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I am a BMW tech and I drove a 710m for many years. I never knew what the heck was happening in that driveline so thank you so much for making that.
@ithasbeenwritten2223 жыл бұрын
Haflingers and Pinzgauers are designs by Erich Ledvinka son of Hans Ledvinka constructor who worked both in Tatra and Steyr and design vehicles with tubular (backbone) frames with propeller shafts inside of them. So we can talk that construction was inherited rather than copied.
@MACIEKR7610 жыл бұрын
the most capable offroad driveline humanbeings ever made! Salute Ledwinka!
@harleychensh3 жыл бұрын
By far the best and shortest video explaining how something works, only facts. Thumbs up.
@silversurfer887 жыл бұрын
That's an engineering masterpiece.
@sixtyfiveford6 жыл бұрын
YES.....BUT WE BRITISH STILL BEAT YOU.....and eat soggy sandwiches and baked beans that make usfart.......you can haveprince andrew back---mr sachs-coburg goether as we all are fed up of thedirt ylittleshit.
@airport41734 жыл бұрын
Black love matter 🙂🤣🙂🤣
@fallenangel21233 жыл бұрын
Thank you! First video I could find that actually explains how these work
@scottstevens97054 жыл бұрын
Been looking around forever for a video that shows how that type of differential works.
@PowerSports10 жыл бұрын
Impresionante!!! grandisimo video!!! gracias por compartirlo, esta tecnologia es la que debieran tener los 4x4 de hoy en dia
@juanluisoso12 жыл бұрын
What a brilliant video, thanks so much for making it.
@triumphspitfire4875 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Some respects to engineers and designers.
@tranhau38187 жыл бұрын
Wow thanks for that amazing inside look much appreciated. Because of folks like you youtube is making geniuses
@tristanchristopher76828 жыл бұрын
Great engineering and great demonstration I would like to see how the the wheel hubs work as well
@nyiesah3 жыл бұрын
what a killer setup! i have to wonder what that rear diff section will hold power-wise.
@gizmothewytchdoktor10496 жыл бұрын
sweet, thank you for posting this!
@AMetalWorks12 жыл бұрын
What a great design!
@PMrex_offical9 жыл бұрын
I always wondered what those diffs looked like. Now I know.
@m.b.823 жыл бұрын
Great video. I saw these differentials on a dump truck in Russia. Finally, I get to see what's inside. Thanks.
@garyshirey59577 жыл бұрын
TATRA truck made in Czech Republic
@user-ku2xr3nh4b3 ай бұрын
really amazing, thanks for posting
@johnarizona38209 жыл бұрын
Pure genius design! Just wish I could afford one of them!
@danmcelroy65842 жыл бұрын
Top notch quality video! Seriously. Thank you
@jamesharrell43603 жыл бұрын
Great piece of work......thanks for being generous with the information.
@magna5912 жыл бұрын
Great video! But how about sealing on axle housing.? That rubber is enough?
@dzoskin.fan13 жыл бұрын
Tatra or Steyr? The right answer is LEDWINKA.
@matof14284 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Beats isometric drawings by a country mile. I am not a mechanic but it looks like a solid reliable system.
@michaelguerin56 Жыл бұрын
They are sure design not to fail, a lot of strength design into it
@WarrenSal11 жыл бұрын
With this set up... Does that mean, there is a wheel further forward from the other side of the vehicle?... I think the right side wheel is always a few inches (cm) forward from the left side wheel?
@drubradley88213 жыл бұрын
awesome. ifs/irs with portals! how strong are they comparatively to solid axles with portals?
@kumbackquatsta4 жыл бұрын
My grandfather helped to design it and he also test it in austria,in switzerland ,arabian and in many other countries.he wrote ab book about the history of puch his name is Dr Egon Rudolf
@lorenzrudolf10 жыл бұрын
Well done too your grandfather. You should feel very proud of him. This is a brilliant bit of engineering. I really admire it. I will search for his book. Please ignore the Trolls, true engineering minds understand how clever it is.
@harveysmith10010 жыл бұрын
Pinzgaur is the ultimate machine!! Respect to your GrandFather and all the Engineers that put this concept together back in the days in Graz Austria. Bamidele from Nigeria.
@bamiracer10 жыл бұрын
+bamiracer when i was a young man we still had the predecessor to the Pinzgauer, the little Haflinger. amazing what the driver could do, so we never got out well shone boots dirty...
@austrorus8 жыл бұрын
+bamiracer when i was a young man we still had the predecessor to the Pinzgauer, the little Haflinger. amazing what the driver could do, so we never got out well shone boots dirty...
@austrorus8 жыл бұрын
great video, the arrangement of the axles final dives shaft reminds me the tatra configuration
@enterBJ4012 жыл бұрын
it was designed by the son of Tatra's old chief engineer
@blockstacker56143 жыл бұрын
Great! Now make sense!
