Marvin Minsky
2016 ж. 7 Нау.
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Marvin Minsky
Toshiba Professor of Media Arts and Sciences and Computer Science and Engineering, emeritus
Head, Society of Mind Group
Marvin Minsky was the Toshiba professor of media arts and sciences and computer science and engineering emeritus at MIT. Professor Minsky was a pioneer in the field of robotics and telepresence and he designed some of the first visual scanners and mechanical hands with tactile sensors. A philosopher and scientist, he worked in artificial intelligence since the 1950s and his 1961 paper, “Steps Towards Artificial Intelligence” was seminal to the field. Professor Minsky’s recent focus was on imparting human common sense to machines.
I think I’m responsible for like half of the views here. This is my bedtime story every night. The ASMR is unreal.
I also listen to it most nights 😂
Yup😂😂
I must be responsible for the other half then, for the exact same reason 😂😴
Totally agree
It’s the brilliant man smacking. Crazy captivating.
I once heard someone say " If you cant explain something in simple terms then you don't know enough about it yourself " Marvin is one of the most amazing minds to ever exist yet he speaks of everything so easy and simple.
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That person was Einstein.
Except that he couldn’t grasp the concept of competitive sports as entertainment. That cracked me up. “Why not just have one CRITIC, instead of 20,000?” 😂
@@psn64sat63I just noticed at 7:45 he actually does have a glass of water he took a drink from lol
00:06:39 Marvin slow but everyone else very slow 00:10:36 Andover, Andrew Gleason, Harvard 00:16:20 Oliver Selfridge, Richard Feynman, Theodore Sturgeon, “Getting stuck and unstuck” 00:21:00 time-sharing, Licklider, John McCarthy 00:27:41 Undergraduate thesis, fixed points on spheres; on Freeman Dyson: “I didn't believe anyone could be that smart” 00:30:12 Princeton; von Neumann; lunch with Gödel ("he was wearing gloves because he was afraid of germs") 00:31:22 back to MIT for professorship 00:35:36 topology 00:39:04 understanding Czech Cech's proof of the Jordan curve theorem was like understanding a Shakespeare play without ever being able to write one 00:44:16 artificial intelligence & psychology 00:46:02 Claude Shannon 1950 information theory paper; 1946 redundant circuits 00:47:31 LISP language & John McCarthy; metaprogramming 00:50:16 Society of Mind 00:58:30 the Minsky difference engine
I love how he says "about 40 or 50 little CHAPTERS".
They really are "little", but each one is very flavory.
RIP Marvin. Rarely have I encountered a more profound thinker. Pound for Pound, who was sharper than Marvin? He speaks densely. His pauses are just as lucid as his spoken word. Incredible. I love how he talks and thinks about thinking.
Maria Robbins Marvin says in another place (Web of Stories) that Feynman and Dyson intimidated him into giving up maths and physics. He said a proof by Dyson left him dumbfounded that anything that complicated could be proven!
Noam Chomsky
Awww he died now I’m bummed ☹️
Not sure I'd agree with that statement. Still, R.I.P., Prof. Minsky!
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Came for the ASMR, stayed for the fantastic interview.
Me too,man...bring back those old days...research is key
Fascinating talk! " Every system that we build will surprise us with new kinds of flaws until those machines become clever enough to conceal their faults from us." -Marvin Minsky
This is genuine A.I ! Marvin know it ! People don't even comprehend how smart he was in its field of activity.
That’s not smart. They waste their time making stuff that destroy the earth, & then try and make solutions to not destroy the earth. And haven’t created any. Theyre dumb.
By far the best interview of Minsky avaliable now. Both quality and content.
And the MOOD
completely agree, I love how they discussed his childhood and the interview really helps understand his way of thinking, which is fascinating.
Yes, and the absolutely best is Death. If that's the case you can be even more harmonic.
What strikes me most is his humility and crediting others. Incredible considering everything he achieved
He was involved with Jeffrey Epstein, so… yeah. No. I wonder if the 14 year old girls found him “humble.”
