It's Time To Admit That Odyssey Is Better Than Origins
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The mid-point of the "RPG Trilogy" of the series sees us exploring ancient lands of myth and legends in Greece, arguabley the least Assassin's Creedy game in the series. It's my first time playing it, so where will it land in my on-going ranking of the entire series?
Assassin's Creed Odyssey is a 2018 action role-playing video game developed by Ubisoft Quebec and published by Ubisoft. It is the eleventh major installment in the Assassin's Creed series and the successor to 2017's Assassin's Creed Origins. Like its predecessor, the game features a large open world and adopts many elements from the role-playing genre, putting more emphasis on combat and exploration than stealth. Naval combat from previous titles in the series also plays a prominent role in Odyssey. The game's plot tells a mythological history of the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta from 431 to 422 BC. Players control a Spartan mercenary, who fights on both sides of the conflict as they attempt to find their family and eliminate the mysterious Cult of Kosmos. Odyssey also continues the story arc of Layla Hassan, a major character introduced in Origins, who relives the mercenary's memories through the Animus device to find a powerful artifact.
Development of the game commenced shortly following the release of Assassin's Creed Syndicate in 2015. Following in the footsteps of Origins, Odyssey facilitated the transition of Assassin's Creed into a series of action role-playing games by introducing player-choice mechanics. Compared with other games in the series, Odyssey has a larger focus on historical mythology, and a smaller focus on the conflict between the Assassins and Templars, which is the central narrative element present in most Assassin's Creed games. Throughout the game's development, the team was inspired by other contemporary RPG titles including The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, and Fallout 4. The music of the game was composed by The Flight.
Odyssey was released worldwide for PlayStation 4, Windows, and Xbox One on October 5, 2018. It received generally positive reviews from critics, with praise for its gameplay, graphics, characters, role-playing elements, and world design, but was criticised for its overambitiousness, pacing, and the inclusion of microtransactions. The prioritization of role-playing mechanics over traditional Assassin's Creed elements also drew a mixed response from critics and players. Odyssey was a commercial success, selling over 10 million copies worldwide by March 2020. Ubisoft supported the game with several releases of downloadable content, including two story expansions-Legacy of the First Blade and The Fate of Atlantis. Odyssey was followed in November 2020 by Assassin's Creed Valhalla, which features a historical setting in medieval England and Norway during the Viking expansion across Europe and which concludes Layla's story arc.
In my mind oddysey is a masterpiece. The adventures you get to go on are just amazing! Glad you like it 😊
Definitely agree with this. Odyssey has been for me like living another life in a mythical ancient time…
Odyssey was awesome, felt like a return to black flag in some ways. This game was amazing, and even the Isu stuff was really cool.
@@leeroynaggins so true you play on nice big monitor on maximum settings,and its absolutely breathtakingly beautiful.You can get lost in this game for hours just doing some irrelevant stuff and kill some week enemies
@@Spasanchezzz02thats what youy do in every game
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Having played every assassins creed, most of them twice, Origins takes the cake for me.
Yeah me to, the main characters in Odyssey were about as interesting as dried bread or laundry day
Same here. I've come to like odyssey for what it is. Just have to not take the story or the characters seriously and instead the world. Also the cosmetics but origins really does take the cake.
@@Saber23 I donno, Odyssey is filled with colorful characters. There’s that guy who always shows up for a shag with Kassandra not to mention all the other lovers she meets along the way. One of my favorites is the big, boisterous pirate lady on the island who sends Kassandra on all kinds of adventures. Loved her. And who can forget her buddy Socrates. I get a kick out of every time she runs into him. And Kassandra herself has a good sense of humor and a dry wit that keeps the adventure fun.
@@leeroynaggins everything you mentioned is just you being horny and then 1 good character, Kassandra herself doesn’t have dry wit she’s just dry full stop bud, when you compare that to the amount of characters in Origins the latter still comes out on top even though it’s not the best AC game by any means
@@Saber23 Well, you’re probably right about that first part anyway…
Odyssey and it's dlc were some of the most fun I've ever had in a video game
Yeah...Played ODYSSEY 3000 hours...
Main Story✅ DLC's🤮❌
Absolutely loved Odyssey, apart from whatever wrong with the story, just to roam around Ancient Greece and as you said, visit places you’ve been. Probably spent about 20 hours doing that. Great video mate 👊
After starting Valhalla I think I can safely say that Odyssey is the best game in the series to just exist in. I really hope Nexus let's us just wander around the map, even if it's just a few cities.
