Something's OFF with HYBE's Vocal Training... ft illit, le sserafim

Their boygroups are insane LIVE, from Bigbang > Winner > iKOn > Treasure. Always better than their studio versions.

i agreee

​@lulukeran2020 yoon for example, taeyang, june...like they exist for their talent

@@lulukeran2020 yes, I agree. 💯

This is my favorite vocal in each group. Bigbang: GD, Taeyong, Dae Sung 2NE1: Park Bom Blackpink: Rose iKON: Jay, June WINNER: Yoon AMKU: both ❤❤

Which is way better, obviously the training system has to be healthy. But at least let their talent develop before you put them out there.

Marinate😂. Sounds like they're making kimchi

Same as YG

I agree with SM N YG way of work.. Doing plastic is normal... But to get voice and great vocal is ability

​@@devilsabelbel9268 AGREEDDD!!!

Fact: SM are the one that started the "trainee system" Always Remember: SM are the blueprint of Kpop.

How about aespa lol ☺️

@@jallorinajohnreyt.1763 dude bffr. I used to doubt aespa singing live too but did you not watch their encores and coachella videos?

Training doesn't actually mean they are constantly training their artists for years to debut. Many trainees are already very talented vocally because otherwise how would they even pass auditions? A few months to fine tune any skills they lack vocally would be enough, if at all. Artists in the west rarely are given "vocal lessons" after they've signed a deal with a label. The talent is already there. The people who need vocal lessons have been signed/selected for something other their vocals, which is how we're at the situation we are with Le Sserafim.

@@jallorinajohnreyt.1763they can all sing though

whaaaat when was dara considered a stylistic vocalist?? I'm korean and I remember Park Bom being the main vocalist + stylistic vocalist (bcuz of her powerful and unique voice). Park bom was such a sensation back in the day, she was literally the jennie before jennie happened lollll (not fashion wise but everyone went home early to watch her on '2ne1 Tv' after school). Everyone knew her solo songs You & I and Don't Cry. It's sad but Dara was always criticized for her lack of skills compared to the other members :/

@@Hotcheetos777 Dara wasn’t much a strong vocalist but she has unique tone (tone that is similar to bang ye dam, taeyang, Justin Bieber and and the likes) even though she doesn’t have much technique compared to the others. People does often uses her, taeyang, rose as example of YG stylistic vocal when compared to other company. Yes, Park Bom was sensational back then for her unique tone but I wouldn’t consider Park Bom just a stylistic vocalist as she had wide range. She can hit those high note with her bass voice and hold her note. Her voice was powerful like you said.

From beginning actually...the og (Big Mama, 1TYm etc.). Ppl really just look at the "rap" which is good but forgot about the vocal.....Yoon winner already wining so much mask singer.

yes.

Yes, don't dare question YGA's talent

Jisoo isn’t stable she sounds like a goat for a lead singer💀

and SNSD

you forgot the vocal queens themselves, MAMAMOO. for me, as I've seen these groups perform live, the most vocally stable among them with strong and quality vocals are EXO and MAMAMOO. These 2 groups do not sing, they SAAAAAANG!

​@@sweetbachiri8572listen to sure thing cover of bp she eat that one up proves haters wrong she was such a good singer

Nct

They called "13" (Score and Megatone) = Composer who plagiarizes habitually

Nj got popular with y2k they never made y2k.so magnetic is not some copy of nj

​@sabiaakthar1613 no we didn't say they copied NJ they copied NJ exact vibes even

​@sabiaakthar1613 no we didn't say they copied NJ they copied NJ exact vibes even

@@fatikook221 i do agree they overlap but concept wise anyone should be able to do it without being labelled as nj copies cos in end nj didnt create it

Yes. I always say this. Yg sets up their idols for long, successful careers. Even after their group is older and not as relevant anymore, which happens to every group at some point, they still have solo careers to lean on for the future. ALL of them. Not just one or two members from each group.

