Germany's Podracer-esque Bomber: Blohm & Voss P 170

2023 ж. 26 Мау.
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In this video, we talk about the Blohm & Voss P 170 , a proposed schnellbomber (fast bomber) design that (I think) strongly resembles the podracers from Star Wars. We talk about what the general concept of schnellbombers were supposed to be. We also talk about potential advantages and disadvantages of the P 170's strange design and why it would never be accepted or made in any capacity. Finally, we take a guess at how the P 170 would have performed if it had been made.

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  • We got free coffee at my work. I doubt that whatever Blohm & Voss offered their employees was legal even at the time...

    @michaelpettersson4919@michaelpettersson491910 ай бұрын
    • Never heard of Pervitin?

      @BartoszDudziak@BartoszDudziak10 ай бұрын
    • Of course! And someone has access to herr gorbubbles stash !

      @mikeyratcliff3400@mikeyratcliff340010 ай бұрын
    • More likely BEER.

      @griffg55@griffg5510 ай бұрын
    • Meth? It was issued to soldiers so I wouldn't be suprised

      @LastGoatKnight@LastGoatKnight10 ай бұрын
    • Bet they were on Pervitin or chocolate with methamphetamine

      @redtsar@redtsar10 ай бұрын
  • If Kelly Johnson had designed it, there would be semi-circular winglets outboard of the end nacelles... If Jack Northrop had designed it, the fuselage would be shorter, cockpit forward, and the powerplants reversed to be pushers. If Nikolai Polikarpov had designed it, he would have been ''reassigned'' to the Gulag.

    @HootOwl513@HootOwl51310 ай бұрын
    • >> hey! don"t knock the Gulag! they got some great work out of the crinimal Tovarischs!

      @grandcrowdadforde6127@grandcrowdadforde612710 ай бұрын
    • @@grandcrowdadforde6127 Zeks, gulag prisoners - certainly "58s" political prisoners - were forbidden from addressing camp staff as "tovarisch" or referring to themselves as "Bolsheviks".

      @realhorrorshow8547@realhorrorshow854710 ай бұрын
    • @@realhorrorshow8547 >> i was being sarcastic!

      @grandcrowdadforde6127@grandcrowdadforde612710 ай бұрын
    • That's an honest way to put it. Give that one design to others and you got a different one from each designer

      @jehoiakimelidoronila5450@jehoiakimelidoronila545010 ай бұрын
    • @grandcrowdadforde6127 why double space all the words? Makes you look like you got a stutter or something.

      @12b_engineer@12b_engineer10 ай бұрын
  • Got to admit Blohm and Vost built some fascinating weird planes 👍

    @jerrybailey5797@jerrybailey579710 ай бұрын
    • ​@@jzsbff4801"Mustard". 😉

      @Zerzayar@Zerzayar10 ай бұрын
    • They were definitely creative, and most of their designs from "outside the box" actually worked.

      @ricardodavidson3813@ricardodavidson381310 ай бұрын
    • G'day, Designed, certainly..., and they built some Oddball Concepts. But they Never BUILT any 3-Engined Semi-Tailless (Schnell) Bomber. (bummer...). The MOST Correct Answer, was Of Course...; The DeHavilland Mosquito... Such is Life, Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !

      @WarblesOnALot@WarblesOnALot10 ай бұрын
    • Cutting edge... especially considering the year of development.

      @jerryjeromehawkins1712@jerryjeromehawkins171210 ай бұрын
    • Gotta admit nazies though we're evil built cool stuff and we're snappy dressers

      @miguelcastaneda7257@miguelcastaneda725710 ай бұрын
  • German engineers - "lets see, what kind of bomber platform and we produce that will be really different. Hold my beer while I show you my idea."

    @oscarjonesxxx2893@oscarjonesxxx289310 ай бұрын
  • There's a game I used to play called Crimson Skies...one of the planes was called a Curtiss-Wright P2 Warhawk. Amazingly similar!

    @allanparisien7976@allanparisien797610 ай бұрын
    • Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Cool game on PC. The X-Box-Game i have never played.

      @mst3kguy754@mst3kguy75410 ай бұрын
    • Llooks like Crimson Skies devs took all wacky aviation live ideas and put them into the game. it is not the first airplain from the game I recognize

      @KryptLynx@KryptLynx10 ай бұрын
    • That was a brilliant game, I remember my sons playing it as kids.

      @seanmccann8368@seanmccann83689 ай бұрын
    • That game is still my favourite game of all time. Everything about it was just awesome. Would pay serious money for a modern version... They also used Henschel's Hs P.75 as the secret fighter you steal in that one mission.

      @Mr.McWatson@Mr.McWatson3 ай бұрын
  • One caveat you totally forget to mention and a strong reason TO NOT MAKE the design, is that each frame uses up THREE ENGINES which could be used to build three fighters of which Germany desperately needed to fight the Reich from bomber raids. The three engine design is pretty much why the project would never take off (quite literally) because those resources are too precious to the war effort at that point.