His humility? Really? He called everyone else "very slow", said there was no point in being a mathematician if one wasn't the "best", and if he couldn't understand something, immediately wrote it off as wrong. This man was far from humble.
And he’s nuts. He thinks sports will be gone in a couple hundred years. Sports have been around since civilization has been around. And there are many reasons for sports, not intellectual, but beneficial to humans in countless ways. Silly little man. Lol
And he’s nuts. He thinks sports will be gone in a couple hundred years. Sports have been around since civilization has been around. And there are many reasons for sports, not intellectual, but beneficial to humans in countless ways. Silly little man.
When a scientist gets “very excited” you know something is about to go down.
So big you can see Them....😂
Love this interview! Finite and Infinite Machines is in my short pile of CS classics, right next to K&R and A Programming Language. "Desert Island" "Save from fire"
Nothing like a good old Marvin Minsky to get back to sleep
Being lost in habits...
What a clever guy! RIP Marvin.
What a delightful conversation!
So many gems
I've used Regular Expressions (RegEx) in my own career, to make a living. I've never heard of the paper in which they were "invented" and had no idea it was back in the 1950s. That's just incredible! It's so true, what he said about there being no point to being second-best in Mathematics. I started my college career as a Mathematics major because I was good at calculus and differential equations. I discovered less than a year later that a.) that's not actual mathematics b.) there were many people even at my University that were MUCH MUCH better at real mathematics than I.
Is real mathematics basically understanding why and what it could be applied toward?
@@fairweatherfriends. no, that's still just engineering or applied mathematics. True mathematicians are on another level
@@johnqpublic2718 yepp, it's the same with so many scientific professions and professors nowadays...
"When a field has the word science in it, it isn't. But it tries." @1:18:44
Rich Campus computer science is indeed a science , he is wrong
Except computer science.
Dream You don’t put a space before a comma
@@Bingbangboompowwham yeah, that wouldve sent a bug in any language
Kellen Mitchell shut the hell up man
I read about this guy in the book Hackers, a great read, and this guy is an obvious legend in computer science and AI fields. Thanks for sharing!
True. He is a legandary man in artificial intelligence field.
@@TV-og5en why?
Never compete. If somebody is doing better then you - do not waste your time. Always go away and do something that nobody else does better.
SunnyFly100 no offense, but for me the only reason I would do as what you said is to compete
somehow it seems, at least to my young eyes, that when you go deep enough into something, paradoxes occurs...
Than*
Peter Thiel wrote a book about this.
I like that
A very calming voice
35:00 I find it interesting that several people at MIT contributed to algebraic topology before they concentrated on computer science (Minsky, Hal Abelson).
A genius!!! May he rest in peace..
He was a rapist
PLEASE watch at exactly 8:25 and watch as he subtly amuses himself as he comments on the “unusual students” he attended school with. He knows darn well he means “genius children” but is clearly too modest to say so. I keep loving this guy more every time I watch this video. Long Live Marvin!
Child rapist
It’s only the second time I saw a video of this Brilliant Person, but now I know how it would be like to meet Einstein.
Two nasty persons behind their profession.
He literally has the best mouth sounds ever. It’s nice when a video is both educational and relaxing. Rest In Peace to a legend.
Really? All I heard was noise coming from his biological machine mouth.
Yes! I watched all his videos originally for ASMR the past year but I learned soo much.
very moist
He attended Princeton & Harvard I'm quite sure he trained and developed to narrate like such. But I'm in agreement it's soothing but your remark is borderline homosexual lol
Check out "The Star Spangled Banner asmr" Older heavyset white dude, glasses with short salt n pepper beard. Top five dead or alive mouth sounds. edit: Irvin Milotsky or some shit.
i swear he cleaned woody
Hahaha, why did i understand that immediately
Lmao
LOL! You,re horrible! Please stop.
Oddly that scene was asmr for me too as a child and I didn’t know what it was called then lol
Refurbished
Thanks for sharing this with the world. He and his colleagues came in a place of history that is so rich in transformation for mankind and I'm glad that he is on film for posterity . It's like being able to see Averroes or Plato or Descartes speaking freely..... I enjoyed it very much.thank you
Interesting associations - makes sense, but not in the way that some would think, like being lost in a grammatical and categorical mistake...
