Edward Gibson: Human Language, Psycholinguistics, Syntax, Grammar & LLMs | Lex Fridman Podcast

2024 ж. 15 Мам.
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Edward Gibson is a psycholinguistics professor at MIT and heads the MIT Language Lab. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
1:13 - Human language
5:19 - Generalizations in language
11:06 - Dependency grammar
21:05 - Morphology
29:40 - Evolution of languages
33:00 - Noam Chomsky
1:17:06 - Thinking and language
1:30:36 - LLMs
1:43:35 - Center embedding
2:10:02 - Learning a new language
2:13:54 - Nature vs nurture
2:20:30 - Culture and language
2:34:58 - Universal language
2:39:21 - Language translation
2:42:36 - Animal communication
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  • Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. Transcript: lexfridman.com/edward-gibson-transcript 0:00 - Introduction & sponsor mentions: - Yahoo Finance: yahoofinance.com - Listening: listening.com/lex and use code LEX to get one month free - Policygenius: policygenius.com/lex - Shopify: shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial - Eight Sleep: eightsleep.com/lex to get special savings 1:13 - Human language 5:19 - Generalizations in language 11:06 - Dependency grammar 21:05 - Morphology 29:40 - Evolution of languages 33:00 - Noam Chomsky 1:17:06 - Thinking and language 1:30:36 - LLMs 1:43:35 - Center embedding 2:10:02 - Learning a new language 2:13:54 - Nature vs nurture 2:20:30 - Culture and language 2:34:58 - Universal language 2:39:21 - Language translation 2:42:36 - Animal communication

    @lexfridman@lexfridman28 күн бұрын
    • GOD BLESS YOU

      @MUSTAFADINCER-ek7tp@MUSTAFADINCER-ek7tp28 күн бұрын
    • Tabla Indian🇮🇳⁉️ instrumental crypto language incredible⁉️⁉️⁉️ who invented tabla language code Alien language ⁉️⁉️🇮🇳

      @mayukhpurkayastha2649@mayukhpurkayastha264928 күн бұрын
    • I draw perfectly sideways automatically and I resolve P=NP with it - because I don't know what I'm drawing - it's an NP simulaiton - I think I'm drawing pseudorandom lines - try it and see if you get a perfectly sideways even styled transposed illustration you didn't know you could draw at all - not even in your regular drawing perspective. It's interesting. It involves mental rotation tasks - look that up in psych papers - men and even baby boys are allegedly the best at it - I'm the best at it.

      @savantofillusions@savantofillusions28 күн бұрын
    • Totally nerding out on Language. I loved it, Lex, thanks.

      @Ottee2@Ottee228 күн бұрын
    • I can fix it! 🎬

      @ExecutiveZombie@ExecutiveZombie28 күн бұрын
  • I had a serious stroke in 2006. I spoke English, German, Spanish, and Japanese prior to that. Then, after the stroke I could barely speak English. My doctor, Jonathan Rosand ❤ at Mass General Hospital, told me you can get more back than you think if you only ask your brain to do it. I took his word and began the process of getting them back. I started with German. The footpath to my German became a super highway 6 years later on a 2 week trip to Germany. This encouraged me to go get my Spanish back. Two years of DuoLingo and a Trip to Peru, and BAM! Got that one back too. I have now been studying Japanese on DuoLingo for 1447 days and will go to Japan in November. I am thrilled to say that I now read Japanese better than when I lived there 30 years ago for 2 1/2 years! Never EVER underestimate the plasticity of the brain! It can overcome some serious stuff! This podcast underlines that point! ❤

    @markmeachen6927@markmeachen692714 күн бұрын
    • Great story

      @vusi.mbili86@vusi.mbili868 күн бұрын
    • hell yeah, this is an amazing story. I am glad you are doing well after your stroke and congratulations in recapitulating your polyglot abilities :)

      @danielpintard7382@danielpintard738217 сағат бұрын
  • Man the study of language is underated imo

    @dizorri@dizorri28 күн бұрын
    • Isn't it wild how this happened. The old adage the Sandler has torn sandals. Tucker Carlson doesn't own a TV I just learned...lol

      @B.-gb2sh@B.-gb2sh23 күн бұрын
    • The language area in the brain is separate from that of thinking doesn’t mean language is not critical to thought, nor language development doesn’t contribute to thinking capabilities.

      @taijistar9052@taijistar90523 күн бұрын
  • The bombshell of this episode is that neither of them have an inner monologue. And Lex doesn't think that's odd 😂

    @seionne85@seionne8528 күн бұрын
    • Ooh I haven't made it that far yet, that's interesting! I can't even wrap my head around what it would be like without it. Uncomfortably silent? Lol 😂😅

      @adversaryproductions5298@adversaryproductions529828 күн бұрын
    • For real XD

      @ac4694@ac469428 күн бұрын
    • Same

      @CoachEnrrique5@CoachEnrrique528 күн бұрын
    • Agree 🤯

      @sunshine6616love@sunshine6616love28 күн бұрын
    • If a person does not have an internal monologue he thinks in images right?