    @LudosErgoSum@LudosErgoSum10 ай бұрын
  • Oh, so that's what inspired that one Crimson Skies plane. I always wondered if it was based on something real, but never thought to look at bombers - the game made it a heavy fighter.

    @richmcgee434@richmcgee43410 ай бұрын
    • The P2 Warhawk, yeah, tiz less the spitting image and more a bolt-for-bolt copy. Gloriously powerful, if slow, though...

      @DeetexSeraphine@DeetexSeraphine10 ай бұрын
    • I just saw this vid and this is exactly what I was thinking.

      @dorsk84@dorsk848 ай бұрын
    • As soon as I saw it I got serious nostalgia so that's the plane!!!

      @thewritinglefty4889@thewritinglefty48898 ай бұрын
    • Came here to see if someone had already mentioned this lol

      @tristikov@tristikov7 ай бұрын
  • The main problem I can see is the weight at the end of the wings. It would most likely result in a roll rate that is measured in minutes not seconds.

    @gideonsgate9133@gideonsgate913310 ай бұрын
    • I could see some sort of interesting German overengineering to help with that, such as a complex auto throttle to induce engine torque as a roll rate booster.

      @scullystie4389@scullystie438910 ай бұрын
    • More of a problem for a fighter. Bombers in WWII weren't exactly maneuverable.

      @unvaxxeddoomerlife6788@unvaxxeddoomerlife678810 ай бұрын
    • The weight overall would be a problem. Wing-tip engines would call for a more robust wing, and the third landing gear puts on the pounds. And the issue of the pilot being that far behind the CG. Interesting concept though.

      @riconui5227@riconui522710 ай бұрын
    • In a bomber that's a feature, not a bug.

      @HotelPapa100@HotelPapa10010 ай бұрын
    • you could have put the actual engines in mid-wing and just a connecting rod toward the end, so the propeller would be on the end doing its job regarding the vortexes and the main weight more toward the center, reducing the need to strenghten the outer wings. Also I don´t believe the rudders would have caused problems since many tailless aircraft designs ( not the flying wing ones obviously, the Rutan planes, SR-71 etc. ) had such rudders at or near the wings ... except not at or near the center of gravity which lessens their effectivity.

      @thingamabob3902@thingamabob390210 ай бұрын
  • Something you didn't mention is that plane would have been weird to fly. The initial g forces would be opposite of a normal aircraft as the tail cockpit swings the other way around the CoG. Then It would immediately reverse to the g forces applied to the whole plane. I imagine it would be highly discomforting

    @timbrwolf1121@timbrwolf112110 ай бұрын
    • Plus bad roll rate.

      @BlackMasterRoshi@BlackMasterRoshi10 ай бұрын
    • @@BlackMasterRoshi someone needs to do an analysis of the g forces santa would sustain in a dogfight.

      @timbrwolf1121@timbrwolf112110 ай бұрын
    • Not true. Turn radius is always far greater than the wingspan, so from the point of g-forces it makes little difference. I imagine it would seen a bit odd to fly at first, as a touch of rudder would give you a sideways sensation. Not a problem though. At one time our local bus company bought busses that had the driver's seat about 5 m forward of the front wheels. I asked a driver if it seemed odd after driving a normal cab-over bus. He said, yes, until he had turned 2 or three corners and was then used to it.

      @keithammleter3824@keithammleter382410 ай бұрын
    • @@keithammleter3824 yes, but wouldn't this design ten to "swing" the tail like a weight on the end of a string in a hard turn or bank and increase the G-force?

      @t.c.2776@t.c.277610 ай бұрын
    • I look and my 1st thought is “… hmmm outside engine failure on takeoff” 😨

      @kristianhartlevjohansen3541@kristianhartlevjohansen354110 ай бұрын
  • Remember that the British Mosquito was basically a "schnellbomber" and it was arguably one of the most successful planes of the entire war. This proves that the problem in this case clearly wasn't in the idea, it was in the execution. A lightweight tri-motor fast bomber could have been a fantastic idea if it had been executed more conventionally, with the two outboard engines mounted mid-wing rather than on the ends and a conventional tail.

    @marcusmoonstein242@marcusmoonstein24210 ай бұрын
    • The Soviet Pe-2 "Peshka" was a pretty good schnellbomber as well, as far as I know

      @GooseOfYork@GooseOfYork10 ай бұрын
    • But wing tip mounting has its advantages. It makes much lower interference drag, and propellers counters vortex formations. It also makes wing construction lighter - it is a flying wing approximation.

      @peceed@peceed10 ай бұрын
    • I think the Italians might disagree with you on that score and could give you multiple examples of their own more conventionally designed tri-motors that were less than successful.

      @rbilleaud@rbilleaud9 ай бұрын
    • @@rbilleaud that's because the sm79 was outdated by ww2 standards when it came out, and was very slow despite its triple engine design.

      @GooseOfYork@GooseOfYork7 ай бұрын
    • When the Mosquito appeared, Hermann Göring said "that's what I keep asking for!"