Exactly YG usually debuts trainees with 4-6 years training, special case for Chiquita and Pharita with 2 years trainee

LOUDER😂❤ Quality needs time. Also HYBE debuted 6 month trainee 😂 is no excuse. Chiquita babymon 3 months. Jaehyuk treasure 7 months. When they're ready and by YG standard only they debute.

YG takes a long time to debut groups for other reasons. It has nothing to do with training their artists.

@@hzznYG once said they don’t debut trainees until they’re ready. They’ll keep on evaluating. Look at all the ex YG trainees. They’re skilled than many debuted idols and many ex YG trainees are taking up main position after they move and debut in other companies. Trainees who debut after short term training period in YG are only those whom YG think they’re born to do this.

Definitely not a hater but as a bystander of YG music (meaning I listen to them, like some, but neutral to most), the reason why I can't fully enjoy the YG experience is the controversies that i hear about them. i can't really ignore it. it takes me out of the experience

@@sylvackerman6362 me too but at the same time, i dont really care. I just watch them when im bored and depressed. Helps me alot with my mental health right now.

@@enfp4950 Sure, that's cool too. It's just preferences, I guess.

Whenever someone had to define his artist, they always used to mention copyright Songs Of YG And even now there are many fans of the illit who call baby Monster's songs copy and not talent, they talk about music and copy to save their girl group..😢

@@SAVEGEREPLY82828.... copyright? you used the wrong term. it's copying their YG style from 2NE1 down to BABYMONSTER but I have no problem with that. Every KPOP company (except HYBE) has a distinct and "trademark" songs. YGE is more on HIPHOP. we all just jump straight to our guns of saying "it's copy paste again" when it should be YGE MUSIC all along that 1TYM, 2NE1 & BIGBANG popularized.

Well said... Bravo 🫡

Same, bad vocals can ruin a song (heavy autotune and computer pitch corrections sound awful) and limit a discography (idols lack of vocal skill can limit the variety of genres to sing )

I agree with you. Well said.

Yeah It's Minju

oh shut up

And that's MINJU, their only DECENT vocalist.

​@@thehannahroboto we won't. What ya gonna do about it lmao

​@@thehannahroboto LMAO someone mad in here, please take a drink 😂🍼

Actually no. Whatever you think. Hybe has become what it is now because of its formula. So obviously their formula works. At the end of the day, the music industry is still a business industry and Hybe topped them all.

Yeah but no. illit & LSRM. *COUGH COUGH***** what a shame. Ask them to take vocal lesson cuz them 2 group sounds like a dying turkey ngl 🤣😭🤣💀

Hybe top are u kidding what a shame ask your favorite artist bts they afraid BigBang 😂😂 just see interview

@@Mrspeejay But I'm talking about LIVE VOCALS and some hybe artist obviously lacks there

@@Mrspeejay the music industry may be a business, but it's a TALENT driven business -- specifically singing. yeah, they may have been doing well, but they need to show that their artists actually have talent in order to maintain their success. and if you've been paying attention the the public's sentiments as far as their artists "talent" is concerned, it's not going well for them.

This is so real it seems like companies are focusing more on looks rather than skill which is disappointing

Babymonster is currently the only hope I’m seeing in terms of talent and stage presence

⁠@@Bia_2307I would recommend seeing more groups like kiss of life, Young Posse, Unis, VVUP, they have really good talented members and good music, their not really popular but they sure sing live in all their performances( same goes for BM of course )

@@Bia_2307 nmixx and kiof are great too

Atleast their songs is good, thats all i can say

Song is good 😅😅😅😅

be know how to promote their groups and won’t let you sleep on their group unlike some company who sleeping on their own groups. People can Hate Hybe all they want but this is the truth. I see many group with great potential but they somehow go down hill because their company don’t know how to promote them. Look at fifty fifty. They come from unknown companies but their song is over internet