      @JudicialMaxim@JudicialMaxim28 күн бұрын
  • I just smile from the excitement which with this guy talks about language, i'm not even intrested in languages

    @elc248@elc24828 күн бұрын
  • i just love listenting to someone you really can tell absolutely loves what hes talking about

    @niklas5547@niklas554728 күн бұрын
  • If every teacher i had in high school and college would have been half as passionate about the subject as Mr. Gibson is about language, school would have actually been fun. 😮

    @dansfishing@dansfishing28 күн бұрын
    • only a fool can ask for "passion" as an attribute, passion is something that has value only when you have previously achieved many other things such as integrity, discipline, experience, vision, clarity, etc. otherwise your passion is worth less than excrement

      @mrc3ln@mrc3ln24 күн бұрын
    • If all teachers had a based salary of 100K, passion would araise among them. ❤

      @franciscomedinav@franciscomedinav20 күн бұрын
  • The guests make me want to change my areas of study! Life is too short and there is so little time to devote to goals and there are too many wonderful domains to dig into. 😩

    @dannycollins5698@dannycollins569828 күн бұрын
  • I urge everyone to learn a language. As a German speaker, learning English opened up the entire world for me, Spanish helped me understand a whole continent, Japanese lets me understand so many media I enjoy... I can't get enough, it's so much fun, inexpensive and stays with you, no matter how hard life gets. Plus, the more rare the language you learn is, the bigger the smile once a person from that country realizes you took the time to learn it.

    @thejuiceweasel@thejuiceweasel27 күн бұрын
    • Agreed. I took 2 years of Latin in HS, 1 year of Portuguese, and 3 years of Spanish. It taught me etymology, syntax, and patience with people. It later helped me work with non verbal Portuguese and Spanish students with autism. Comes in handy and is a good conversation starter in school systems like where I work

      @567Kriss@567Kriss27 күн бұрын
    • How do you learn - what's your tool of choice?

      @chriss740@chriss74010 күн бұрын
    • @@chriss740 friends in your age, learning style, and what you'll be part of later .

      @567Kriss@567Kriss9 күн бұрын
  • ❤ I'm just 6 minutes into this conversation, but am already so excited that i wanted to comment immediately. I'm an English teacher and these are the things i obsess over. Thank you to both of you ❤❤

    @hello-mynameis@hello-mynameis28 күн бұрын
    • The kid who ate the one marshmallow

      @pillarheights1130@pillarheights113027 күн бұрын
  • This was sooo much more interesting than I had anticipated. Excellent guest

    @seionne85@seionne8528 күн бұрын
  • Thank you, Lex and Professor Gibson. It is not often that an entire podcast episode speaks "my language."😊

    @RT-bc8lr@RT-bc8lr27 күн бұрын
  • My favorite part about watching lex is that he is so smart he is able to take what someone else is talking about, that is way over my head head, and dumb it down to something I feel like I sort of understand.

    @nicholascorley7573@nicholascorley757328 күн бұрын
    • You are right and he also seems to ask the most interesting relevant g e r m a n e questions

      @Iambriangregory@Iambriangregory22 күн бұрын
    • I think the beauty of Lex is that he is willing to ask basic questions, and keep returning to them if he doesn't 'get it'. There were so many questions Lex asked that were exactly the questions I had, and I was so appreciative of him not letting go. Not really basic questions, but questions others might feel too embarrassed or intimidated to ask. That's why he's my favorite interviewer.

      @chriss740@chriss74010 күн бұрын
  • Take an inner dialogue poll, Lex! Thanks for the language episode! I hoped there would be more digging into how language shapes the fundamental architecture of thought. Take nouns. Nouns refer to objects, for instance a ball. Think of a ball, is it solid? Is it static? Is it absolute? In your mind it probably is. Even if the ball is bouncing or spinning, itself is a ball as you know it. But in reality, the ball is a process. Electrons are humming within, light is reflecting from its surface, its elements are decaying. The ball is a process, a verb in reality, its more so a "balling" if you will. We need a way to refer to specific snapshots or states, so nouns are necessary. But its easy to see how language influences thought.

    @zeshwonsos@zeshwonsos27 күн бұрын
    • Oooo you’ve just blown my mind a bit!

      @Ditto463@Ditto46327 күн бұрын
  • I just got off sam altman's vid and theres a brand new one. Talk about fortuitous timing. Keep up the grind Lex we're loving the content.

    @DhruvaDevOnline@DhruvaDevOnline28 күн бұрын
    • We?

