under Patton - always got the job done...just needed more diesel and the war would have ended w/o so many lives lost. Monty?... python.

Tree Trout Where is there evidence that Montgomery ' "craved" recognition? By the time of Market Garden Montgomery was a Field Marshall and could only move up to the Imperial General Staff from there. What further recognition could a British field commander achieve? Also, what jobs did Patton get done? When did he just need 'more deisel and the war would have ended w/o so many lives lost.'?

John...worst winter in 40 yrs..yet he made it to Bastogne to help the 101st & 4th. Great militarist Period

John Cornell I think that Patton was only making a mile day - no better or worse than anyone else in the same circumstances and by the time that his troops reached Bastogne the German advance into Belgium had already been halted. As for all that stuff about him turning his forces round in two days, I think that I have read that he had already put this in hand before his meeting with Eisenhower and Bradley. More US Hype. I continue to bait Rambo.

'Montgomery refused to accept information from Dutch Resistance. ' All information purporting to come from the Dutch resistance at that time was disregarded due to theGerman 'Englanspiel' penetration of the Dutch resistance. Montgomery's situation was no diferent to any othe situation in this regard.

The Dutch Army advisors warned them the route/terrain west then north could support armor,trucks and artillery. Unlike the single road much of it elevated and surrounded by polder marshes and flood plains . It's no wonder idiots like you got run out of Norway,Netherlands,Belgium,France and off the beaches. Further more he ignored ULTRA day after day for 10 yrs you yodel the same nonsense - get a life already

wtf?

IHateGames Thank you for your well reasoned and informative response.

***** np

my grandfather was under bitrich comand..he always praised the british para as great figthers

pedro marques So did the Germans. They said they were the best soldiers they fought against in WW2.

pdbandit1 weather grounded much of allied AirPower and the Germans had plenty of AAA in the area.

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Air power was everywhere and nowhere

Norway had Lots of spitfires on d-day..they supported the air..

Poor weather grounded Allied air for much of the operation

What an utterly cretinous statement. You're specifically the type of thoughtless moron, who goes from innocent by-stander to seriously stricken victim in the blink of an eye. It's literally only a matter of time before this becomes manifestly clear to you.

Blame it on the 82nd Airborne who failed to take Nijmegen bridge.

They took the bridge at great cost and hard fighting, that's when the Guards went to bed. The bridge stayed in allied hands as the Nijmegan bridgehead.

Yea they took the bridge eventually but it should of been secure so the Guards could just roll over it. The same thing happened at the Son bridge, 101st didn't secure it in time and it was destroyed by the Germans.

Ok, I won't dispute that. My point is that only the British army had a culture of stopping for a tea break and often it became the close of the day's business. It happened on the first day on the approach to Caan where we could have taken it but didn't due to fear of the unknown German elements and the culture of stopping for the day. I have never read of any other Army doing that in two such critical instances that had enormous results (The Caan debacle and adding to the failure of MG). Again I'm not critisising the British soldier but what they were used to. Yes all armies ballsed up but not to have a brew.

I don't think they failed to take Caen on Dday because they were having a brew, I don't see any evidence that American troops got off the beaches and into the hinterland any quicker than the Brits or Canadians. Leaving aside Omaha. US 4th Division on Utah moved inland quite slowly, against negligible opposition. I think it was in places at speeds of half a mile an hour, which against light or non-existant opposition was quite slow.The US 4th Division finished the day 4 miles short of it's D-day objectives (British 3rd Division 3.7 miles) Judge that against their casualties and it rather illustrates the popular misconception that British troops somehow sat back on D-Day and failed to reach Caen because of timidity. Most of 21 Panzer's Panzer Regiment 22 and Panzergrenadier Regiment 192 was through Caen and west of the Orne by 15.00, perfectly placed to strike any Armoured spearhead blindly charging off Sword beach in the direction of Caen. Furthermore, the heaviest counter attack of the day was carried out by 21st Panzer in late afternoon, elements of which struck Sword beach and were beaten off. There was nothing slow or timid about the 3rd Division that day, and I don't think any Allied division in the Order of Battle would have done any better. Don't forget they were up against 8 panzer divisions, 3 heavy tank battalions.

