Mooney vs Cardinal

2022 ж. 2 Нау.
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Mark takes a look at the Mooney M20E and the Cessna Cardinal 177RG, which are two very similar planes. This was Skywagon University's first, full length feature film. We really don't know how we managed to make it 47 minutes long!

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  • "A.E.I.O.U. are vowels" had me rolling. Love your presentations.

    @iflycentral@iflycentral2 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks, I Fly Central!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
    • And sometimes Y

      @anthonydelrosario1718@anthonydelrosario1718 Жыл бұрын
    • And he totally missed: "E-I-E-I-O is, of course, MacDonald, and a farmer."

      @waveydaveyav8r442@waveydaveyav8r442 Жыл бұрын
    • ​@waveydaveyav8r442 That would of been giid too!

      @donc9751@donc97518 ай бұрын
    • @@anthonydelrosario1718 The new

      @uboo1975@uboo19756 ай бұрын
  • As someone said when comparing a high wing vs. a low wing, "it depends on if you want to bang your head or your shine." Nice video.

    @cdsang2thehobbyist695@cdsang2thehobbyist695 Жыл бұрын
  • Excellent overview that I enjoyed vicariously as I'm not current right now 🙂

    @cpunut@cpunutКүн бұрын
  • 'Gear on both planes... 3 wheels each, very similar'. Legend. Great comparison Mark, hope to see more in the future! Thank you for the video

    @--db---@--db---2 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • I never watched any video for 30 minutes, let alone 47 minutes...until this one. First time I see your video and it will not be the last. Congratulations on a superbly made video and a well delivered, full of real knowledge, job. From Orlando, Florida...best wishes from a retired Science College Professor, who flies for fun.

    @Flights-gq8po@Flights-gq8po Жыл бұрын
    • We are humbly grateful for the high praise. We know you are looking down the barrel of Hurricane Ian right now. Stay safe!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • I'm an A&P and a Pilot. I've never felt so engaged and enthralled about these two baby birds as when this Gent from across the puddle talks about them. Well done, sir. I'm now subscribed with ALL notifications. If only all people could talk about planes like this guy. He doesn't come across as pompous, he doesn't have a "Radio-voice" like so many do, I just enjoyed his presentation.

    @waveydaveyav8r442@waveydaveyav8r442 Жыл бұрын
    • Thank you for noticing that I just talk normally. I really dislike the "news reporter" voice or talking differently because there is a camera. There is no need. I always wonder if the newscasters talk at dinner parties or at home to their partners like they do on camera. It is annoying to watch.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
    • @@skywagonuniversity5023 nobody on the planet has a more formulaic News cadence as the people from Skynews Australia. You know what I'm talking about, it's the same pattern repeated over and over again.

      @waveydaveyav8r442@waveydaveyav8r442 Жыл бұрын
  • I'm a Mooney guy (M20J) who has also owned a Cessna 172 and has flown several Piper models. Cessna's generally don't get my blood flowing. However, recently, one of my friends...who's fairly tall...bought a Cardinal and I have to say, it's a pretty impressive and capable airplane.

    @GoodLifeInSpain@GoodLifeInSpain10 күн бұрын
    • The Cardinal door is a blessing and a curse. Easy to get in and out of, but don't let it go in the wind. We did a comparison video on the two aircraft. kzhead.info/sun/eKavhZdlnIWci2w/bejne.html

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity502310 күн бұрын
    • @@skywagonuniversity5023 LOL...that was one of the first things my friend told me when we did a walk-around! I also find the gear up kind of funky. Very bird-like.

      @GoodLifeInSpain@GoodLifeInSpain10 күн бұрын
  • Great video! I really enjoyed the “vowel” joke too

    @matt4055@matt40552 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • I own a 75 Cardinal. It took me 3 months to decide between the Cardinal and a Mooney. The cabin and my wife's opinion made the decision. Never looked back. This was brilliant. Thanks.

    @chriskenney4377@chriskenney4377 Жыл бұрын
    • Thanks

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • Excellent class!

    @garybaldwin1061@garybaldwin10612 жыл бұрын
  • Many thanks for your bringing back my deep-seated nostalgia for Mooneys. I bought an M20A at the end of my AID tour in Chile and flew that baby back to DC, taking seven weeks to visit friends and sightsee en route, a trip of some 6,900 miles. What a fast, comfortable long-legged beauty that flying marvel was. Sniff, sniff...

