Beyond All Reason Beginner Guide & New Player Tips - These basic tips and very basic build order can be used on most maps (ideally in team games).
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0:00 Intro & Game Modes
1:30 Resources & Reading the Map
4:00 Controls, Settings & Hotkeys
5:00 Starting Build Order & Factions
8:55 Build Power, Reclaim & Production
14:40 Moving Commander & Basic Defense
19:30 Advanced Hotkeys & Many More Tips
26:40 Teching Up & Unit Control
30:45 Final Thoughts
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Written version of the build order, remember this is a very basic build for new players to get started, and works on most maps! BUILD: Place Commander near front of spawn area, ideally close to 3+ Metal Extractor (MEX) This is for most maps where Wind is usually 8+ Pregame Queue (Commander): -2 Mex -2 Wind -3rd Mex -3rd Wind -Bot Lab (near a mex) When it is building queue up: - Tick/Grunt - Rez Bot (if resources) - 2x Constructor - 50x Pawns/Grunts -4th Wind --- Commander Boost Bot Lab (until out of energy) Add ~2 Energy & Energy Storage Radar (Near Lab) Light Turret (Protecting Mexes) Move Out Onto Map --- Constructor 1 Boost Bot Lab Help Build Construction (Nano) Turret Constructor 2 Build Wind Farms & Occassional Converter (pretty much until T2) Constructor 3 (Built ~3mins) Queues up 2 Construction Turrets and then moves onto Map --- Keep Making Pawns and Holding the Frontline, taking more mexes with commander and reinforcing defenses with Constructors Keep a lookout for Reclaim Metal/Energy opportunities and DONT FORGET RADAR! After 8+ Mins start thinking about Tier 2 Bot Lab if you have the resources/holding strongly, dont get too greedy and maybe ask your team if possible. --- Thanks for watching, hopefully this gives some direction if you have been struggling, especially in team games :) Lik and subscrib
It looks like nice build for macro training
Why near a MEX? there's no adjacency bonus in this right? or do you mean roughly near?
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This guide is mostly for new players who have no idea where to start, especially in team games! I tried to focus on the basic build order and getting out onto the map, something I noticed many players (myself included) struggle with when starting the game out. I plan on making more guides, and very open to suggestions.
Thanks for making the video. Would you make a video about key binds, commands, ect...?
you now have the most updated guide, any other i've found is from at least a year ago
I think as a next step you casting 1v1s has maybe the biggest potential to help new players now that you’ve made this guide. Not for them to learn sweaty 1v1 strategy, but just to see examples of tight economic scaling without too many other distractions that come with team games.
I need a video on all the infinite shortcut and keybind possible because you can do so much stuff (like i always forgot that you can send an army moving with the speed of the slowest unit you are sending)
I haven't played the game so take what I say with a pinch of salt, but one thing that I notice is the resources at the start of your build. The optimal BO gives you buildcap as fast as you can without stalling on the other resources. So in sc1 most good builds would almost drain metal and keep energy somewhat balanced, the better ones would also drain energy and keep it and metal toped with reclaim. If it works the same as sc1 there are some general rules to follow: stalling power should be avoided because it will decrease metal income, so overproducing ~10% is not to bad. overproducing engies by one or 2 is not bad in the early game after the starting bo, floating metal should be avoided if at all possible, unless you are reclaiming.
This game has very little knowledge spread over the internet, and I think this is one of the best things about it. It was the first time I went into a Multiplayer match and didn't feel I had to play like a tryhard. What sold this game for me was the impact tactical decisions have over micromanaging stuff. A suggestion: Make a guide about units. As a new player, understanding the dynamic between units, specially T2 is a major issue.
if you look up the old Total Annihilation guides you'll find a lot more info. This is basically a modernized version.
Another nice thing that is happening here but not mentioned, is that the commander builds all the starting buildings in range of its starting location. He doesn't waste any time moving around
That's right, never waste time. Did you I play the original game? This feels so much like it that I think I would have done well at 16, playing BOR.
important note for Cortex; They do not get an equivalent BOT to Armada's tick. They do get a high speed scout vehicle, so you often see more cortex players go vehicles for this reason in team games.
Yes ! Thank you ! I'm really looking forward to you casting some high level players games as well. Been loving BAR content and playing it. Yesterday I tried raptors in solo, that was gruesome !
I used to play a lot of TA when I was a wee little boy and I tried to get into BAR a few months ago but it was totally overwhelming. I am going to try it again and want to thank you for this quick and helpful guide. Good stuff!
