On this episode, Seth talks with Ben Syring from Engineering, Matt Ritchie from Tech Services, and Preston Lentfer from Marketing. We discuss our mutual hobby of reloading and the different practices we use on the bench. We all do things a little bit differently, yet most of the time, we end up at the same place. Hopefully you pick up on a thing or two and enjoy the show.
Lets talk about primers and powders! :) Remeber when we could get them?
You can still get them now they are just three times the price on gunbroker lol
I went to a local small gun show just to play lookie loo. I found one pound of Varget and the guy wanted $80. He was charging $1 per primer for primers. I’m sorry but being voluntarily robbed is not in my nature. I need primers bad but not that bad!
@@huntergwebb And they'll keep selling them to any fool that will pay. Factory Remington Core lokt? my box from 2018 says $19.99. Guess what it is now? 80% higher. Not 8 1/2 % (the inflation rate).... 80% !
@@dr.froghopper6711 I didn't buy anything either at our last one. Nice MArlin .336, but I had to pass cause I had recently got a pre 64 Model 94 in .32 WS that was cherry.
I was at Cabelas over the weekend, and they had a decent selection of powders on the shelves but no primers. The prices weren't too bad, around $40 to $45 per pound. Still high, but at least coming down from last year.
Seth you do an incredible job hosting this podcast. The way you squeeze out the information out of these gun and ammo gurus is top notch.
53 min in... still watching; nobody has mentioned annealing as part of their process...? This was a great episode, much of this conversation was very relatable.
Very surprised about that, most all competition shooters and serious reloaders will anneal their cases in order to achieve better neck tension consistency and longer brass life.
This material is gold!
You gentlemen have a plethora of knowledge. It would be great if you guys could do an intro to reloading and go over the different types of equipment.
Glad yall brought reloading into the podcast. Hornady #1
Finally!
Love the topic but we need primers in order to reload! I have saved enough that I am not out but not shooting like I used to so not buying other supplies!
I started reloading to be able to shoot more. I finally had the chance to go hunting. The feeling of taking game with my own loads is hard to explain.
Wow!!! Started off with a beer, finished with 2. Great podcast! I felt like I was the fifth man at the table….had all the same experiences in different measures…learned some things…fantastic experience!!!
Ever thought of having an interactive show where you have a newbies to reloading and you go through the process from soup to nuts. By the way I'm a newbie to reloading. AP press and dies, hornady bullets all I need now is proper instruction. Its important we learn to do it right and have the right equipment to do it. I'm half way there. Thanks byw, always a common sense lesson. Don :
I really enjoyed this Podcast. Thanks guys. Your all speaking my language.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Got the big rig, it's awesome. Unfortunately nobody has primers for sale, so awesome paperweight.
I’ve got over 20k primers in stock. Some with dates back to 2002.
Good to see this company taking the time and effort to share their expertise with us amateurs
Just produced my first batch back in June. I’ve loaded 500 rounds this far. Was nerve racking at first but has been an awesome experience. Appreciate the podcast as well as many others helping newbies like myself.
Hi Jason. I’m continuously learning every year. Cheers
Great podcast. Thanks guys awesome information. Confirmed Hornady shooter
Damn, this is good sh*t! I can listen/talk about reloading everyday of the year.
I’m just getting into it to try to get better groups and consistency casue across the board I feel like qc of box ammo isn’t where it used to be and I’m already hooked trying to take in and learn much as I can
Not having as much problems finding powder, except for some very popular powders, as much as Primers. When they are available, they are exorbitantly High, enough so this retiree on a limited income has to pass up. I started reloading 43 years ago. At first because it was a cost issue, but now because I enjoy reloading almost as much as much as shooting. The attention to detail satisfies my extreme OCD. Crafting the perfect load for each of my guns is extremely satisfying. I started with a Lee Loader in .357 Magnum (the old mallet powered case neck die), but within a year or two, bought a single stage press. To this day, I'm still using that same press all these years later. Friends have bought Progressives, but I doubt any of them have reloaded enough to offset the cost. I've Dies from Lee, RCBS, Redding and Hornady. I too start by depriving, and then cleaning, and then I go through each case and clean the primer pocket by hand, at the same time that allows me to inspect each case. Cases are then ran through the sizing die, then checked for dimensions, and then trimmed to 1/1000th over minimum case length. Reprised on a bench priming tool. Charges are thrown via a powder measure, checking and verifying weight every 5th throw. Bullets are then finger pressed as each case is filled. Then bullet seating. During that step, each cartridge is checked for overall length. Finally step is crimping, and usually that is done with either a Taper Crimp or Collet Crimp Die (depending upon the cartridge). Being retired, I've a lot of time on my hand, generally though, I can average 150 to 200 per hour, not counting cleaning. The only cartridge I reload, that I worry about concentricity of the bullet is .300 Win Mag because of the short case neck of that cartridge. All the other cartridges I eyeball it.