    @timothytemple5678@timothytemple5678Ай бұрын
    • That was a long trip from Chile.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023Ай бұрын
    • 6,900 miles but a wonderful adventure, taking 7 weeks, with 3 in Mexico. I am sorry, I didn't find your response 'tol just now. Great nostalgia...thanks

      @timothytemple5678@timothytemple567820 күн бұрын
  • OMG.... "...So you might not want to go to Telluride in August with your Anvils." I totally rofl-coptered!

    @waveydaveyav8r442@waveydaveyav8r442 Жыл бұрын
    • Yes, my Anvil delivery program is only kept with Turbo 206's etc. Not Mooneys and cardinals. ;-)

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
    • @@skywagonuniversity5023 and you don't carry them to Telluride in August, to be sure, not without turbo-normalizing. Man, when I can scrape together enough rubles to buy an airplane, I'm coming to you. Even though you're out of my way, you're an absolute riot!

      @waveydaveyav8r442@waveydaveyav8r442 Жыл бұрын
  • I’ve often wondered about this tendency to hyper focus on the “complex” part of transition which scared me to the point of procrastination to get it done. I finally confessed my anxiety, to my CFI and he understood. Think of it as a natural transition to a slightly more competent version of the plane you’ve already been flying. Maybe it’s only a constant prop. Then add some retractable gear to start.

    @TomasAWalker53@TomasAWalker53 Жыл бұрын
  • Nice video and great drone shot! Definitely want to add Placerville to one of the airports for time building, to check out some cool planes!

    @pppeeettteeerrr@pppeeettteeerrr2 жыл бұрын
  • still laughing a.e.i.o.u. are vowels and it must be dam early in the morning when mark does not know every rivet on a plane another great video thanks skywagon university 👍

    @furball5553@furball55532 жыл бұрын
    • I slightly amused myself with that. It just came out.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • I used to 'help' a guy fly his '65 E. Oh dear god was that a fun time in my life! However finances have changed, and so must my playthings. I have to relate one of my last BFRs in that Mooney. For the 'unusual attitude' portion I put my head down to my knees, Jim put it in a shallow, full powered descent, and then slooowly pulled back back back. At stall speed he kicked left rudder, throttle to idle, and said, 'your airplane'! So I look up, and we have no airspeed, no vertical speed, stall horn screaming, staring straight down at the ground - we're just hanging there in a perfect hammerhead stall. It was hilarious. 'course, I didn't have to do a thing - just don't pull the wings off. LOVE tha 'E'.

    @dingo8babym20@dingo8babym205 ай бұрын
    • Scary stuff but a strong plane.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50235 ай бұрын
    • @@skywagonuniversity5023 I'm not sure you could do that in a Cessna or Piper(?). PS: send money so I can start flying again😃

      @dingo8babym20@dingo8babym205 ай бұрын
  • The throttle quadrant of the M20F executive is beautiful. It is set up so nicely.

    @kurtbuck3275@kurtbuck3275 Жыл бұрын
  • I came this close to getting my complex endorsement in a Mooney. My flight school had one on the line, but no instructors were checked out yet in it. Soon the Mooney moved away. Maybe because no one flew it? In any case, the Mooney with the manual retractable landing gear is at the top of my airplane shopping list for when that magical time arrives. The 177RG however is in the number two slot. Now, on with the show!

    @Reuben-@Reuben-2 жыл бұрын
    • Either plane will serve you well.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
    • I got my complex and instrument rating in a Mooney M20E at a flight school in Florida. I now own a Mooney M20K 252

      @swan433@swan4332 жыл бұрын
    • Daywm

      @tomasnokechtesledger1786@tomasnokechtesledger17862 жыл бұрын
  • Another comprehensive and very enjoyable video. If I had my choice I’m not certain which I would choose. I have flown the RG years ago during flight training and it was a joy to fly. I loved the sleek appearance. It just looked fast. Great access through the doors and the visibility through that big windshield.

    @brucer81@brucer812 жыл бұрын
  • Another great video and great source of information! Thanks Mark!!

    @timmholzhauer3342@timmholzhauer33422 жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent video comparison Mark, thanks for putting these superb info videos together, they take a lot of work... and did you say "that's why I've got 6" after landing the Mooney? haha great!