Thanks for this Beginner Tips! I come from Supreme Commander series and the different control mechanics were totally throwing me off. Using reclaim/repair areas, shortcuts, attach move/fight move, etc are all very different, but significantly better once you learn them. But it's that first seeing how those controls work that's been very helpful!
Nice guide ! I got into BAR thanks to you, so I'm definitely looking forward to more of these
You explained me to a T in the beginning! 😂 A+ for all the explanations and the tips! I used to play TA so was so excited to see BAR make it even better! I hope to catch you on twitch sometime soon!
wow, this has been very helpful. For me the biggest change was hold the line and get the center. I watched previously 1v1 and some larger scale mp battles, but I didn't learn much because there's too much to focus on. I hope you will make more of those types of videos ^^
Love this, thank you! It might be helpful to see something like this where you're pausing and explaining your thought process throughout a longer/full game maybe against a harder AI. Alternatively casting a replay and explaining things that way might be good too. Thank you for sharing this!
Well done Winter, this intro to the concepts of the economy is just enough without being too much.
just the video i needed, thanks to you i will not see the sunlight for the next month
winter brother i'm loving BAR. Please keep bringing the content to the people.
Thanks for this, been playing the hell outta the game the past week. I'm sure there's things I'm missing.
Very helpful for a new player. Thank you for making this guide!
One thing that helped me a lot and I think you mention there, is the importance of Q. Many fights you can win by quickly assigning any unit of the same type for your frontline control group, since some figths you start in disadvantage, but by buying time, and getting stuff into position faster you can still win against someone that in paper has more than you
It's here! Thank you very much winter!
Very cool! I've been thinking about getting into BAR because of your videos --- really appreciate you making it easier for us noobs lol
YES! another WINTER vid. Pumping out vids like each day!
Awesome video, best breakdown of early game I've seen by far
Love that document. Thanks!
Thanks Winter, I was hoping you would make a beginners guide. Been having some trouble learning the basics.
Great info here. Just getting into this game and appreciate the guide!
I feel like your calling me out in the beginning XD thanks for showing me the game. Been having fun! Keep up the great work!
YES FINALLY! I LOVE YOU WINTER, THANKYOU!!!!
Please more of this, I'm a veteran of Total Anhilation 1997 lol but still need some guidance with the new game
YESSSSSS!!! Thank you!!!!! These guides don't exist man.
Thanks man, i really appreciate these uploads. I'm a bit of a boomer; i remember when command and conquer and StarCraft were brand new. These basic for dummies stuff is appreciated. Have a nice day, and ty 🙏🙏.
Ty winter, great for getting into the Game 👍 cya on twitch
Awesome vid! Thanks for making this. I would add in the description you're using the custom GRID menu with custom GRID shortcut-keys. New players using your shortcuts will be very surprised, since the default menu's/shortcuts are very different.
yeah how do i set that up?
That last question, I am truly a noob, but I noticed that once you select groups, it does show the different type of troops down below at the bottom of the screen. From there you could click one type of troop and then control + Z to select all of that one type. I just started playing this game, but I love the strategy it requires.
omg the video we've been all waiting for
Thank you, very good 101 for BAR !~!
Really nice guide, thank you!
Yay! Thank you winter
I needed this
Thank you for the early guide, Winter. Definitely will wait until you can proudly announce the guide for T2 portion of the game. I think most newbie (hopefully just not me) really struggles with T2 timing. As it take like 2-3 minute to build one T2 factory. Not counting the time to create T2 con, T2 mex, T2 def tower and then rebuilding the army with T2 army. And boom, mostly just lost because it's just too late.
Yeah I'm having the same problem really. I've been tiptoeing around really trying to get into the game (as i tend to do) but Im definitely hitting a bit of a wall when it comes to T2.
@@bigybop I think this Winter guide is working for me right now. Basically I just create 50-70 bot unit so I can have unit to attack and def, while the backline is macroing T2. My transition timing to T2 is definitely is better now. Before this, I only create like 20-30 bot unit, and then transition to T2. I think that is rushing too much, definitely doesn't have enough metal income yet.
Thanks for this
Ive been a long time player of BAR and before BAR BA, 15 years+, BA is the game BAR was built upon. thank you for playing and sharing this game to the masses and thank you for taking the time to explain some parts of this game to the newer players.
I don't know what BA stands for but the game is based off Total Annihilation. The units even have the same names.
@@Mr_Zod Balanced annihilation, the game BA was based on TA or AA or OTA, i dont know the exact history. but you are right, all these games originally stemmed from TA. names have changed in BAR. some names are the same but the names have been given to different units to try and avoid any possible trademark issues.