I also loved playing as a man because i am a man. I hate playing as girls.
yikes, your masculinity is so weak that you get so mad about playing a video game
My issue is Odyssey didn’t improve on mechanics origins introduced, instead they blew them out of proportion. Prime example being looting the same armor over and over again and level locking armor, picking up the exact same gear multiple times just for the stats to be slightly higher made looting feel so pointless. I feel Valhalla improved on it the right way by making every armor unique and having to invest in it to upgrade the stats.
Yeah valhalla made some subtle and underappreciated changes. I loved that you could pretty much have the same set of stuff the entire game, customized to your playstyle, and just keep upgrading and changing its appearance if you get bored. And it was cool that finding loot usually required a simple environmental puzzle to get to...still better than just walking into a room and opening a chest. And the actual loot itself was much more useful. Instead of a duplicate or inferior item, they were generic resources you could use to upgrade anything you want
Wait a minute, was there ever a doubt about that??? Personally, the only flaw Odyssey has is the "Assassin's Creed" tag that's been slapped to its title. Other than that, it was a GOTY contender.
As a father I am biased towards Bayek. That said, I prefer Origins, but understand if people like odyssey more.
Odyssey is such a pleasure to play I can't wait to revisit it. Absolutely everything in that game is beautiful and I wish it had a first person mod and a big bonus to it is that it teaches you history!
Yep. It’s a work of absolute genius. When I jump in that game, I feel like I’m in another world…
Yeah...Played ODYSSEY 3000 hours...
Evie would've been awesome as the only character in syndicate but origins story is good and bayek is on of my favorite characters
Legacy of the first blade is one of the DLC’s you get the hidden blade, and you literally hunt ancients. It’s explained as group that started in Persia, and has not made it to the Greek world just yet until the DLC.
As someone who played this game for close 8k hours and counting, I can tell you that if you bothered with the right armor and engravings, by the time you reach around level 80 you can one shot anyone on nightmare difficulty.
8,000 hours? That's crazy. Tell me you got all trophies.
@@octolockg5059 all trophies and 100%
How many actual hands-on hours?…
@@Lucpol1986 8065 as of yesterday
Whaaat...8k hours you sleeping with ODYSSEY broo...
The main thing I liked more about origins was the death corridor scenes. Most of those went hard in origins. The combat is 100x better in odyssey
I think the combat in oddysey is terrible the damage sponge enemies are horrible
@@parkwaydrivebeast18for real. The stealth gameplay was snappier and more fun in Odyssey, but the awkward parrying and braindead button mashing was absolutely not. Origins did hand to hand combat way better than Odyssey.
I liked odyssey but had to change my mindset to it being a Greek simulator and it was fine. I liked the sailing and open seas. But I’m bias because I love Ancient Greece and it’s aesthetic.
I agree, the 3 RPG games definitely require a change of headspace to get the most out of them.
There was an exotic set that when equipped gave like a 200%+ assassin damage but -80% health, that shit was fire for assasinating higher-than-me level targets
Origins is my favorite world they've ever made. There's just something special about it beyond the usual high bar. The world feels like it's really turning, the atmosphere, the imaginative interpretation...but odyssey is just a far more fun game for me. The story, the role playing is all lovely, partying with Socrates etc , the hunted system, the cultists system. It's a complete action RPG adventure whereas origins has a beautiful world, a good levelling system and charismatic lead duo ....but the rest of it is pretty middling by comparison. Odyssey does have a lot of filler, but there's so much quality you can just focus on that. However on a second playthrough, I did find the exp levelling way too slow and was extorted into buying that awful booster.
You know, it's funny, the way you explained how the hidden blade and Hidden Ones should have linked Odyssey to Origins is...kind of how the Legacy of the First Blade DLC plays out. It's not as explicit, but your outline could be used to describe how the DLC plays out, and it does, in fact, link to Origins.
Ah, well maybe I'm not as clever as my mum keeps telling me I am. I've only seen summary videos on it so other than the blade being the one given to Bayek, despite being about 3 times the size in that cinematic, I didn't realise there was any direct connection to Origins.
You dont have to pay off your bounty every time, the game shows you in your map who's placed the bounty and youre able to assassinate them. Much less expensive, much more fun
I thought so too ..... And the Spear of Leonidas is a far superior assassination weapon than those awkward wrist things ..... Climb the wall in Athens and then do a lap around it learning how to do running assassinations which when perfected allow you to barely slow down and the animations are really good. When Kassandra/Alexios gets close they throw the spear into their chest and as they run by the reach around and grab it and pull it through without stopping. I took some really good photos of how this mechanic works which isn't easy to do. There are other good spear assassination animations like when she sticks it through, grabs it coming out their chest and bending the over backwards and then stomping on their chest to pull the spear the rest of the way through. Or the one where she sticks it through their ears, grabs both ends and twists to break their neck.