    @FireLight275@FireLight2752 жыл бұрын
  • This comparison was top of my wish list. It’s like you guys can see into my head. Thank you.

    @marcustait869@marcustait8692 жыл бұрын
    • Glad you liked it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • I love your presentations -- very interesting and informative. And the demo that follows is great too ! ! Will definitely be looking out for more -- Thanks

    @roderickbowes2482@roderickbowes2482 Жыл бұрын
    • Awesome, thank you!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • First time watching your channel. Well done you have a lot of needed information for the Mooney owner thank you !

    @AviatingPassion@AviatingPassion2 жыл бұрын
    • Glad it was helpful!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • I love your presentation style. This was informative, thanks!

    @rigilchrist@rigilchrist Жыл бұрын
    • Glad you liked it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • Great video! Always informative and broad in coverage and the presentation style makes it a pleasure to watch. The humor is an added bonus too!

    @tkorte101@tkorte1019 ай бұрын
    • Thanks! Glad you liked it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50239 ай бұрын
  • Terrific! How can you make an airplane comparison so informative and funny at the same time! Best I have seen!

    @vintonland8001@vintonland80012 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Fantastic video! Loved it!

    @kevinaldrichFL@kevinaldrichFL2 жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you Mr. Mark. Very informative. Mooney is my favorite too.

    @johnweatherford5760@johnweatherford57607 ай бұрын
  • Excellent Mark. Very informative!

    @CP-yi2jq@CP-yi2jq2 жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Never flown the Mooney but have a lot of time in 177rg, absolutely loved that plane.

    @kiwidiesel@kiwidiesel2 жыл бұрын
  • Just recently began flying an M20C for my complex endorsement and I absolutely loved it. Your videos on the Mooney had very me very excited and the plane delivered!

    @airplanejerk27@airplanejerk272 жыл бұрын
    • I rode along as a student in a Mooney M20C Ranger many many years ago having a few hours in a 150 and loved it. I asked the instructor in confusion "why doesn't everyone have one of these"?

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Thank you for the review. Great insights.

    @chrisc161@chrisc1612 жыл бұрын
    • Glad it was helpful!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Great video as always!

    @billclisham8668@billclisham8668 Жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • Absolutely excellent video!

    @JM-nt5fm@JM-nt5fm Жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • Excellent! Your best video of all.

    @will.patton@will.patton2 жыл бұрын
    • Wow, thanks!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Fantastic video Mark - again!!!

    @jackyeoman4685@jackyeoman46852 жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Greatly enjoyed the level of detail you brought to this video. You know your Mooney very well! Excellent comparison detail as well. Well done sir!

    @edaycock3505@edaycock3505 Жыл бұрын
    • We are glad you enjoyed it, Ed!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • Without a doubt the best narration of these two planes, thank you Mark.

    @ianlevy8765@ianlevy8765 Жыл бұрын
    • Excellent. Thanks.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
    • Can I eat my lunch first?

      @gavinjordan2044@gavinjordan20449 ай бұрын
    • Hunter is on his way out here to pick me up to go play golf

      @gavinjordan2044@gavinjordan20449 ай бұрын
  • One of the best side-by-side comparisons I've seen. You have a knack for this. I've never flown a Mooney, but have quite a few hours in a 177 identical to that one, & I loved flying it. Thx for doing the video.

    @joehelsley8321@joehelsley83212 жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Great video! Thank you.

    @DoogieFresh@DoogieFresh Жыл бұрын
    • Glad you liked it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • Well done.

    @tomwaltermayer2702@tomwaltermayer27022 жыл бұрын
  • Mark is a great guy. When I was shopping for a Mooney I called him up to talk financing. Mark had a beautiful little M20C for sale that I was eyeing. Mark steered me in the right direction for financing and while I didn’t end up buying him C I ended up going with an M20J with another broker. 10 years later I still love my Mooney but I always appreciated Mark’s help by talking to me and his excellent customer service.

    @steveconaway774@steveconaway774 Жыл бұрын
    • Thanks Steve.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • I appreciate the entertaining video Mr. Mark and Mr. Don. I am planting corn tonight, and I listened to the whole presentation, and even caught a few glances because my tractor is on autopilot.