      @pillarheights1130@pillarheights113027 күн бұрын
  • This podcast is a goldmine of insightful conversations! Each episode feels like diving into a pool of knowledge, with engaging hosts who know how to keep you hooked from start to finish. Highly recommend for anyone seeking thought-provoking content! ❤

    @TowardGuidance@TowardGuidance28 күн бұрын
    • Now, now. I like Lex, but let's not get overboard. He's great when he has a good guest, not so much when he has just another joker from the Rogan universe.

      @KippGenerator@KippGenerator28 күн бұрын
  • I loved linguistics so much in college that I ended up doing a whole extra major in it. It's great to see Lex finally discovering some of the fascinating and mind-blowing concepts in linguistics.

    @magellanicspaceclouds@magellanicspaceclouds25 күн бұрын
  • My brain just exploded! KABOOOM... I have no words to describe how fascinating to learn how languages evolved into this tangled web of different dialects we use in our communication to bring meaning into this world with one another. Ed's a pretty cool dude!

    @kimfreesland2647@kimfreesland264727 күн бұрын
  • Nerd feasting. First Rogan has Gram & Dibble now Lex has Gibson! What a week!

    @Peterwbsf1@Peterwbsf127 күн бұрын
  • Another conversation only Lex could've pulled off. Enjoyed the enthusiasm of the conversation. The topic is quite interesting and thought provoking

    @OdwallaJuice.@OdwallaJuice.26 күн бұрын
  • As always, just a thank you. You always do it right, Lex. Elegance, intelligence, class, and a sprinkle of badazz. Cheers to you and your journey.

    @newbeartrucks4422@newbeartrucks442228 күн бұрын
  • When I first saw the title I thought it would be a boring conversation. But after skipping it and then returning back to it I found it quite interesting. Perhaps because I can better understand it for it to be interesting (rather than something that is esoteric and unique but is too difficult to understand that I can’t get invested in). Well done Lex and Ed! :)

    @featherfiend9095@featherfiend909526 күн бұрын
  • I've listened to a lot of Lex interviews, but this was one of the best! I had absolutely no idea what to expect, and can't begin to explain why this was such an enjoyable experience, but it was! I don't think I've ever heard Lex be so engaged with his subject. I listened to the full 3 hours twice in a row, and could listen to it again. And he didn't even touch on things like Google Translate, coping with deafness, and more. Please bring him back for another session! The idea that 'thought' is different from 'language' is very fascinating; I would love to hear a much more in-depth analysis of that.

    @chriss740@chriss74010 күн бұрын
  • The fact that he said "engineering perspective" that early in the show means they are destined to be best friends.

    @johnthicks8568@johnthicks856828 күн бұрын
  • From a psycholinguist listener, thanks for this, Lex!

    @philliphamrick9883@philliphamrick988328 күн бұрын
  • In (old) Hampshire "Aught I?" And "Aughtn't I?" _Are_ both perfectly acceptable (formal/class dependent) forms (Winchester, etc.)

    @TheYahmez@TheYahmez28 күн бұрын
    • ol' Hampshire

      @maxwarboy3625@maxwarboy362516 күн бұрын
    • @@maxwarboy3625 no, just; 'ampshire. 😜

      @TheYahmez@TheYahmez16 күн бұрын
  • Watching Lex get flustered over the internal monolog thing was great. I went through the same range of emotions when i first heard some people don't hear themselves think.

    @jasonhargis5598@jasonhargis559828 күн бұрын
    • So they just pay attention to emotions then? My thoughts tend to create my emotions.

      @kj5250@kj525028 күн бұрын
    • Are thoughts called inner monologue?

      @kj5250@kj525028 күн бұрын
  • Thank you @lex for this opportunity to learn from the awesome Dr Gibson. This should be one of the top podcasts. Thank you both of you.

    @granand@granand25 күн бұрын
  • I love this episode! My undergraduate degree was in linguistics, and while I didn't find a way to make a career out of it, I never stopped loving to learn about language. My favorite part about my coursework was that it was like solving word puzzles in a scientific or mathematical way. Thank you for the great listen!

    @redwoodelf5678@redwoodelf567828 күн бұрын
  • If anyone likes fiction novels with very decadent language, pick up Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon. It’s like your eyes are eating dessert.

    @ew2645@ew264528 күн бұрын
  • Thanks for this conversation, Lex. I've always been fascinated by the development and use of languages.

    @sandrawilliams4874@sandrawilliams487428 күн бұрын
  • Lex- “Who does he think he is?” Edward- “Are you thinking out-loud about me?” Lex- “No, I was talking about myself in third person.”

    @user-cy7qy7wq7x@user-cy7qy7wq7x28 күн бұрын
  • I feel smarter every time I listen to a Lex Fridman podcast.

