War Has Armenians Split Ahead of a Historic Election
2021 ж. 17 Мау.
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Seven months after the end of fighting with Azerbaijan in the disputed region of Nagorno-Karabakh, Armenians are facing a tough choice in national elections. On one side is the Prime Minister who many blame for losing the war, against his main challenger the former president who ran the country during a period of widespread corruption.
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I know many people say this but big props to Vice for reporting on topics that the mainstream news don't
Fax
You'd have to blind to not see articles about Armenia.
@@user-pm4tj6ny6k You're right however I think he refers to TV news
even despite Vice's article are you really any closer to understanding which of these prime ministers is the right one..... and who really owns "Nagorno-Karabakh" i think i can let the mainstream media have a break with this one for once, it's more complicated than Israel
@@user-pm4tj6ny6k in America unless you look for it you wouldnt of even known the Azerbaijanis attacked Armenia. CNN might of ran a 30 second informational piece but nothing indepth at all and they didnt even send one reporter to either country during the war. And none of the other two big national networks did much reporting on it either.
Yikes, that soldier who died in the intro. Was born in the same year as me
It's hard to imagine a person within my age group dying in war because they are usually in post secondary education and not the army.
Somewhere around 75% of soldiers that die in war are 18-26. Unfortunately they never got to go to college or experience most of life. At that age, your a young man with peak physical strength and little fear. In many countries, its your duty to fight for your fellow countrymen who are older or unable to do so.
Be greatful for your life and don't forget to thank God for the time he gave you, submit to God and pray
So what???🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
This is very strange and frightening to think, as much as I don't have any ethnic ties to Armenia or Azerbaijan or Turkey, I keep thinking of the family's suffering in losing their children who are the same age as mine in a war like this. it's scary.
This reporter has balls trying to talk to the candidate
His response is enough to tell anyone the man should be kept as far from government as possible. Obvious manipulative autocrat, they all act the same.
Yeah it's so rude to ask politician a question, just give him the votes so he can keep ignoring the questions while being in power! Hooray for dictatorship! All independent journalists belong to prisons! Sadly it works like this in many countries.
The guy says it's Pashinyan's fault that they've lost the war, like if Pashinyan could build an army in 2 years good enough to rival Azerbaijan's 20 years of huge military investments with Turkey support. Anyway I'm not supporting neither of these countries and I just hope this situation will lead both countries to peace, open borders and prosperity. Armenia could benefit a lot if they set up peace agreement with Azerbaijan
@@am_zeusy yeah dude. It's like if he comments on it, it becomes real(corruption). That girl kept trying to cut him off while asking.
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I don't think either will help Armenia move forward. One is broken with the defeat and the other is corrupt to the bone... They need a new face, a new party which can deal with the new reality...
Sasna Tserer.
@@mikayelsakian6793 Sasna gyoter*
Vardan Ghukasyan
Yeah, corruption is the word here. Where's all the money? I bet you can't find one good man among the politicians of Armenia. Jesus, it's hard enough in west.
@Edilio A The world is corrupt. Let's face it! What would you do if someone wanted to give you a million dollars for a favour, to shut up or look the other way? Not every man can be bought, but they are the ones who tend to end up dead. Generally speaking, we are a greedy and violent species. This world mirrors us exactly. God isn't who religion say He is.
“Take and sacrifice our children, but keep the lands” “Now we don’t have children nor lands“
same outcome
@@mehmetylmaz9484 Armenians where first there.
@@mehmetylmaz9484 Armenians were defending their territory . Ask your Turkish brothers about terror and blood. Lame.
@@SebaX92Firstly you have to ask your dashnak ancestors
@@eltn2610 I'm Palestinian and the Arabs saw what Turks did to Armenians. No matter what you'll do to deny it, you did a genocide.
I don’t understand what Armenians expect either Prime Minister to do on Nagorno Karabakh, Azerbaijan has a extremely large military and economical advantage even without Turkish support. I don’t understand what Armenians thought could have been done to have avoided the outcome of the last war. Going to war with Azerbaijan a third time is suicide.
Armenians living in Armenia are against idea of wars Only diaspora wants war because they have more wealth than actual Armenians. It is like Kim Kardashian asking for a war against Azerbaijan. Many actual Armenians want higher life quality.
@@kebabseverim3364 yes i agree. You want jobs and future. Idiots like kardashian are a problem
@@kebabseverim3364 the armenians that are doing all the voting and protesting. Most of them are not even front line troops lol. Its not his fault that Armenia lost. Its his fault that Armenia declare war against Azerbaijan in the first place.
Armenia lost the war because they relied on the victory back in the 80's to last, so they lost track of time. Things like that happen. What I can't understand is why their intelligence service didn't know that Azerbaijan was modernizing their army. Such a thing isn't made in a day or two. Or did they know, but no one responsible reacted? It's the realistic scenery.
They were just careless
It is not about intelligence service. You cant keep war with every neighbour country. Armenia has created a deep trauma in the memory of both Turkey and Azerbaijan. They invaded Azerbaijani land with vile gangs fed by terror and fear. They massacred 485 woman child and unarmed man in Khojaly/Azerbaijan.They can live peacefully in their own land. No armed Armenian can demand peace and tranquility on the territory of the Azerbaijani state.
@@mehmetylmaz9484 I don't think they want peace at this point
Armenia couldn't afford to modernize, because they dont have oil, unlike Azeri.