    @chester8420@chester84202 жыл бұрын
    • That is excellent, you have a video or at least a computer on internet in your automatic piloted tractor. Or your phone. Anyway, I'd like to see a video on that.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
    • @@skywagonuniversity5023 I am using a Trimble TMX autopilot on my John Deere 8420. The Trimble autopilot recieves radio signals from stationary GPS base stations around my county that calculate GPS position corrections. The base stations broadcast that correction signal (over the air via radio) to the Trimble in the tractor. The Trimble uses the correction signal information to refine the GPS location of the tractor to within a fraction of an inch many times a second. The Trimble autopilot uses sensors (accelerometers, angle sensors, and gyros) mounted on the tractor to further refine the other variables: instantaneous heading, steering angle, and tilt of the machine (which moves the roof mounted GPS reciever). The autopilot compensates for all those variables in realtime and steers the tractor. Autopilot has many uses for the farm, but in a nutshell, it helps us reduce overlap, reduce chemical/fertilizer/fuel/seed waste, and increase productivity. It's nice to have something that makes it easier on the operator, saves money, and helps the environment a little too! How rare is that?!

      @chester8420@chester84202 жыл бұрын
    • @@chester8420 I need that tractor in my life!

      @donaldbishop923@donaldbishop9232 жыл бұрын
  • Started in Cessna 172's, then went to Cherokee Warriors. Love them both but always longed for a Mooney. I picked up a low time 68 M20C that needed a lot of TLC and a restore job. Its almost done and can't wait to fly it. Your Video and the flight in your Mooney was very inspiring and helpful. Thanks!

    @DC-nc6vt@DC-nc6vt4 ай бұрын
  • Wow! Very cool information on the Mooney E !

    @ph5915@ph59152 жыл бұрын
    • Glad you liked it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Great idea to compare these ! Comparing the operators was always interesting too :)

    @MarkShinnick@MarkShinnick2 жыл бұрын
    • Agreed!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • two wings each! Who would have guessed!! Thanks for the video brings back great memories. My dad had a 76 177 RG, loved flying in it! Great visibility in the 177 and easy to get in and out of may be the only advantages for me

    @matthewjob9424@matthewjob94242 жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • A cost to purchase comparison would be nice. Love your videos always entertaining and educational.

    @hotttt28@hotttt282 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks. I try to make the videos not about sales, but I see your point. The exact equivalent Mooney would me a 1977 201 and as far as pricing goes, those two would be very similar. The E is older (1965) and therefore cheaper, but that does not make it go slower.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Outstanding Mark. Greetings from San Antonio, Texas

    @tayseerismail8521@tayseerismail85212 жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent video with so much knowledge. Thanks for sharing. Well done.

    @jameshopkins1260@jameshopkins12607 ай бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50237 ай бұрын
  • Very informative. First time I got to learn about the elevator trim on the moonie. Thank you

    @leebenton7920@leebenton7920 Жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it, Lee!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • Great comparison video on these two aircraft. I've flown the Cardinal a number of times when my friend owned one. He was working on his IFR rating at the time. We found it to be quite capable as an IFR platform. When I flew a Mooney years ago, it did well as an instrument ship and was fast too! Thanks for your informative content!

    @triskellian@triskellian2 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Loved the comparison! One day a 177 FG is in my future. However, I have always been enamored with Mooney aircraft. Just not the best choice for me due to arthritic knees. Great presentation and comparative detail.

    @jcmcclain57@jcmcclain572 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent, balanced review of the two aircraft. Thanks! Wayne (DA40, also an IO360, KSBA)

    @GeezerGeekPilot@GeezerGeekPilot2 жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Good job, Captain.

    @larrylegg8245@larrylegg82452 жыл бұрын
  • Appreciate the grovelling under the bellies - great vid!

    @justinc5284@justinc52842 жыл бұрын
    • Our pleasure!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • I owned a "G" for about 10 years and loved it. Put on every speed mod available except the "J" cowl. Installed a Garmin 530/430 comm/nav combo plus JPI fuel flow and a few others for the panel. Fuel bladders and manual gear solved lots of issues/ADs. If there was a way to kill recurring inspections, it was done. I eventually sold her to a guy that really seemed to appreciate her. The Cardinal is a great aerial SUV but the Mooney is pure FUN.