    @AndiAlexander1@AndiAlexander128 күн бұрын
    • lexicon fridgeman

      @maxwarboy3625@maxwarboy362516 күн бұрын
  • Today I learned, center embedding makes sentences harder to understand. I guess I knew that subconsciously, but it never occurred to me that I should avoid it if possible when writing text.

    @DiogoVKersting@DiogoVKersting28 күн бұрын
    • No, you do not have to avoid it. His point was that if it was not fixed by so called distance rules that it would be and he claims it is whereas Comsky claims the rules must be in the brain because a child can figure it out easily which would be very difficult to programmatically calculate. Chomsky is obviously correct because a child easily figure it out. So relax and speak the way you want to speak. Your brain "knows" what to do do, linguistics is interesting but not needed to learn how to speak correctly. Most people soon forget al the grammer and terminology they learned at school and a hell of a lot we learned was simply incorrect. Relax. You are quite capable of winging it.

      @reallynow6276@reallynow627626 күн бұрын
    • @@reallynow6276 In most spoken contexts just winging it is just fine. But in writing, there's plenty of room to "craft" text, not only to make it easier to understand, but to make sure it's precise and it's conveying the intended intended message. You can also tailor the text to the intended audience and make sure the text is not "too dense". So, absolutely you can use your conscious mind to make better text. Even in speech, there's plenty of room to practice being a good communicator. For example, don't speak too fast, don't use a ton of jargon to a layman, but do with an expert. Double check not only that the receiver received the message, but also that they have the appropriate context to interpret it. Try to err on the side of being explicit and unambiguous. So, one of the advices in being a better communicator is the advice to make sure to not use center embedding if it will hurt comprehensibility.

      @DiogoVKersting@DiogoVKersting25 күн бұрын
    • ​@@reallynow6276lmao, your answer is the perfect example of something that is hard to understand because of long distance and center embedding :D

      @F1zZy@F1zZy23 күн бұрын
    • This illustrates why center embedding is hard to process: we can say "The rat ate the malt"--no problem. We can add a clause inside and get "The rat the cat killed ate the malt" and understand it again without a problem. However, further center-embedding is where our brains give up: "The rat the cat the dog chased killed ate the malt."

      @zhwancardin5449@zhwancardin544919 күн бұрын
    • @@reallynow6276 For clarity of expression, you should avoid too much center-embedding as my example above illustrates. And the question raised did not have to do with learning how to speak correctly; it was exploring the nature of the language ability and why certain constraints on possible or preferred constructions exist.

      @zhwancardin5449@zhwancardin544919 күн бұрын
  • Fascinating...for the first 30 minutes, then it was over my head. But that 30 minutes was worth the price of admission. Great interview with an amazing guest. Thanks.

    @kayeninetwo3585@kayeninetwo3585Күн бұрын
  • I too love a bunch of formal language theory, Lex. Good stuff, Edward!

    @adamwhitehurst@adamwhitehurst28 күн бұрын
  • I have an inner voice but it's not like I'm hearing someone talking to me. It's me talking in my thoughts, without using my tongue and air. This is something that any person in the world does, including you Edward Gibson.

    @spring9603@spring960325 күн бұрын
  • Fascinating subject! "The difference between humans and chimpanzees is our sophisticated language." - Jane Goodall. Perhaps, when forms and meanings work together, there's poetry. Thank you both for this great conversation and learning.

    @idatong976@idatong97628 күн бұрын
    • actually it is our intelligence on a much broader level, which encompasses language but also many other things - e.g. building and wielding powerful objects such as tools which help us to build, extract minerals and fight, transport infrastructure, sewage systems, our ability to use fire to cook and many other factors beyond solely sophisticated language. It's definitely a notable one though

      @sideman4501@sideman450128 күн бұрын
    • Idaong. That second last sentence of yours an AI will never be able to understand. That is clearly a human speaking with insight in the human mind.

      @reallynow6276@reallynow627626 күн бұрын
  • I love how lex refers to himself as a “layman” while clearly having a better grasp on most topics than anyone else that would give themselves that moniker.

    @adamannala5498@adamannala549821 күн бұрын
  • This video is like a warm hug for the soul. It's a testament to the positive impact content creators can have on their audience.

    @BUY_YOUTUB_VIEWS_286@BUY_YOUTUB_VIEWS_28628 күн бұрын
    • I thought it was boring

      @thesponge836@thesponge83627 күн бұрын
  • *Words with venom. Words that bind. Words used like weapons to cloud my mind*

    @MajinBLJ@MajinBLJ28 күн бұрын
    • I’m a person. I’m a man. But no matter how I try, people just say hey…

      @Thecrucialdruggy@Thecrucialdruggy28 күн бұрын
    • Respect ✊✌

      @user-rz8ld7iq8h@user-rz8ld7iq8h28 күн бұрын
    • I'm a horsey, I like to play, why do these humans keep feeding me hay?