No it’s not
"those awkward wrist things" would have in actuality a lot more practicality for assassins than a big ass flashy spear that you have constantly on your back. It was invented for a reason. But whatever makes you happy.
Those awkward wrist things huh? I see someone didn't play ac games from the very first title and so not into its lore...
@@the_seer_0421it is definitely not practical in any way lol. Main reason being it literally could not function the way it does in the game if it were a thing in the real world. But besides that, there's also the dumb idea of having a blade that could accidentally pop out and sever a finger or injure someone you're touching. The spear is far more practical and logical.
@@Zack-vi7is So you think a massive spear head that everyone can see is more practical for an assassin than a hidden blade... Yeah, good luck hiding in plain sight with that one.
While I also prefer Odyssey over Origins, I didn't find your reasoning very good, considering is at the end of the video where you give your general impression as to why rather than the indepth comments you tend to give. Also, I think the 1st and 2nd DLC of Odyssey literally addresses your suggestion of mixing Odyssey to Origins, with the 1st one exploring the ideas of the Creed and the hidden blade, while the 2nd expanding the first civilization stuff. I don't think these stories are Masterpieces, and AC is the last franchise I would think of great stories, but I guess there's more good than bad here.
You think Kassandra's voice acting was bad? (I don't.) Wait until you hear Mirage's Basim. BTW: Just finished a full Odyssey playthrough (including all DLC) in about 200 hours (bought that Gold edition for 14 euro).
I think in terms of characters, it’s better (well designed compared to the other rpg games of the series). Also the expressions are not mechanic as Valhalla in which you can see the animations randomly being repeated even when it doesn’t match the context
Odyssey might have fared better if it was seen as a side AC game. like say, Mercenary's Creed.
its really funny hearing how everyone ends up w a one-person at dinner ending bc i honestly just stumbled into the full-family dinner by trying peace first everytime 😅 esp hearing how hard it is to win over deimos i honestly thought i couldnt but tried anyway and apparently i made all the right choices
Odyssey is a masterpiece, you can literally travel across the whole Greece.
It's kind of a mini Greece :).
But origins is set in the entirety of egypt
The thing that bugged me the most about Odyssey was its lazy world design. So many filler copy/paste locations it's not even funny, without even a single ounce of worldbuilding connected to them. It made the world feel lifeles and without purpose, it really broke my immersion.
People who diss on Odyssey, most of them haven't played it, Assassin's Creed always had a revenge plot, templar hunt and stealth, if you build your character for stealth, you will one shot, most of the criticism is unfair
After 200+ in Odyssey I can safely say.... It's so much worse than Origins. Too much junk, too much stuff that's so pointless. Just world filling bs for the sake of having to have content. Edit: I didn't even finish the Ancient Order story, got so tired of all the junk.
I’ve played odyssey, and I hate it.
@@Geekoo85You don't have to do stuff that you consider pointless. 200 hours is a silly amount of time to spend in a game you don't enjoy! 😂
@@fasteddyuk Who said I didn't enjoy it? Don't just assume things. Besides, yes it does. There's a plethora of branch quests you need to do to continue the story and a large portion is very tedious. The game is enjoyable, but unfortunately most quests are tedious and way too long towards the end.
Played it 3 times and forced myself to liking it but stil I think it's the biggest piece of dog sh*t (and not because of RPG stuff or unrealistic things I actually like origins and Valhalla)
A game that embodies the mythological essence of the Assassin's vs Templars dynamic, before the two factions were named as such (but not formed in its essentials), gets called "an AC game by name only" is probably the greatest, laziest, spoutings of dissonance by game reviewers (and some fans) made the past 10 years. Folks, get a clue!
As someone who dislikes the traditional ac games including mirage, imo the only ac games worth playing are odyssey, origins and Valhalla, i dont play games based on the series but based on gameplay and mechanics that i enjoy, the series is irrelevant, story is just a theme, a backdrop on a game world, but its the gameplay and mechanics that keep your attention, maybe its because i mostly play RPGs but i get no enjoyment from the traditional ac games while i love odyssey, origins and Valhalla
agreed i recently tried playing some older ac games and i couldnt get into it. combat is too basic its just counter and the kill. no special abilities. the assassinations are better admittedly but honestly was bored with even the ezio games. much prefer origins and odyssey. was disssapointed in Mirage felt like a DLC rather than a complete game and the graphics and locatiion was so dull.