    @kn4cc755@kn4cc7552 жыл бұрын
  • I really had hopes for going to Telluride in August with my anvils 🤣🤣. Seriously though, great video! Your knowledge of these airplanes is much appreciated .

    @flatland4x4@flatland4x42 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks. Go in September with only one anvil......

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Outstanding, thorough review. I’ve owned my fixed gear Cardinal for 10 years. I have a few things to add: The Cardinal fuel system is stone simple: Left/Right/Both. Mine lives in Both 99% of the time. The prop clearance on the Cardinal is greater than the Mooney’s, something to consider for grass field ops. Cardinals come with 3 point shoulder harnesses. I retrofitted mine with the B.A.S. 4 point, inertia reel system. Not sure if shoulder harnesses are an option for Mooneys. The Cardinal Flyers Online, the type club for Cardinals, is one of the best run, informative, and active groups out there, despite the relatively small fleet size. As a result, there are many after market mods available for Cardinals. One of the most popular is the tuned exhaust by Powerflow. The Powerflow exhaust adds “bolt on” horsepower, which is most noticeable on takeoff and climb, but will also add a couple of knots in cruise. My fixed gear Cardinal has several additional speed mods and I typically see true airspeeds between 130-135 knots (150-155 mph) at 10.4 -10.8 GPH between 6000-8000 feet, 75% power. Not bad for an airplane built in 1970 with the gear down and welded. The Cardinal’s front seats adjust fore/aft, up/down, and the seat back angle can be adjusted. The up/down feature is great for shorter pilots/pax. No need for cushions or phone books (millennials & younger may need to Google that 😜). In the end, both are excellent airplanes. Having to choose between them is a very 1st world problem. I’m a lucky man to be the caretaker of my Cardinal. I plan to leave it better than I found it.

    @cessna177flyer3@cessna177flyer32 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks for the input from a long time owner.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
    • Yes, you can retrofit retract shoulder harnesses on a Mooney.

      @kn4cc755@kn4cc7552 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the clarification on the "road" :)

    @johnrezzonico1139@johnrezzonico11392 жыл бұрын
  • Well done Mark.

    @maccoble@maccoble Жыл бұрын
    • Thanks, Mac!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • Superb instructional and comedy too!

    @davidcampbell2845@davidcampbell28452 жыл бұрын
    • You must be as easily amused as I am.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • I like the Mooney!! Nice plane!! Great comparison!!

    @derstuka96@derstuka962 жыл бұрын
    • Couldn't agree more, Das Maverick!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Beautiful landing with the Cessna!!!

    @ridewot@ridewot Жыл бұрын
    • Get lucky every now and then

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • Great side by side comparison. Years ago when I was in university, we did a road trip down to Eugene, Ore with my Prof. who belonged to a flying club there. The 4 of us piled into a mooney and flew it back to YVR. I was 6’2” at the time, and very comfortable in the back seat..

    @balsumfractus@balsumfractus2 жыл бұрын
    • See, It's true.....

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • I have a G model Mooney and love it. It is almost impossible to get out of CG. One day I was playing around on foreflight to see what it would take and 120lbs in the baggage and two 250lb passengers in the back seat and only me up front is what it took to get it past the aft CG limit.

    @utah20gflyer76@utah20gflyer762 жыл бұрын
    • The first time I was allowed some stick time was on a Mooney m20e was my bosses when I was 16 loved it he used to say it seats 2.5 adults lol I went everywhere I could in it

      @spannaspinna@spannaspinna Жыл бұрын
  • Great video. Congratulations for your Mooney it's a real good looking airplane. Greetings from Argentina.

    @pablogonzalez8884@pablogonzalez88842 жыл бұрын
    • Thank you

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Really appreciated the comparison! Have always wanted a Cardinal, mainly for the ease of entry and getting in and out of planes at my age has become a limiting factor. Just now getting checked out in an intercooled M-31. It is very comfortable once I'm in. Have to say I really like the way it flies and lands. I will be giving the owner instrument training.

    @bobharrison7693@bobharrison76933 ай бұрын
  • I must say i really enjoy your videos as an owner of a mooney E i love the mooney videos keep up the good work.