@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 i mean i get what what you mean but fifty fifty kinda did that to themselves lmao

@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 its not based on promotion when it comes to hybe lol. Any groups that are in hybe will all get noticed cause they are the same company as BTS like how every artist in the big3 will always get famous. its the truth, fans mostly korean netizens focus more on hybe label artists thats why they are more well known in korea more than international. The big companies have money to promote them well unlike to small companies thats why people notice more about the big3 and hybe artists. Another reason is cause they are in the big3 and hybe, so fans have more high expectation of them cause they are in good companies. So its not even mainly based on promotion but cause of money and expectations and the company they are in.

jumping and shouting 😂

Biar peminat yang menyanyi kpop idol hanya menari saja 😂

You can go any YG group concert you will experience everything unlike other company group.

Hahahaha that's true

well i went to BTS concert being a bandwagoner of their fame and found myself watching them sing live like 20-30% of the entire concert, If I only knew I'll be hearing a backing track I should 've just spent that VIP ticket money for a 3 day beach staycation. But of course their fans did not mind and will never mind.

well said

This isn't a new phenomenon. Labels have often fallen into this. It's a money grab - find some attractive artists, give them some catchy songs, rake in the money. The problem is, what's the long-term for these artist/groups? People who are attracted to the "new" and "catchy", don't form lasting attachments to any particular artist/group, they just move on to "What's next!". For instance, I bet that a lot of these new Illit fans used to be just as hyped about New Jeans or Le SSerafim, but now... This is particularly unfair to the artists who are being used to line the pockets of studio execs. TikTok doesn't sell albums or pack stadiums or sell merch, and that's where the real money is. This is short-sighted greed.

be know how to promote their groups and won’t let you sleep on their group unlike some company who sleeping on their own groups. People can Hate Hybe all they want but this is the truth. I see many group with great potential but they somehow go down hill because their company don’t know how to promote them. Look at fifty fifty. They come from unknown companies but their song is over internet

The only group stand above all in Hybe is BTS. I don’t mean to sound I’m looking down on other groups or artists in Hybe but I guess this is the only option for Hybe to play with since BTS on hiatus. This is what happened when a company relies on a particular group only just like YG on Blackpink before this. But seeing that the approach of this has change & hopefully it gets better for all. Peace no hate. I luv y’all.

​@@dexterc.fernandez7417yg rely on not only BP. They have other talented groups as well. BP is too big though. YG have frontiered Kpop scene with their talented artists like Bigbang, 2ne1, ikon, winner, treasure, and akmu... They are all successful.

Yup like where is the 2,516 points in digital go? That's the only reason why BM got in the final counting. Even the physical BM have more points than illit last week but now it's dropped

You shouldn't be surprised with this as this has been happening for many years. Why do you think YG didn't send Blackpink to music shows anymore?

They keep wining though and baby monster keeps losing. Why why why

@@huyquoctran2088 that's the same with bombayah if they didn't switch to whistle they would not win the first music showcase. The era of song liking back then in BP is deferent than today majority of new fans specially in Korea Y2K is a trend for today's era. 👀

@@huyquoctran2088 maybe Baby Monster went too hard on the monster theme with the horns. I did encounter a number of reactors that really did not like the horns and the religious implications.

I think people were "forced" to invent the word "Big 4" for HYBE because BTS got so massive.

And I cannot pass that, once adquired, they have disbanded great group with good vocalists as Gfriend and Nu'est

@@haternumberfive nah its true, big 3 were called the big 3 cause they contributed a lot to the kpop industry ever since the first gen not because one of their group got big

@@butterflyyyyxxx I thought its litetal. big 3. the 3 biggest companies that develop and manage kpop artists. and hybe became the 4th when bts got big and so is the value of the company.

​@@haternumberfivenah. The Big 3 developed the Kpop industry. SM started the group of idols. YG incorporated rap into kpop and started the girl crush concept and JYP added complex choreography and charms into kpop. That's how they became the Big 3. Not because of their company being big and rich.