      @RundSchneemann@RundSchneemann7 ай бұрын
  • Blohm and Voss had some of the wierdest designed aircraft that never made it past the drawing board. This shnell bomber is certainly no exception. There was another Blohm and Voss design where this plane was piloted from a pod at the wingtip. The second pod at the opposite wingtip served as a gunners station. Not sure how this odd aircraft would have flown. It appears that many of Blohm and Voss's designs were rather unique and ambitious.

    @jimfinlaw4537@jimfinlaw453710 ай бұрын
    • Thats what you get when you order aircraft from a shipyard,,,

      @nox5555@nox555510 ай бұрын
    • @@nox5555 Blohm and Voss brough Hamburger Flugzeugbau.

      @williamzk9083@williamzk90838 ай бұрын
  • The pc version of Crimson Skies had an inspired version of this. That game and Il2 1946 made me fascinated with prototype/never were planes.

    @kksmith244@kksmith24410 ай бұрын
  • The deHavilland Mosquito was arguably the only successful Schnellbomber.

    @anzaca1@anzaca110 ай бұрын
    • Dont forget the Arado turbojet Blitzbomber

      @Schlipperschlopper@Schlipperschlopper10 ай бұрын
    • @@Schlipperschlopper I didn't. The Arado was almost exclusively used for recon. The few times it was used as a bomber, it proved almost incapable of hitting anything. Compared to the Mosquito, which was well-known as being very accurate.

      @anzaca1@anzaca110 ай бұрын
    • @@anzaca1 untrue, but there were only very few missions flown with the Arado Blitz and only very few planes available at all due to turbine shortages. They waited for the stronger BMW 018 turbines that later became the french Snecma Atar) The old Jumos were not quite up to the task.

      @Schlipperschlopper@Schlipperschlopper10 ай бұрын
    • ​@@SchlipperschlopperAnd that's another reason why you can hardly call it successful...

      @SBT300@SBT3007 ай бұрын
  • Definitely B&V getting deeply into weird designs. What a horror to land with all that fuselage in front of you. I would like to build an RC model to see if it would actually fly.

    @robbierobinson8819@robbierobinson881910 ай бұрын
    • Someone else said they saw a video of an RC model so it may already exist

      @DrHundTF2@DrHundTF210 ай бұрын
    • any RC will fly, since they make 1000+hp per ton. now replicate the power to weight ratio of the thing... i've seen bricks and non aerodynamic objects fly because foam is just a cheatcode.

      @comethiburs2326@comethiburs232610 ай бұрын
    • @@comethiburs2326 oh the +real+ cheat code is “wing area grows by square, weight grows by cube” 🤷🏻‍♂️

      @kristianhartlevjohansen3541@kristianhartlevjohansen354110 ай бұрын
    • Well, in larger planes the tail section tends to be the safer one so... 😅

      @qdaniele97@qdaniele9710 ай бұрын
    • I would like to see that!

      @sandman93449dm@sandman93449dm10 ай бұрын
  • This aircraft has some beautiful lines; thanks for making this “what-if” video. With regards to vertical fin placement, Burt Rutan’s series of canard wing, pusher prop kit planes (the VariEze and LongEZ, etc) put the vertical surfaces out on the wingtips. Beautiful planes, and, like Blohm & Voss, Rutan designed some groundbreaking asymmetric and unconventional airframes. Now I’m going to find the video of the RC version one of your other viewers mentioned!

    @beejay7665@beejay766510 ай бұрын
    • A key difference with Rutan's Long-Eze canard is that main wing tips are swept well aft of the center-of-gravity, giving the outboard rudders significant leverage. This also positions those small vertical fins far enough aft that they can contribute to yaw (heading) stability. Finally, on Long-Eze, rudders only deploy outboard, making them drag-rudders ... similar to B-2 flying wing bomber.

      @robertwarner5963@robertwarner596310 ай бұрын
    • @@robertwarner5963 Robert; I’d forgotten they only deflect outward. I thought that was a great design feature, to double as speed brakes. I never made it to Oshkosh for any of the fly-ins, would love to chat with the builders

      @beejay7665@beejay766510 ай бұрын
    • The Handley Page HP75 Manx had the same wingtip rudders, in a pusher configuration.

      @terraplane1116@terraplane11168 ай бұрын
  • this is a really cool design i don't think that gets talked about enough. same with some of the other Asymmetrical designs that Blohm und Voss came up with, like the P.163, or their asymmetrical flying boats.

    @SomeOrdinaryJanitor@SomeOrdinaryJanitor10 ай бұрын
    • I'm convinced these asymmetric designs where the inspiration for another Star Wars craft. The B Wing

      @flatcapfiddle@flatcapfiddle10 ай бұрын
  • More accurately, the Luftwaffe concentrated on shorter range, twin engine aircraft better suited to the roll of tactical bombing in support of land forces. And they may have concluded an unescorted long range bomber would be vulnerable to enemy interceptors as was the case with USAAF bombers before the P-51 came along.