They won the last war in the 90's because Armenia had inherited more Soviet weaponry. This time it was different.
They're not letting him ask his questions... Shady....
Armenians don't like Americans, they side with Russia.
@@SebaX92 ehhh, I don't really agree. A lot of Armenians prefer the west over Russia. It's just we can't do anything about it because we have our hands tied behind our backs
@@sargismartirosyan2803 most Americans that are aware of the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan side with Armenia.
@@pukeupmyfries Most American's don't care or even know about the issue and the ones that do know about it know very little. The ones that do know about the situation also understand that politically Azerbaijan is more of an ally to us that Armenia is given that Turkey is their ally and allied with NATO. That doesn't make is right though. Just... political.
@@JermStone thats why i said most Americans that are aware of the conflict. Also any American that is well informed enough to know about the conflict also knows about how fucked up turkey is. Turkey is by far the worst country in NATO. They also will see the brutality that Azerbaijan used against the Armenians
seems incredibly misguided to blame pashinyan for armenia's defeat when he had only been briefly in charge of the armenia and its political relations that his predecessor and now challenger had built. really, you think the new prime minister made your military lose?
I'm not Armenian but I have heard from members of the Armenian diaspora that they dont see this war as "Oh we lost to Azerbaijan" they see it as "Its going to be 1915 again" and this sentiment is probably echoed In the country itself. The blame is mostly from people being terrified.
Israel is to be blamed for this.
That's what some people think, although he is partly to blame for the loss, imo everything should be done in order to NOT get Kocharyan to power. The man is a monster, he doesn't care for his country, he only cares for his wealth and power.
He isn't to blame for the war,he is to blame what happened post-war however That being said,he is 100x better than a monster like Qocharyan.
@@alexbedrosyan3971 "his predecessors" alex jan esh esh mi durs tu,his predecessors fucked our country up by not doing the peacedeal for 30 years,they had plenty of time but qocho said "voch mi tiz hox"
The lvl of incompetence of the youngsters at 6th minute is astounding.
it just means they were paid to go there
Say it louder for the people at the back. Thank you.
@@ZaytoonN shut up
@@beforedawn1131 awww, don't cry, go ask Daddy Kocharian to comfort you with some sugar.
They’re right
I don’t understand why u can blame Pashinyan for losing when the Armenian military was decades behind the Azerbaijani military. The had been losing their edge for decades. Only main criticism of his handling of the war is he could have pulled back sooner.
True. The only realistic choice he had before the war was to cede territories and sign peace deal as quickly as possible. I think Armenian top echleons were too stupid to realize they have no chance whatsoever winning a war when the economy is crumbling and with lack of population pool and military armament.
Azerbaijan had weapons from turkey , Israel , Pakistan etc all heavy equipped countries with fire power
@@emilygirl9993 which they bought. nothing suspicious nothing peculiar
@@emilygirl9993And Armenia had Weapons from Russia,France,İndia,Usa,Greece. Usa donate the Money for Armenia more then Whole Azerbaijan Economy. So Dont Play Victim Card.
@@citizenofsuperpowerindia4453 are you feeling okay if they had weapons from USA , Russia , France you think they would off lost lmao
Why does vice just ignore the azerbaijani perspective on this issue
Not a single time they mentioned Karabakh being internationally recognized Azerbaijan territory. Such a biased way of news reporting.
The distraught from the mother really got to me. As did the indifference to the election process, when the cattle farmer said he's not voting nor participating.
You'll never understand because you speak from privledge. It's like saying it makes you distraught to hear a soldier who has came back from a war in Afghanistan no longer believes in the US political system. If you haven't been through it you won't get it. If I misunderstood you, sorry.
@Big Rah facts.
@@Unxpekted I think Eldridge was saying the distraught mother to him, not that he was distraught. There is a difference between sympathy and empathy. I think this is just miscomuniating how much their suffering is understood or felt by us/him (the greater audience).
Remember, one of the major reason Armenia lost isn't just the current government's incompetence and lack of transparency. It's also due to the past corruption which crippled their current Army. Really, both the incumbent and the challenger contributed in equal parts in this loss.
give an example of corruption in the current government that has led to a crippled army
Transparency international releases a corruption index every year where they list, score, and rank most countries in the world on how much corruption they have. www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2020/index/nzl If you visit their site you'll see that azerbaijan actually has a lower score than armenia meaning Azerbaijan is more corrupt than Armenia. So if anything, azerbaijan had a disadvantage when it comes to corruption. The main reason Armenia lost the war is not corruption. It's money. Azerbaijan has natural resources and access to the sea. Azerbaijan has a military budget many times higher than Armenia. Just in 2014, Azerbaijan had spent 3.5 billion dollars on its military whereas armenia spent less than 500 million. That's 7 times as much. That's like one armenian tank having to fight off 7 azeri tanks. I took this info from this page: www.evnreport.com/politics/military-expenditures-and-the-economy-behind-the-war-of-weapons In war, the country that has more money usually tends to win. Because more money translates into more fancy equipment. Let's not forget that azerbaijan has a far greater population which translates into larger economy and more manpower to deploy. And let's also not forget that turkey has aided and supported azerbaijan. So Armenia not only has to fight against a more powerful country but it has to fight against two more powerful countries, one of which is a regional super power. Armenia didn't lose because of corruption. They lost because they were up against a giant. The odds were stacked against them from the very beginning.
