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The plus side with Samsung since their SSD days has always been their software. Being able to always check health of your drive, do testing, updating of drive and easy backup and cloning.
Thank you for the video. A note about pcie5 m.2 ssds: I have found that many new motherboards, such as the z790, may [or may not] support them. Moreover, the ones that do, may only support one of them and the rest of the m.2 slots are pcie4. In motherboards with an extension card, there may be an additional pcie5 m.2 slot out of the two slots (the other being a pcie4), meaning that for boards with 5 m.2 slots, only 2 may support 5, the other 3 are 4. Furthermore, some motherboards may have 3 m.2 slots and two them support 4tb drives and the last one only supports up to 2tb. They don't tell you anywhere. It took a lot of experimentation to discover this particular frustration.
Just tell us if under load samsung 990 pro 4TB is hotter than wd sn 850x 4TB or not, please be more specific about this?
The news that you presented at the end of the video, that the fact that the ssd health degrating problem was fixed by a firmware update, made my decision to buy this SSD. Thanks for the great video !
They also had problems with the evo 840 where reads of old files got slower over time. It was supposedly fixed in a firmware update, but some people are still reporting problems
Is there a manufacture date we should look for to insure that we are buying a drive with the latest firmware already installed?
Can or Should you use this as external drive for a Mac? Would be formatting it to Mac Journaled.
Still have a Samsung 1TB 970 Pro. Speed is not the only point for me which is important also long term reliability. What's your opinion on this?
23:25 I put my 980 Pro 2 TB in some cheap Ugreen m.2->USB enclosure, and Samsung Magician could access the drive directly and told me that it was running on the latest FW. So, I guess that even a FW update would have worked with this Ugreen case.
My case is rather get what i can afford and store as much has i can on a NAS. Good solution for people that have multiple computers in a household.
How hot does this 4tb with elecgear heatsink in a ps5? Would be nice if your did a video on that 😃
I just ordered the 990 Pro 2TB for my PS5, but am now wondering I should return it and get WD850. I dont have a pc to check or update the SSD. Any help?
as i have own two drives which are using innogrit ig5236, one is 2tb using nand from ymtc and the other is 4tb with b47r, i can say that these chips are no where near room temp even in idle, temp just keeps going up and i wonder how is the differences in term of temp between this 990 pro inhouse controller and ig5236 controller with 4tb on it. . i have own p5 plus 2tb and that thing too runs pretty hot but not as hot as ig5236
Wow that is a lot to take in, I never knew how hard it would be to choose and ssd lol. I updated my old laptop with samsung 970 because it seemed like a reliable option and not much more than a cheaper crucial drive and my laptop can not even use the speed it has anyway, for me reliability is the big factor, a few seconds extra speed here and there make no odds, so the heat thing would worry me.
i have 2 990pro's running in my PC and not a problem with them but i did check the firmware was upto date when i put them in
Great review.... I bought a Samsung T7 2Tb from Amazon for $109.00 including shipping to Korea. Its plenty fast for my external storage needs. For those wondering why I bought the drive from Amazon as opposed to locally where the drive is produced. The answer is because the prices on all drives are approximately 40% more expensive in Korea compared to the US..
That's the case with many consumer products. The US gets a significant trade advantage compared to the rest of the world.
@@redslate Agree 100%
I do video editing using big drives daily... I somehow always had problems with other brands... I burned 2 XPG 4TB drives... had a P3plus sometimes stutter when saving files or only reading at 200MB/s...IDK, bought one of these some time ago and it works "better"
For PS5, 980 Pro is way to go! I wish they would release 4TB version of it too.
why the 990 is damn near the same price...I put 990 a few PS5s and it's fast as hell
In my country there is huge difference. But ofc go with 990 if there is no or small difference@@drewbreeze9788
@@drewbreeze9788because once you have reached the needed level of performance(which the 980 pro more than does), it just doesn't matter if you go higher
@@jtland4842so 990 is better because it’s faster and more efficient. Even if the speeds don’t reflect that because they’re CAPPED
got a 990pro 4 tb - had bad fw - in Magican it showed N/A and though FW update was recomended it wasn't able to do it. It stopped in the process several times - had to return it.
Do the NVME drives suffer from the same problems from QLC as SATA drives? It seems like they should. Does the drive slow down under a sustained write as the faster MLC or SLC chips fill up? If so, by how much?
Under sustained reads and writes it does drop. It takes a bit before it does though.