    @mooneym20man70@mooneym20man702 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for your evaluation. I have 700 hrs in the Cardinal RG from my flight instructing days. I owned a Mooney G for 20years. Obviously, my preference is the Mooney. The Cardinal will carry more with decent speed but the Mooney will fly faster, stronger, better economy and ramp appeal.

    @kenjohnson6137@kenjohnson61372 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the tip on hot starts! I fly a Super Decathlon as a rental and I'm never quite sure how it's supposed to work (do a lot of cold starts but rarely hot start), it as an AEIO-360.

    @SVSky@SVSky2 жыл бұрын
  • As always, love your videos. I learn so much from them. This is the most comprehensive comparison of a Mooney versus a competitor. Great job and please keep the videos coming!👏🏽 PS: love my M20J! Think the Mooneys are superior in their class and were definitely ahead of their time.

    @rodolfocastro3222@rodolfocastro32222 жыл бұрын
  • My uncle had a new Mooney, back in the 60's, and he loved it.

    @user-ny2bx8ez1c@user-ny2bx8ez1c4 ай бұрын
    • I'd like to have had one new back then too.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50234 ай бұрын
  • Lot's of jokes in this one. I always see you as a serious guy, so enjoyed all the humor! Thank you for the comparison. I am currently looking for a 210 to get a true 4-place aircraft that is high-wing and actually checked one you "had". I really want a 2-door and so rare to find a low-wing with 2 doors. Also, large people getting into a low-wing tend to "fall in" and then have to climb out. While getting into the high-wing is stepping up into it and stepping down out of it. Thank you for the new video Mark!

    @cabdouch@cabdouch2 жыл бұрын
    • It was a long one too. Not sure we meant it to be that long but it worked.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
    • @@skywagonuniversity5023 I enjoy your depth of knowledge on the subtleties of the variations. Your video was long because it was full of information. I did not feel like there was anything else you could have speed up or trimmed as it seems the pace was very well done and there was no superfluous content. I think that people that don't like long videos are probably more turned off to that and not that it is "chocked full of" good content!

      @cabdouch@cabdouch2 жыл бұрын
  • It's so nice to hear from a pro!

    @parkburrets4054@parkburrets4054 Жыл бұрын
    • Thanks.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • 177 RG, 1976 owner since 2008. Still in love. Best SEP aircraft handlingwise and very reasonable performance and economy in that power-range. Just a super aircraft.

    @Patrick-pm1sn@Patrick-pm1sn2 жыл бұрын
    • They are great planes.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • "A.E.I.O.U. are vowels" had me rolling. Love your presentations.. "A.E.I.O.U. are vowels" had me rolling. Love your presentations..

    @user-qc3xd9gc5t@user-qc3xd9gc5t10 ай бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it. You must be as easily amused as I am.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity502310 ай бұрын
  • Superlative video, informative, entertaining, and great host.

    @AviationWP@AviationWP Жыл бұрын
    • Glad you enjoyed it!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • This is easily the best Mooney video on the internet. To get the real Mooney measurements I had to find one and do it myself. I bought a Comanche but I still do have love for the Mooney.

    @philipmacduffie7612@philipmacduffie76122 жыл бұрын
    • Wow, thanks!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Great video! I was torn between buying the Mooney, the Cardinal or the Arrow, when I flew with a salesman to look at a plane in his TR182. This year I will now have owned my TR182 for 20 years and love it more each and every year.

    @smacfe@smacfe2 жыл бұрын
    • Those are great planes.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Excellent. Thanks

    @soidog659@soidog659 Жыл бұрын
    • You are welcome!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • Excellent “unbiased” overview. I have a 75 Cardinal RGII and you covered everything in a very factual manner. Thanks for the additional hot start technique. I will definitely be using that though I have the STC’d Lycoming IO390. I had done a prebuy on a 1980 Mooney M20K 231 model but there were too many squawks and it had been sitting out on tie down for a couple years in Maine coastal weather. Mooneys are great planes and the designers captured the essence of what pilots wanted in a true commuter plane. It is interesting that the popular RV aircraft use the same pushrod style controls and captured that crisp accurate responsiveness that you describe in your narrative.