@lonewolf94883 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@NasserAlhameli8 жыл бұрын
😍 I love Tatra whole my life and knew nothing about Pinzgauer. Thank you for this video where you can see how Pinzgauer and TATRA work, but at the same time I started to wonder why Steyr can use the same invention as TATRA and I learned a lot of interesting new information about the life of Hans Ledwink. This technical genius was during a gala evening on March 6, 2007 at the Geneva Motor Show, Hans Ledwinka inducted into the "Hall of Fame" among the most important designers in European car history. In 1961 he was awarded the Rudolf Diesel Medal.
@DAVERSczech4 жыл бұрын
Ledvinka
@user-jo4hq8ks8n3 жыл бұрын
ENGINERING MECHANICAL VERY GOOD INTELIGENCY
@LCMNUNES19623 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this explaining video.
@guzelovalish6 жыл бұрын
Does the Tatra system work like this as well? Absolutely brilliant way to design an offroad vehicle and an excellent explanation of how it works as well. Thanks.
@Parents_of_Twins4 жыл бұрын
This Is pateneted by Tatra
@ondrejkluc87603 жыл бұрын
@@ondrejkluc8760 This was never patented and it's not Ledwinka's invention. Stop repeating bullshits from Czech Wikipedia. Ledwinka was the only man in the world, who was able to design design this conception for mass production. And because Ledwinka designed Pinzgauer as a freelancer, Steyr didn't hold the necessary know-how to design other vehicles with this conception. The cost of development is the only reason why Tatra is the only producer of vehicles based on this conception.
@rykmat25424 ай бұрын
Thanks again Guys !!!!
@pinzgauernorcal13 жыл бұрын
Wow, this just blew my mind
@nickjovanovic52586 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I really appreciated that explanation. Simple machine ideals whipped into a fantastic package. Does this utilize portal axles at the outside for better clearance? How does this compare to the driveline in the Haflinger?
@patrickhayes30993 жыл бұрын
Yes, there are drop gearboxes at the hubs, making them portal axles. Haflinger uses a similar backbone layout, but with conventional differentials and axle joints (and the engine is placed differently).
@brianb-p65862 жыл бұрын
Aren't you moving the driveshaft in the wrong direction? The engine would move the shaft clockwise, looking from the front, which would turn the half-shafts what would appear to be in reverse, but because the Pinz has portal axles, the direction would be reversed by the larger bull gear in the bottom of the portal axle, providing forward motion. Correct? Otherwise, good vid.
@SledgeFoot7 жыл бұрын
блокировка мостов меж собой показана также делали на немецких магирусах только на одном мосту
@user-tc9jm3cc9o6 жыл бұрын
THANKS A LOT!!
@ILKOSTFU7 жыл бұрын
Is there any adjustments for off- centered crown wheel of front axle differential? There is an hard pressed bearing sound in slow vehicle movements, noticable from drivers cabin. The sound vanishes once the vehicle pick ups speed above 40- 50 km/hr. We are rechecked and done all lubrication procedures for wheel , axle and steering. On removal of rubber protective oil cover from both sides of differential and checking crown wheel movement, it is noticed the slightly off-centered movement of the wheel in respect of the scraper plate. The clearance is more than 3mm at some point and vary to 0 mm clearance at some other point on right hand side. Slight off centered movement also exist in left side also. ( To clarify doubt we checked with another vehicle of same model and and found perfect rotation of the crown wheel). We are facing this issue with Tatra 815 6x6 euro 3 right hand drive vehicle. Can u please guide to resolve the issue..
@gmech33062 жыл бұрын
saludos desde Venezuela buen vídeo felicitaciones una pregunta espero me ayudes estoy trabajando en uno de esto arme una trasmicion delantera pero la monte y no acopla completa le falta x entrar como 1 ctm xq no entra
@JavierVazquez-lp4bm3 жыл бұрын
thanks you very much! that's i need !
@huijiezhang93097 жыл бұрын
In fact Hans Ledwinka designed the Tatra beautiful transmission and his son Erich designed the Pinzgauer transmission...
@valefur7212 жыл бұрын
That is pretty slick.
@victorriceroni84553 жыл бұрын
ขอบคุณมากครับ👍
@user-hq7rq7pt4g5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this amazing Video! I came to it while studying Tatra Trucks, but the title here says "Pinzgauer." Are they related? Do, or did, Tatra Trucks use the same axle manufacture as Pinzgauer? My research, so far, shows me that Pinzgauer and Tatra are a line of Trucks, and not necessarily the drivelines manufacture. A second question, in my head, after watching this video, is to learn more on just how the independent axle travel was limited. When either the Truck leaves the ground (Think Dakar Rally), or by bottoming out, say when the Truck is overloaded on rough terrain. I did hear that pins of some sort, in the upper axle house facilitated the limit, but I would sure love to see how that is being done. Also, I will try to go and look now, to see if I can find the History of this "Pinzgauer" drive system, in the Dakar Rally.
@SteveKluver7 жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ledwinka
@Thomaszarofka7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that link Thomas. I have read that before though, and even a second time. I still cannot glean exactly who is building this driveline. Are you saying that this video also has Tatra parts? Or could it be now called Steyr-Daimler-Puch? What does the data tag read on this Pinzgauer Driveline I wonder?