@@splizzex I agree. But it doesn't mean that Armenia doesn't have an extremely corrupt army. Generals have their positions only because they are loyal to the government, or because they brought their position. And as I said before, nothing had changed during Pashinyan. Azerbaijan can have corruption inside their army, and still win, but Armenia doesn't have this "privilege."
@@splizzex scales matter. Yes, Azerbaijan is nominally more corrupt, but they're also a larger economy, so they can afford to funnel money and still defeat a smaller army. See the point? Besides, Azeri tactics were simply heads and shoulders above. They were drone spamming, which is quite literally the future of warfare. It's like warfare's equivalent of zerg rushing in, I think it was Starcraft? Yeah, you get the idea. Point is, if Armenia back then wasn't as corrupt as it was, they'd caught on to the upcoming meta and at least move towards droje countermeasures. It's like a game of complex rock paper scissors. For every game changing tactic, there's a counter. But tactics take time to develop and implement, time which Armenia wasted thanks to corruption. Those previous 5 years, they could've up the ante by flooding the airwaves and render UAV operations a pain in the ass. They didn't. Why? No money. No Intel to activate the skunk works, which can be attributed by neglect, which is a result of corruption and underfunding. Armenia is already playing a uphill game, and the previous regime shot themselves in the foot. We just saw the result last year.
@@prfwrx2497 To catch up in tactics, Armenia must've participated in war conflicts to see how to be successful in modern warfare. Syrian civil war was a perfect opportunity to keep drilling the army, and grow a new generation of good generals and soldiers. Also, I am really surprised that Armenia doesn't cooperate with diaspora as much as they should, using diaspora only as a source of money.
I don't want to change the shepherd, I want to stop being a sheep.
Same
What do you mean? Every human society needs a leader. Lack of leadership will just breed chaos.
@@MWENDA-vv5im I think the op was talking about lack of freedom. Being corralled into a pen where you've told how to think, feel, etc... other than having self feeling, self thinking.
@@MWENDA-vv5im I'm refering about the naturals sense of a human to live on liberty. I think that is natural as well that society has jerarquies, but this doesn't mean that everyone has not self-conciousnes, and the repression and manipulation of it is what I denounce. The self-liberation and capacity to decide on society what rules want to be aplicated. Of course that this doesn't mean material stability. But you don't have more stability than in a dictatorship.
@Bits海 Sorry, but what does it mean OP? 😅
"we lost the war, we lost some territory, but we already have a peace deal. Let's keep it in the past and build our nation for now" Other candidates : "REVENGE"
You are very naive! They want all of Armenia, the land, because it is a neighbour of Iran and close to Russia. The could care less about Armenians. As a German politician said a few weeks ago that EU does not care how many thousands of Armenians die, they care about their interests.
@@tamarachitarians113, that's how things work; any nation would simply not help Armenia because it does not hold any significance. And if any politician wants to help Armenia, its citizens would not support it. But if you gain some significance in the world by rebuilding, any country that cares about their interests would want to help. And if your neighbor wants your land, it's fine! My country has similar neighbors called China, North Korea, and Japan, so I know. It's just fine.
@@user-yi8se6sj3v İt is not abaout significance. Nobody can help Armenia as long as they dont fight for Armenia. Coz They fight for Karabag. And karabag belongs to Azerbaijan according to İnternational laws.
@@user-yi8se6sj3v This was not just about these two or the international laws. Azerbaijan didn’t just build its drones - it bought them. The reality is that Turkeys ambitions in the region mean that NATO is effectively split between extending its influence in the region and condemning Turkeys aggressions. This means that both enemies of NATO (Russia) and of Turkey ( many regional powers, some also due to Turkeys western connections to Israel aso. to ) have no actual interest in giving up on Armenia. Religion sounds like a great unifying entity until one takes a closer look. The EU, while officially not a military, also harbors some of the most powerful militaries in the region ( as it is logistically a fairly close war ) who combined have a lot of strength and a very strong internal cohesion and are actually interested in keeping Armenia AND Azerbaijan as too much influence for any regional power in the Middle East could lead to spirals of more and more warfare when the victors seek new targets for a militaristic expansion. To the EU, while not glad for Russia to play the peace keeper, also knows that this ties down a lot of Russian assets in conflicts which ultimately, aren’t all that important ( Russia lacks the internal infrastructural overproduction to truly benefit from such efforts ). In other words, this conflict is effectively on hold but will continue once Armenia rearms. And NATO effectively sees this as a win win situation and will try to maintain the status quo. If the war were to continue, it would further strain relations with Turkey who are geographically extremely relevant. But with the international law legitimizing the conflict ( partially ), NATO can simply monitor the situation and focus on its stable allies in the region. Ironically, both Russia and much of NATO technically agree on limiting Turkeys reach but as Turkey is also a part of NATO, this is complicated by a lot.
@@Arcaryon NATO is a defensive organisation, not a political one although many members agree on some understandings. Turkey doesn't need NATO or USA anymore. It works on its own defense industry since 1974 and has reached a great amount of independence from weapon sales of EU or USA. At this point Turkey will only increase its status as a regional superpower and probably will do so by aligning with powerhouses like Israel in the near future since most of Turkish generals are in favor for strategic reasons. But no matter what I don't see any US or EU involvement in the Middle East for the foreseeable future. Your analysis of EU armies also is anachronistic as you measure them by their numbers or equipments, but in the end this isn't fucking 1940s and those nations in the west can't afford to lose hundreds of soldiers in a far out country for ambiguous 'strategic' political goals. Heck, you can't sell that to veterans worshipping US voters, you think this is anywhere close to liberal societies of Germany or France? US left the stage in Afganistan and in a few years in the Middle East as well. And no European will enter without the US' leadership. So, end of your little scenarios.