Good tutorial, thank you
great video! thanks a lot!
Good tutorial I didn't know those commands
Great video. It's good to see professional players humble themselves with how subtle and intricate this game is. I haven't played BAR (yet), but I've watched a lot of replays, and I did play a LOT of OTA back in the day, so if you don't mind I'd like to offer a few tips, in no particular order: Wind turbines will chain explode if placed in blocks that are at least 3 turbines on a side, e.g. 3×4 will chain, but 2×6 won't. Keeping your turbine blocks to 2×n will make them less vulnerable to attack, ensuring that your enemy has to work harder to cripple your energy economy. Otherwise you could just space out the turbines by two notches, but this takes up a lot of space and hinders the movement of units throughout your base. Keeping your turbines to narrow "Manhattan style" blocks will allow you have "streets" and "avenues" for general traffic. It's good to build at least 4-6 T1 converters before transitioning to T2. This will ensure that your wind farm spam won't cause you to waste energy, and thus lose potential metal income. Therefore, it is best to keep your energy supply hovering within the threshold between the maximum and when your converters turn off. It helps to reduce the converter on-off switch to about half of your energy supply, so as to compensate for wind fluctuations without leaving yourself vulnerable to energy lock, and to not risk wasting energy when construction slows down. A good rule of thumb is to only build the thing when you have enough metal in the tank to finish it. Basically, you should have the mindset that you're "prepaying" for the thing as you would in most other RTS's. This ensures that building the thing will not slow down your economy no matter how much build power you apply to it. As a consequence, the thing will build very quickly, but your metal supply will also deplete quickly, before then recovering and regaining a surplus to build the next thing. Hence why it is essential to build metal storage anytime your metal supply is creeping upwards. This also ties into how converters affect your economy: drawing energy to build a thing will turn off your converters, which will provide a hidden buffer to your energy supply, but will also reduce your metal income. Hence why it is so important to build only when you have enough metal in the tank: so that your reduced metal income doesn't result in metal lock that cripples your entire economy. Then, when it finishes being built and your converters turn back on, your metal income will recover at the maximum rate possible. This is also why it's important to have some idle workers: when you finally apply them to a project, they will build it quickly and then idle again, thus allowing your metal supply to recover. Good to note: a stationary, idle worker will automatically repair or reclaim anything within its range. Thus said Sun Tzu: If there were a gameplay loop to BAR's economy, it would be thus: if you're wasting energy, build energy storage and converters; if you're wasting metal, build metal storage and powerplants; if you're metal or energy locked, pause building and create a surplus; if you can't spend metal fast enough, build construction turrets; if you've stored metal and your energy is at the converter threshold, build an army; only set your factory to repeat if its cost per second is negated by your metal income per second.
Great video
Okay Winter... It's been 23 hours now... You've had plenty of time to master the next portion of the game since this video... Time to release PT2 please and thankyou
my team mates need this thanks lol
*Ones I found hard to remember:* Ctrl B selects through idle construction units (incl Commander)... Ctrl C selects and centres view on Commander... Ctrl Z selects all similar units on the map... Ctrl RightClick moves units at speed of slowest unit in selection
Ah, Ctrl+c That's the combo I've been looking for. Needing to center on commander he's been an itch I don't figured out how to scratch. Thank you
This game looks great, smooth and easy to unistall
Winter another verry verry usefull and cool hotkey, that i found out by purely common sense, and i'm really impressed, let's say your builder it's building a bunch of wind turbines, and you want your other builders to join him in his building spree and help :D so you shift alt space click on the builder that has the wind turbines in queue, and then they will all join his project
Omg Winter was talking about mee in the intro! How did he know!
High ranking bar player here, one thing to note is if you build 3 mexes, you will energy stall at the very last second, but a solar costs 0 energy so you can immediately build 1 solar with your buildpower. This is pretty standard on most maps where you dont need to worry too much about wind.
useful guide, ty
Love your little grumpy cat. Give me more BAR pls
Depends on the faction for one. Also, having flying constructors that can reach anywhere is a big advantage if you're into building defences. Though turtling is nerfed quite badly in BAR which is sad.
nice!
Been playing since shortly after you and Vaush's first video on BAR, love it, but don't yet understand all the units and I realize I still play way to greedy. Getting there, but this would have sped up the process if I watched it earlier. At least now I know how to do formations and more easily build groups of buildings
Thank you so much for these guides!! I'm really interested in getting into this game, but it has been a bit overwhelming @.@ One question I did have is, how did you queue up the tick/lazarus bots in the bot lab before it was done constructing? I couldn't seem to figure that out when I tried to play. Thanks again!!