So true. Like I won't pay for tickets when I know how are they gonna sing on stage. YG's strategy is straight forward. They don't give their artists hard choreography, do it simple but with simple choreography their stage presence is one of the best in whole kpop industry. YG can be a trash company for me for it's management but when it comes to produce idols, perfect idols they are best no argument here

I think YHS being an idol himself knows how important it is to do well on live stages. Studio tracks can be tweaked but live performances are real-time. The audience can easily tell if you are doing a half-assed job. So he works on building their stage presence and their vocal abilities. But management-wise, he sucks.

You have explained it well! Same strategy they do wd treasure and look at them now. Domes being sold out just for fan meet!

Yeah that makes sense, but where is a 2,516 digital points go before the show?🤣

Something fishy is going on with the voting whenever hybe is involved ngl. But as I said, we see from the korean charts that the gp are also starting to root and acknowledge babymonster because they’re also sick of only seeing pretty faces so babymonster will only continue to grow. As for illit, their growth and future success sadly depends only on the producers work.

VERY TRUEEEEE

​@otpships8439 omg fr !!

Exactly. I think people tend to misconstrue YG for not emphasizing vocal prowess when the fact of matter is that they do. For being a hip-hop oriented company they factually pay a lot of attention to vocal unlike popular belief. They had debuted vocal divas such as Gummy and Lee Hi and the group Big Mama. For group wise, YG tend to focus on balance meaning each member has a specific role to play whether it vocal prowess or stylistic or rapper. In each group YG debuted, there is a vocal prowess (ex. Big Bang’s Daesung, 2NE1’s Park Bom, Winner’s Yoon, iKon’s June, Treasure’s Jeong Woo and stylistic vocalist such as Big Bang’s Taeyang, 2NE1’s Dara, Treasure’s Bang Ye Dam, Black Pink’s Rose). It’s just that their stylistic vocalists are more known.

it's the fact that YG chose talent over visual which is what we want , like even if it takes a long time to debut a group from YG at least all those times they focus more on their trainees talents

I'm new YG stan ..can you please recommend me BigBang Song i really like to listen to them ?! Ikon and winner also

@@user-fe7kx4tu4udepending on what you like.. for example if you like hype music there is Big Bang’s Fantastic Baby, Bang Bang Bang, etc. For vibing there is Big Bang’s Haru Haru, Loser, Lies, Last Farewell, Blues, Bad Boy, Monster; Winner’s Empty, Everyday, Really Really; IKon’s Love Scenarios, Killing Me. For solo wise, definitely check out TOP’s Doom dada; GD’s Crayon, A Boy, Coup d’etat, Who You, Crooked; Mino’s Fiancé

@@user-fe7kx4tu4uI don’t know why my first reply to you was deleted… anyway as I was saying… definitely check out Big Bang’s Hara Haru, Lies, Loser, Blue, Bad Boy, Bang Bang Bang, Fantastic Baby. For Winner is Empty, Everyday, Really Really, Ikon Love Scenario, killing me and etc.

Yap.nct wish main vocalist also can do rap.they should watch lastart all their trainee are so good.

This is what the SM and YG separates from other idols cause SM and YG idols are ARTISTS, the rest are just idols..

Wooh you are such a hater of BTS but guess what they rule the entire pop industry in terms of groups. Not only in kpop. So the earlier you realise that and stop hating on them. The better it will be for your peace and tranquillity. By the BTs is now days also ruling in solo category. Fact check.

@@luzindaausi9412You must have problem in reading comprehension. Did she even hate BTS? No matter how famous or big BTS is their vocalists have always been criticised for not able to sing live. If you want your fav group to be known for their talent then all the members should be talented. Not just the main vocalist and rappers. Pledis is the only label in hybe ( which was also bought by hybe ) who’s debuting skilled idols. Imagine hybe 4th and 5th gen groups are criticised everyday for their skill by gp and non-hybe fans.