This little war projected a clear brutal picture of modern-day warfare😬
When the former prime minister said he is crossing the line He should have said so are the Azerbaijans 😂😂 Would have been fun to watch
not wrong
Lolz.
And that is the current leaders fault, and the fault of VICE's backers. Guess who funds VICE? This creep is completely biased.
@@hyrulian3604 why not say it directly instead of playing this shady rhetoric
Kocharyan is not someone you wanna do that with lmao
Kocharyan and his ilk were the ones who allowed the military of Armenia to fall behind Azerbaijan. It's a good thing his party still lost big time.
This often repeated notion is both delusional and fatal. Arms racing with an adversary that has a GDP 6-times as yourself that is only a sane plan if you are on some heavy drugs. What Pashinian could have done better would be reentering the dialogue with AZ and open the public for new ideas to actually solve the problem. Blocking, ignoring and outright sabotaging any meaningful solution like renaming the 7 surrounding regions of Karabakh with Armenian names and starting new road constructions and patriations of these with ethnic Armenians from diasporas was a big no-no, Pashinian could have avoided since he was one of the few politicians ruling AM who wasn't born there. Armenia had a strong negotiation position but ultimately lost due to the prevalent hybris which is probably the result of decades of propaganda meant for domestic consumption. They still have their maps everywhere of Great Armenia incl. territories of all their current neighbors....
I'm not even Armenian but that former president indeed looks like a damn mafia boss. a criminal. wearing his shirt without a neck tie. I would continue the same direction forward with the Prime Minister tbh.
They did, trust me. That guy is a criminal.
He is a war criminal. He has confessed to deliberately commit Khojali massacre to scare of Azerbaijanis.
Я хочу, чтобы не было войн во всем мире. В каждой стране веками шли войны, и теперь они живут в мире и спокойствии. Я верю, что Армения и Азербайджан, как и прежде, будут жить на Кавказе в мире и согласии. если мы этого не увидим, это увидят будущие поколения. Мир миру и Южному Кавказу ..... ❤🇦🇿✌🏻🇦🇲
Holy war arminia and azarbaijan☪️
I'm from Azerbaijan I'm really glad that Pashinian is going to stay at the office. It means that there will not be a war with Azerbaijan again, I believe in that he will not repeat his past mistakes
But we need some reasons to liberate Zengezur and Goyche 🇦🇿❤
@@YALQUZAQ_AZ supporting war smh
@@YALQUZAQ_AZ Yo... Azerbaijan has international law behind its claim to Karabakh, but Syunik (Zangezur) & Sevan (Goyche) are rightfully Armenian
@@someguyontheinternet7 there is no right to any land only power holds land not rights
@@someguyontheinternet7 and kashmir belongs to pakistan
This documentary completely closes its eyes on Pashinyan’s wrongdoing. Call for violence from his side, incompetence, and the fact that he was funded by Western countries. Journalism is definitely dead.
Yup. And guess who funds VICE?
I don't think so. It's pretty obvious they are both the same incompetent populist asswipes.
The guy at the end… spent tons of money on elections instead of on the country. Cattle farmer describing the problem of politics in America should tell you a lot
Elections is a industry smaller than pet care in America.
Armenia*
He was very wrong. He suggest one should spend all the money on military instead, thats very stupid. One should invest in the children they have left. He suggest war and in war no one wins.
His response was “we have lost so many children in war how could we make peace”. Aka let’s double down and get more kids killed. Gamblers fallacy. War serves no one but the political/military elite
Thank you for covering this
Are you Armenian
Thank you for covering what’s happening in Armenia. There’s so much more to say about the current situation. Our world has been flipped upside down
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TB-2 Bayraktar goes brrrrr
Khojaly goes bbrrrr
If Armenia didn't give up when it did, it would be under full Azeri occupation right now. Critisize him for being drawn into the war, not for giving up when he saw that the country had no chance. The Armenian military itself was so ineffective and outgunned, there was no point in fighting. 4000 men in only a few weeks of fighting? No point, the units were being scattered as soon as they entered the front.
Didn’t the azeris suffer similar casualties?
@Yakup B 1k less casualties isn't really noteworthy when you factor in the immense technological advantage that the Armenians were up against. For the record I have no horse in this race and don't support either side. Also the Azeris never stated the amount of wounded on their side, and the casualties are even closer when you factor in the deaths of Syrian and Turkmen mercenaries that Azerbaijan employed. However it was an undeniable Azeri victory. But it was also undeniably costly for Azeris. They also had a hard time breaking through the northern more mountainous lines of the Armenians. And made gains mostly in the south. The gains they made to the north was a result of the cease fire. Which tells me that had the fighting gone on the casualties would have ramped up for the Azeris more than the Armenians.
@@BijiMustardGas The difference was quite vast, not to mention the early days of fighting where when the Armenians had entrenched positions. Once those positions fell it was going to turn into a massacre of Armenian soldiers.
@@BijiMustardGas Armenia spent 30 years building fortifications in that region. Plus the attacking side always has more casualties, especially when they have to overcome so many hurdles.