@@trsskater- I copy Virtual Machine files (.VHD files) to the iSCSI target computer every week for backup. I'm just doing it to an array of SSDs (non-NVME - just 2.5" drives). They are very fast for the first few gigabytes but some of these .VHD files are 40 and 50GB. Those choke the system and it goes from very fast copying to about 150MB/s. It's understandable and it beats the heck out of the array of hard drives I used to copy these things to.
It´s definitely worth. Got mine last week and replaced the SSD´s on my 2 PCs and one Laptop with the 4TB version. Especially for laptops the single side NVME is awesome and it will fit in all 2280 laptops giving you the best performance. HOWEVER, I have to change my initial comment. Yes, the SSD is awesome and super fast, the best one I ever used, BUT samsung still seems to have an issue was faster wear of their pro ssds. I have my 4TB now for around 2 month with 47tb of write while samsung magician reports it back with 94% lifespan while samsung claims 2.4pb of write.
Planning to keep my OS on the sata and just use a nvme drive for game and video processing use
@@Ultrajamzme i use the 2TB nvme gen 3x4 for system and game simulations . I have an additional 512 GB nvme with pciex card for video editing. The machine despite being zen 1 with ryzen 1800x 32GB @3200 gtx1080ti is super fast. I play other games with a console, more convenient in cinema room.
Im gona buy it for my Framework 16 lmao
@@Edward34576 Well I´d be carefull. I wqill change my initial comment because samsung does seem to still have a issue with faster wear of their ssd´s. I use it now since 2 weeks with 47TB write on it. Magician reports it back with 94% lifespan while samsung claims 2.4pb This is inacceptable.
How do you check lifespan in magician? I don't see any % numbers, only Good state.
Would this work in an Alienware 15 R3?
I'm interested in getting this SSD for my gaming laptop, but after hearing about its potential heating issues, I'm not sure if it's a good choice for gaming on a laptop. Do you think I should avoid it, or do you believe it will be okay? (I have a Lenovo Legion 7i Pro Gen 8 with RTX-4090)
It DOES get hot, but it's a gen4 SSD..they all do. As long as you have sufficient heatsinks in place and some half decent airflow, you will be fine
@@nascomparesI would argue to get the SK Hynix P41 for laptops since it is so much more efficient. Though that only matters if the 1 or 2TB models are big enough for you
Wouldve liked to see a summary at the end answering the should you buy question aligned with a few instances, eg for a PS5 yes or no, for a base system drive, for a secondary game data drive etc
After reading the product page.Seems as though even if you don't have a heat spreader on the drive. Samsung still thought enough to ad heat spreading material to the actual Label on the drive!
For me it being single sided is an absolute must as i'm using it in a laptop
I just bought the 4 TB 990 pro to go in my PS5, I don’t have a computer. Do I have to update it somehow?
Solidigm P44 Pro is hands down the best Gen 4 NVME SSD out right now. Paired with its windows driver it is ridiculously fast especially at random read and writes great for a boot/os drive
They're so cheap, 2 years ago the price of 4tb sata ssd was £200-£230 and now you can get a 4tb m2 nvme for that price. Waiting for 8tb nvme m2
7 months later, I'm still sitting on the fence. I went with some SATA ssd 3.5 drives instead which I already had new, after watching real world comparison videos. The leap in speed was great from platter to SSD, but not so great from SSD to NVME. I turned out to be right, because once your computer is booted, most everything you load is a random small file here and there, and you're not going to notice a speed difference between SATA and NVME... at all. Even a big multi gigabyte sized game might only shave you off a second or two in load time. To be honest, that's probably where you will see your biggest gains, as a game drive. I've compared my SATA SSD write speed in video editing to a RAM drive and there is next to no difference... maybe 1s speed gain in a 3 minute video render. Even so, I still use the RAM drive just to cut down on the wear and tear on my SSDs. I put all my money into RAM instead and don't regret it.
It's all about the physical size though, so much smaller, neat and compact. 3.5 SSDs will become a thing of the past eventually.
I'm gonna try this in a Lenovo Legion Pro 7 (2023) laptop as the system drive because one of its M.2 drive bays is only for single sided SSD's. Gladly the drive bays have built-in heatsinks in this laptop... let's see if it throttles under normal use cases but I doubt it.. Why? because statistically this drive runs not much hotter than other high performance Gen 4 drives and e.g. the WD BLACK SN850X which many people use in the Legion laptops (in the other drive bay for double sided SSD's) is also considered a very hot drive, but people seem to rarely have any heat related troubles under "normal" use cases. Yes yes, you can get these drives into throttling, but only if you transfer TB's of data very regularly... but not many average Joe's do that with a laptop, or?