    @scootergeorge7089@scootergeorge708910 ай бұрын
    • Starting with the Spanish civil war theLuftwaffe were quite happy bombing civilian targets in just about every European country. They just weren’t very good at it.

      @annoyingbstard9407@annoyingbstard940710 ай бұрын
    • @@annoyingbstard9407 Guernica

      @scootergeorge7089@scootergeorge708910 ай бұрын
  • Ah yes, the Warhawk from Crimson Skies.

    @peepsbates@peepsbates10 ай бұрын
  • im so glad to see this channel getting the attention that it deserves =]

    @gsamov@gsamov10 ай бұрын
  • Unusual aircraft designs are one of my favorite topics and the P 170 is certainly one of the most.

    @alexmontgomery255@alexmontgomery25510 ай бұрын
    • How about aircraft that actually got built? Not just some marks on a sheet of paper.

      @sandgrownun66@sandgrownun6610 ай бұрын
    • @@jzsbff4801 Rare alright. Just a few doodles on a sheet of paper.

      @sandgrownun66@sandgrownun6610 ай бұрын
  • Would be interesting to see a simulated view from the cockpit, very unusual. I imagine taxis and take-offs would have been, er, fun.

    @Wombletronix@Wombletronix10 ай бұрын
  • It's important to note that many twin engine aircraft of this time had opposing rotating propellers to balance out the torque. Notably the p38 lightning which was an oddball of its day as well and turned out to be one of the most successful aircraft in WW2. Considering the timing of its development coinciding with jet engine development, it would be interesting to know if this design could have been adapted to jet engines and what kind of performance that may have yielded.

    @matthewbittenbender9191@matthewbittenbender91919 ай бұрын
  • At last! An aircraft I had no idea about. Thank you for a look at a fascinating idea.

    @edwardmorriale9358@edwardmorriale935810 ай бұрын
  • The German designers always made it so easy for today's sci-fi nuts to imagine what aircraft would look like in some strange alternative future that takes place in the past.

    @twistedyogert@twistedyogert10 ай бұрын
  • Beautiful design and engineering

    @whyalwaysme2522@whyalwaysme25228 ай бұрын
  • there was another one with that mid mounted stabilizers. the Kalinin K-12 was a projected tailless bomber that had a semi-flying wing design.

    @SomeOrdinaryJanitor@SomeOrdinaryJanitor10 ай бұрын
  • Dry humor is the best way to handle most of the paper B&V designs. They were bound and determined to be remembered for their contributions to the air war and they got their wish. They were definitely remembered. For a few silly aircraft and a LOT of silly drawings.

    @MrArgus11111@MrArgus1111110 ай бұрын
    • A glass of beer can also help.

      @neiloflongbeck5705@neiloflongbeck570510 ай бұрын
    • BV company was pretty known for its strange ideas but mostly that was for saving their workers to be not sent to the frontlines

      @PunkinsSan@PunkinsSan10 ай бұрын
    • Weird paper B&V designs *OR* the Eastern front and a rifle, The choice is self evident. :) B&V's *other* notable project was the Battleship Bismarck

      @BV-fr8bf@BV-fr8bf10 ай бұрын
  • J7W1 Shinden and Curtiss XP-55 Ascender had mid span fin/rudder assemblies, both of which flew.

    @kitbag9033@kitbag903310 ай бұрын
    • Yes, Shinden and Ascender both flew, but they both also suffered multiple problems with stability and control.

      @robertwarner5963@robertwarner596310 ай бұрын
  • Imagine getting into a PIO situation with this thing (Pilot Induced Oscillation). Would have been very odd looking forwards over the central engine, with a fin just to the side of you, and every stick input you put in backwards, or forwards, is magnified, by about 4 times what you are used to. Plus it is the elevator you are closest to so as you pull the stick backwards, expecting the nose to rise, instead it is the tail ie you that actually goes down!

    @hoppinonabronzeleg9477@hoppinonabronzeleg947710 ай бұрын
    • The aviation version of the wayward shopping trolley?

      @crabby7668@crabby766810 ай бұрын
  • 8:11 From what I know, having vertical stabilizers in the middle or front is very bad for side slip stability. Side slip means the plane is sorta "drifting" in the air, like it's moving to its left or right. This naturally happens when the plane rolls, for example. Intuitively, you want the rear of the plane to have more resistance than the back when it's moving sideway, so while slipping the plane has a tendency to turn towards the direction it's moving and stops the slip. Like how cars counter steer in the direction it's moving to stop drifting. Having a large tail in the back creates this sideway resistance due to having a large area on the side. A plane with a mid tail like this will have a hard time pointing towards where it's going

    @Tony-pm5xo@Tony-pm5xo10 ай бұрын
    • This is nothing more than a thought in someone's head. Nothing to write a critical report about.

      @sandgrownun66@sandgrownun6610 ай бұрын
  • Blohm und Voss are my favourite aircraft company, such imagination, such an iconic style.