6:35 if he said he's Canadian, maybe he'll get answered... the classic Canadian disguise XD
Azerbaijan have got very strong allies behind them Turkey , Pakistan , Israel , Russia etc while only India supported Armenia says it all really
So true Azerbaijan miles ahead
Another great video!! Vice has really stepped it up recently.
always find it so brave when reporters who are obviously out of place try to ask questions like this guy. props on that
It might have been a bit more respectful to ask in Armenian rather than but in and demand to be spoken to in English
@@kellensanna okay??
People still think politicians care about them. Truly astounding.
The farmer said how can there be peace when thousand of Armenians died, didnt Azeris die also?
Revanchilism is a powerful motivator
@@shadowlord1418 also a good self destructer
@@Gabriel-fr3sd wont argue with that
@@Gabriel-fr3sd your talk is cheap because it sounds like your tying to undermine the oppressed
@@vibecheck4623 I speak the truth. And who are the oppressed ?
How about you cover Sasna Tserer?
so many young men were drone fodder. the goverment didnt prepare resulting in loss of the conflict.
This war was such a waste for so many young lifes. It’s incredibly sad. They didn’t had a chance from the beginning.
yes because they didn't start the war
Poor Armenia It's very difficult situation for them Russia wouldn't give them proper support because they want to maintain good relations with Azerbaijan and fear that northern Caucasus would get into fire The US on the other hand doesn't want to risk it's relations with Turkey for Armenians.
If it weren't for Russia. Armenia would have been swallowed from both sides lmao
Maybe that poor Armenia should not fire the first shot to a country that got way more better army and allies.
If not for Russia, Azeri tanks would have marched straight to Yerevan lol
Armenians should have been smart and listened to the world when it told them to end occupation of Azerbaijan's territory. There are 4 UN Security Council resolutions demanding that Armenia withdraws its troops from Azerbaijan, but Armenia would not listen. And now Armenia has to pay the price for its stubbornness and disregard of international law.
There was this short documentary I watched recently. This programmer for China was discussing how the most ridiculous purchaser of bots for farms was Azerbaijan. You can see those bots in action in these comments.
*Insert the famous quote about freedom and security here*
Good content 👍🏽
War only brought tear
Why don’t u mention the 1 million idps when u mention forced movement by Armenians
Wars have consequences!
These areas with conflicts typically have some of the best landscapes. It's a shame they're being destroyed by power conflicts.
Anyone notice Vice will report on all countries and corruption except the us 😂
Honestly what would be the point? The US gets plenty of coverage as is, but all with ties to US, including VICE. Who would be best fit to run a stories like this on the US? Aljazeera English, AP, BBC? If vice did a story like this (which there is surely plenty of coverage from difference sources already) it would still be dismissed as VICE is based in NY.
7:06 the people in the audience were like " danm bro chill".🤣
It’s because of the way they edited the video. An Armenian citizen was in the middle of asking a question, and he rudely interrupted her. There was actually much more exchange between the rude Vice journalist and Robert Kocharyan, including ANOTHER attempt to interrupt a citizen.
This journalist is a foreign-funded freak. What he's doing is intentional and cruel. He interupted the HELL out the audience.
@@yahoooooooo7772 stop this madness
ARMENIA PORTUGAL ESTÁ CONTIGO! O MONTE ARARAT É VOSSO! GO ARMENIA! PORTUGAL IS WITH YOUI! MOUNT ARARAT IT'S YOURS!
Гора арарат нету есть агыр Даг и находится в Турции
Those youngsters really don't know what war is.
8:12 what a beautiful land
But it's a message to those soldiers who invade to others countries what will happen after your invasion will complete you will also die as labour. Or you can let others live so they can produce employment opportunities for everybody
war is about young men die for nothing, old man shake hand in the last
You clearly don't understand what this war is about.
@@spetcnaz83 this war is about people dying
@@yoongmian1599 That's why I said you clearly don't understand what this war is about. Your generic platitudes don't apply to this conflict. In fact they are insulting.
@@spetcnaz83 insulting what lol
@@yoongmian1599 dying for nothing? you mean trying to aviod getting genocided again
"We've lost so many good kids. How could we reconcile?" So you're up for losing more kids for both sides?
When noone wants to back down and think, this is what happens. Cycle of vengeance is dangerous.
@@aces6262 Armenia was a bully took lands, and kicked its inhabitants, azeris after 30years came back to take their land back, then Armenia starts crying because they can't bully Azerbaijan anymore. I understand their frustration, but it's also very hypocritical
@@Yanzdorloph Wrong, its historically Armenian.
tooooooo.... *spits on floor* Man.. this hurts
I'm disappointed in fellow Armenians voting on Nikol Pashinyan, he was the one who sold us out. Like the soldier at the end said, we shouldn't put our money into politics, but into the military
Ultimately it would be unlikely that Armenia could have militarily won without an incredibly strong, modern army, which even with more funding would be unlikely for the size of the economy. But it definitely could have been focused on by politicians during the 20 or so years. Pashinyan unfortunately does have his faults. He made inflammatory statements, failed to bring onboard allies to help Armenia (even France didn't do much, the primary ally for Armenian issues). Plus he failed to maintain a relationship with Russia that made sense for them to step in, particularly as Nagorno-Karabakh was not covered by any frameworks that he could have gotten recognised by Russia or Azerbaijan during his time in office. So yes, he is partly to blame, especially when he was being dishonest about the defeats on the frontlines and the inability of the Armed Forces to even touch Azerbajiani air/artillery support. It was not all his fault but he certainly has his negatives in his response to the situation. Most likely others would face the same problem but he was the man in office at the time of them. I just wish the Armenian people all the best, being left out cold internationally must feel horrible, almost even in a siege mentality, all the while for all the lives and land lost they receive nothing to remotely come close to compensation of the ordeal. Politically even the promises of security from anyone would feel ingenuine when so much has been lost and so much is still at risk. Taking the high road of good governance and asking for international support may be the only option left.