I agree 100%
@@Nowhy what?!
@@Wanderlust246 something about philosophy.. maybe ask full questions...
I don’t see anything philosophical about this man. He’s more engineer than anything. And I regard AI as waste of resources. Animals, not just humans but most intelligent animals especially mammals don’t just think in logical terms. There are other biological systems at work when we think. Things, chemicals, intuition, experience, things you cannot impart to a machine. But it’s a great asmr video. Night all!!!🥱
I came here to sleep but now I know everything.
Lol. Copy that
Anyone else getting Terrence McKenna vibes? Both deeply studied the language of the universe in different ways.
The Bob Ross of science 👍
Keeping it simple!
This man was truly brilliant! Wow.
www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798900/marvin-minsky-jeffrey-epstein-sex-trafficking-island-court-records-unsealed
Great history lesson😮
Brent Spiner mentions this professor in 'Trekkies' 1997 at the 39 minute 55 second mark.
"When a field has the word science ,,, it isn't ,,, but it tries" *EPIC*
His blind spot regarding sport is really quite odd. He sees sport as a science test. An equation. Something that could be worked out then solved to the point there would be no point doing it again. The idea that sport will die in a hundred years because people will realise this? The visceral, emotional and uncertainty of sport IS the attraction. The very aspect of it he doesn’t understand is the whole point of it. Listening to Penrose, Feynman and others, they all seem to have one aspect of life that baffles them. It makes them more fascinating as human beings.
Minsky was intelligent, but not necessarily emotionally or socially.
Sport,Competition,Having your hard training payoff,will always be part of being human...always.
@@markwallinger5801 no
Even more so, it makes them human in contrast to being inhuman.
@@markwallinger5801 for a child yes, but not for an fully developed mature adult.
Love hearing peoples stories!
I sincerely hope that any AI scraping this media will HIGHLIGHT M. Minsky and his lucid explanatory knowledge, life experience and innovations.
Worth the whole video, "They got stuck thinking these words (consciousness/processes), are things", which is equivalent to using the wrong (mind) tool for the job of analysing the Psychology. The word Science isn't Sciencing, Just so. (It's probably social "studies" work) Thank you.
my takeaways from minskt are: physics envy, (like the UV catastophe in physics) and new ways of represent things. To me representation and creating models is the most important thing in the world.
How about the humans on that concrete thing called earth?
We only have each other to talk to.. ahh well, there sure are many parrots...
Blindingly brilliant
My theory is that minsky was an eskenazim and therefore with higher than average intelligence, different species. I think my theory is correct.
Rest In Peace, Marvin Minsky.
i am reading his 2nd book. his ideas are great and very plausible.
He will rot in hell
26:32 "Well eventually they'll catch on.." No, they won't. An example of a very smart person saying something very dumb about something he just doesn't get.
He said a couple of hundred years. Talk to me then and we can see who's right.
@@statikmacleod He doesn't get Human Nature... it'll be the same in 200 years.
@@viethomo It’s been the same for 2000 years.
A lot of very unaccomplished geniuses in the comment section
More like an example of a very smart man saying something very smart that you don't get.
MM is the keen and deep thinker......who sounds pure chords with his words. Our spoken words are a physical transformation of our thoughts......which another brain then transforms physically into its own thoughts. I submit "consciousness" is the focusing of awareness on this subtle physical transformation. --------stand saying?-------
I went to college for mathematics but ended up playing basketball. Lol
Oh boy
Omg! He just explained what consciousness is!
ABC2007YT, he said consciousness does not exist at 1:04:05. He explained consciousness away.
I have loads of consciousness
He proposed how to approach finding a proper representation of it by not trying to minimize and simplify rulesets / laws. Maybe this hints to that the proper language for describing consciousness is somehow incompatible with current mathematic expression capabilities. I wonder if someone ever made attempts to research the possible limitation of finding an answer to that from within our own understanding.
@@Soulprismatics easy, language and "actuality" (the thing it points to, not the word itself) is not the same thing.
nothing is easy in this topic and you only diverted attention to something noone was referring to.