@@Mikasaxx0 Then my friend you are so dense. And the problem lies in your comment that" BTS has been criticised for not being able to sing live". Bro or whatever you call yourself, you should know by now the difference between constructive criticism and criticising someone out of malice, envy or to spite them. Now let me school you, first of all it is was totally out of context for the person who earlier wrote the original comment about generally all hybe artists including BTS not being able to sing or have no talent except the artists from pledis which is also under hybe. This is because the video under which she made that comment was only relating to the singing/ talent issues of the girl groups under hybe . so it was out of context for her to talk about or reference BTS in her comment. She should have limited her criticism to the girl groups. Secondly, you sound pathetic to even say that BTS have been criticised for not being able to sing live. In your brain the guys have been in business for 12 years now and you seriously believe that such criticism is constructive/ valid as if they haven't appeared on award shows or concerts. Thirdly even the so called artists from the defunct big three companies as they used to call them although now they have to accept that it is a fact that hybe is the biggest of them all, that at times the artists of Sm, Yg & Jyp also sound out of tune or flat in some of their live performances but it is fine as this also happens to other great singers like Whitney, Mariah & Adele. But such a moment or moments cannot infer that they can't sing live. The same happens to BTS guys. But then for someone especially online to criticise BTS guys that they can't sing live and to prove it they bring out that clip looks silly and malicious .

Everyone knows that something is sus but some are indenial. I mean how can you have a #1 on kcharts when in live voting you have 8% compare to 92%

@@ceeyou_canny 💯 I feel like hype is doing all they can to block baby monster cause once they sing live encore and they kill it, it will only validate how bad illit live encore is

Me too. I switch my Spotify account to not premium one and the auto play makes me sick. I understand the algorithm but always prioritizing hybe group songs is insane. And it happens to alot of people too

​@@ronaldpaekthat's what i thought too. They are already getting backlash left and right and babymonster encore will just put their group to their right place 😭

@@asdfghjk2019 we all know they gaming the system with payola 😤

Honestly, I’m not sure if it’s worth such a long wait. Like 6 years of training for another 6 years of fame? Seems unfair to me. Either allow your idols to have longer careers or maybe don’t marinate them for so long. And the saddest thing is, that once they debut, they don’t release many songs at all, which I thing is really sad. I don’t say release a new song every few month, but maybe release a longer album every year or two? Like more similar to what western artists do, when they have a long track list of songs

@@anikadelabajo759 i completely understand you. But yg having them training so long cus when they apply to be a trainees they're usually 13~15 some even younger than that. (BigBang GD and Taeyang was basically child when got into yg) We see with blackpink/baby Monster and so on. But yahh yg artists are known for release less songs compared to other company, if u knew ygfan u prolly don't like it. But me personally I like that cus they're not overworking themselves.

7 years Baby Monster debuted after Blackpink, now I wonder how many years the new YGBG will debut after Treasure hahah Treasure is now going to their 4th year this year. I guess, the YGNBG will probably debut next year or in two years once Treasure reached their 6th year or 6th anniversary. Because when it comes to boys' idol groups, started from Big Bang, Winner debuted after Big Bang in 5 years, while iKON debuted 6 years after BB. Then came Treasure, 6 years after iKON. So maybe, the new ygbg will debut in the next two years. This is just my theory, so yeah hahah

@@shimchim9571 However, they do work their artists to concerts ALOT though hahaha

@@ukiss4ever7 yesss. That's one thing I also noticed.

And shut out for kiss of life agency because it facilitates kiss of life members to show their talents, like promoting live singing on many radio stations, finding lots of good songs that suit the members' singing and rap styles, and this is the first time I like idols not from big3 agencies but because their songs are really good & live singing was exactly like recording ver. i was very surprise when watch them singing their song in circle music award i guess, they are sing Kiss of life - BYE MY NEVERLAND & i already watch it like 100X cus so so so good. & sugarcoat, shhh, bad news, nobody knows, says it, midas touch, nothing was 🔥

So true

Exactly 👏🏻

🤣

Ia njir Mereka menang terus setiap acara musik. Kasihan grub yang nyanyi dan dance lebih kece dari mereka...