@SteveKluver7 жыл бұрын
Tatra builds it's own drive line and there's plenty videos on KZhead showing this. Hans Ladwinka designed this system when at Tatra in the 1920's and his son did a similar design for Steyr-Puch (who make Pnzgauer) in the 1960's. So the link between the companies is father and son and nothing else. Tatra build their own vehicles including the driveline and Steyr-Puch built theirs although BAE Systems Inc. bought the rights to Pinzgauer in 2000 and built them in England from then onwards.
@captainwin63337 жыл бұрын
Captain Win - Thank you very much for those pieces to the puzzle! Now that makes perfect sense. I have seen some "Tatra built" wording in several videos here, but no "Tatra building" these drive lines. I will narrow my searching a bit more, and do my best to come up with some of those. Most people don't know, or dig in deep enough to find the differences. Licensing deals could be playing a role, behind the scenes for example, in some manufacturing/assembly lines, and we wouldn't know it, until we look for those answers. I am wanting to know the entire history. Again, thank you very much for taking the time to reply with that information.
@SteveKluver7 жыл бұрын
The son Erich Ledwinka also worked some time for Tatra and took the concept to SDP. They even got sued for it. You will also like the Haflinger which is built the same way but smaller.
@forestalfrank10747 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter where the design came from, these are awesome off road vehicles in 4x4 and 6x6 setup. The only downside is the complexity and hence the considerable in service maintenance required. Costs of major driveline failures are astronomic. Even the military wince at the operating costs.
@dartmoordave7 жыл бұрын
Dartmoor Dave Not really, Tatra Trucks are still in use after 40 years of working. There is actually nothing to broke in combination with air cooled Tatra engine. Maybe just pinzgauer is crap. Actually with this concept you can build unlimited number of axles truck (Tatra builds 16x16 trucks for rafinery Now) and the costs are getting lower than standard chassis with more and more axles.
@IITHara6 жыл бұрын
Backbone tube nicely explained. It is interesting to compare both Porsche and Ledwinka continuing to develop same ideas as Tatra on other side of Iron curtain. Pinzgauer reminds me mostly of Tatra 805. They both look a bit nervous off-road, perhaps because of high center of gravity. Despite that, both are quite capable.
@Skawagon10 жыл бұрын
Wrong Porsche steal from Tatra it is fact but WW2 and cold war after masked this theft. After WW2 Tatra got small compensation from german for that but that's all.
@altergreenhorn6 жыл бұрын
I'm replacing some small sections in the rear cargo area side panels. Does anyone know the thickness of the body sheets? 1974 710m
@thefab4band7822 ай бұрын
Very interesting way to arrange a differential, especially because it means the wheels on the same 'axle' are not the same distance along the vehicle. What can't be seen here is that (As far as I can work out anyway) the input drive to the diff turns the shaft that the side pinions in the meshed set of 4 in the centre of the diff are attached to. This transfers drive to the front at back pinions in the meshed set of 4 to transfer drive to the half shafts going to the left and right wheels. The locking mechanism locks the input shaft (Which passes uninterrupted through the differential) to the rear pinion driving the crown wheel to the left half shaft. Looking at the way the drive shaft passes straight through the differential, I suspect this is why they're able to make 6x6 or 8x8 versions easily with the same building blocks. The downside is that wind-up in the shafts will be an issue where there's full traction on all wheels as all axles will be driven at the same speed, so maybe there's more to it, my knowledge of this driveline is limited to guesses from looking at the video here only.
@peglor6 жыл бұрын
About 1/2" or so, it doesn't really matter.
@SweedSleds955 жыл бұрын
True - the crown and pinion gears shown turn the drive 90 degrees and allow suspension movement, but they're not the differentials; the internals of the differentials are not shown.
@brianb-p65862 жыл бұрын
Never seen one in person, would like to see one do its thing off-road
@mkgtr108 жыл бұрын
so again. this type of chassis is from Hans Ledwinka, the first use of this chassis was the Tatras, is not talking about the video talking here about the chassis, as my colleague has already said that it was Tatra later is not true, tatra was the first in the video for the Steyr but chassis design is from Hans and was used for the Tatras and later modified in Steyr, Steyr chassis that could be used on bigger trucks because it interfered with the patent Tatras,Tatra heavy truck steyr light truck
@magorforever11 жыл бұрын
Ingenious!
@Gkuljian3 жыл бұрын
у татры полуоси не соосны? колеса потразному стоят?
@viktorkareno8370 Жыл бұрын
awesome video man!!!
@clodbusta12 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! I have read that the driveshafts are staggered by 30mm, due to the dual crownwheel setup. How does this translate on the ground? Are the portals slightly angled to compensate? I doubt that the wheels are staggered on the ground, as it would make the vehicle very near undrivable. Just in case you are wondering what the proper term is for "the witches hat", it is actually called the axle journal neck.