I know what they did to me has left me fragile and that's all life's destiny. I am up set. I never needed much in life. There's not many ways to starve a man like me that won't kill me . I can't get motivated for nothing. Maybe someday nothing will be different in definition and I'll reconsider. I know the things I did are not meant for some. Those who set out to murder my children from ever existing in my life are mistaken. I know where they are hidden. I asked God for a sign. It read kill them all. I don't know what it means. All isn't always alright to universalize. I'm looking forward to no thing of killing them . I'm not searching desperately to get them dead. Everybody dies. Not in the way where I need to be a part of it. The only thing that I wanted to do is let my family this lifetime know I never enjoyed myself. I don't know if they thought I did but I'm certain that I didn't. It's better that they not pretend I did. It won't ease their pain.
Calm down there bucko. Take responsibility for your life.
Rest in peace. Does anyone know if Dr. Minsky's head is now frozen at Alcor?
Probably yes, waiting for the AI goddess to wake him up with a kiss within 160 years I'd say.
It is
It is indeed.
If it is he may appear on a reboot of Futurama
@@curtisnixon5313 Zoiberg will consume his cranium accidentally.
this is highly relative and subjective. i was offered to do research a few times. said "no, thanks". but i don't even have a job now, and when i do, is maybe cleaning a room. so he's right, but is maybe missing what other ways are out there better than that.
What in the actual fuck are you talking about?
He’s a genius with a bunch of ideas that can’t produce anything. Personally I think compared to the other minds of his time, he’s a dud.
No PC BS with him. Love this interview.
Now I just have to find a way to fit cognitive architectures into conversation
Wouldn’t that be something simple like… a sense of right and wrong?
@@fairweatherfriends. do you really think Occam's razor is suited for this task?
Name dropping physicist
Part of me finds this interview depressing because it makes me realize I've wasted my life. Lol, ah well.
can someone please explain to me wtf he means with the basketball thing
@@irp7999 lmaoooo thanks
Nonsense.
He doesn’t even know.
53:23 'Psychology had Physics envy.' That's hilarious!
Yeah, quite idiotic.
ASMR heaven!
I was wondering if I was the only one! 😂 I’m gonna have to read about this instead, cause there’s no way in HELL I can absorb what he’s saying without wanting to take a nap 😴
Agreed!!!
I totally feel the same!😌🎧
I thought so too until I heard past the soothing voice to find an arrogant dick. Now it’s something I can’t unhear.
@@FingerBreakerWu totally same
Great man!
Do mathematicians and physicists actually do anything or just talk about college.
yes, they created the theories that allowed to build the device you are using to post this stupid comment. Just to name one.
@@ettorepedemonti9955 bravo
@@ettorepedemonti9955 i had no idea Thomas Edison, who invented affordable electric lighting and sound recording, was s mathematician.
OBRA MAESTRA
Cool stuff hes talkin about. Though i feel he could of been a bad ass wizard with his hand waving.
My wrists and ankles become jelly when i listen to this
One of the greatest minds of all time , Ray Kurzweil kicks your butt tho Granps 🎉
His MOUTH FARTS ARE SOOoo Delightful
" if somebody does something better than you, do not waste your time "
Right. In other words 100% competitive thinking! LOL.
asmr
Society of Mind
1:14:10. What will happen when the office disappears. Way ahead of the game.
AI well on irs way now Minsky one of the great funded minds
52:40
Minsky was the AI great thinker.
Except that he pushed back AI research quite a bit with his fundamentalism and misunderstanding of psychology. Many people, including "experts", even belief that an AI does exist, when it's just algorithms and computer learning (thought as problem solving like it is for animals).
Real genius...
No
Obviously Uncle Minsky knew nothing about sport. Good to actually find something he didn’t know about.
He figured sports out.
He determined there is really no point in spectating sports or the intense competition implied there in. I am so glad to have found someone who lived with the same theory.
Sounds like he knew too much about it.
He’s a little bias but knows what he’s talking about either way he’s brilliant great video I always listen to this video from time to time to go to bed
Wrestle him at 137 & down weight class ..HE WOULDA BEAT YO ASS
0:44 Great fart. Wonderful interview.