    @lisaleedavidson@lisaleedavidson2 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks. Yes, the early K model Mooneys (M20K-231) has the problematic IO-360 GB six cylinder Continental in them. Upgraded to the IO-360 LB1B which is a bit better.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Bought my 76 Cardinal RGII in 1987 with 1600hrs on it for $18,000 ; )' It had sat for 4yrs without flying and had 3mths left on the annual. Changed the tires and battery when I bought it. It has been the perfect airplane for my family of 4 over the years. I still have it today and it has been the best investment I have ever made! Only a couple of minor unscheduled mx issues over 35yrs of ownership. I highly recommend the Cardinal to anyone still on the fence! They were made from 71 to 78 and the best models to get are the 76 and 77 the 78 is 24 volts.

    @BBJCaptain@BBJCaptain2 жыл бұрын
    • Excellent. Long term owner. Thanks.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • We operated a Comanche 400 for a few years delivering newspapers to country Victoria in the late 60s. In summer, after refuelling, doing a hot start involved purging the air from the lines by flooding and then flogging the starter, mixture lean and full throttle. What a pia it was !

    @davidpearn5925@davidpearn59252 жыл бұрын
    • When hot, add no fuel and give it full throttle and no fuel at all (mixture out) crank it, it starts and quickly mixture in and throttle out before it rev's up. The 720 in a 400 is literally two 360's, so same process.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Mark, great review as always! I owned two Mooney M20Cs (63 and 65) before buying my current 64 Cessna 210. The Mooneys are fantastic but I just got tired of crawling out of the Mooneys. I’m 6’3”, 220lbs and the Cessna is just easier to get in and out. The quality of the Mooney is higher but Cessnas are like GM cars. They’re everywhere, parts and mechanics are readily available and they’re easy to fly. I actually had a couple mechanics tell me they wouldn’t work on my Mooney because it was hard to access. But the efficiency and speed for given power is hard to beat. Great assessment of both planes.

    @jeffswartwood7316@jeffswartwood73162 жыл бұрын
    • Picky mechanics. But, the 210 is much easier to get in and out of, for sure.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the tip re starting a hot IO-360. I have a slightly different technique with my Mooney M20J, but I'm going to try yours out tomorrow to see if she starts any quicker. My technique is to keep mixture out and throttle slightly cracked - works every time, but it does take 3-4 seconds of cranking.

    @sactu1@sactu12 жыл бұрын
    • Slight variations work. The bottom line is "no extra fuel"

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Put the 201 windshield, South West cowling, move the oil cooler, convert the generator to alternator, straight six panel, and put the Johnson bar back and you have the perfect airplane. Wait for the "clunk" of the step dropping down during taxi. I bought my E out of Placerville. And did my 10 hours of required instruction out of there. Coming from only Cessna's it totally freaked me out! Placerville being on a hill but Auburn was even worse. I felt like I was below the trees on final. After a couple days of this we went to Lincoln and I said finally a flat runway! The big thing is that the plane is so efficient that if you don't have the gear down before descending you never will get down to VLE. One of the reasons I loved the Johnson bar is that if they ask you to keep your speed up on approach you could comply. Then once inside the FAF you just get it right at the bottom of the glideslope then pull back on the yoke and watch the a.s. drop. Once at 120 drop the gear and get right back on GS. Just make sure you let your passengers know before you do it. Neither plane is High Performance since the regulation is OVER 200 horse power thus you don't need a High Performance endorsement.

    @libertine5606@libertine56066 ай бұрын
    • Which E did you buy out of Placerville.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50236 ай бұрын
    • N5554Q

      @libertine5606@libertine56066 ай бұрын
  • I rarely comment, this was a stellar video

    @nolaneads2826@nolaneads2826 Жыл бұрын
    • Thank you, Nolan. We'll consider that high praise!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
  • Great adlib at the 10:09 minute mark with the alphabet soup fest ending in the vowels 😂! You sure do know your Mooney's and Cardinals but especially the Mooneys! Wow, 1st video of yours I've seen, kept me interested! Being so used to seeing struts on almost all the small cessnas it always makes me think id feel better looking down from 1 with the strut there! Theyre handy for hanging onto also, had 2 jumps from a 182 way back in the day! A cardil wouldnt work for that purpose i guess, but i sure love those big doors! Liked & subscribed!