Guy in the last part was an absolute truth speaking chad
Yaşasın Azərbaycan əsgəri.Var olsun ordumuz.🇦🇿💪
If the Armenians think another war will help them, they are wrong. They should focus on economical growth and their international position.
Another war will come, it is just a matter of time.
@@ArsenAl-zorK Then Armenia will lose entire Karabakh.
I hope the politician who refused to answer doesn't win. He'll f up the nation in every way.
Ehh man shit's bad and people are blinded by the fear of invading Turks.
Armenian guy here, He is like that and worse. He's had journalists beaten and murdered for asking questions like that in the past.
@@doghi223 So Nikol is better? I have no Idea thats why i asked.
@@ckrishna7288 Better, yes. Good? ehhhhhh.....
@@ckrishna7288 he is because this guy wants another war and you know this time Azerbaijan will March to Yerevan and Armenia will suffer 10 time more then they did 6 months ago.
Whatever happen to all that money that was sent out there to help the families caught between this conflict wasn’t it a couple millions ?
The mother who's son was killed broke my heart man
Lost my cousin in that war man it was brutal, the sad part was the whole war was sold, meaning pre planned, those lands were sold by Kocharyan himself
@@dsargsyan23 how did Kocharyan sold the lands there (genuine question out of curiosity) ?
@@IsengardMordor yes, those lands were sadly sold before the war. Before Pashinyan. Sadly come don’t care about their country and people. They care for their pockets. This war was a coverup. Those lands were sold and this war had been planned.
@@Ala351 sold by whom and how? As i said in my comment, i honestly wonder it
@@IsengardMordorthey're just coping with the fact that their military was inferior and leaders and people delusional to think that they could keep occupying the Azerbaijani lands with a increasing military power every year.
A girl that speaks from 5:47 . She talks about trechery, but I wonder if she took the rifle to defend that land. Easy to be backseat expert, the other thing is to go to the front line.
Rifles do little against drones. This conflict was lost for Armenia’s forces before it begun. We will see what happens in the next one in a few decades.
@@Arcaryon i sure hope for your ppl that your government follow the peace deal cuz you Will lose more then few thousnd soldiers if you decide to attack our lands again.
@@deeznutzhakim5855 I am Central-European. We haven’t been attacked in decades. Feel free to go ahead and continue to kill each other. That kind of plan hasn’t worked out too well for our ancestors. Even the victorious ones. War is expensive. But it appears that the world will need a lot more time to understand how pointless most bloodshed is.
@@Arcaryon Amen
Why anyone would vote for Kocharyan is mind boggling. Pashinyan is not the answer nor is Kocharyan. This war was inevitable but we do have a chance at rebuilding and preparing for the next inevitable conflict.
@ThumperBros Is that the mindset in the country? Preparing for the next inevitable conflict? If so, do the people want to invade their neighbor again? Or do they plan on not abiding by the terms of the ceasefire they signed? This all seems quite insane to me that a nation so outgunned would still be trying to find ways to get under the skin of their opponent.
Thank you for covering this story.
We have the same profile pic dude what are the odds
VICE is not on our side.
@@mico10558 ahaha lol
This comment section is so strange it is just people bringing up issues that have nothing to do with the video like someone brought up Pakistan for no reason. It’s also filled with weird Azeri nationalists harassing anyone who they think is Muslim who supports Armenians. To those nationalists stay mad I am a Muslim who supports Armenia bc Armenian refugees in Lebanon helped Shias and Palestinians.
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Some Armenians helped some Lebanese and Palestinians so let's forget about all the atrocities they committed against Azerbaijanis. Great logic there.
We don't care.
"If we lose Karabakh, we turn the final page of our people's history." -Monte Melkonian
Who?
@@gibetax8477 monte melkonian famous american-armenian guerilla fighter
Monkey Moleculiar sounds very well
Karabakh is a turkish rooted name means "big garden" its so ridiculous to reclaim it is Armenian territory lol
@@orkhanate6286 the name artsakh means arans garden and is from 200 bc long before there were turks in this part of the world lol
Armenia has learned the necessary lesson. The lands it is trying to occupy are the legal territory of Azerbaijan. Turkey will always be by your side. One nation, two states
When will Turkey learn their lesson??? Eastern turkey is Western Armenia, Cyprus is Greek. U have committed Genocide in so many countries. U are sitting on our lands, but it makes it okay cause u are bigger country against smaller??? Armenia is over 6500BC. Came before Azerbaijan. Those lands are Armenian. Imagine 10,000 Azerbaijan, 80,000 turkey, Syrian rebels, Israeli drones against only 3 million. Go watch baku death march on KZhead and you’ll still see what a little country like Armenia did to Azerbaijan. They would never win fighting alone.