I don't think you can go long or deep enough on reloading (or the ballistics) topics. Keep it all coming both for the beginner and in-depth, I'm getting something out of it all, thank you!
That was a lot of good information and advice. Something available from Hornady anytime on the phone or by email. I started handloading in 1968 or 1969 to have Ammunition I couldn't buy. It started with 2 1/2 inch 16 gauge shotshells for Belgian double barrel that was really inexpensive.. I don't remember when I could get every load I wanted for any gun I owned. 170, 180, & 190 grain 357 Magnum loads were never available near me. Finding 1 1/4 ounce loads of #5 lead shot in 12 gauge never happened in the 60s or 70s. I had to find my own load for a 6mm Remington with a 100-grain bullet that wouldn't exit a coyote at 450 yards, dystroying its pelt. I weighed & sorted the cases, & bullets outside reamed the necks, only neck-sized the ammo and weighed every load of powder for Remington 6mm.
At the age of 61 I'm getting into reloading. I've ordered and I'm patiently waiting for 8 turret press.{Brand redacted} I can't wait to get my hands on it. I'm reading and watching on the internet everything that I can find. Wish me luck. Great content and great channel.
Wonder why you guy's didn't talk about annealing brass. Still a great pod cast. Time flew by.
I noticed that too. I assume they do it, but it seems they can't mention anything that Hornady doesn't make a product for. (Annealing and Neck Expander Mandrel Dies came to mind). I get it but...I see it as a disservice to the novice listeners, and a blatant omission to the experienced ones. It SHOULD be part of this conversation. Not blaming those at the table of course.
@@ericbennett1253 We can certainly talk annealing, and plan to talk about it on a part 2.
Great podcast! I’d love to listen to “part 2”
Well spoken gents!!!! I reload for consistency!!! Then its easy to adjust!!! Keep the pod casts coming!!!!!
Will do!!
Do a part 2 ! I’m new and brave but I’m a nerd too that is careful! I could talk myself stupid about this. I’m no expert but there’s just so much to learn!
Congratulations and welcome to the world of re-loading. These web sights are a good place for information but the first thing to do is get a good reloading manual and read it from cover to cover. Then read a manual created by a different manufacturer. These books are your bible in the re-loading world. The newer manuals have more information about newer powders but old manuals have been a wealth of knowledge for me. I like older calibers, 7x57, 30-06, etc.. Don't get to thinking you are creative until you have many years of knowledge under your belt, follow the books.
You can make it is as extensive and complicated as you want or as simple as you can. The first MOA is simple, welcome to your newest addiction.
My first handloads were for a Model 629 Smith&Wesson when I was 14. Loaded 6 rounds of 44 Mag with 180 gr hollowpoints and Unique powder for it with a Lyman reloader I got for Christmas the next year. My father shot the first round at the local gravel pit while I watched from the car. I could see him trembling as he pulled the trigger, but a big smile came over his face when it felt normal and didn't blow up. He let me fire the next 5 shots and I've been loading steadily ever since. I'm 52 now.
I started reloading with a a lee basic reloader that I had to hammer the case into and out of the die. This was when I was around 12-14 years old.
OMG, my head hurts. I'm glad that you'll came back around to, only the necessary steps, to get reasonably good groups.