@chrisroger4416 mirage is the one AC game I want to play but haven't gotten yet, but the only 3 AC games I've played are odyssey, origins and Valhalla, loved all three, but I never played the older games just because they never appealed to me, I hated that batman arkham style counter combat style, plus they weren't RPGs and I mostly play RPGs, never been big on stealth games unless they were part of a RPG
@@mathewhosier9739 yep same here i hate the combat from the old games so basic and repetitive. odyssey and origins are my favs. im relaying origins now and the graphics are honestly bettter than mirage almost. mirage i dont think you would like it but its only like 30 hours long. no side missions just main story and not much to do but try it as some of the missions are kinda fun
As fellow broke gamer, is it worth it to buy Valhalla Complete Edition which originally cost $140 for $23 from Epic Games Store?
Jesus Christ that's a hell of a discount! Personally I'd say that's worth it. I mean the Ragnarok DLC normally costs more than that by itself, so I'd say go for it!
This is my favorite assassins creed game in recent memory
I remember the combat being easy….until i reached the atlantis dlc.
Beautiful game in every respect. I thought it would be a very typical rehash of Hellan mythos, but it surprised me by delving into the lesser known events, and cultural history that began the decline of the thalassocracy around 430BC, into hegemony, and the first steps in Democracy which would slowly shift regional power through Persia and the Balkans, and ultimately rest within the Roman Republic before that was reorganised into an Imperial state. Its one of those games you just never want to leave. Even youtubers whom ran content on it seemed to really enjoy the game. My only gripe was that reliance on Herodotus, was very misleading. But otherwise I had very little problem with the game. It was very theatrical, and thats rare in this era of cinematic games. - I had much the same impression with ACIII complete come to think of it. As much as I enjoyed Black Flag & Syndicate immensely, they are much more cinematic outings.
I've always been torn on odyssey, part of me loves it and I had some unforgettable moments in it. But the bloat and grind in that game makes me hate it as well.
Earlier this year, I got AC Odyssey on sale with all the DLC content. The First Blade story is a lot like your idea with Xerxes and the first assassin. The story also has Kassandra eventually kind of settling down, having a family and giving up her mercenary career… until tragedy strikes, of course. There were some great moments and a very moving story. The other story, which I think is called Fate of Atlantis, is like a whole extra game. It puts the player in a completely mythic world of kingdoms ruled by different gods. For me, these kingdoms are a sight to behold. Heaven, hell, and a futuristic Atlantis that is one of the most amazing game environments I’ve ever explored… I’m still there in Atlantis. I took a break to play some other games, but I’ll return to wander around again soon…
If you really want to understand the mythology of the Isu then you really need to play Fate of Atlantis and pay attention to what you find and read in all the Repositories ... It tells the most complete history of "Eve", how her Isu lover helped her to escape and how her baby became the first Human-Isu hybrid which starts the bloodlines of Kassandra, Aya, Ezio, Kenway, right up to Desmond Miles ..... One of the biggest problems with the series is there has been a lack of a modern day member of that bloodline other than extremely brief references to William Miles but I don't think he is part of the bloodline, Desmond's mother was ..... The modern day storyline was pretty good up through AC3 but it really fell apart and had no logical progression since then.
@@longjohn526 This is a really good tip. I’m playing through Fate of Atlantis now so I’ll look for these. I’m assuming these Repositories are in the city of Atlantis itself. I just got there, so I’m not sure where to find them…
plus oddysey grants you the privillege of finding/buying armor with stats, you can buy outfits in origins but they just cost gold and make bayek look better, and you have to spend hours hunting, or grinding quests to fully upgrade your armor, and why does the hidden blade need an upgrade, no game ever untill origins had the option to upgrade the hidden blade (yes i know Kassanda and Alexios had the spear but you needed to kill the cultists in order to get shards to upgrade the spear)
Cassandra sounds like female Niko bellic & I am here for it.
I loved odyssey, but I loved origins more. bayeks character I felt was very well done. I also liked Valhalla. I really enjoyed mirage as well, my only complaint about mirage is how short the game was. Black flag and the ezio trilogy were my all time favorites. I don’t understand why there has to be such a black and white take on Assasins creed. the rpg and more linear based games are fine and I’m a fan of both. can’t wait for the rpg ac red game coming out
literally playing it now, just came to check something on youtube regarding an fsr 3 mod, then saw this fully agree... its awesome
Those stats... upgrading etc... armor.... it all can be upgraded or used properly and u can do some serious damage... makes a huge difference especially for those who like to play or not challenging difficulty settings as myself... and u can sell all not needed gear and trinkets abs have all the money you'll ever need
It's cool and weird to see people having completely opposite opinions about this franchise, I can see why you like Odyssey and your reasons are just, but personally I believe this game would have been better if it had little filler and Ubisoft wasn't money minded all the time
It's all subjective...but bayek is still my favorite protagonist in the series. I really cared about his storyline. And I am a sucker for anything about ancient egypt...I explored every pyramid, tomb...and its photo mode was by far the most I have used in any game
Origins was incredible but Odyssey was in a league of its own. These vids have popped up on my thread the last few days. I am going to have to have another play through!