This is exactly what I'm worried: heat during normal use (internet and gaming). Do you have the 990 pro? Can you tell if it gets hot during normal tasks and gaming on your laptop?
@@douglasmartins4688 I've now two 4TB 990 Pro inside since a few month and I also installed new and slightly thicker Gelid Ultimate thermal pads on the storage-slot-side (1.5 mm) and on the OS-side (1 mm)... of course removing the original pads on the black heat spreader before. In summary I have no heat issues whatsoever under normal use (40ish degrees centigrade) and also under gaming. (60ish degrees centigrade). Heavy data transfer I didn't test.
I got the 2tb 990 pro the manufacture date is 9 2023 and would like to use it for the ps5 will it have the latest firmware please?
my 990 pro 4tb came with firmware 0B2QJXG7 is this old ? and need updating, as samsung magician says up to date , is magician locked ? not sure , cant find a answer ?
Two in raid might be nice for video editing
I bought a Sam s 990 pro production date 11-24-2023 is my firmware updated for ps5
Samsung has excellent software for transferring your OS and data too.
Bought the 4tb yesterday for my ps5
Can you put the nvme in an external enclosure plug into windows 11 machine and update firmware ? Thank you.
Yes you can. I bought an active cooled Acasis nvme enclosure. Just plug it in and make sure you've downloaded Samsung Magician software and it will notify you once there is an update.
It's nice but there are more bottlenecks in the system then the nvme drives, I would like to have better internet, but fiber is not on any local providers future plans.
Yes I highly recommend it with heatsink for the PS5, I just got it to upgrade the storage
Did you have to update nvme ssd firmware as there drive health issue on them?
Once it's installed in the PS5 you have to firmware the SSD
@@RedPixieGaming476 There an issue with the batches of nvme ssd firmware that effect few models including Samsung 990 Pro that depletes the health on drives within month of use by 10%. I've been put off buying one since I don't have a PC with M.2 to update it with samsung magic software. You might want to update it on pc if you can to latest firmware, I'm after 4tb 990 Pro myself for ps5 but not gonna take a risk on a very expensive NVME until I know the new ones are upto date.
@rainsnow9174 Makes sense. It's not worth risking it if you can't update the firmware. Not even 100% sure that the firmware update solves the problem entirely. Long-term data is still lacking.
I ran my 980 Pro 2TB until it had issues then upgraded to the 4TB 990 Pro and RMA'd my 980. God bless 4TB+ SSDs in a world where 150GB+ game installs are a thing.
I am going to hard disagree with point that gen 5 may be worth it. If you don't have a system with a gen 5 m.2 slot AND can genuinely benefit from the performance gain now, just stick to gen 4. Even if think you can utilize current gen 5 performance, the cost reduction of gen 5 drives over the next year as they get optimized to full utilize the spec will be massive especially since the lowest end of the gen 5 drives are literally double the cost of the premium gen 4 drives. The same situation will repeat since gen 4 SSD's were like this back in 2019. Also the current gen 5 ssd's usually have worse IOP performance than the best of gen 4 since they are so focused on ultimate sequential performance so they can justify being gen 5 drives.
I'm worried about the heat from the gen 5 from some of the testing channels who have them
Best to go with the heat sync’d version of it, or get a motherboard with a sufficient heat sync like the asus rog z690 and 790s
Just bought a Samsung 990 Pro 4TB with headsink ? Do I need to update the firmware or is it ok as it is ? Want to use it in a PS5
Did you ever get any answers?? I just bought one for my ps5 and I’m wondering the same thing.. I’m hoping it’s already updated upon purchasing
I was very interested in the Samsung 990 Pro but I already purchased a very good 4TB SSD recently
Call me crazy, but for longevity and peace of mind I’ll still go with the WD SN850x 4 or 2 tb
For longevity and peace of mind you have working tested backups. I work in datacenters and we go through hundreds of HD's and SSD'd and consumer M.2 while overall a ton better than spinning rust still have much higher failure rates than the enterprise stuff. I know for the most part the "typical consumer" generally won't run into this but the worst thing we've run into is 'silent failures' of consumer M.2 that report no errors of any kind then just die. We don't keep records like backblaze does since a lot of the stuff we rack is colocation but after spinning rust the next highest things we replace are consumer M.2 and SATA SSD's and sadly those silent failures have been seen across pretty much all manufacturers.
You’re crazy! But I agree with you. I have 3x sn850x and 3x 770 and I’m happy with all of them.