Try just left click, Shift + left click, and Ctrl + left click to add 1, 5, or 10 to the queue
hold alt then left click to add a unit to the front of the build queue. it wont be put into the repeat queue, its just a one time build order that is put to the front of the queue
Grouping can feel overwhelming so I figured I’d post my method. In the case of 6 7 and 8 you are literally just having this to find units. Then you click them in the bottom left. I just click the group key on and off while zoomed out to find stuff. 9 and zero are my side mouse buttons. Groups 1 main line army 2 2nd line army, range, slow (snipers, fat boys, mortars) 3 air army 4 T3 5 pro 6 ground cons 7 air cons 8 find and use 9 9 scout, sprinters, as needed(flanks, flyers, bombers, hovers, etc) 0 reclaimers, butlers Ctrl ~ to unbind Alt ~ to un auto group Unbind and ungroup as needed Ex: ungroup ticks for tick spam Unbind Blinks from 9 for use Add unbound units to groups as needed and leave some unbound. Set unbounds to follow if needed. Unbound are as follows: Alt armies Sea (unless main) Hover( unless main) Alt factories ----- Here is an explanation of 8 and 9 8 is literally the “find it” Key. I will never command 8 as a whole Umbrella(anti nuke) Ghost(sneaky scout) Smuggler(jammer) Compass(radar) transport Air transport Air scout Air nukes (A lot of special air goes in 8) 9 Starts with ticks, they get unb when spam starts Find sprinters, scouts, and roller mines on 8
0:43 subscribe button was glowing when you said subscribe, wtf? thats new to me lol
"rts are hard and you actually didn't >play< a rts since... " that hit hard man. I played RTS like a madman... 10 years ago, I miss my old roommate that stomped me into the ground daily :)
How do you move with the camera? like zoom and tilt the camera to see it from profile for example? Thanks
Oh my god, just started this game a few days ago, I was getting lambasted today and I just realized I could have paused the game and re-group 😫 but instead i blew up.
Possibly look at Vehicle builds and optimized use? Armada t1 med tanks get rolled by cortex
I play supreme commander. Is there a way to see the rate metal and energy are used when producing something in BAR too, as opposed to just the total metal and energy cost?
I had a build order in COD Red alert and Toal Annialation, Warcaft. Dose this game have maps that consist of islands? I see that geo thermal is still great.
Winter: "DO NOT BUILD AIRCRAFT....." ME: Builds aircraft first in EVERY multiplayer game just because....
Winter, please tell me how you select all nuke silo's and fire your nukes without them all landing in the same location?! Thanks and love from Scotland!
One thing that confused me when playing is what things take energy besides building. I've gathered that there is upkeep on certain buildings when toggled on, and cloaking. It seems some types of weapons also take energy to fire? It was unclear to me in game which ones this was. I'm assuming all laser/plasma/tachyon? Hard to find documented how much it takes but I assume its part of the UI in some obscure way. I hope there's a big UI update soon! Honestly one of the main things holding it back
Hover over the unit or building in question, tool-tip tells you, example long range plasma cannon is 1500 per shot
Personaly I rather like building an aircraft Plant and building scouts and placing them on a map long patrol along the front. They provide info and LoS that can really help. Mix in a fighter or a gunship every 5 or so as the game goes on and leave it. This works particularly well vs the AI but can really trip up players if you find a vulnerable stack of generators to throw 2-3 gunships into. Just don't expect much beyond vision or lean into heavy production.
This game fulfills my desire to build the best fort ever. Just like dad tried to do... before grandpa had his accident
Yahhhhh winter guids for the win! For ress bot, commander or building units, you can just F move, and they will claim everything in their path, easier then making a area. Damm, the center of the map is a skull hahaha
Do you have a guide that shows the fastest way to build big economy in 8v8 when you are the techer and dont need to think about the enemy for 10-15mins. Could you make one if you dont have it yet
Super informative. I just discovered this game. I use to play a lot TA. You have a good voice, but since you move your head constantly, volume is going up and down..., a bit distracting. Putting your mic a couple inch away would help. If you fear losing low end you can add bit in Obs or voice meter. Just saying. Thank you.