Well to fix the exp is go where the island of the arena is do all the side quest
I do enjoy Odyssey, origins is possibly my favorite in the franchise. Odyssey I felt like it took me around 20 hours of game time before it really opened up for me Otherwise it felt even more level-gated than anything in origins. I also prefer the combat in origins, I prefer to having the shield and the Shield parrying system I think with this whole franchise though, gameplay and storytelling are of course important, but it can tend to be a bias towards preferred settings and time periods that can really make people enjoy these more than the other For me ancient Egypt is one of the locations and time periods that I have been fascinated by since I was a kid. So it was a joy to explore this whole map even the deserts. Compared to ancient Greece which is beautiful but was never something I was all that interested in. There was also a lot of Greek architecture influence in origins so I still felt like I had seen a lot of the art style in this game already. Locations feel a little less varied as a lot of the islands kind of look and feel the same. But I began to enjoy overall exploration, side quests, the naval combat, and especially the character of Kassandra more and more as I played. It started to feel like this was the best Wonder Woman game you could play lol. So initially I didn't really like this game that much and I was disappointed, but it has now grown on me to be one of the games in the franchise that I prefer Although it also spikes my thalassophobia and fear of sharks.
Engravings were one of the great parts imo
To each their own however Odyssey is a mess of a game in itself. It is a terrible AC game alongside being a not fun grindy rpg. Origins made me care about Bayek and his quest of vengeance. Egypt felt alive the music the ambience the mirages in the desert. It had it all. In Odyssey sure it’s big yeah you get your moneys worth but the entire map is void of character and interesting locations. Almost every part of Greece looks the exact same and traveling across a bland ocean is not the ideal traversal system. Kassandra has no character she is a hollow husk of the player’s thoughts and feelings and the entire play through of some people could be entirely non canon based on their ending so it’s all pointless. If you enjoy it that’s fine but in no way will it ever be better than Origins
I mean, the fact that in all of the three games as far as i know every one liked the female characters more, so it actually stupid on ubi softs part.
Origins has far better story and characters, but i got less bored with Odyssey. I didn't had real fun like i would in true AC games, but it's a great game. If you start with the mindset that it's an low budget The Witcher 3 action RPG set in Greece with SOME references to Assassin's Creed, you will like it. But if you go into it expecting to feel like an AC game, you'll hate it
Played origins in gamepass, after 20+ hours, started odessy then finished campaign after 40hrs. Tried to get back to origins not that exciting anymore.
i havent stopped going back to origins
Odyssey is easily my favorite AC game, and honestly in my top 5 games of all time. A lot of people will hate that I said that lol. I enjoyed your video but have some tips that may improve your experience if you ever play again.
While playing Odyssey, I often feel like it just may be the greatest experience with any media I’ve ever had… and I love a lot of movies and shows, but Odyssey at its best can sometimes hit far beyond even my favorite movies…
Played ODYSSEY 3000 hours...
same for me but with origins, funny how AC can tick a lot of box's for some people @@leeroynaggins
I also think it’s the best in the series. I know some would disagree. I think it depends if you accept it’s an over 80 hours game or you want to rush through it in a weekend and move onto the next game.
The microtransactions shouldn't be in the game, that's true. But the idea that the game was made this way intentionally to encourage buying time savers isn't true at all. Odyssey is far less grindy than most RPGs out there. But AC players aren't familiar enough with the RPG genre to understand that doing side quests is necessary for basically any RPG ever made. I always felt I leveled too fast in Odyssey without even having an XP boost so tbh that would just ruin it for me. And I don't see any reason why anyone would buy it just to play less of the game. Makes no sense.
out of all the AC games, this is the sole game where I played a female lead and finished the game as is, spent ~125 hours exploring this game inch by inch, didn't kill either character and got a happy family reunion at the end, best ending in the series in my opinion.
about 5 hours in and the one thing I really don't like so far is clearing out camps then getting a mission down the road to go clear that same camp and everyone is dead LOL, to make it worse, the main character says "oo better not get spotted" or something like that but everyone already died lol
I love Odyssey, it is one of my all time favourite games. It is definitely not perfect and I completely understand your criticisms. I still can't decide whether I think the game you should have ditched the AC prefix and gone bigger. Or condensed itself into a smaller experience.