    @markalton2809@markalton28093 күн бұрын
  • While loosing the war, Germany still won the weirdest Aircraft Design Award 🏆

    @comentedonakeyboard@comentedonakeyboard10 ай бұрын
  • I'm guessing pilot vision for take off and landing nixes this design right off the bat?

    @bernardwills9674@bernardwills967410 ай бұрын
    • If it doesn't had any periscope it would be big problem for sure

      @PunkinsSan@PunkinsSan10 ай бұрын
  • Reminds me of both a Porax 38 and a Bellbabub-22. Let's remember that the Bellbabub actually has a central rudder, so a Star Wars fantasy ship apparently adheres more closely to aerodynamic requirements than this monstrosity did.

    @elisekehle8520@elisekehle852010 ай бұрын
    • And the Porax 38 is based off the P-38

      @user-do5zk6jh1k@user-do5zk6jh1k10 ай бұрын
    • @@user-do5zk6jh1k in name, sure but I really don't see it. The elevator does remind me a lot of the cloakshape though!

      @elisekehle8520@elisekehle852010 ай бұрын
    • @elisekehle8520 Was just thinking that this reminded me more of the Punishing One than a podracer. Edit: Soulless one, not Punishing One. Grievous' fighter, not Dengar's ship.

      @minimalbstolerance8113@minimalbstolerance811310 ай бұрын
    • @@minimalbstolerance8113 part of that is the angle of the thumbnail. Seeing the full 3-d model i get the podracer comparison a bit better- the aspect ratio is lower than it looks in this pic, but still, I think Soulless One is more like it. You meant Soulless one, right? Grievous' ship, not Dengar's?

      @elisekehle8520@elisekehle852010 ай бұрын
  • Blohm & Voss thought outside the box.

    @stevenhershman2660@stevenhershman26608 ай бұрын
  • Despite your conclusions on the design, there was a r/c model of the aircraft built and flown at an event in New York State a few years back. The name of the builder escapes me at the moment but the plans for it are available on E-Bay. Therefore there was some soundness in the design. In fact there are a number of Bhlom & Voss designs that have been built as r/c models. I personally have 2 sets of plans for the B&V 208 and the B&V 215. You never know what will or won’t work until you try it!

    @thomascarmichael6760@thomascarmichael67608 ай бұрын
  • fantastic looking

    @mabbrey@mabbrey10 ай бұрын
  • Very interesting and the models were excellent . Let's hope the model companies realise more of the fascinating Bloom und Voss aircraft in kit form .

    @clouddog2393@clouddog23934 ай бұрын
  • Crimson Skies took inspiration of this plane with the Warhawk. What a lovely game.

    @guilletous89@guilletous8910 ай бұрын
  • Miles developed some atypical wing structures. Like the Miles M.39B Libellula. One feature was a swept wing. Also s forward canard wing. The Italian SAI-Ambrosini SS.4 had an unusual wing setup. And the Curtiss XP-55 Ascender.

    @terminusest5902@terminusest590210 ай бұрын
  • I love the far out designs of WW2 the Triebflügel is my favourite by far but this is amazing as well.

    @trentweston8306@trentweston83067 ай бұрын
  • The Westland-Hill Pterodactyl V had wingtip fins, but it's hard to tell from photographs whether they had rudders or acted as rudders or were just to increase use resistance.

    @silverstreettalks343@silverstreettalks3437 ай бұрын
  • Rutan Long EZ has wingtip rudders but many other differences. Thanks for the video. I'd never heard of this A/C design.

    @coastalbbq1@coastalbbq110 ай бұрын
  • The twin fin design helps with the control issues in case of an engine failure you mentioned. You have a vertical tail in the propwash of the still operable engine, making it more effective.

    @HotelPapa100@HotelPapa10010 ай бұрын
  • The Japanese J7W1 had wingtip mounted rudders as did the McDonnell XF-85 though to a lesser extent since it also had a rear-fuselage mounted vertical stabilizer.

    @thomasdouglas7525@thomasdouglas75257 ай бұрын
  • Re. Schnellbombers. It is ironic in that it was the British who made the concept work VERY well during WW2 with the DH Mosquito. It is also interesting to note that since WW2 we have moved away from the heavy bomber idea & more toward the schnellbomber concept (aided by various detection avoidance strategies).

    @Kimdino1@Kimdino17 ай бұрын
  • The rudder location is probably to take advantage of the thrust from the engines. that way they can be made smaller over all lighter airframe.

    @monkeypainter808@monkeypainter8088 ай бұрын
  • This design looks like one of the best candidates I've seen for swept forward wings. it would shift the center of gravity to the rear.

    @sammymartin7891@sammymartin78918 ай бұрын
  • I think the rudder position is thought to be improved by being in the thrust line of the engines, making the rudder more effective for its size.

    @MartinG8199991@MartinG819999110 ай бұрын
    • Yes but .... its short distance aft of the center-of-gravity limits its leverage.

      @robertwarner5963@robertwarner596310 ай бұрын
    • It would have been a pig to get out of a spin.