As someone who played a ton of FAF, going mex first and factory last felt so unbelievably cursed
"I want to be just like Winter, let's play BAR" "Winter is only 20 something TS, I'm going to make planes first because surely that's the mistake he's making"
actually don't like winter build order here but very useful information that i didn't know. Basically which do you go solar vs wind turbine? Basically we can look at the pros and cons of which that solar collector cost 155 metal and 0 solar to build. Wind Turbine cost like 42 metal and i forgot something 150 solar. You can build about 4 wind turbine to 1 solar collector. The positive of build solar collector is that it always gives 20 energy, cost only metal and the negative being that it cost alot of metal because early game since most game the people make are default with starting of 1,000 metal and solar energy. Wind Turbine positive is that it cost less metal and that if you can get 10+ wind speed, it is worth to build but the negative being it cost time to build that you could be building something else and the wind changes alot so look at the wind speed. Which faction to choose cortex vs armanda? Basically like winter says it basically the same for the most part but the big difference is that cortex units basically cost more, do more damage and have more range. So basically your choosing armanda(zerg) vs cortex(protoss). In my opinion, cortex bot lab is better than armanda and that armanda vechile are better than cortex. My build order is - 3 Metal Extractor -3 Solar Energy or 4 Wind Turbine -Vehicle Plant (Build 1 Constructor and 5 Blitz and put on repeat and then eventually transition into Stouts build how many constructors you want and stop when you want probably 10) -Build a Sentry in the middle of your production to counter early units such as ticks or even rover to shoo away early scouting units -Build a radar tower from here you can basically do whatever Generally you want -1 constructor to continuously build wind turbine or solar collector - Search for Mex -Push up your commander -Don't be afraid to raid your enemies as they rarely build defense towers -Increase your energy storage -Build energy convertors when you have alot of solar -Tier 1 Bot plant or vehicle plant only requires 3 construction turret to produce units fast when you have the resources -Build anti-air Turret just in case -Transitioning into Tier 2 is hard because you have to save up some resources FYI - vehicle constructor are kind more clunky and tend to boggle each other up compared to bot constructor since they are smaller - vehicle do suffer from climbing uphill so watch out for that - vehicle in general do counter bot lab
amen! hahaha... So true intro.
How do you auto hotkey units like pawns you produced?
THank you!!!! bUild order WAS ALLL WRONG T-T
How do you set your color when setting up game?
Angry coach BAR edition? Sign me the fuk up
Next Guid How to counter T3 Cortex as Armada 👍
T2 gunship aircraft, lots of them, until you get to T3 yourself.
This was very helpful, could you make a middle game guide for noobs?
My favourite strats: Mex Mex solar Mex solar solar solar estor aircraft solar solar solar 5*bomber. Do bombing while reclaim and switch tech. It's effective but not ez for beginner to pull off.
Saw this video Queued up vs 1 hard ai confidentally Lost very hard Waiting for part 2 guide 😂
Wintergaming is a legend
What radar tower is used for?
Is this Supreme Commander? This totally looks like Supreme Commander. Gotta try this one
It's very reminiscent of SupCom & SupCom Forged Alliance, in all the best ways. 👍
Fun Fact Winter. Decoy Commanders have the same amount of build power as the actual commander. Are they expensive? Yeah. Sure. But how else are you going to get 200 build power on legs?
Game is good, team games are great especially compared to other games team games imo
Is their a ranking system?
Grid keys, because if you aren't used to a different way it's the most efficient and obvious.
place this on the website! theres so little content like this!
In SupCom you build tons of engineers to increase your build powers or spam factories When I build more than 1 factory the tutorial complains it is ineffective. But then how do I increase the build power ? Building an engineer takes forever, and I assume build power turrets aren't efficient because they're more expensive.
How do you upgrade tiers
I know it's for beginners but good habits are better to build early. Massing Pawns until 10 minutes into the game is going to get you killed very quickly by anybody paying attention. Each unit itself has a role. - Pawns get eaten easily but are fast and destroy eco very well - Maces are more tanky than speedy A solid choice to hold the line. - Centurions will help with swarms of pawns/grunts all day. See turrets? Get rocketeers. See planes and nobody building fighters? Get a few crossbows. Responding to what's going on is more important than any build order. For coretex players the T1 bots... - Grunts can outrange/outrun pawns with micromanagement they can demolish pawns easily. They're very fragile though. -Thugs are centurions with 10% more hitpoints -Trasher = Crossbow -Aggravator = Rocketeer but cheaper and has more hp
People hype bar. Did you know about planetary annihilation zerok etc? Been there for years
Can you make a tutorial for people who barely know how to work a keyboard? I only ask because I feel like you went over the keys a little to fast, at least for me lol 😅