Odyssey my favourite assassins creed game
I think it's a matter of preference between ancient Greece and ancient Egypt. I love both ancient civilizations and even though improvements were made in Odyssey over Origins, such as with the combat, I found Origins to be the bigger breath of fresh air that the series needed. Odyssey, while more of the same, brought with it an unwelcome amount of bloat and "Ubisoftification" which I think this year's excellent Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora was partially designed in response to with its stripped back UI and more immersive way of interacting with the environment.
Everytine I go and open orogins after completing it im kinda like there is nothing to di and nothing to see yeah you can climb the fucking piramids and kill some aligators but like nothing else. Going back to odyssey trying out different builds, and just roaming around Atlantis and Greece and even fucking Elysium was stunningly beautiful. In my opinion there is no modern game where you can see stuff like that and this beautiful worlds. Yeah red dead gta and stuff have nice graphics and yeah but you sure cant go beat some people in hell in those.
Played ODYSSEY 3000 hours...
This guy put Origins below AC1, Rogue, Syndicate and Odyssey. Absolute muppet
yep
If I had visited a bunch of those places it would be my favorite as well 👍
1:50 The isseu is, that based on some comments I have seen, those higher ups probably were right. It is an absolute shame, but there are a lot of people mad about even the inclusion of a female option.
I am.just like you oddisey is one of my.favorite ac games I ever played xasue just like you I love Greek.Mythology and I went to Greece this past summer and I loved it. So.i totally agree with you
I loved odyssey. I 100% cleared it and its dlc content. For me its a 10/10 game that i replay every few month because of the vibe and feeling the game has. Main Quest is nothinh special but its good enough to make you travel through the map. I personally love the rpg-min-maxing side of the game but i guess thats a " me thing " because i love buildcrafting etc, i don't have over 2k hours in Warframe just because i do some fishing. The biggest problem this game has is its name. Assasin's creed. If it wouldn't be an AC game many ppl wouldn't dislike the game so much
Well I'll say you did get me to reinstall the game but there still are issues here that makes me feel disappointed in the game. Origins was so liked because it was a breath of fresh air and a change to the hole idea of Assassin's Creed creating something new but keeping with the idea, Odyssey on the other hand is cranking it to eleven and adding a bunch of stuff that was fun in the older games without thinking how it works. I mean sure it is fun but it feels unnecessary or there just to keep you doing something but at that same time they ended up ruining the loop of always getting stronger by putting in a very strict and harsh leveling system. Which I'm not talking about level up the character but what happens when a level 5 tries to take on a level 6 or higher which leads to just you getting killed a lot cause your just one level lower then them. So that is one rock in front of you to show a challenge but at the same time they put a rock behind you by level scaling locations you've already been to which makes the game feel heavily railroaded and gives a sense of disappointment or lack of any real progression in the game. I feel Valhalla did a pretty good job on fixing or pulling back on things/issues that Odyssey had and makes you feel like your character is actually progressing, not to even forget that you can now take on harder enemies without worry of being the same level. Plus it makes you feel more like your building a character and actually make your own things rather then just number go up.
I'm not sure why you have a problem with the player having the choice to play as either a male or female character? I believe giving the player choices is a good thing e.g. I preferred playing as Kassandra in Odyssey and male Eivor in Valhalla.
I dont have a problem with giving players the choice per se. But here it seems clear to me that the original intention was for Kassandra to be the sole protagonist, and then they quickly had to add Alexios as an option for whatever reason. It doesn't seem unreasonable to posit that the extra work this created would be at least part of the reason why dialogue scenes feel like a lower quality when compared to Origins.
I agree and I would be much more inclined to play a game if there was a choice.
It means they had to write the story to be less personalized for Kassandra because everything had to be ambiguous so it would work with either gender. You notice how no one ever mentions or cares about a woman being such a talented warrior in a time where women weren't typically given an opportunity to participate in wars? They had to do that so the gender swap would work. I love how all of a sudden tho "choice is a good thing" when it's a female protagonist we're talking about but if they had a female option in the original AC games to choose instead of Ezio or Edward Kenway people would be pissed. Executives shouldn't be forcing devs to do anything. If the devs have a good idea for it that they want to implement in the game then find, but that should be up to their discretion. That way it's done properly and not in the half-assed way it's been done in Odyssey and Valhalla.
wast assasincs creed syndicate supposed to haverto have only a male protagonist? Im pretty sure they added Evie frye because of a lack of female characters in the franchise.