      @thereallablog@thereallablog27 күн бұрын
    • @@thereallablog feeding you hay? Their feeding us hey, Not hello, because in the mind me must knot hello, to understand the mask of the spelling be is competition.

      @Thecrucialdruggy@Thecrucialdruggy27 күн бұрын
  • Amazing interview. Lex asks all the right questions. Dependency grammar is fascinating.

    @simbarachekondagona3200@simbarachekondagona320025 күн бұрын
  • I love episodes like these. I hope you continue to find people with interesting niche expertise like this.

    @tezromania@tezromania24 күн бұрын
  • Love seeing “I Am That” in the background.

    @trippstreehouse@trippstreehouse26 күн бұрын
    • Me too 🥰

      @maggiey2671@maggiey267123 күн бұрын
  • Regarding language learning, let's take my son as an example. He's originally Ukrainian but was born and lives in Italy. At 14, he fluently speaks Ukrainian, Russian, and Italian, while his English proficiency is currently at A2 level. He's currently attending Cambridge courses to reach B1 level. He frequently watches KZhead videos in English, which helps him understand the language better. What's amusing is that we never formally taught him how to read and write in Ukrainian and Russian. One day, when he was 6 years old, he spontaneously asked us about all the letters on the keyboard. That's all now he can read in Russian and Ukrainian, albeit slowly compared to Italian and English. This illustrates that if you truly desire something, you'll achieve it, but if you're only doing it out of obligation, it will likely become tedious.

    @marinafraint2143@marinafraint214326 күн бұрын
  • Awesome guest ❤

    @Dillon-F@Dillon-F28 күн бұрын
  • Tons of thank you Lex. This is the most fascinating interview I ever watched.

    @riadhalrabeh3783@riadhalrabeh378325 күн бұрын
  • As a Finn, I just waited how long it takes for them to mention our crazy language. (It was less than 30 minutes. Torille!) Learning english as a kid was a revelation about how different languages actually work. Yet people everywhere still speak the same stuff, no matter the language.

    @VengasahoArt@VengasahoArt27 күн бұрын
  • Fascinating interview Lex. Another great job.

    @9deltan9ne@9deltan9ne28 күн бұрын
  • Spain has a huge tradition on grammar. We study those trees in secondary school for years

    @EduNauram@EduNauram27 күн бұрын
  • Phenomenal podcast Lex. Good work, Well done❤

    @Beautyargentina6@Beautyargentina628 күн бұрын
  • Discussion on dependency length was particularly interesting, with possible connections to what LLMs are doing.

    @kenmogibrainworld4844@kenmogibrainworld484417 күн бұрын
  • Thank you for doing what you do Lex!

    @ProfoundPodcasts@ProfoundPodcasts28 күн бұрын
  • Your conversation was pleasant, thank you both.

    @yvesblau@yvesblau25 күн бұрын
  • Love this pod, love that you have such a wide variety scope.

    @RurouniKenshinShinta@RurouniKenshinShinta28 күн бұрын
  • This is my favorite podcast that you have done. It was so interesting and lively.

    @giambini1969@giambini196923 күн бұрын
  • Wouldn't have clicked on this one but autoplay put it on and it's surprisingly interesting.

    @Artcore103@Artcore10327 күн бұрын
  • Back to my favorite kind of Lex. High-grade intellectual enjoyment.

    @FedericoPalma@FedericoPalma22 күн бұрын
  • Really enjoyed conversation, really fascinating

    @keeganretzlaff6582@keeganretzlaff658228 күн бұрын
  • It is fun watching Lex not quite knowing what to do with this information. Very interesting talk. My mind is blown as well.

    @mrklewis@mrklewis19 күн бұрын
  • Fantastic guest. More like this please !

    @jrussino@jrussino28 күн бұрын
  • Does Lex' thought at minute 1:26:31 also relate to Saussure's theory about the signified and the signifier? (see Semiotics - "Course in General Linguistics")

    @susi725@susi72524 күн бұрын
  • Fascinating conversation on linguistics Thanks!

    @user-kp7xg1yi6k@user-kp7xg1yi6k24 күн бұрын
  • The part of this video where the topic of thoughts not being done or composed in the form of language, led me to think of how, Jung, imbedded in me the idea that thoughts communicate or present themselves in/as symbols. If that’s true, then I suppose we translate the symbol into language in order to simplify, asset and assign meaning.

    @DriftwoodLot@DriftwoodLot25 күн бұрын
  • Fascinating conversation!