@gmcevoy3 жыл бұрын
Some Renault car had staggered rear wheels (to allow the torsion bar springs to sit one in front of the other), and there was no effect on driveability.
@brianb-p65862 жыл бұрын
@@brianb-p6586 Interesting! Can you remember which models had this setup? Thank you for your input. :-)
@gmcevoy2 жыл бұрын
@@gmcevoy The one I remember is the first-generation Renault 5, which is the only Renault of it's vintage sold in any significant number here (in North America). The R 5 suspension came directly from the Renault 4, and was also used in the Renault 6, but apparently was not used in this form in larger or later models, or even the second generation 5. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4#/media/File:Axle_-_Trailing_arm_41.gif en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4#Suspension The specs in Wikipedia (for the Renault 4) show a 45 mm (2.8") difference between the sides.
@brianb-p65862 жыл бұрын
@@brianb-p6586 Fascinating. Thank you!
@gmcevoy2 жыл бұрын
awesome thanks!
@MichaelChismToday8 жыл бұрын
В старых журналах За рулём есть фото рамы. Конструкции привода.
@elyasd49510 жыл бұрын
Thanks that was good
@mamroberts16393 жыл бұрын
Sir. Could you please elaborate on the 3 control levers on the dashboard. Also does this particular model have a centre diff- Transfer case. And in the 6x6 variant, is there a lockable inter axle diff. Between the 2 rear axles.
@intercept79653 жыл бұрын
One lever to engage drive to the front; the other two levers lock the front and rear differentials. No, there is no centre differential: it is a part-time system, in either rear-only drive or four wheel drive with front and rear speeds locked. No, the 6X6 has no interaxle-differential, or inter-axle disconnect: both rear axles are always driven, and always at the same speed. It's not good for paved surfaces.
@brianb-p65862 жыл бұрын
it was invented in Graz, Austria
@steiner198811 жыл бұрын
So, it looks like one rear wheel is further forward than the other??
@realvanman7 жыл бұрын
it is.
@nagyandras88576 жыл бұрын
Same at the front.
@brianb-p65862 жыл бұрын
Top👍👍👍👍
@mastain82273 жыл бұрын
Preferred system افضل نظام🌹♥👍
@NorthAfricantigers3 жыл бұрын
so when the diff is not locked, Is the one shaft driven and the other totally free balling? is there any friction drive or anything else putting torque on the outside coaxial shaft when the locker is not engaged?
@goforthz2810 жыл бұрын
The torque goes through the main shaft to the boxy thing visible in 2:22, which distributes it via the spider gears to both ring gears, so also unlocked both wheels are driven.
@SBT3006 жыл бұрын
bellissimo video guida come al solito sono sempre i stranieri a fare il meglio...
Thanks for explaining, amazing engineering. .but wouldn't want to work on that..very nice but would prefer unimog simplicity. .
@mychannel-rg3dw8 жыл бұрын
gadget
@PraveenKumar-ok5od7 жыл бұрын
ah yes, Mercedes Benz. renowned worldwide for making vehicles that are simple and easy to repair.
@blockstacker56143 жыл бұрын
where do i get one of these? i want to make a 6 wheel, 6x6 off road buggy with irs/ifs and one of these in the middle
@TheRowdyJ7 жыл бұрын
If click on show more you will find our web store and you can email us. We do have used drivelines available for purchase and can ship both ground and freight.
@ExpedImports7 жыл бұрын
Wasn't this ingenious system created by Tatra?
@DakarBlues Жыл бұрын
Does that mean that the wheels from the left side are a bit offset from the wheels of the other side because of the axel placement to give room for the second crown and pinion set up?? So the wheels of the one side are a little behind the wheels of the other side??
@lefteris4262 жыл бұрын
yes, idk the exact measurement on this one, but on TATRAs the right side is about 55mm ahead
@soe_tvАй бұрын
TATRA!!! Nothing else
@palkokaa24606 жыл бұрын
Except Tatra doesn't make a small version which is unfortunate.
@graham26313 жыл бұрын
Any chance of a close-up look of the 6x6 system.
@phalanx38034 жыл бұрын
I the 6X6 there are two rear differentials/final drives, just connected with no inter-axle differential.
@brianb-p65862 жыл бұрын
really smart people invented that.
@------country-boy-------3 жыл бұрын
дифференциал какой-то нифуя непонятный,но сцуко мощный ! 👍
@sanchopanches32234 жыл бұрын
This is an origin TATRA concept...
@TheTatraplan5 жыл бұрын
Very powerful truck
@desiretirompa60104 жыл бұрын
💪💪
@ahialevi23767 жыл бұрын
ive always wondered what would happen if the differential overextended itself and the two axle gears were to touch
@chasebh893 жыл бұрын
Destruction. The pin mentioned in the video limit travel to prevent this, but probably wouldn't be strong enough. The suspension bump stops and droop straps prevent excessive travel.
@brianb-p65862 жыл бұрын
@@brianb-p6586 don't want to be the one to open the diff up to find out!!!