GB hybe overrated bjirr iya sih lagu-lagunya enak bagus but their skills--😢

NAMANYA JUGA CURANG. HYBE KAN PAYOLA SAMA MEDIA PLAY

lmao "can't handle". You seem to forget that blackpink's music was (still is) a sensation and most of their music is 'strong music'. It's just that the music trend nowadays is easy-listening music. And koreans seem to not like the actual songs, they have nothing against BM (they claim that since it's not teddy producing them their songs sound bad)

Cause the song sound cringe to some people, for me I have to get drunk a bit to enjoy the song lol especially whenever yg writing eng lyrics for the song it's alway took me out

​@@Hotcheetos777 i remembered blackpink and their song wasn't that famous in korea. they were famous internationally when they were new/rookie and up to now. if they were to choose blackpink or twice, they'd choose twice (mostly). so i can say it's the same as babymonster and illit.

Gidle literally sang "Fking TOMBOY" and broke the PAK record and then again with "NUDE". How are those for cutie teens music lol

@@iamuugawei brooo what? I'm korean and bp's songs were famous 😮 if you watch their stage at the university festival you'll know what i mean. They didn't chart 1st place just 2 weeks after debut for no reason.

so now they're not talented? wow y'all are so toxic. i am done with this channel.

No one's forcing you to watch ​@@thehannahroboto

And yes honesty none of hybe girl groups are as talented as the ones from big 3 period....go argue with the wall

​@@thehannahrobotohere's a penny go talk to somebody BYE

@@thehannahroboto toxic? Lmao that's truth for you people

Do not worry. This has happened in the past too. Now, it is raising its head again, taking advantage of the relaxation of restrictions. The first generation was such a mess. If entertainment agencies continue to act like this, Koreans will be the first to get angry. We are a people who are very critical. The reason why such difficult trainee days occurred in the past was because of the mess of the first generation, which resulted in huge criticism from people, and a measure was taken to force all broadcast appearances to be live unconditionally. The result was the golden age of the second and third generations. If the 4th generation continues to appear like this, we will take special measures again. Criticism against them is already boiling over in Korea.

Because they know very well, that their tours bring them most of the money. No wonder their making perfect performers that sell out all stadiums

Yeah but they are sucks at making songs. I listen to baby monster songs and it’s either too nosy or boring. Yes they can sing but if your song is sucks people won’t want to listen to it

@@moonlightpaw5868 well yeahh for you it sucks because you have your own perspective, respect tha,t but not for the millions yg stans and babymonster fans, btw Hope you listen to the sheesh making documentary,,thank u🙂

"I'm harsh to you because the public is even more harsh" - YHS to Big Bang pre-debut.

@@onlydbrasko I think he also said that to Winner and iKON as well. As for Treasure and Baby Monster, these kids probably understands hahah But YG was actually also harsh with Treasure, although not as harsh as to with Big Bang due to being his first idol boy group, and Winner/iKON due to the high expectations from people, but he was too hahah But with Baby Monster though, he was quite soft-hearted with the girls which was surprising but also fascinating, however, the expectations were expectantly high too.

@@ukiss4ever7 He told Winner regarding their songwritng: "you're not automatically going to be successful just because you're a YG artist." lol like dayamn.

@@onlydbrasko Yeah, I remembered that too.

​@@ukiss4ever7 BM is understandable because the girls are basically around the age of his daughter. So it's not really a surprise there.