I love Cassandra so I’m a bit biased 😂❤
She is something special haha
I just started a new game on PS5. I racked up 250+ hours on PC when this first came out (Ubi edition, which has Alexios, so I think he's the default character, though the voice acting means I can only stomach playing as Kass). This game is a great sanbox, though I hate the level gating. I utterly loathe the concept of the same animals levelling by area with a passion, fuelled by one-shotting leopards to the head in Origins, until I crossed an invisible line in the desert and spent an hour battling one I couldn't even flee from on a camel, that eventuially killed me when I ran out of arrows and couldn't get the additional 2000 melee hits in before it managed to touch me. Level gated weapons/armour also doesn't make sense, just make it expensive. Having weapons/armour in your inventory you can't use, despite it being identical to others you can, makes zero sense. The "game" as such seems almost like an afterthought, thrown together at the last minute to give some narrative point to hunting, killing and feeding people to sharks (never gets old). ACIII combat is far more enjoyable to me, although having just finished a replay of III (& IV) on PS5, I had frequent issues of getting killed by humans & animals when the buttons seemed to stop working. A lot of the time it was circle/counter, but often enough, I'd be surrounded by enemies and whacking square would just have me twirling my weapon like there were no enemies, despite being surrounded by them. I think it might be a remaster glitch as I have no recollection of this in my PS3 or PC runs a decade+ ago. Connor could pet dogs, cats, pigs, sheep, goats, turkeys, chickens and cows. Years later, we get a breathless bit of PR about Bayek being able to pet cats. ..
Now see mirage, face animations look ten times worse than odyssey, wtf ubisoft did...
Ah that's a shame. I still need to finish Valhalla before I play Mirage, but I'd have thought a smaller game would have meant less of the Team America look during dialogue.
@@borangedunn Odyssey's lip sync could have been fixed by Ubisoft, but for some reason they just ignored it. If it were synced properly, the facial animations would match what they're saying. I guess 5 years on, they just don't care.
I couldn't finish odyssey, but I played through origins 3 full times. Origins is my 2nd favorite of all time right behind rdr2.
exact same here
Odyssey is the Origins of the templars !! And the first use of the hidden blade !! 🤷♂️
Odyssey was never the "origins" of the templars. It's a common misconception that a lot of people still believe for a reason I still don't know. The cult of kosmos was simply a secret organization that just happened to have similar ideologies and methods to that of the templars. The biggest connection they have with them is that they worked together with the order of the ancients (the actual ancestors of the templars) for a certain amount of time until they got wiped out. You can even look it up if you don't believe me. Also, Darius was originally never stated to be the true first user of the hidden blade. He was only mentioned as the first _recorded_ user of the hidden blade but the true first wielder of the blade was never known. But odyssey just reconned Darius as the first one to use it.
I loved all the games Valhalla aswell
I’ve only played the RPG games and I’ve always hated the modern stuff.
Origins was way better imo especially story wise
Sorry to break it to you but most men don't want to play as a woman, i chose Alexios and I thought he was a great character.
Seems like a u issue
ur prob incel
Yeah, that's why tomb raider was such a niche title
well yes but actually no ...but also yes and no at the same time.... all and all both are great .....
See that right there "id just pay off the bounties" (to avoid playing the game) I didnt avoid the mercenaries and infact sent wanted to five on purpose several times But i can respect that someone else didn't enjoy that part of the game and is allowed a "shortcut" I wouldn't (and you wouldn't) want it taken out Same with xp boosters I personally would never buy one but i also dont consider playing side missions to be "grinding" Those who support micro transactions WANT them I wouldn't take away a completely optional tool from someone who wants it How would that make my life any better other than being able to troll the help forums telling those frustrated to git gud
I've brought this up in several videos. It's pretty well documented that games with XP Boosters and the like are balanced in a way to encourage players to buy them. Same with Shark Cards in GTA. The free way of acquiring resources is made more difficult to make the prospect of paying to shorten the time it takes to acquire that resource more appealing. When they removed the microtransactions from Shadow Of War they had to rebalance the end-game because it was deliberately designed to be a slog to nudge people towards the microtransactions, something the developers confirmed in an update. This is why I am against microtransactions. They don't allow people to skip parts of the game they aren't as interested in, they allow people to skip parts of the game that have been made deliberately tedious to encourage you to want to skip it. They are deliberately adding tedium and repetitiveness to games and letting you give them money to skip them.