Base on the public response jt seem that during Pashinyan the public gain the benefits the most in term of public affair. Cant put the blame on the recent lose towards him because he is still knew to steer his country. Partly MOD which in charge of Armenia defense should take the responsibility of recent lost. He was right to terminate those top leader in the Armenian forces for their failures to maintain the army strength.
I don't see any other potential from others candidates, nikol is the only one but if they choose others by emotion then they will be lost
Are you serious? VICE, funded by the US govt., is portraying this in a false light. This loser completely edited this to be biased. Pashinyan just signed over vital land. VICE is f_cking evil.
nikol is a populist he is the biggest one chosen by losers with emotions
@@hyrulian3604 I mean what do you expect him to do? Armenia already lost the war when they declare it. There is no way Armenia can win in this fight.
*7:50** man he looks like a real bad guy, even in India politicians don't behave that bad in public, I doubt what he does when you meet him alone, really scary man really scary*
You can only blame politicians for so long, alot of them just mirror the armenian society. If in Armenia there is still fanatisism about ''Greater Armenia'' and parts of Land that belongs to Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey or any other states, the nation is doomed to fail, no matter who they elect as President. Accept your Borders and respect the United Nations and other International Organisation, who say that these Lands were part of Azerbaijan.
Control is 90% of ownership
@@shadowlord1418 nonsense.
@@shadowlord1418 That's what the militia groups in Nagorno Karabakh thought. It didn't work out too well for them.
@@williamdavis9562 and now Azerbaijan owns it by right of conquest. the united nations means nothing
@@shadowlord1418 Actually United Nations recognized boundaries mean a lot. Azerbaijan won't be put under any pressure to give up the territories it recently took, because legally those territories belong to her anyway. It does matter.
Thank you Vice 🙏🙏
western propaganda sh*t asf
The reporter was about to die right there bro. 😂😂😂😂😂 7:48
How we would trade these people for the whole kardashian family.
What about Azerbaijan side view?
it must be feel terrible you lost you life as we as war.
From past 30 years army hasn't strengthened so losing both of citizens and land.Reporter should be appreciated for pursuance of questions. Hoping armenia to take smart strategies next time.
If only they let the displaced Azerbaijan people in nagorno karabakh to re settle and live in co-exist harmony.
Most people who lived in Artsakh were armenian. You’re talking about harmony while Armenians aren’t even allowed in azerbaijan.
@@Md-nr2vn i just said based on the time line one year before the second war. There were peace talk, but they cant find an agreement of understanding. If both cant settle on a peace agreement for the future, Well when another war broke out, its not just about taking disputed land but the Annihiliation of one nation. Which is a nightmare. I hope for the better, but from what i see, our moves is getting closer to that fate. May God Save Us all.
@@whatintheworld6413 That's the turks for you lmao even the kurds hate them and they live inside turkey
@@Md-nr2vn Lol are you serious. It all started with Armenians displacing the last 250 thousand Azerbaijanis from todays Armenia in 1988. There are 50 thousand Armenians living in Azerbaijan outside Karabakh now, I have armenian neighbours. But not a single Azerbaijani lives in Armenia, it is the sole monoethnic state in this region. Before the war in 90s There were some 50 thousand Armenians in Nagorno Garabakh, but 700 thousand Azerbaijanis in the 7 other surrounding regions of Azerbaijan that armenia occupied and looted.
May there always be peace, may our peoples live in peace and happiness, may peace be upon the war-torn Azerbaijan and Armenia 🕊❤🇦🇲🇦🇿❤🕊 .
Are you Armenian or Azeri?
@@naregkeusseyan8996 he says both
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I get the horrible feelings the families of lost ones are feeling and it’s a tragic event. But I want to ask this question: If the Armenian Army wasn’t involved in Karabakh war as Prime Minister Pashinian claimed in his HardTalk interview with Steven Sackur in his question about violating UN resolution, how did this kids got themselves killed? It’s clear how Armenia violates UN resolution and blood of this kids are on Armenian government.
6:36 he answeed your question then you followed him to his next rally
Hope this doesnt lead to yet another war
They can not dare. Turkish and Azerbaijani armies united. If they dare to attack Azerbaijan they find Turkey in front of them.
@@hulaguhan7702 true azeris weren't able to capture 1 village alone against Armenia Turkey's support granted them victory against Armenia alone
Only on television
@@basharalassad1073 lmao dude not a single Turkish soldier faught in 44 days war and almost entire Armenian army got destroyed. at least make less stupid statements.
@@basharalassad1073 No turkish soldier fought in that war, Turkey was only backing them with weapons, so your statement doesn't makes any sense dude.
Armenia should learn from Israel of the 1950s. No one will help, but you should be able to go on offensive even when outnumbered 1:30. If Israel could stop invasion from all arab neighbour s (who have oil), Armenia too can defend against turkey+Azeri. Time to modernize and use geopolitics effectively like Israel.
You are so fucking dumb. The arab countries that invaded Israel were not Gult countries rich in oil however they were new countries who just got independence. Syria, Egypt and Jordan invaded Israel. Not only were they not oil rich, they were also new countries. The main reason the Arabs lost was because they severely underestimated Israel and Israel won a very decisive victory. Israel win was very noteworthy however the countries Israel faced were not as strong, rich or organised as you claimed them to be.