    @donc9751@donc97518 ай бұрын
    • Thank you.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50238 ай бұрын
  • Hmmm… well I flew a ‘65 Mooney for a few years and ended up with a ‘75 Cardinal for the last 20+ years. With my two bladed prop (a three bladed is slower in cruise), I cruise at 150ktas. I measure my cabin width at the shoulders and it is 48 inches. I am certain it is wider than the mooney. I would be shoulder touching shoulder with my flight instructor in the mooney but in the Cardinal there’s a good five inches between our shoulders. Plus I have a center console between the two seats that is 4 inches wide. Nothing beats the Cardinal doors and there are after market door stops to keep them from becoming wind sails. At any rate, the Mooney is a wonderful aircraft but I find the Cardinal to be a much more comfortable aircraft with great range and about the same fuel economy and speed. I also thinks it’s the prettiest single piston aircraft Cessna ever produced. I would love to redo this presentation with my two bladed Cardinal, beautiful paint job, mint interior, and, of course, let my bias towards the Cardinal shine thru.

    @netflix1007@netflix1007 Жыл бұрын
  • I have a Mod Squad 63 M20C under restoration. Some advice if your looking for a Mooney make sure you inspect the tubing in the cabin structure for rust. Especially near windows & doors where water can leak in. Also those instrument inspection panels can leak if not sealed properly. Some Mooney's mostly later ones have poor paint adhesion on the tubing & are completely bare steel. Requires pulling the interior, hand sanding rust & painting with a brush to get to the blind side against the skin. If it's bad, tubing has to be cut out & new tube welded in. I was lucky with my bird someone had Dinitroled the whole airframe. The aluminum inside the wings was like a mirror, Dinitrol saved it from sitting outside for years. ACF & Boesheild don't last & are inferior products to Dinitrol. Make sure you get a mechanic thats a real expert on Mooney's for the prebuy. Alot of great pretenders out there.

    @Nord3202@Nord32022 жыл бұрын
    • All very true. Check your steel frame in a pre-buy if it has lived in a damp climate. .

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Very nice Mark.. my instructor was a Mooney advocate.. Reinhard Jarshke.. if I remember his story correctly, he ferryed the first Mooneys to Germany.. 6 aircraft in total I believe. And yes, he was biased.. but his instruction was first rate, as tho he owned the Piper and Cessna we used. Thanks for your objective comparison. Always a pleasure watching.

    @earlelkins9086@earlelkins90862 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks. All planes are excellent.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
    • @@skywagonuniversity5023 yes they are!

      @earlelkins9086@earlelkins90862 жыл бұрын
  • Love the video. I owned a M20F from 2001-2016 and loved it. Looked at the M20E but I am 6'5" and needed additional seat travel. I did this exact comparison and I am so surprised how small people think Moonies are. In terms of legroom the Cessnas are terrible, the PA-28 are ok but the leg room in the Mooney is great. The Mooney was fast and strong. Great video.

    @bearshrimp@bearshrimp11 ай бұрын
    • Mooney's are surprisingly good for tall people.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity502311 ай бұрын
  • I have .5 unlogged (riding right seat) in a 20E, what a blast that was.It's my potentially-attainable dream plane. The 177 is a fine aircraft in its own right, but something about the M20 just speaks to me.

    @scarybaldguy@scarybaldguy Жыл бұрын
  • Had a 182 RG I loved , it was my dream airplane, if you could close the doors it would take off, and it never smelled like it had just rained with the doors open, lol

    @TheVictor0911@TheVictor09112 жыл бұрын
  • Six Mooneys! Hoping to get my first this summer!

    @briank3754@briank37542 жыл бұрын
  • I’m all about “bringing fold up bikes” to the destination for two people and not calling Uber. The Cardinals handle that mission perfectly with ease, the Mooney forget it. Being able to see the guy landing next to you on parallel runway with your wing up as you turn to final is a God send. Cirrus nightmare as everyone remembers.

    @tropicthndr@tropicthndr2 жыл бұрын
    • Mooney's are not built to haul bikes.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Nice video, Mark.

    @wdean1980@wdean19802 жыл бұрын
    • Thank you, Will!

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity50232 жыл бұрын
  • Very nice video. I have a NAvion my friend has a Mooney, and another has an A36. We fly out to breakfast usually once a week from LOO and have a ball. Nice planes Mooneys...

    @apfelsnutz@apfelsnutz Жыл бұрын
    • Thanks for watching.

      @skywagonuniversity5023@skywagonuniversity5023 Жыл бұрын
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