    @michellesummers1010@michellesummers101027 күн бұрын
  • Thnx lex. I dreamed about the episode on linguistics

    @alfredgaczynski8580@alfredgaczynski858028 күн бұрын
  • I had no idea that some people don't have an "inner voice". My understanding of how my "inner voice" functions is that it is a process associated with the Supramarginal Gyrus, Angular Gyrus, and Broca's area where concepts are assembled into language prior to being expressed verbally. It often feels like /speaking/ internally more than it feels like /hearing/ thoughts internally. I don't find it to be distracting because it is something done intentionally and so it isn't intrusive. Musicians for example might think about how they want a piece of music to be heard and will be able to percieve internally what they want it to sound like before attempting to perform the reproduction of the musical concept; Whereas hearing an "inner voice" feels more like trying to remember what a piece of music sounds like, or remembering what someone said and how it sounded. There is probably cognitive overhead with having that sort of process adaptation but it is very useful for thinking about things and sythesizing concepts solo. I imagine that most comedians posess a fairly active inner voice; being able to consider their own stream of consciousness, the audience's experience, and comedic timing. "One of the ways to reincarnate is to tell your story". - Spalding Gray

    @Livin-In-a-Box@Livin-In-a-Box4 күн бұрын
  • great convo. I love lang research. very fun interview !

    @user-dt1ul5kx8n@user-dt1ul5kx8n27 күн бұрын
  • This is going to be amazing.

    @JimBobsBass@JimBobsBass28 күн бұрын
  • This is what GPT 4 replied: This is a classic example of what is known as the Monty Hall problem. If you know the car is behind Door A, and you've chosen Door A, then there's no benefit in switching since your initial choice was based on certain knowledge. However, if you initially didn't know where the car was and were just guessing, the problem suggests you should switch after one of the other doors is revealed to have junk behind it because switching doors actually increases your chances of winning the car from 1/3 to 2/3. But since in your scenario you state that you know the car is behind Door A, stick with your initial choice.

    @ashutoshnirala2565@ashutoshnirala256528 күн бұрын
  • Hey Lex, I've been enjoying your conversations on your podcast! I think it would be fascinating to see you chat with Two Minute Papers. His insights into research and new papers would mesh well with your discussions.

    @timkamer1518@timkamer151828 күн бұрын
  • Just listen to 90% of people under 30. Most of the language used is on a broken, low level, underdeveloped scale now. Its almost as if it is devolved into something more crude than anything spoken/written in any other time. Songs, poetry, speeches, debates, are all pretty elementary in today's culture. I hope it becomes trendy again to learn a wide range vocabulary. Great interview. Thank you

    @mikem6009@mikem600927 күн бұрын
    • Yes. I refer to it as “text to talk”

      @indicamanitahallusativa8534@indicamanitahallusativa853427 күн бұрын
    • Yes. There is a strong emphasis on concision. People want easy answers and summeries. It drives me crazy when people say you expand too much but do not actually focus on the line of argument and then insist on a summery as though that would clarify the content. There is no shortcut to knowledge, is what I want to say then, but I let it go because it wil go nowhere. We lost the book, we lost interest.

      @reallynow6276@reallynow627626 күн бұрын
  • Claude Opus gets the Monty Hall problem mentioned around 1:38:00 correct when you say that know that the prize is behind door 1. OpenAI gets this wrong (at least in v3.5 and 4). Here's the correct answer from Claude Opus: Q/ I am on a game show and there are three doors. I know that the prize is behind door 1, and I chose that door. The host opened door number 3, and behind it was a junk prize. Now I'm given the option to switch to door number 2. Should I switch or should I stay with door number 1? Claude Opus R/ In this specific scenario, you should stay with your original choice of door number 1. Here's why: 1. You already know that the prize is behind door 1, which you initially chose. 2. The host opened door number 3, revealing a junk prize, but this action does not affect the probability of the prize being behind door 1 or door 2. 3. Since you are certain that the prize is behind door 1, switching to door 2 would guarantee that you lose the prize. This situation is different from the famous Monty Hall problem, where the contestant does not know which door holds the prize, and the host always opens a door with a non-prize item, giving the contestant the option to switch. In that case, switching doors would increase the probability of winning. However, in your scenario, since you already know the prize is behind your initially chosen door, staying with your original choice is the best decision.

    @rapier8886@rapier888621 сағат бұрын
  • I actually found a post about people who can think in two languages, mostly europeans, this was great, because I think in two languages as well, and just took that for granted, until a forein student learning to speak english, asked me: when do you know that you are fluent? I tought about that and this is what I came up with: I learned to speak 3 languages before I was 10 years old, and don't know how. Italian first, at home, went to French at school, but was surrounded by the English culture, because we lived in the Ottawa region, which shares a border with French Quebec. My Englilsh was really good, but not as good as my French. I was thinking in French, and then translated my thinking into English. It wasen't until I was about 19, and had spent a couple of years speaking nothing but English, that I woke up in the middle of the night from a nightmare in English, that I realised that I could think in both languages. This was very exciting at the time, forgot all about the nightmare, and started playing with the ability. It is good to know, that not everybody, who can think in two languages, did not wake up from a nightmare to find that out. But if you can dream (or day dream) in an other language, you are fluent in both. By the way, I do hot hear a voice in my head when I think either, it feels more that thinking is separate from speach. Maybe because I had to translate at such a young age. For example, it is much easier to understand reading and writing in a second language, than to actually speak it. I know that from sending my kids to French immersion school, from forming early language formation in English. All immersion students read and write and understand French better than they can speak it. What I call usage, (frequency of word use as you put it) is key to ability to speak a language well. After spending only 2 weeks in small town Quebec, in a student family exchange program, the children could speak much more fluently, than previously. Thank you for increasing my understanding as to why this is, it was great to hear about what happens in your brain, when you go from thinking to speaking!