The only they had gfriend . But can't handle them

@@tamilk-popfanboy8025AND FROMIS_9. HYBE loss a BIG WIN for disbanding gfriend and not giving much attention to fromis_9 who are like the only gg in HYBE that is carrying vocals/and live singing rn. Like gfriend was such a good group was known for their songs/ singing/ live vocals/ and for their synchronize in dancing😭📉

They do have actually one which will debut soon, Katseye

Hybe focuses on easy listenable songs that doesn't require a huge amount of skills and talents.

comparing illit to newjeans is crazy lol, newjeans was out for almost 2 years they had a lot of raw vocals shown on their vlogs, a lot of covers of different songs and live singing vids. "struggle for lives" lmfao

@@ksjsjhss3475 NJ encore we haven’t forgotten that. Singers must be able to sing right and there. Fans like you have made hybe lazy.

@@Mikasaxx0 newjeans on top, new mv and debut vid all positive comments atm, cry me a river. Keep on living in the past

@@Mikasaxx0newjeans encores are legendary for great vocals. I so Hanni, Hyein and Danielle

I agree

NMIXX is so underrated. They are so talented in all categories for idol. Love them so much, i hope they get more love in the future❤

Nah….I don’t think people will stop likening kpop anytime soon. There are more group other than Hybe groups. Why you think Hybe group represents K-POP?

Some fans just bulk buy album to make their idol number one. This is how kpop work.

Apparently, HYBE must be filled with yes-men internally(management) and externally (fans) because the attitude LSRFM girlies are showing amidst these controversies is not it.

Well, the only thing this means is that she’s naturally more gifted or has received a lot of private vocal training before

Because chiquita is talented already and she’s already into kpop dance and vocals since she was young… just like Bambam and Lisa she is also part of a group that does a dance cover. Prior senior thai idols open its door for her and serves as her one of motivation.

I think that's one factor. As if they can replace bp. Blackpink is not just a group but already a brand

Blackpink and bts. The fact that nj fans are dragging bp bec they don't have daesang meanwhile their faves already have one..but what they can't understand is 3rd gen era has the most incredible group line up, the peak of kpop and produced the biggest boy and girl group in the world up to this date and the competition were tough especially if you are competing with bts that has the biggest fanbase. NJ will look like a mid kids if they debut in 3rd gen 😂

NO, their encore stage of today was sadly still not very good. These girls are rookies, I know. But as seen with le sserafim, hybe doesn’t really take improvement much in consideration. Which is why people are already concerned for their future.

@@makeitright3810 can you all stopped mentioning Lessarafim. I’m not even their fan but I’m tired of all the criticism that they are getting just bcs of few bad clips. And just bcs of their bad encore performance doesn’t mean that they are bad. I’ll suggest you this KZhead channel called zeldagger, there you can clearly see and hear Lessarafim girls are singing live and doing great and even crowds are hyping with them. I don’t find anything wrong with them though. Go and watch their performance on that channel and stop mentioning them again. As for illit they are doing great as compared to their first encore performance. Just accept the fact. And these ntz are using this payola words for reasons against hybe.

Damn kpop fan today have a very very low standard it seems like everything is fine that's why artists is somewhat downgrading and becoming bad and bad. Yes maybe it's not that bad after many times but it's still not looking good specially with a very easy song. I'm sorry I think my standards are high cuz I come from older generation that can sing even with choreography maybe that's on me.😅

It doesnt matter. If an idol debut, that mean that the compagny deem that they were ready for the job. Which mean that they should be able to sing an encore without issues. For example, Blackpink had their first encore like 13 days after debuting. The girls were emotional and crying in that stage. And yet, they still were able to sing well their own song. And i am taking Blackpink as an example because i keep seeing online how some new kpops fans think that the girls are "untalented". So if an "untalented" group like Blackpink can do it, so can every rookie ever.

@@Hatelover89 y’all are so damn scared to give some simple criticism. Just straight up denying as if everything that isn’t complimentary is bad to say. And I’m indeed bringing them up cause they’re related to the companies pattern.

True 😊😊❤️