@@borangedunn the point im making is i dont find it tedious I am a person along with a bunch of others who explore every region and truly grind (battling the same npcs over and over for hours for gold or whatever) and thus appreciate a game when it says hundreds of hours or hundreds of things to do Those are games i like and playstyle i enjoy I have never completed a game without doubling the time stated on how long to beat and honestly cant understand how people rush through games that fast To each his own. If a person doesn't want to play a game which due to xp gates requires 80 hrs to finish then maybe they shouldn't buy it (same as i hate racing so dont buy racing games or pvp shooters) but if they do buy it then give em some options I could understand the complaints if i was literally forced to buy microtransactions of if the store link popped up everytime i took a death but that doesn't happen and most of us have never even seen the inside of the store So i chaulk it up to the "grind" is the type of game. But people should have options if you choose to buy something different and find you dont like it Also i loved shadow of war and never bought anything
I got the complete edition for 80% discount, patience is the key. 🤣
U played all wrong😂😂😂😂u can rack up bounty on your head they send higher levels mercenaries u can’t farm to rank up u dont have to grind side quests l😂😂😂😂
It's time to admit it but it's not everyone agrees but I still respect your opinion valhala is still worse
Odyssey as a game improved on origins. The decisions you make affect the end there’s different builds and the side content is fun to complete. However the story for origins I find more compelling and relevant to the series. I also got very bored with the Atlantis DLC it managed to feel more bloated than the game.
It was a grind but odessey had fuck all to do with the assassins sadly least origins had reasonable grounds to be called an assassins creed game
I agree. Nice video.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
That title is Blasphemy! Blasphemy I tell you!!!
Dude you think you’re open minded but you’re one of the most judgmental people I’ve ever tried listening to. It’s a shame too cause I think you do really great deep dives but after brushing off a few snotty comments from your Valhalla video and now just getting them back to back consistently it’s just obnoxious. You can dog on me if you like. I’m trying not to be insulting but it’s really overbearing and distracts from your otherwise great video style.
Nope. I prefer Origins. I did enjoy Odyssey too, though.
origins >
I didn't even finish Origins.
Odyssey beats both Origins and Valhalla. I love Kassandra as a character and her voice actor is spot on.
The whole video he just criticised the game and praised it here and there and called it better than origins, and upon that he calls the audience mum dull in between the video. It's not cool, insulting your audience's mum is not cool man, there is no honour in that. It just shows your cheap mentality, the internet has spoiled the way you think. Get a life son.
Female protagonist don't sell games. Executives made the right call.
Yeah, the unfortunate truth is that a significant portion of the audience for these games are fragile men and incels, and the higher ups know that they can squeeze more profit from their games by keeping them happy.
She was a much better character. Alexios is a tool.
I agree. Kasandra rules, but female Eivor drools.
Not true at all. Look at the Horizon series on PlayStation. Forbidden West was a top 5 best seller of 2022 despite releasing the same week as Elden Ring. Tomb Raider is also an iconic franchise. The Last of Us Part 2 also sold extremely well with a female protagonist who was the focus of the marketing. There's no real statistical evidence to support this theory. It's just an outdated point of view from out of touch executives. As far as the gender split between gamers, it's almost 50/50, so you have almost half of all gamers being female and you'd have to imagine that plenty of male gamers don't care if the protagonist is a woman.
Yeah better than AC ORIGIN but not so better. It would be better if there is more dramatic arena fight and there should be one more arena fight location. Cult Members are easy to find.. there is no more suspense. You can find them easily and kill them easily. Another thing is battle, you can join any battle without any tollerance. To join battle you should need to permission, this would be better.
Whats more fun and whats better are 2 different things. Whats fun is subjective and what's better can be both subjective and objective. Origins is better, and personally more fun.
I agree💯
I love Odyssey more than Origins. But both are very good games.
14:00 imagine asking single player gamer to pay for exp boost 🤣 this is not MMORPG!! no wonder ubisoft release game so often, they only care about making money.
Yes someone said it
Yeeaah...no tf its not lol✌🏾
Not trynna come off as closed minded but you spent almost the entire video criticizing this game, but the claim is that it’s better than origins, I mean I get it It’s Ancient Greece is beautiful setting. But if it wasn’t for the setting would this still be nearly as good? I know origins would still be. And that’s mainly because of the characters and storytelling. This game made fail to make me care about somebody other than Kassandra, whereas I can’t say the same thing about origins.
That doesn't come across as closed minded at all, no worries 👍 If I had to boil it down I'd say I prefer Odyssey for the setting, the combat system and the tone, as I found it to be more lighthearted than Origins, but the story of neither game grabbed me. Both games kept telling me I should care about certain characters but I never felt any connection to most of them. All of these points are subjective, of course, and I personally found Odyssey more enjoyable on a minute-to-minute basis than Origins.
@@borangedunn That’s a respectable, it is definitely all subjective at the end of the day, glad you enjoyed odyssey.
How anyone can put Odyssey over Origins is baffling to me. But you do you.
I enjoyed origins more. It's possible that it's subjective right? 🤭