    @umasordini9843@umasordini984328 күн бұрын
    • You are saying you think in two languages, but what I got from the podcast was that thought is not related to language. I'd love to hear a deeper analysis of this. I can imagine that thought is a language-independent abstraction, which then gets converted in to language before use. But I also feel like I 'think with words' so I don't really understand what the linguist was saying in the podcast.

      @chriss740@chriss74010 күн бұрын
    • @@chriss740 A deeper analysis of this would require a book! In short, from observing my children develop language, my sense of this is that children first learn facial expressions, then one syllable for everything, and then 2 syllables when they start making distictions, such as mama, dada, baba, yayo etc. When they learn a new word, they use it for everything, until they are comfortable with it's use or meaning. In short, my guess is that they experience, feel or read body language to get to menaning, rather than use words to think. In that sense, language could be an abstraction of experience.

      @umasordini9843@umasordini98437 күн бұрын
  • Amazing Guest!!! Amazing Topic!!! I Love Languages!!! I Only Speak 7...

    @andysenadbajric@andysenadbajric27 күн бұрын
  • lex you’re always giving us wisdom and great knowledge, i appreciate you deeply

    @izzysyoutubeig@izzysyoutubeig28 күн бұрын
  • Is Monty Hall concept related to a 'problem' that has something to do with an 'infinite hotel'? (Vertical possibly?) I may be recalling this incorrectly, would appreciate any available references to related material! Thanks

    @anewagain9087@anewagain90877 күн бұрын
  • Love this Lex! I have been trying to relay this info as an activist for so many years

    @kellyannewolfe5870@kellyannewolfe587023 күн бұрын
    • A linguistics activist?

      @jugo1944@jugo194410 күн бұрын
  • Lex Fridman’s comment section always make my day a little brighter

    @SuPaMaNallday@SuPaMaNallday23 күн бұрын
  • Fascinating. I highly recommend reading the linguist Robert Bringhurst and particularly his Language Poem.

    @johncleasby3537@johncleasby353726 күн бұрын
  • It would be interesting to have John McWhorter on as a follow up to this.

    @showingpig01@showingpig0127 күн бұрын
    • Oh my goodness, YES! Absolutely love him!

      @MYOB2023@MYOB202326 күн бұрын
  • Lex is correct that you can't separate form from function. They should talk to an author or poet. In the example of the two dogs, "The two dogs entered the room."places the reader's perspective with the two dogs, which is more natural. However, "There was a room, and two dogs entered in." fixes the recipient's perspective within the room. That's at least true in English, I'm sure there would be other norms in other languages, but order of world building establishes perspective. You can tell in how we describe perspectives as well: First-person, the perspective is first. Third-person, the world is first, or we're viewing things from the perspective of the world.

    @tmmroy@tmmroy22 күн бұрын
  • This was fascinating! Does anyone have any recommendations for podcasts on the topics of language, etymology, linguistics...etc?

    @HanzBigTurkOlsen@HanzBigTurkOlsen25 күн бұрын
    • check out EtymologyNerd, hes on KZhead too, he has some very interesting shorts on language

      @F1zZy@F1zZy23 күн бұрын
  • Mind-blowing!! Love you guys.

    @cosmoblaster@cosmoblaster25 күн бұрын
  • If you think "The boy who the cat who the dog chased scratched ran away" is difficult, you should try reading Proust. That's child's play next to it.

    @zhwancardin5449@zhwancardin544919 күн бұрын
  • Starting around 9:00, Prof. Gibson begins his thesis that language tries to reduce "dependencies" by making 'connections'. As far I understand him, he is saying that SVO sentences are easier to restitute meaning than other languages were the verb comes at the end of the sentence. Japanese has a brilliant feature using "markers" (borrowing from the professor) that tell you these things: the TOPIC of the sentence, the SUBJECT of the sentence and a whole slew of other particles or markers that tell you what is an OBJECT and a lot of other things about the grammar of the sentence. Accordingly, the Japanese language tells you what the sentence means by signaling in the grammar. This is why many Japanese language teachers will tell you that it is essential for students to learn the grammar of a language so students can speak. And as a corollary, it is the reason I instruct my Japanese students to observe that sentences in English will not tell you the 'topic'. If they can isolate and identify the verb, they will know the subject. But discovering the topic is a discursive endeavor. Over the years, it seems to me that Japanese students are not made aware of this distinction - as concerns English, anyway . They are left on their own to make this difference a sort of automatic switching in the brain. When I do make a point of this, I can see a widening in some eyes and imagine cartoonish lightbulbs turning on. I'm not learnéd enough to comment more widely about how many other languages may compare to Japanese. I'm not even a proficient speaker of Japanese, but I'm certain about this essential point, and Japanese academics with whom I've spoken seem to agree.