@rearspeaker6364 Жыл бұрын
на татре применено но калеса на татре по оси моста в разбежку
@user-tc9jm3cc9o6 жыл бұрын
Super! TATRA lässt grüßen. Gleiches Prinzip der Differentiale u. Pendelachsen.
@enedenedubedene48114 жыл бұрын
nice!!
@pinzgauernorcal13 жыл бұрын
+++ thanks a lot +++
@madx39373 жыл бұрын
So the wheels on one side of the vehicle are misaligned with the wheels on the other side! So the vehicle swerves as you brake hard. Crazy!
@jamesbradley169510 жыл бұрын
The half shaft crown wheels are driven off centre but the half shaft housings and tubes are in line out to the hubs and linkages. It's a great system. Never seen one so well split
@scallionboy86799 жыл бұрын
This is an elementary. Though EXCELLENT explanation. Which Even I can comprehend. Now. I di not want to sound out too loud. but. Although I think that this drive line is much more expensice than that of a Mog. I have also seen obstacle course demos. Such e.g. kzhead.info/sun/fbOEecmZqKaGrZE/bejne.html. Decide for yourself. But for the record. My jaw dropped. Thank you very much!
@antonhuman8446 Жыл бұрын
No RZR box
@weaverfever558 жыл бұрын
next time when someone inserts a comment and do not respond that it is someone else's invention, when the truth is that it's just a modification of something already used long ago, I wrote that this is just Tatra Kopřivnice concept, invented by Hans Ledwinka and used it in her first time, do not deny your right it's Steyr I just wrote that it was the original concept Tatra
@magorforever11 жыл бұрын
neat.
@codymoncrief21286 жыл бұрын
сальников сколько..замучаешься масло доливать
@ladolan11 жыл бұрын
please what name of this differential, brand?
@braulio71246 жыл бұрын
Steyr Puch Pinzgauer
@ExpedImports6 жыл бұрын
Качающиеся в корпусе редуктора полуоси интересно сделаны. Интересно какой у них ресурс, до того момента, как они потекут?
@user-cf3qu5cd6e5 жыл бұрын
Раньше потекут бортовые редукторы. Если не уследить то умрут быстро. Хлопотно.
@user-jo4hq8ks8n3 жыл бұрын
ليش ماكو كاردن
@ahmedhashem19312 жыл бұрын
If you did use a Tatra Chachi, with a Scania V8 Diesel engine, a M.A.N Gearbox, and Tatra's own Diffenrentiale, and a Daf stiringhouse, then you will have the strongest and the best Truck in the world..
@nadejdajeanschmidt10159 жыл бұрын
I'd prefer an older two stroke Detroit Diesel.
@theq46028 жыл бұрын
I manufactur all gear like sipral beval etc
@dipeshvisrolia97813 жыл бұрын
concept of the Tatra
@magorforever11 жыл бұрын
neeraj. mastee
@neerajsharma81567 жыл бұрын
TATRA prece ma bratra ☺
@user-ku2xr3nh4b3 ай бұрын
Iz is TATRA concept!!!!!!!!!
@dodratat92985 жыл бұрын
Nope, you cant have independent suspension without adding a whole bunch of U joints and wishbone arms and track rods...
I am a BMW tech and I drove a 710m for many years. I never knew what the heck was happening in that driveline so thank you so much for making that.
Haflingers and Pinzgauers are designs by Erich Ledvinka son of Hans Ledvinka constructor who worked both in Tatra and Steyr and design vehicles with tubular (backbone) frames with propeller shafts inside of them. So we can talk that construction was inherited rather than copied.
the most capable offroad driveline humanbeings ever made! Salute Ledwinka!
By far the best and shortest video explaining how something works, only facts. Thumbs up.
That's an engineering masterpiece.
YES.....BUT WE BRITISH STILL BEAT YOU.....and eat soggy sandwiches and baked beans that make usfart.......you can haveprince andrew back---mr sachs-coburg goether as we all are fed up of thedirt ylittleshit.
Black love matter 🙂🤣🙂🤣
Thank you! First video I could find that actually explains how these work
Been looking around forever for a video that shows how that type of differential works.
Impresionante!!! grandisimo video!!! gracias por compartirlo, esta tecnologia es la que debieran tener los 4x4 de hoy en dia
What a brilliant video, thanks so much for making it.
Amazing! Some respects to engineers and designers.
Wow thanks for that amazing inside look much appreciated. Because of folks like you youtube is making geniuses
Great engineering and great demonstration I would like to see how the the wheel hubs work as well
what a killer setup! i have to wonder what that rear diff section will hold power-wise.
sweet, thank you for posting this!
What a great design!
I always wondered what those diffs looked like. Now I know.
Great video. I saw these differentials on a dump truck in Russia. Finally, I get to see what's inside. Thanks.
TATRA truck made in Czech Republic
really amazing, thanks for posting
Pure genius design! Just wish I could afford one of them!
Top notch quality video! Seriously. Thank you
Great piece of work......thanks for being generous with the information.
Great video! But how about sealing on axle housing.? That rubber is enough?