Great fart lolol
I think that was his jacket moving lol
Hiel the graphs and Analitic Geometric 1 arithmetics
He doesn’t compete because he fears of losing.He doesn’t compete yet he wants to be the best.
There is cowardice in that - oh the proud infallible human is quite cute, until...
Computational Universe Biology - Without shaping of numerical problem solving in machine learning we would not have life on this planet. I guess by making some calculations more difficult than others. You get that certain splits that work better than others. To get 100% accuracy on all problems we need to adapt calculations towards life objects. So for a ML math function you need the mouth or model.eval() and eyes or model.input() and so on. Thats my guess. Its evolutionary math. If you know where the universe puts in difficulties in the calc. process you know when to split the function in solving the problem. I guess this is cell division by computational forces of the universe. Wow // Per Lindholm
There is no 100% accuracy in math.
@@Nowhy A bit old post. I meant calculation is about 100% accuracy and ways to get to it. 100% sucess is another problem. We have a computer CPU that is 100% almost. Nature also needs DNA to 100% accurate so if you change DNA everything start to fall apart //Per
How it feels to chew 5 react gum. 2:51
Someone smart please explain how a basketball score discrepancy of a few points out of a couple hundred is not a standard distribution. If NBA games are commonly won within a few points, why should the sigma be broader?
It shouldn’t. It’s obvious he tried unsuccessfully to participate in athletics. He seems bitter. He’s use to being awesome at intellectual pursuits and has had great success. Failing at another endeavor made him spiteful. His remarks regarding the purpose of sports are particularly revealing. Oh well. Nobody’s perfect. He was a smart man and contributed to the advancement of human technology, which I guess is good. If you think that sort of tech is good for us. Sometimes I have deep doubts about that. Certainly makes it easy for the government to keep track of us all. 😮😮😮
@@Rcd872 I’m just wondering if I’m misunderstanding what he’s talking about. I never took a statistics class.
The difference engine!!!
love your comment
I was listening to this to fall asleep but I can’t stop watching it. I have to turn the video off.
Good. In. RPA. Emotion machinr
It's no longer honourable to proclaim that you studied at Harvard, just ask that woman who ran the marketing for Budweiser.
Relevance?
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asmr combo! interviewer and interviewed.
Journalist "So it's harder to get stuck ..." M.M. "You're almost forced to get stuck ... yeah" . I sense a disconnect lol.
He looks like Que (Wheeljack) from Transformers DOTM.
"None of the large companies did much for computers, it was all hackers here and there and their ideas gradually filtered up." 24:27
What is the next book Marvin wrote 20 years after the society of minds?
Zhiyong Wang I think it is the book titled “The Emotion Machine” , 2006
One you shouldn’t bother reading. Lol
1:00:03 that is called Buddhism.
@ 53:36 Psychology should be more classification rather than reductionism to laws.
Yes, that man had little intellectual integrity.
He needed some water.
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"But the kids were mostly jocks of various sorts" 😅😅
What does that mean? That they were jocks?
@@snookerjam athletes
Minsky: There’s no 2nd place in math. Also Minsky: Hates sports because he couldn’t be in 1st place.
Proves his point for why he didn’t want to do either.
@@Johnxxxxxxx But he did get hip deep into Math and made the arrogant declaration that he thought he was slow, but was surprised how everyone else was slower than him. He just wanted to be the best at something and the the things he couldn’t be were pedestrian and base.
Monkey Mutant Boss The comment he made about how people were slower than him, if I recall correctly, is taken a bit out of context. I might be wrong, but I thought that comment was in reference to his classmates at the science school in New York he went to, where he observed that people at Harvard were slower than his previous classmates, not necessarily himself. Also, he did eventually get heavily involved in mathematics, but this was much later chronologically than when he made that observation about his classmates at Harvard.
Jealous
I’m responsible for the other half 😂
53:00
It seems an active goal does change the future. The future can be imagined. Completing a grocery list... then shop
3:03 Ha - he doesn't want to say their names.