      @kennethrodmell9006@kennethrodmell900610 ай бұрын
    • It's been rumoured that Unicorns are aerodynamically unstable too.

      @sandgrownun66@sandgrownun6610 ай бұрын
  • It really is a thing of beauty. Aside from the death bombs that is.

    @harmlesscreationsofthegree1248@harmlesscreationsofthegree12487 ай бұрын
  • Whenever I think I've seen all of German designs there appears new video of another unknown amazing design. The abundance of aeronautics ideas from that era is mind blowing. They had tried and tested everthing available.

    @abryg8655@abryg86558 ай бұрын
  • It seems to me that having vertical stabilizers in line with the outboard engines may hrlp increase yaw response and stability, especially in engine-out situations. I'm reminded of the P-38 whicj could be nanagd quite successfully on one engine, although it does have a significant amount of wing area beyond the nacelles. Just a thought.

    @cal-native@cal-native9 ай бұрын
  • This looks like General Grievous's star fighter

    @Crazy_Talk96@Crazy_Talk9610 ай бұрын
  • Nicely explained --thx rollf

    @rollfpeters5159@rollfpeters515910 ай бұрын
  • I like it. It prolly wouldn't ta worked very well, but it sure looks neat! It wasn't mentioned, but it looked to me that from wing tip to wing tip, it seemed exceptionally wide. If I'm correct, that would be another disadvantage. Good show!!

    @evilchaosboy@evilchaosboy10 ай бұрын
  • What The P38 shared a common configuration with that twin rudder, And it was a success, But they put those twin rudders at the aft end of the aircraft! I bet this thing was real fun to bring in on the landing strip!

    @billt6116@billt61169 ай бұрын
  • Thank you for a great video on yet another German design I had not heard of. I think the reason having the rudders behind the engine pods ls to improve the rudder authority by putting it in the slipstream of the prop just like most single engined aircraft. There is no doubt, as you say, the poor test pilots would have had their hands full if it had been built. It's yaw characteristics would have been interesting. I would hat to have tried to side slip it into a field.

    @neillangridge862@neillangridge86210 ай бұрын
  • Wow that's a seriously cool machine

    @kiwidiesel@kiwidiesel10 ай бұрын
  • In case of failure of one of the wingtip engines, the other wing tip engine can provide enough airflow on the rudder behind it to counteract the turning tendency. Likely, this was not possible if the rudder was placed in the tail.

    @andrearisso4792@andrearisso479210 ай бұрын
  • A version of this plane was used in Crimson Skies. An awesome alternate history setting full of concept aircraft and pulp fiction of the early 20th century.

    @ZeroFoxtrotGolf@ZeroFoxtrotGolf7 ай бұрын
  • Now this is MasterRacing

    @felizago@felizago8 ай бұрын
  • I thought of the XB70 for big wing tip stabilizers .. that ship had “tail” fins but those were disproportionately small when compared to later twin tail supersonic fighters (F18 F14 F15 etc)

    @blairkinsman3477@blairkinsman347710 ай бұрын
  • the lack of of a rudder behind the cockpit is weird. the lever effect on that position would be amazing. they could easily safe the mass of both these siderudders

    @S1nwar@S1nwar8 ай бұрын
  • I had a microlight with the odd tip rudders on it, no tail but a canard at the front as an elevator. It was called a Pterodactyl, the tip rudders basically just induced yaw. It was an odd thing to fly and I was pleased to sell it and get something more conventional.

    @silverdale3207@silverdale320710 ай бұрын
  • Plus ground handling would have been a bloody nightmare! 😂😂

    @martindice5424@martindice542410 ай бұрын
  • One of the reasons multi-engine bombers tended to have twin vertical stabilizers is that it improves ground handling because the stabilizers are in line with the back thrust from the engines. At high speeds this doesn't matter because the airflow past the fuselage gives plenty of bite to a single vertical stabilizer, but when taxiing the airflow is too slow so having the engine thrust directly hitting the stabilizers helps the plane turn. On the PV170 having a standard central stabilizer would have been a problem because it would have been so far back from the center engine; the two stabilizers behind the outer engines would have been even more effective for ground handling because they were so close to the engines.

    @rutabega2039@rutabega20399 ай бұрын
  • As a light aircraft pilot...that thing would be a horror to fly, take off and Land...especially Take Off!!!!

    @user-jy8sb8gh3g@user-jy8sb8gh3g8 ай бұрын
  • I made this goofy bastige a couple years ago in Simple Planes! Was really fun to build. I even stayed true to the camo by having it bi-colored. Sadly, I never uploaded it, as depression got the best of me and murdered my motivation/desire to do things I enjoy. Anyways... Nice to see this bird get a video made about it by someone! Well done.👍

    @DUKE_of_RAMBLE@DUKE_of_RAMBLE10 ай бұрын
    • Must have been cool! Hope you’re doing better now. Wouldn’t wish that feeling on anyone.