I am planning on starting to hand load ammunition and in all of the reading ive done and video's i have watched ive learned so much but ive also learned that i havent even scratched the surface and honest to god its a bit overwhelming
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I had a friend help me with my first batch of 100 handloads, so I wasn't too worried about shooting it in my rifle. But I definitely shot my first rifle build from 20 feet away and used a string to pull the trigger
I deprime also before I clean for the same reason, but also, cleaning the cases with the primers left in (I use sonic cleaning) will dirty the water much sooner and that's "no bueno"
Lots to learn! I’ve done a few reloads many, many years ago and am now gearing up for serious reloading and, as a retirement hobby I will shoot for accuracy and fun. Want a dedicated press for decaping and priming. Got the Hornady manual and am marking it up!
No turning necks for me either, and Match Grade dies. Absolutely deadly ammo. 338 lapua, 6.5 prc! 6.5 creed, 300 prc, 308 win, 300 win. I use Redding competition dies in 7mm rem mag just because ive had them for 20 plus years and Hornady wasnt making match dies yet, but nowadays i buy Hornady match if available. I believe the MOST important part of the reloading process is the sizing stage. Get that right and concentric necks, and you will make good ammo😉
Thanks for all the information answered some of my questions now I can relax.
Love rreloading... but I have only 90 primers left. Can't reload without primers so you guys NEED to get ln the stick!! Get us the primers !! 90 small pistol !! C'MON !!
I only have 20,000 primers in my bin. Poor me. 😂
Great show very informative
Amazing 👏 podcast, I learned alot
I have reloaded for 55 years and mainly for hunting. I have never worried about polishing my brass. I do wash it to clean it but shiny brass does not shoot any better than tarnished brass. Steel pins cause case erosion and I would like to have my brass last as long as possible. The primer pocket is cleaned with a primer pocket cleaner. I like Hornady bullets but where are they available. Certainly not on the internet that I have found.
I like mine polished. I think if I opened up a box of new ammo and the brass looked all dirty, I would not buy it. I like especially to clean the case necks with some fine steel wool to get the carbon off so I can see any cracks more easily.
Just yesterday found a crack in neck of a piece of .270, while I was cleaning it with some steel wool.
@@cbsbass4142 It's fine to treat your brass as you like but cleaning with steel wool is a bad idea according to everything I've ever read and there is no carbon left on the brass after washing it. Cracks can be seen by my eyes in tarnished brass as well as shiny brass. I'm more of a function rather than fashion guy.
Damnit I cant believe I just spent like $800 on reloading equipment when I could have done it with a punch and a couple of hammers with some super glue.
Thanks for the informative video! I’ve had the equipment for years but never took the step since I had milsurp rifles shooting surplus ammo. I now have a rifle that reloading may be beneficial. Thanks again! Reloading part two sounds like a great video!
Regarding making reloading simple or complicated. I saw a hickok45 video where he fires a round, picked up the brass, went to his shop, wiped it off, went through the whole process in about 20 seconds and fired it again.
I really enjoy these podcasts, thank you. One thing I have never fully understood is why bullets of the same caliber which appear to be very similar in weight, dimensions, etc have such different recommendations for powders and loads. Why is a 90g GMX so different to other monolithic bullets and/or lead core bullets?
I clean my primer pockets, sometimes with a qtip. Its a respect for my equipment thing.
Need more 6.5 ELD-X bullets. 🤣
Thanks!
Very good and informal podcast! Thanks gentlemen!
Thanks for listening
So let’s hear y’all’s thoughts on how you choose which specific powder to start with, out of the selections listed in the reloading manuals. once you have a purpose for that round and bullet selected, how do you know which powder?
You talked about neck tension. I shoot long range prone matches where 1/2 minute accuracy is OK but better is better. I use very light neck tension- about 0.001”. I never thought about neck tension changing the ignition. How much does that matter? Also, I seat my bullets just a few thousands off of the lands. My head space is typically 0.001”. When the firing pin strikes the primer the cartridge is only shoved that 0.001” forward. I have a friend who used to “soft seat” his bullets. Outstanding rifleman. He was trying out for the US Palma Team at Camp Perry. A boat sailed into the impact zone. A ceasefire was called and when he opened the bolt on his gun the bullet stuck in the barrel. The powder fell out and jammed the trigger mechanism. He borrowed another rifle but it had problems and he didn’t make the international team that time. He did make it the next time. He is that good. I don’t think he soft seats his bullets anymore! My dies are custom dies by Whidden Gun Works for my latest 6.5X47 Lapua. Whidden both chambered the gun and supplied the dies. The chambering reamer and the die reamer are coordinated if you get both from him. As a result the brass is worked a minimum amount. At the time I bought the gun only Lapua made brass for that cartridge so it was all very consistent. I don’t neck turn but if I did it would reduce the tir only by 0.001 - 0.002”.