Vice doing what the local media should 👍👍
Didn’t India support Armenia ? Where as most off the other countries supported Azerbaijan and Armenia needs to let go off that land no chance
“You’re crossing an ethical line” By asking a question 😅😂 if this is how he acts prior to power I can only imagine what he’ll be like with it
My God, this is so hard to watch =( What have those assholes done to my country... Thank you VICE for shining a light on this crippling situation we find ourselves in.
Humans make me sad..
I support azerbaican
An idea younger than coke a cola
@@rogaldorn8394 nagarno karabakh is azerbaicani land
@@mychanel4521 it’s been Armenian for 3000
@@rogaldorn8394 do you see world map when azerbaican and armenia independence armenia ocupied this area this area real land lord is azerbaican
Thank you very much 🙏🙏
Really surprising there is no third populist guy
I think there is, but the person doesn't get included, don't know for sure though
They have to move as they were occupying some else land. Not only that armenians were aggressors as per UN resolutions.
@shushanna1986 for you everywhere you go becomes a 'historic land'.. Armenian were settled their only in 19 cenrury according to Turkmenchay treaty, article-15.
@shushanna1986 read from any source you like 'Turkmenchay peace treaty" article-15.. according to which Armenians started moving from Iran to the territories of Karabakh and Erivan khanates.
@shushanna1986 One of the poorest and smallest nations of just 2.7 mln ppl dreaming of building a 'great armenia" by occupying other countries )) You are the dellusional and brainwashed one )
@shushanna1986 By your reply I assume you googled and read about that treaty. Historical evidence is hard to deny 😉
i think they should've brought an armenian along to ask the question
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@@Azerbaijanball-jg4hb stfu ur everywhere
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These youngsters are fool thinking they can get back the land from Azerbaijan because they have strong support of Turkey. And they can't win the war with Azerbaijan who have support of even isarel .the new prime minister whi got elected was only in power for 2 years and u guys should give him chance to build the country. and build the army.
Even Azerbaijan can beat Armenia single handedly. I bet Georgia could do too. Armenia should stop being agrassive to its neighbours, all of them stronger than Hayastan
You say that, but the land was attacked in 2016 and this didn't happen. Pashinyan is a foreign-funded clown. Google "color revolutions".
@@hyrulian3604 peww do you believe flat earth too? Do you believe Kocharyan will save Armenia from Soros too? Be rational Pashinyan elected by people, no conspiracy needed
@@crimea2513 The guy does have a point about the color revolutions and the massive financial support for Pashinyan. Although that isn't the reason they got wrecked in this war. They got destroyed because they believed in their own propaganda and dogma about their racial superiority over their neighbors. It's sad and ugly to see an entire society fall into mass delusion.
I am from Ezidxan Iraq i stand with Armenia
you try you die you cry you try again you die again you cry again why armenians does not understand that Turks are always being more powerful and protective? Those 1915 stuff happened just because armenians cried and said "give land". There is no genocide planned, these things happens. Imagine mexican group in usa tries to get in an independence war, what would america do? Kill, protect your own lands, win anyway. USA killed more than 500 million indians when they went there tho. So st*u and learn to do not cry, if you cry you just look funny and disabled. Btw im not talking about the video i say this because people are still saying bad things about Turkic governments and calling them as "barbarian".
When people cannot coexist, war and suffering is inevitable.
stupid comment
@@unliebsam that’s rich coming from pepe the frog
@@thecarlob_007 atleast im not commenting ignorant things on a topic and history i dont know anything about like you
death and grief for the people of the world because a few in power enforce nation states and borders, aka divisions preventing people from cultivating a caring HUMAN community regardless of culture. Harrowing.
Armenian election is like a cheap Indian series.
I mean at least we have elections we don’t inherit presidency loool.....
People need to understand that no one win in war. Seriously when I land ever valuable than human life, as humanity we should a least Stan for ourselves as a whole. All leaders should watch grave of fire flies
u born yesterday? some studio ghibli anime movie isn't going to change their minds
@AAABBB BBBAAA you are right and it is good to avoid war as it not only kill soldiers, but also a number of innocent lives including children. It also cause destruction and carnage in many untold ways. However, the war is inevitable for the Armenia and Azerbajian as Armenia illegally occupy Nagorno Karabakh despite UN says it is Azerbajian lands and rebuking peace talks. Not saying Armenia deserve all that deaths, but Armenia had it coming to their doorstep the moment their leaders stubbornly held on lands which are clearly not theirs. Had they come to recognize UN recognition of Nagorno Karabakh as Azerbajian lands, the war would not have occured in the first place and Armenian would not have fled that land.
@@aaronlimeuchin7352 So what it sounds like your saying is, If the U.N had done it’s job for once none of this would have happened
Only the people with land have that luxury, most of the world has to defend their lands with blood.
You honestly don't see that level of passion for politics here in the UK, these days when we are called to vote on a general election a lot of people here simply can't be arsed to even go and put a cross on a piece of paper. So many in the UK are more concerned about Britain's got talent than an election that will shape their futures. we need to be more politically minded and question how our country is run and what can we do to support the economic growth of the uk.This of course will never happen, the average person doesn't care and the politicians love it, that's why brexit is such a disaster. In comparison to Armenia I love their passion and respect for their lands, even after the Turkish committed genocide against Armenia they still stand tall with pride and will fight to keep the right to their lands and cultural identity. I love the good people of Armenia. Peace, love and empathy to you all.
Here's a tip to those who get a question from a journalist *Never say no or "no comment" when they asks you a question*