Tatra or Steyr? The right answer is LEDWINKA.
Thank you. Beats isometric drawings by a country mile. I am not a mechanic but it looks like a solid reliable system.
They are sure design not to fail, a lot of strength design into it
With this set up... Does that mean, there is a wheel further forward from the other side of the vehicle?... I think the right side wheel is always a few inches (cm) forward from the left side wheel?
awesome. ifs/irs with portals! how strong are they comparatively to solid axles with portals?
My grandfather helped to design it and he also test it in austria,in switzerland ,arabian and in many other countries.he wrote ab book about the history of puch his name is Dr Egon Rudolf
Well done too your grandfather. You should feel very proud of him. This is a brilliant bit of engineering. I really admire it. I will search for his book. Please ignore the Trolls, true engineering minds understand how clever it is.
Pinzgaur is the ultimate machine!! Respect to your GrandFather and all the Engineers that put this concept together back in the days in Graz Austria. Bamidele from Nigeria.
+bamiracer when i was a young man we still had the predecessor to the Pinzgauer, the little Haflinger. amazing what the driver could do, so we never got out well shone boots dirty...
+bamiracer when i was a young man we still had the predecessor to the Pinzgauer, the little Haflinger. amazing what the driver could do, so we never got out well shone boots dirty...
great video, the arrangement of the axles final dives shaft reminds me the tatra configuration
it was designed by the son of Tatra's old chief engineer
Great! Now make sense!
Thank you very much!
😍 I love Tatra whole my life and knew nothing about Pinzgauer. Thank you for this video where you can see how Pinzgauer and TATRA work, but at the same time I started to wonder why Steyr can use the same invention as TATRA and I learned a lot of interesting new information about the life of Hans Ledwink. This technical genius was during a gala evening on March 6, 2007 at the Geneva Motor Show, Hans Ledwinka inducted into the "Hall of Fame" among the most important designers in European car history. In 1961 he was awarded the Rudolf Diesel Medal.
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ENGINERING MECHANICAL VERY GOOD INTELIGENCY
Thanks for this explaining video.
Does the Tatra system work like this as well? Absolutely brilliant way to design an offroad vehicle and an excellent explanation of how it works as well. Thanks.
This Is pateneted by Tatra
@@ondrejkluc8760 This was never patented and it's not Ledwinka's invention. Stop repeating bullshits from Czech Wikipedia. Ledwinka was the only man in the world, who was able to design design this conception for mass production. And because Ledwinka designed Pinzgauer as a freelancer, Steyr didn't hold the necessary know-how to design other vehicles with this conception. The cost of development is the only reason why Tatra is the only producer of vehicles based on this conception.
Thanks again Guys !!!!
Wow, this just blew my mind
Thanks, I really appreciated that explanation. Simple machine ideals whipped into a fantastic package. Does this utilize portal axles at the outside for better clearance? How does this compare to the driveline in the Haflinger?
Yes, there are drop gearboxes at the hubs, making them portal axles. Haflinger uses a similar backbone layout, but with conventional differentials and axle joints (and the engine is placed differently).
Aren't you moving the driveshaft in the wrong direction? The engine would move the shaft clockwise, looking from the front, which would turn the half-shafts what would appear to be in reverse, but because the Pinz has portal axles, the direction would be reversed by the larger bull gear in the bottom of the portal axle, providing forward motion. Correct? Otherwise, good vid.
блокировка мостов меж собой показана также делали на немецких магирусах только на одном мосту
THANKS A LOT!!
Is there any adjustments for off- centered crown wheel of front axle differential? There is an hard pressed bearing sound in slow vehicle movements, noticable from drivers cabin. The sound vanishes once the vehicle pick ups speed above 40- 50 km/hr. We are rechecked and done all lubrication procedures for wheel , axle and steering. On removal of rubber protective oil cover from both sides of differential and checking crown wheel movement, it is noticed the slightly off-centered movement of the wheel in respect of the scraper plate. The clearance is more than 3mm at some point and vary to 0 mm clearance at some other point on right hand side. Slight off centered movement also exist in left side also. ( To clarify doubt we checked with another vehicle of same model and and found perfect rotation of the crown wheel). We are facing this issue with Tatra 815 6x6 euro 3 right hand drive vehicle. Can u please guide to resolve the issue..
saludos desde Venezuela buen vídeo felicitaciones una pregunta espero me ayudes estoy trabajando en uno de esto arme una trasmicion delantera pero la monte y no acopla completa le falta x entrar como 1 ctm xq no entra
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In fact Hans Ledwinka designed the Tatra beautiful transmission and his son Erich designed the Pinzgauer transmission...
That is pretty slick.