Play reloader on the cheap. Get a Hornady Concentricity gizmo. Simple and will straighten factory ammo as well.
i love the progressive press but had to get the single stage specifically for 338 lapua...haha
Reloading has come a long way since I was a 10 year old banging together 22 hornets with my prized Lee Loader ( 63 yrs ago).
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reloading for mid range groups in 308, taught me A LOT about chambers etc.
Great info,,, I would like for you to show diagrams, demos, examples, and samples because many of us are new to or not versed in some of the things you are discussing.
I remember my first reload and that feeling I had my first reloaded caliber was a 300 blackout 110gr barens tac tx good video tho guys thanks
Do they cote primer pockets with carbon residue at the factory for factory ammo? Yes/No? Just saying.
Thank you👊
Thank you
My V spread sucks. Has to be neck tension? I did drill and tap my hand primer so the depth of consistent.
You mention there is no "free velocity" with the exception of increasing barrel length or increasing the duration of max pressure. But can you get more velocity from "modern"/"efficient" case designs for a given case capacity that are shorter, fatter, and higher shoulder angle without increased pressure when using the same power, charge, bullet, and barrel length? Example being a 30-06 vs a 6.5prc necked up to 30cal (same case capacity).
Hi great pod cast, I would be interested in how reloading relatest to the older rifle, specifically WW1 & WW2 era, I reload my .303 Lee-Enfield, 8mm Mauser, Mosin all are 1950ish and I reload to the Mag length, would like a podcast relating to this subject, thanks again
I’m loading for my Springfield M1A. It’s the scout model, 18” barrel with a 1:11 twist. It’.s also NY compliant so there is no muzzle device. I’ve been listening to the podcast series on ballistics, bullet drag and reloading. My question is the effects of twist rate and barrel length for short barreled rifles as compared to the test barrels used in the loading manual. The barrel used for the 308 service rifle in the manual is 22” 1;10 twist. The data is based on it. If I use velocity as a method to monitor pressure, what factors should I consider for the shorter slower M1A barrel. My thought is if I attempt to obtain the velocity of the longer barrel used in the manual, I would be doing so at much higher pressures. The difference in barrel length is 4 inches. If I consider a value of 30fps per inch of barrel I would then think my barrel to be 120fps slower than the longer barrel. Would it then be reasonable to consider my max velocity to be 120fps slower then the published data to maintain safe pressure levels.
It varies from barrel to barrel, but you should probably assume 20-25 fps per inch.
There's reloading, then there's handloading. I re-load cartridge brass I already fired. I handload ammo using all new components to make new ammo instead of buying it.
One day im gonna have a place big enough for a gun room with a reloading setup
id like to know your opinion on brass selection, when reloading is it important to have all brass from the same lot of factory ammunition or can they accurately be interchanged. example Hornady black brass mixed with superformance brass
Depends on your accuracy expectations. Fast shooting where small groups are less important than accuracy it went matter a lot. Bench rest, F Class, most target shooting I use same batch Lapua brass.
Great video guys! I have a question? I am an old Viet Nam Veteran. I am 75 years old I am a 7mm 08, guy I have two, both different name brands. Iam not a precision shooter. Just a hunter!
On the subject of case trimming: my mentor always would trim it a little farther back (1/2mm) from the max length. Recently I’ve seen videos on YT that this can cause a carbon ring and failure to feed. Is this something I’d need to worry about for my hunting rifle? Shooting 40 rounds a year or less.