      @PhantomP63@PhantomP6310 ай бұрын
    • @@PhantomP63 Fun indeed! Especially when I slung a Pak 40 (75mm) HE cannon under each wing ☺️ _(instead of the rocket pods)_ And thank you. Headed to the cabin tomorrow, so 🤞 that will be a helpful escape! I've said the same, that I don't wish depression on even my worst enemy! 😣 Sucks a bit extra for those of us where it's genetic, and not a temporary thing. Just taking it a day, a week, a month at a time. 🙃 Take care

      @DUKE_of_RAMBLE@DUKE_of_RAMBLE10 ай бұрын
  • The vertical stabilizers being so close to the wingtip engines would have the potential for additional control authority via the high speed (if somewhat dirty) air coming from the propellers.

    @coredog64@coredog6410 ай бұрын
  • Gotta love Herr Doktor Voght! Genius and lunacy. Such a thin line between the two.. 😂😂

    @martindice5424@martindice542410 ай бұрын
  • I now need Deiselpunk 1930-1940s-esque version of pod racing.

    @mauser98kar@mauser98kar10 ай бұрын
  • The ruder at the wing tip can help further reduce the wing tip vortices, potentially eliminating them entirely.

    @Kualinar@Kualinar10 ай бұрын
  • Estos cabrones hacían diseños alucinantes.

    @jositom@jositom9 ай бұрын
  • The rudders were placed that they would have better asymetric effects in cass of an engine out situation, though I think the rudders would have to have isolated controls.

    @jeffpetersen2723@jeffpetersen27238 ай бұрын
  • These rudders would act more akin to the elevon/spoiler type of stuff on the B2. Create drag on the inside of a bank. I'll bet this plane would gave been a high pucker-factor in a spin.

    @coreyandnathanielchartier3749@coreyandnathanielchartier37499 ай бұрын
  • The model @6:15 has all 3 props rotating in the same direction, based on the spiral paint on the spinners. :) And yes, the mechanicals of controlling the rudders would have been bad - cables up the fuselage, then out the wings, then back thru the engine nacelles. No fly-by-wire back then.

    @mentorofarisia371@mentorofarisia37110 ай бұрын
  • “Do you drive stick?” ‘Nein’

    @sonsofthewestredwhiteblue5317@sonsofthewestredwhiteblue53177 ай бұрын
  • Pretty cool. The do335 is still my favorite ww2 aerial oddity

    @AB-bw5yc@AB-bw5yc10 ай бұрын
  • Great video

    @MGB-learning@MGB-learning10 ай бұрын
  • Very interesting ! 😮 There are in fact other planes with that wingtip rudder design. -I thought I remembered something akin to the DH Swallow prototype but I only found: Armstrong Whitworth A W 52. (I also believe that Burt Rutan designed something like that). Cheers from Iceland 🇮🇸 -K

    @karlbark@karlbark10 ай бұрын
  • I've flown "Scale" and "Funfly" Radio control A/C for a long time. One of our best "events" is the Warbird fly In. If you've got a scale Warbird, bring it weather it 's airworthy or not. Blohm & Voss were a favorite among R/C'ers who wanted something different other than a P-51, Spitfire, ME 262 or Corsair. It's one thing that R/C'ers do pretty well and that is to build all the weird, one off or drawing board A/C that never became popular. This A/C is fascinating and though I've never seen a model of one, I'm sure there's one out there somewhere that's flown at least once ! (flying a R/C airplane once is easy, anybody can do that . . flying it twice is the hard part ; )

    @uuzd4s@uuzd4s10 ай бұрын
  • Another plane I would like to see turned into a scale model.

    @mannywilliams6409@mannywilliams64098 ай бұрын
  • The stress on that wing would be ridiculous!

    @cpfs936@cpfs93610 ай бұрын
  • I wonder if the tail would be a air brake tail to slow down the plane and act as control surfaces. Also make divebombing easier.

    @goodstormsgames9744@goodstormsgames97447 ай бұрын
  • I wonder if they removed the rudder from the tail due to the rear position of the cockpit, which would block the rudder from the airflow it needs to be effective. If the cockpit was placed further forward, that wouldn’t be as much of an issue, since the air displaced by the cockpit would have more time to come back together & ‘normalize’ its flow profile before hitting the rudder. If you’ve ever seen the flow profile of a ball in a wind tunnel, you’ll see that the laminar air flow becomes turbulent immediately behind the ball, generating vortices. But these dissipate once you far enough behind the ball, & flow becomes laminar again. By having the cockpit at the tail, a tail rudder might have been tucked in its slipstream & have reduced control.

    @westtex3675@westtex36757 ай бұрын
  • The P 170 predates Star Bores by many years, so you have to say that the Star Bore pod racers look like P 170's and not the other way around.

    @gregmonks@gregmonks8 ай бұрын
  • Our Cavalry and Infantry Generals who were in charge of the Army Air Force made the same stupid mistake with the Brewster Buffalo that Corporal Adolph Mede with the 262, they loaded them down till they couldn’t fulfill their intended function. Our Generals insisted on loading the Buffalo with self sealing tanks and armor, which the Zero wasn’t burdened with and Hitler insisted that the 262 was a bomber.