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Thank you for this amazing Video! I came to it while studying Tatra Trucks, but the title here says "Pinzgauer." Are they related? Do, or did, Tatra Trucks use the same axle manufacture as Pinzgauer? My research, so far, shows me that Pinzgauer and Tatra are a line of Trucks, and not necessarily the drivelines manufacture. A second question, in my head, after watching this video, is to learn more on just how the independent axle travel was limited. When either the Truck leaves the ground (Think Dakar Rally), or by bottoming out, say when the Truck is overloaded on rough terrain. I did hear that pins of some sort, in the upper axle house facilitated the limit, but I would sure love to see how that is being done. Also, I will try to go and look now, to see if I can find the History of this "Pinzgauer" drive system, in the Dakar Rally.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ledwinka
Thank you for that link Thomas. I have read that before though, and even a second time. I still cannot glean exactly who is building this driveline. Are you saying that this video also has Tatra parts? Or could it be now called Steyr-Daimler-Puch? What does the data tag read on this Pinzgauer Driveline I wonder?
Tatra builds it's own drive line and there's plenty videos on KZhead showing this. Hans Ladwinka designed this system when at Tatra in the 1920's and his son did a similar design for Steyr-Puch (who make Pnzgauer) in the 1960's. So the link between the companies is father and son and nothing else. Tatra build their own vehicles including the driveline and Steyr-Puch built theirs although BAE Systems Inc. bought the rights to Pinzgauer in 2000 and built them in England from then onwards.
Captain Win - Thank you very much for those pieces to the puzzle! Now that makes perfect sense. I have seen some "Tatra built" wording in several videos here, but no "Tatra building" these drive lines. I will narrow my searching a bit more, and do my best to come up with some of those. Most people don't know, or dig in deep enough to find the differences. Licensing deals could be playing a role, behind the scenes for example, in some manufacturing/assembly lines, and we wouldn't know it, until we look for those answers. I am wanting to know the entire history. Again, thank you very much for taking the time to reply with that information.
The son Erich Ledwinka also worked some time for Tatra and took the concept to SDP. They even got sued for it. You will also like the Haflinger which is built the same way but smaller.
It doesn't matter where the design came from, these are awesome off road vehicles in 4x4 and 6x6 setup. The only downside is the complexity and hence the considerable in service maintenance required. Costs of major driveline failures are astronomic. Even the military wince at the operating costs.
Dartmoor Dave Not really, Tatra Trucks are still in use after 40 years of working. There is actually nothing to broke in combination with air cooled Tatra engine. Maybe just pinzgauer is crap. Actually with this concept you can build unlimited number of axles truck (Tatra builds 16x16 trucks for rafinery Now) and the costs are getting lower than standard chassis with more and more axles.
Backbone tube nicely explained. It is interesting to compare both Porsche and Ledwinka continuing to develop same ideas as Tatra on other side of Iron curtain. Pinzgauer reminds me mostly of Tatra 805. They both look a bit nervous off-road, perhaps because of high center of gravity. Despite that, both are quite capable.
Wrong Porsche steal from Tatra it is fact but WW2 and cold war after masked this theft. After WW2 Tatra got small compensation from german for that but that's all.
I'm replacing some small sections in the rear cargo area side panels. Does anyone know the thickness of the body sheets? 1974 710m
Very interesting way to arrange a differential, especially because it means the wheels on the same 'axle' are not the same distance along the vehicle. What can't be seen here is that (As far as I can work out anyway) the input drive to the diff turns the shaft that the side pinions in the meshed set of 4 in the centre of the diff are attached to. This transfers drive to the front at back pinions in the meshed set of 4 to transfer drive to the half shafts going to the left and right wheels. The locking mechanism locks the input shaft (Which passes uninterrupted through the differential) to the rear pinion driving the crown wheel to the left half shaft. Looking at the way the drive shaft passes straight through the differential, I suspect this is why they're able to make 6x6 or 8x8 versions easily with the same building blocks. The downside is that wind-up in the shafts will be an issue where there's full traction on all wheels as all axles will be driven at the same speed, so maybe there's more to it, my knowledge of this driveline is limited to guesses from looking at the video here only.
About 1/2" or so, it doesn't really matter.
True - the crown and pinion gears shown turn the drive 90 degrees and allow suspension movement, but they're not the differentials; the internals of the differentials are not shown.
Never seen one in person, would like to see one do its thing off-road
so again. this type of chassis is from Hans Ledwinka, the first use of this chassis was the Tatras, is not talking about the video talking here about the chassis, as my colleague has already said that it was Tatra later is not true, tatra was the first in the video for the Steyr but chassis design is from Hans and was used for the Tatras and later modified in Steyr, Steyr chassis that could be used on bigger trucks because it interfered with the patent Tatras,Tatra heavy truck steyr light truck
Ingenious!
у татры полуоси не соосны? колеса потразному стоят?
awesome video man!!!
Fascinating! I have read that the driveshafts are staggered by 30mm, due to the dual crownwheel setup. How does this translate on the ground? Are the portals slightly angled to compensate? I doubt that the wheels are staggered on the ground, as it would make the vehicle very near undrivable. Just in case you are wondering what the proper term is for "the witches hat", it is actually called the axle journal neck.
Some Renault car had staggered rear wheels (to allow the torsion bar springs to sit one in front of the other), and there was no effect on driveability.