It really is cartridge dependent, but I will go to book recommended trim length typically - Preston
On the subject of finding “the node”: I’ve always started my load development in the middle of the recommended range, then load 4-5 every half grain up to max load. Ultimately looking for the best group of 3 and any signs of pressure. Is this now not the correct method for load development? This video would suggest I pick my preferred powder and projectile, then confirm the speed and shoot a larger sample size to confirm accuracy… is the 3-5 sample size not enough to confirm the best loads out of a hunting barrel? This video and another by “reloading all day” suggests there’s a “myth of barrel nodes” and powder charge recipes importance, as long as you keep it within safe pressure. Thus, it seems like I should be looking for the most powder I can (safely) fit as the more important factor for accuracy. This seems like a new idea to me. Which is it?
We will be doing another podcast on proper sample size in the future. Stay tuned!
@@hornady Thanks Preston. FYI - working on a new load for my 300wsm. RL-17 powder, Nickle Win Brass, Fed215 primer, Hornady 180 Interbond.
@@hornady when will that be available? This podcast brings lots of questions.
My ? is what powder do you recommend For140 grain.
Chamber seating was normally near zero neck tension. Unchambering a live round without, holding the rifle vertical, nearly always resulted in powder everywhere. I don't like it...lol.
lets talk about getting brass for 6 arc and 7 prc on the shelves first, then maybe we can reload instead of talking about it!
Ready for 6mm ARC 65 and 87gr factory loads!!!
Deprime before you wet tumble so the water comes out faster and easier, especially with 556
Agree with most but I strongly disagree with only neck sizing. If you shoot it outside you nead reliability. The brass these days last 15 to 20 firings so there is not much advantage there. Accuracy there's not much advantage if any, if there is I haven't seen it. Seems like the other 3 agree with me!
Preston, starts with 1-2 grains below max listed load??? Goes against the Hornady manual. Just kidding. Allot of Reloading experience with your individual rifle allows some short cuts.
I use to reload and not give a flying flip about their max loads, i figured all the data had a lawyer attached. But i just watched their video on internal ballistics, and I guess the limit is literally where they hit saami pressure. Lol wish I had been a bit smarter about that. I just traded in my mossberg mvp in 6.5 that I regularly loaded several gr over their max charge with superformance powder. I was chasing full length velocity from short barrel rifles. Heck in my 308 MVP I was getting 25" gun velocity out of 16 inches. Im lucky it didnt kaboom XD. Im going to tone it down now. Im super greatful for these videos
Depends on the cartridge too, 10 grains or 90 grains. 1-2 grains makes much more difference at the low end.
Says a lot about Hornady factory ammo.
I JUST RAN OUT OF ***GLUE***AND I GOT A MATCH TOMORROW *** !!!!
I know none of this terminology. How do I go about getting a job shooting all day?
Let's talk about 6 ARC brass. My guess is that none of the folks on this set have any problem getting brass. Hornady's "let them eat cake" moment.
You guys better pay close attention to Ben ;)- he'll make you better :)
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The Dragons load
Custom Die engineer will hornady make a custom die to an individuals spec?
Yep
Thanks, makes the possibilities of wildcatting easier @@hornady
Well he got to my point. Still it may?? Have made me not want to buy 250$ dies. 40$ dies made 250. Neck tension is my biggest concern at this point. I wake up at night covered in sweat. Not really. A row of eggs on a fence at 3 will not be breakfast.
Art v Science 😀
Please do a 6.5mm for elk podcast!
Thanks a lot, your server is down so no reloading data...*sigh*
ok so i am the odd guy. i started out in black powder. reloading was just loading black powder by other means. lol
What's the email address for questions/podcast topics?
podcast@hornady.com
So, spend $2,000 in equipment to save 30-40% in ammo?
Whatever you do don't show or do any of the things your talking about. I've been loading for 60 years and showing is as important to some as hearing so Rockon Hornady podcasts.
None of you anneal?
That may have to be in a part 2. Some of us do, and some don't.
I have NOT forgotten how you treated your employees. I will never buy your products again.
Government and the borrowed money that is printed out of thin air will always be the biggest customer and lifeline of these small to medium sized manufacturers. So they have to comply with the requests of the money creators.
There are a lot of people not buying their products because they are not available. The fellows on this post are probably shooting up all the components made.
What you mean? Did you worked at Hornady and got fired?
@@xXRistoXxI believe they are referring to vaccine mandates during the pandemic.
Machinist that can't do math isn't