    @billietyree2214@billietyree221410 ай бұрын
    • People seem to massively overrate how difficult adding bomb racks to the 262 was. As for the Buffalo, I don't think being lighter could have saved it. It's really cool an charismatic plane, the Finns had success with it, but against poorly coordinated early Soviet types. Be interesting to know if those had the self sealing tanks and armour or not.

      @agdgdgwngo@agdgdgwngo10 ай бұрын
    • ​@@agdgdgwngoEarly Soviet planes had an armor plate behind the pilot, about 7-8mm

      @tastethecock5203@tastethecock520310 ай бұрын
    • The Brewster F2A was a Navy fighter, so those above-mentioned gentlemen would've had no input. But the [Navy] Bureau of Aeronautics did load it down with silly stuff like pilot armor, more MGs, self-sealing fuel tanks, flotation devices [ping-pong balls], tailhooks, and all of that did slow it down. Finns stripped that stuff off and kicked VVS' a$$ with the Buffalo. [But, yes the Surface Navy thought they were Top Dogs before LtCmdr Genda, Minoru, IJNAS proved them wrong,] The late Fuehrer of 3rd Reich Germany was only ever a Lance Corporal. [Never an NCO]. He did have a chance at promotion, post-war, by going undercover to spy on a weird political workers party for the German Army, but he blew it by buying their line of guff, and adding his own fiery rhetoric. They liked it so well they made him their Fearless Leader.

      @HootOwl513@HootOwl51310 ай бұрын
  • Well done. Subscribed.

    @DrJoy-cw7lt@DrJoy-cw7lt10 ай бұрын
  • Some RC enthusiast somewhere must have made this model, I'd like to see it fly.

    @mattsmedley.onehandedgamin9029@mattsmedley.onehandedgamin90297 ай бұрын
  • 6:28 - Weight distribution - Actually, if most of the plane's weight was in the middle, the wings would need to resist more bending loads than if the weight was more evenly distributed along the span. Putting the engines at the tips would actually help, though not as much as if the engines were halfway between the fuselage and the wingtips. There is the issue of bending loads when the airplane is on the ground, but they've taken care of that by putting landing gear under the fuselage AND in the nacelles at the tip. The thing though, is - where to put the bombs? I suppose I can see them on pylons under the wings, which would help even out weight distribution even more...

    @iskandartaib@iskandartaib10 ай бұрын
    • Sort of related, but the CRJ has limitations on how much fuel can be in the fuselage tank when the wing tanks are below a certain value for exactly this reason.

      @PhantomP63@PhantomP6310 ай бұрын
  • I’m convinced Blohmm & Voss were trolling the entire military aviation industry

    @waynetemplar2183@waynetemplar21838 ай бұрын
  • The JU88 was constantly upgraded JU288 snd JU388 The fastest of them was as faster than a P51 on war emergency power

    @uncletom2962@uncletom29628 ай бұрын
  • Ace and Gary would have loved this!

    @GunsmithSid@GunsmithSid10 ай бұрын
  • The vertical rudder positions make sense. Frequently, at the time, rudders were placed directly behind engines. This ensured optimum authority for minimum surface area of rudder. The benefits being lighter weight and minimised drag.

    @davidgifford8112@davidgifford811210 ай бұрын
  • Excellent video my friend...... Old Navy Flying Shoe🇺🇸

    @steveshoemaker6347@steveshoemaker634710 ай бұрын
  • That's *almost* the coolest looking thing *ever!* I wonder if any model kits of it exist..? 🤔 🍄

    @the_unrepentant_anarchist.@the_unrepentant_anarchist.10 ай бұрын
  • The Rutan Long EZ has a similar rudder design but the (single) engine is in the back of the fuselage. The pilot is further forward and the stabilator is a canard type in front of the pilot.this a/c is exceptionally stable and it suggests that the B&V design was not particularly well sorted out.

    @billeudy8481@billeudy848110 ай бұрын
  • Spins would have been brutal, being so far back.

    @greghardy9476@greghardy947610 ай бұрын
  • Although it does look like a podracer, it reminds me more of General Grievous' "Soulless One" starfighter based on the Belbullab-22 which were often used either as a heavy fighter or tactical bomber.

    @anm10wolvorinenotapanther32@anm10wolvorinenotapanther3210 ай бұрын
    • Agreed it kinda looks like the CIS bomber

      @FATMAN_tactical@FATMAN_tactical10 ай бұрын
  • Fun fact. On YT there is few vids of flying RC models. That means this plane could fly somehow

    @PunkinsSan@PunkinsSan10 ай бұрын
    • Nuts, you can fly a rock with enough horsepower on a FV aircraft.

      @oscarjonesxxx2893@oscarjonesxxx289310 ай бұрын
    • @@oscarjonesxxx2893 that a true. Most of the looked pretty similar to that what you said.

      @PunkinsSan@PunkinsSan10 ай бұрын
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