I took the 4TB for the ps5. It should be ok for the life of the console. 5TB total. I took it without heatsink so i could eventually move it to a new pc if i needed to. I took a good cheap heatsink in amazon double side. Not yet install on the ps5. Didn’t have the time to do it. In total the ps5 with 5TB , two controllers and charger and 6 good games (used and on sale) cost me less than a single graphic card and it is really good and powerful and is running clean on the cinema room, no wire, on the big projector 106 inch and on the 7.1 surrond sound system. Top.
Issuse is if you don’t have pc or labtop how you even update. Samsung should of just recalled it
As far as "future proofing" with storage drives, completely irrelevant. I'm still using some 840-870 Sata SSD's and ALL Sata SSD are more than capable of recording 4K gameplay which will not exceed more than 200mb/s and in my use case with mods, reshade enhanced textures only output upto 115mb/s with for example Hogwarts Legacy and most games including Cyberpunk being under 100mb/s, closer to 50mb/s.
I want to put this in a NUC - that OK?
You for got to mention the big issue of the health of the ssd dropping by 10% within a month of used
You should probably watch the video before commenting such nonsense cause over 20% of the video is about that issue and what to do about it.
The problem with these videos is each one says something different. One video samsung is more durable and runs cooler on another its the WB850 🤔
he covered it my bad , doesnt effect the 4tb , my bad thankyou
The extra speed is nice but it’s still only marginally better overall. here at the “end of a gen” I’d rather have more space then a .5 sec faster load time on an already fast drives. Been loving my 4tb Sabrent rocket4 plus and just bought a 8tb that should take my ps5 through to retirement just wish there was an easy way to move data from the old drive to the new drive that still PS5 compatible😢 4tb is a lot to be moving.
I've never heard of that brand... the reviews aren't great
@@PoetofHateSpeech what?! They make all sorts of high-end SSDs, one of the first to get a PS5 certification, they were the first to make a PS5 m.2 door/heatsink hell there is like 8 or so reviews and heat and speed test on this page. and 98% of reviews I’ve seen were phenomenal. And if that’s not enough for ya the 4tb I have has been running strong for over a year no issues.
@pimpinken8901 Not disagreeing. I a few reviews I've seen said they are sluggish. But I honestly believe real users then reviewers
i found out after change from HDD to SDD, that windows restart faster, load faster, firefox is 3 times faster, youtube loading faster, programms loading faster, i install the Samsung 980 PRO SSD, 1TB, before my OS HDD was 250 GB big but 1TB is more than enough for an OS and extra Data. A SSD is best invest to upgrade your Computer i can tell you 100%.
Hmm.. But I need more than 4 TeeBee 🤔
TBW is 2400 TB, this works out to be no real improvement over the past few years.
The nas SSD are the longest lasting. A million twd
Nice video, but the music for transitioning between sections seems cheesy and makes it seem less professional. But it might be just me.
agree
For me Samsung has drop the ball, i had two 980Pro go bad without any warnings, months later a firmware to avoid this issue. Also had a couple of Sata Samsung go bad over time. For me Crucial is my brand for Sata SSDs and NVME M.2 SK Hynix and Seagate are my preference, no issues with either.
16:34 - I challenge the statement that you are planning to use these SSD's for many years. Several things speak against this. First of all SSD's have not proved to be all that long lived. I've seen way too many die way too soon to feel much confidence in that we will be using them for all that long. And with the current crop of Gen5 drives running so hot that doesn't seem like a recipe for increased longevity. Then there's the limited improvement in performance compared to Gen4 drives. In a few years these will feel dated, both from a thermal point and from a performance point. Unless you have some very specific use for the drive it's unlikely you will be able to see and huge difference in performance compared to a good Gen4 drive. Mean while there is a lot of room for Gen5 drives to improve substantially compared to what's available today. Finally there's the drive size. 4TB will be a good size for a few years to come, but the smaller drives won't fare as well. And we will get larger drives! I have a feeling we might see more odd sizes, like 6, 10, or 12 TB drives. But if there's anything I've learned over the years it's that anytime anyone says something about the users not going to need or want more memory, performance, or storage you know they are going to be proven wrong. So I doubt buying the current Gen5 drives will be considered to have been a good investment in a couple of years. Instead buy a cheaper Gen4 drive that's almost as fast, and runs a lot cooler. In a few years you will stare at the drives that approaches 14 to 15 GB/s and then you might actually see a significant performance increase.
IDIOTT
NO Dont buy it..Its crab with a lot of problems.
so it wouldn't be hard for you to give some examples of those "lot of problems", right?
Thing isn't even out yet and this guy claims there's "a lot" of problems.
It’s not a crab. It’s the SSD actually.
I dont see it in shops yet....