US units accomplished their mission without the support promised by monty. Afterwards he was just allowed to linger around Icke for PR purposes for the brits back home

@@jbloun911 correct they had much better officers but the brandy soaked Churchill stuck with the mistake rather than admit he made one

@@bigwoody4704 better officers? Where??? Certainly not Patton, Bradley, Clark, Hodges, or Eisenhower. I will give particular credit to Truscott, Simpson, Patches, and Devers, though. Also a fan of Collins, but his body bag count suggests he was a little too profligate, unlike Truscott.

bullcrap pull your nose out of Monty's backside and stick it in a book.I was referring to the British and Patton embarrased your favorite tosser the only time they were on the same stretch of land(sicily). The advantages were so big in the desert that even the mislead such as yourself could have won. Neither O'Connor/Auchinleck had the build up the rube enjoyed - ULTRA,THE Torch landings,the 2 Fresh Divisions that the Auk called over or the massive mine field in front of the ridge at alam halfa that he and Dorman-Smith laid in front of the ridge to name a few. Churchill pulled the trigger sacking them because they wanted 6 weeks to refit,resupply,reinforce so he sacked them. Then Monty later tells him he'll need 10 weeks,which he did (Aug-13-Oct13). So Churchill relieved someone who just won for no good reason. Read Churchill and the Montgomery Myth" by R.W. Thompson - it has it's sources again watch DESERT GENERALS 3 of the 4 Historians explains it fully or Brute Force or the Rommel Papers. Britain and the Commonwealth had heroes - he wasn't one of them. Morshead certainly wouldn't have faffed around like that *Churchill and the Montgomery Myth" by R.W. Thompson, p57*​ Auchinleck explained his reasons to Churchill for not committing the green 44th division untrained in the desert and un acclimated.The Prime Minister argued but Auchinleck was adamant. Churchill turned upon Dorman Smith "do you say that too,why don't you use the 44th Division?" Smith supported his Chief, "the 44th isn't ready,Sir" Because these two officers acted as they did that Morning a division was not squandered and many men's lives were saved, but they set the seal on their own professional doom" wrote John Connell* The judgement of *Lt.Gen. Brian Horrocks is especially valuable in this context: "as we know the Prime Minister wanted the 8th Army to launch an immediate offensive. It says much for Auchilecks moral courage that ,at this time, when he was convinced that such an offensive would have little chance of success ,and he was under a cloud, he refused to attack until he was satisfied his troops were trained & reorganized. The 44th HC straight from the U.K. with out any desert experience would have been in on this attack. They might well erect a monument to Auchinleck who unquestionably saved them heavy casualties."*

*The Rommel Papers by B.H.Liddell-Hart page 521* *Montgomery was in a position to profit by the bitter experience of his predecessors .While supplies on our side had been cut to a trickle ,American and British ships were bringing vast quantities on materials to North Africa .Many times greater than either his predecessors had ever had.* His principle was to fight no battle unless he knew for certain that he would win it .Of course that is a method which will only work given material superiority - but that he had. He was undoubtedly more of a strategist than a tactician. Command of a mobile battle force was not his strong point British officers made the error off planning operations according to what was strategically desirable ,rather than what was tactically attainable."

Market Garden freed a fifth of the Dutch population, hindered German rocket attacks on London, stretched German defences another fifty miles, and left the allies well placed to attack into Germany in the months ahead. Market Garden’s casualties (17,000), should be compared to allied failures in the same period at Aachen (20,000 casualties), Metz (45,000 casualties), and the Hurtgen Forest (55,000 casualties).

it freed nothing got 17,000 allied service men,killed,wounded,captured and 21,000 dutch citizens left to face the horrible hunger winter .Too bad your relatives weren't freed in such fashion then maybe we wouldn't have to listen to your Monty nutthugging

@@thevillaaston7811 Aachen metz And hurtgen weren’t failures you goof. Plans were not failure as Monty ones in market garden. You wrote casualties of war. British were always a paper tiger. Nothing more.