    @JohnJohn-ju4gw@JohnJohn-ju4gw27 күн бұрын
  • 1:34:41 out of curiosity, have you done a psyche evaluation approach?

    @lisamuir4261@lisamuir426128 күн бұрын
  • I think the main reason for the development of legalese may well have been cost related. Especially in English, where one must repeat at least the subject in some way in a paratactic sentence, it means that more words are produced per bit of meaning. And in the past, this meant toner, paper, or, even worse, pens, ink, candles, parchment. Legalese could therefore just be a convoluted language form derived from the need to cut costs.

    @FabrizioBianchi@FabrizioBianchi7 күн бұрын
  • Will be very interesting to hear the guest view of the Arabic language which is very powerfull in terms of expressiveness. What he mentioned about Russian language regarding markers is also present in Arabic and you can rearrange sentences [mostly] without losing meaning.

    @mcaibai2425@mcaibai242527 күн бұрын
  • LOL to Edward saying NLP didn't seem too interesting!!! I love this episode. I took a linguistics class in college. It was challenging but fun! I loved learning more about the way human beings process language. Thank you :)

    @CuriousJo1122@CuriousJo112220 күн бұрын
  • Fascinating to me is the relationship between internal dialogue and physical movements.Some talented rock Climbers leading a particular difficult section, resting comfortably, gazing at the crux section overhead...might be thinking. ..if I can just get my right foot up 3 feet to that half inch toe hold, and my right hand to the jug(a very good full grip luggage handle type hold) I have got this and it is all in the bag. Granted we still have another 300 feet left but the crux is done. Think this might be the way a spinal cord damaged person uses thoughts/ intentions to operate a keyboard

    @user-kp7xg1yi6k@user-kp7xg1yi6k24 күн бұрын
  • What’s up lex, love your content! Stay bad a**

    @TheRealZanee@TheRealZanee28 күн бұрын
  • I guess ill have to stop center embedding... My reason to jam definition and reasoning into the middle of statements is so that they are not able to ignore those details and remove context.

    @ConceptHut@ConceptHut21 күн бұрын
  • Thank you for this fascinating conversation. Now I want to read Dr. Gibson’s new book! As an ESL teacher & Reading teacher (teens) I find the concept of languages to be complex & endlessly interesting. It’s complex on many levels, such as academic English which at the high school level & beyond is highly content specific. The language of biology is very different from the language of history. If a student does not understand content specific academic vocabulary they won’t understand anything. Reading likewise is a complex process & in an academic setting often requires complex thinking skills such as making inferences and analyzing conflicting information. Language translations are a relatively simple task & are done well by programs, etc. but complex thought processes are required to truly learn, analyze and question & that may be exclusively a human ability; hence, AI needs humans to "train" it (data). Words are also Energy and carry the Energy of the intentions behind them.

    @maggieelizabeth-qk1ir@maggieelizabeth-qk1ir27 күн бұрын
  • I wonder if that voice people hear in their head is just how they perceive their thoughts. Like, that's just how they make sense of thoughts because voices are something they have observed and experienced with their external senses

    @GSFremont@GSFremont28 күн бұрын
  • This was a great an interview. I was surprised by both how much he knows and how much he doesn’t know.

    @kumoitojp@kumoitojp20 күн бұрын
  • Absolutely fascinating

    @Susanrogers-pt9mf6hx1w@Susanrogers-pt9mf6hx1w26 күн бұрын
  • Interesting side note for you both. In the Aboriginal Gumbaynggir language (Australia) You can have two sentences with the same words illustrating very different concepts in their culture/belief systems. "Ga wa jinn" (Tree turns into/tranforms to a woman) and also "Jinn wa ga". Woman turns into a tree.

    @jopattix@jopattix27 күн бұрын
  • Creating new words happens in Instances of using unique combinations of Latin root words to build new descriptors 24:32

    @Thecrucialdruggy@Thecrucialdruggy28 күн бұрын
  • Bro I have just started learning Japanese as a kind of exploration... and curiosity. And connecting this topics in my head how different things shape each other. Interesting

    @Xeon1007@Xeon100727 күн бұрын
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