@@brianb-p6586 Interesting! Can you remember which models had this setup? Thank you for your input. :-)
@@gmcevoy The one I remember is the first-generation Renault 5, which is the only Renault of it's vintage sold in any significant number here (in North America). The R 5 suspension came directly from the Renault 4, and was also used in the Renault 6, but apparently was not used in this form in larger or later models, or even the second generation 5. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4#/media/File:Axle_-_Trailing_arm_41.gif en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_4#Suspension The specs in Wikipedia (for the Renault 4) show a 45 mm (2.8") difference between the sides.
@@brianb-p6586 Fascinating. Thank you!
awesome thanks!
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Thanks that was good
Sir. Could you please elaborate on the 3 control levers on the dashboard. Also does this particular model have a centre diff- Transfer case. And in the 6x6 variant, is there a lockable inter axle diff. Between the 2 rear axles.
One lever to engage drive to the front; the other two levers lock the front and rear differentials. No, there is no centre differential: it is a part-time system, in either rear-only drive or four wheel drive with front and rear speeds locked. No, the 6X6 has no interaxle-differential, or inter-axle disconnect: both rear axles are always driven, and always at the same speed. It's not good for paved surfaces.
it was invented in Graz, Austria
So, it looks like one rear wheel is further forward than the other??
it is.
Same at the front.
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so when the diff is not locked, Is the one shaft driven and the other totally free balling? is there any friction drive or anything else putting torque on the outside coaxial shaft when the locker is not engaged?
The torque goes through the main shaft to the boxy thing visible in 2:22, which distributes it via the spider gears to both ring gears, so also unlocked both wheels are driven.
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Thanks for explaining, amazing engineering. .but wouldn't want to work on that..very nice but would prefer unimog simplicity. .
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ah yes, Mercedes Benz. renowned worldwide for making vehicles that are simple and easy to repair.
where do i get one of these? i want to make a 6 wheel, 6x6 off road buggy with irs/ifs and one of these in the middle
If click on show more you will find our web store and you can email us. We do have used drivelines available for purchase and can ship both ground and freight.
Wasn't this ingenious system created by Tatra?
Does that mean that the wheels from the left side are a bit offset from the wheels of the other side because of the axel placement to give room for the second crown and pinion set up?? So the wheels of the one side are a little behind the wheels of the other side??
yes, idk the exact measurement on this one, but on TATRAs the right side is about 55mm ahead
TATRA!!! Nothing else
Except Tatra doesn't make a small version which is unfortunate.
Any chance of a close-up look of the 6x6 system.
I the 6X6 there are two rear differentials/final drives, just connected with no inter-axle differential.
really smart people invented that.
дифференциал какой-то нифуя непонятный,но сцуко мощный ! 👍
This is an origin TATRA concept...
Very powerful truck
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ive always wondered what would happen if the differential overextended itself and the two axle gears were to touch
Destruction. The pin mentioned in the video limit travel to prevent this, but probably wouldn't be strong enough. The suspension bump stops and droop straps prevent excessive travel.
@@brianb-p6586 don't want to be the one to open the diff up to find out!!!
на татре применено но калеса на татре по оси моста в разбежку
Super! TATRA lässt grüßen. Gleiches Prinzip der Differentiale u. Pendelachsen.
nice!!
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So the wheels on one side of the vehicle are misaligned with the wheels on the other side! So the vehicle swerves as you brake hard. Crazy!
The half shaft crown wheels are driven off centre but the half shaft housings and tubes are in line out to the hubs and linkages. It's a great system. Never seen one so well split
This is an elementary. Though EXCELLENT explanation. Which Even I can comprehend. Now. I di not want to sound out too loud. but. Although I think that this drive line is much more expensice than that of a Mog. I have also seen obstacle course demos. Such e.g. kzhead.info/sun/fbOEecmZqKaGrZE/bejne.html. Decide for yourself. But for the record. My jaw dropped. Thank you very much!
No RZR box
next time when someone inserts a comment and do not respond that it is someone else's invention, when the truth is that it's just a modification of something already used long ago, I wrote that this is just Tatra Kopřivnice concept, invented by Hans Ledwinka and used it in her first time, do not deny your right it's Steyr I just wrote that it was the original concept Tatra
neat.
сальников сколько..замучаешься масло доливать
please what name of this differential, brand?
Steyr Puch Pinzgauer
Качающиеся в корпусе редуктора полуоси интересно сделаны. Интересно какой у них ресурс, до того момента, как они потекут?
Раньше потекут бортовые редукторы. Если не уследить то умрут быстро. Хлопотно.
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If you did use a Tatra Chachi, with a Scania V8 Diesel engine, a M.A.N Gearbox, and Tatra's own Diffenrentiale, and a Daf stiringhouse, then you will have the strongest and the best Truck in the world..
I'd prefer an older two stroke Detroit Diesel.
I manufactur all gear like sipral beval etc
concept of the Tatra
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Iz is TATRA concept!!!!!!!!!
Nope, you cant have independent suspension without adding a whole bunch of U joints and wishbone arms and track rods...