@@jasonbell6234 ‘Aachen metz And hurtgen weren’t failures you goof. Plans were not failure as Monty ones in market garden. You wrote casualties of war. British were always a paper tiger. Nothing more.’ Your words. ‘Aachen’ THE US OFFICIAL HISTORY The Siegfried Line Campaign Chapter 10. Aachen and the River Roer P.224 ‘The recent battering at Aachen had had occupied the first Army for a full month and cost 20,000 casualties and yet at no point had Hodges got more than twelve miles into Germany.’ ‘Metz’ THE LORRAINE CAMPAIGN: An Overview, September-December 1944 by Dr. Christopher R. Gabel February, 1985 Was the Lorraine campaign an American victory? From September through November, Third Army claimed to have inflicted over 180,000 casualties on the enemy. But to capture the province of Lorraine, a problem which involved an advance of only 40 to 60 air miles, Third Army required over 3 months and suffered 50,000 casualties, approximately one-third of the total number of casualties it sustained in the entire European war. ‘Hurtgen Forest’ UNITED STATES ARMY IN WORLD WAR II The European Theater of Operations THE SIEGFRIED LINE CAMPAIGN By Charles B. MacDonald CENTER OF MILITARY HISTORY UNITED STATES ARMY WASHINGTON, D.C., 1993 P 493 The basic truth was that the fight for the Huertgen Forest was predicated on the purely negative reason of denying the Germans use of the forest as a base for thwarting an American drive to the Rhine. In the process the fight thus far had failed to carry the only really critical objective the forest shielded-the Roer River Dams. ‘paper tiger’ Britain, with a land area no larger than the US State of Oregon, with a current population no larger than the US States of California and Texas created the biggest empire in history. Come the FOUR year First World War, Britain stumped up 800,000 casualties, and the Royal Navy blockade led to Germany seeking an armistice. Come the SIX year Second World War, Britain fought from the beginning to the end and in every theatre of war, the only major to do so. As for the USA…It bled Britain and France white in two world war, and then joined the fighting when it was time for tea and medals. The USA led in Korea, and ended up in a ceasefire rather than victory, it lost in Vietnam, let Hussein off the hook in the gulf war, created the mother of all messes in the second gulf war, and got its arse handed to it on a plate in Afghanistan. Harsh but fair. ‘Nothing more.’ …There is plenty more, if you fancy it…

@@thevillaaston7811 Britain could only fight with colonized people at that point. US saved Britain. British soldiers were famous for running away in 1940. British had no worthy generals. US should make Britain pay war debt. It’s almost criminal to save entire country twice and not take half of their land.

Ideas are interesting. Execution is harder.

Normally I would agree but there were lots of folks who didn't like the idea from the beginning and who protested. They ignored warnings and intelligence from the resistance. I think this was a case of hubris after much of the successes they had seen in the past.

You stole the words right out of my mouth. Everyone thinks they're like some kind of military genius, but I bet you nobody here was a soldier in France in 1944. At the time, it must have seemed like the German army was a shattered force. They had been in full retreat for months. There was political pressure to use the expensively trained airborne units. There was political pressure to reach Berlin before the Soviets. The temptation of "Berlin by Christmas" must have been tantalizing. Operation Overlord had been a smashing success. In hindsight, yes the airborne divisions were given tasks that were beyond their abilities, but even still it might have gone the allies way had not so many panzers units been in the area basically by coincidence, and had not the Germans been so ably led. It must have been like a whipped dog with its tail between its legs suddenly turning around and baring its fangs.

@@Zaemon037 The allies had complete air superiority tho. In war, a good strategy was useless without air power. Edit: modern war, not just any war...

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