A Thin Sheet of Reality: The Universe as a Hologram
What we touch. What we smell. What we feel. They’re all part of our reality. But what if life as we know it reflects only one side of the full story? Some of the world’s leading physicists think that this may be the case. They believe that our reality is a projection-sort of like a hologram-of laws and processes that exist on a thin surface surrounding us at the edge of the universe. Although the notion seems outlandish, it’s a long-standing theory that initially emerged years ago from scientists studying black holes; recently, a breakthrough in string theory propelled the idea into the mainstream of physics. What took place was an intriguing discussion on the cutting-edge results that may just change the way we view reality.
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Original Program Date: June 3, 2011
MODERATOR: John Hockenberry
PARTICIPANTS: Gerard ’t Hooft, Leonard Susskind, Raphael Bousso, Herman Verlinde
John Hockenberry's Introduction 00:15
Participant Introductions. 06:32
What is the Holographic Principal? 08:43
Are we real or are we just holograms? 11:40
Why can't information just go away? 14:53
How was the debate with Stephen Hawking? 18:53
Can we map every element in the known universe? 21:30
Where did you find the information being stored? 26:09
Finding the exact amount of information in a black hole? 33:02
Physics can describe everything in a 0 or 1 bit per Planck area. 40:10
What excites you about the Holographic principal? 46:58
Who thinks the Holographic Principle is rubbish? 57:24
Is there a more basic state that quantum mechanics? 01:05:44
What position do you all take on the Holographic Principal? 01:09:54
The universe is a giant computer. 01:18:30
The limits of knowing everything. 01:24:30
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I wonder what this Holographic Universe Theory is holding up or possibly rearranging or being completely debunked now with this new data from the very first image of the black whole this week in 2019.
@The Truth of the Matter Nothing wrong with that Equation. Yes Paradoxx, means quantic behaviour. So what's real is on the equals sign, unless we have started assigning values to symbols at any side of the equation, where by instructing a specific timeline on the Universe out of it's quantum nature.
@The Truth of the Matter having the same point with you here. As trying to get the best description of nature, we account for degrees of freedom. TOO MUCH INFORMATION my mmmmannnn :) To account for is not related to Freedom, it is related to determinism. Always best to approximate in discrete values, and include a random seed for Chaos, rather than have a body like water with a table, and giving you the velocity and position of each molecule, the better the description, the more scrambled is gonna look. So why not have a n dimensional object, say a Turing Machine, enable occurences in time we can't account for in the Universes, as in a Computer that's most respected UV-IR connection available around here and todays....Confusing ? may, as you start into looking into more precission is gets more and more fuzzed out, that's how we arrived to Fuzzy Logic in computing, for a starter's example...or like when you dispose of Time, the wave/particle equation dissoooolves...Truth of the Matter is THE man..end and period.
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It really doesn't matter what kind of reality you think you're living in. One thing for sure you are witnessing the greatest magic show in our universe. The here-and-now 👁
Children around the world right now are screaming for help as they die from starvation and dehydration. Wow, what a cool magic show bro!
@@TheGuiltsOfUs there is nothing I can do about the adults being brainwashed ancient calendar conscious tribal Barbarians suffering from Mass psychosis. Brainwashed sheep divided into war Pig Nations. Things are like this because of the adults running the planet , it has nothing to do with our reality and this planet. I'm against all 193 Nations and their over 2,400 false religions they Harbor. That's the damn problem. I am well aware of the situation. There is a child starving to death every 10 seconds because of the ancient calendar conscious systems of War Pig Nations.
@@TheGuiltsOfUs People dying from starvation and thirst probably don't do a lot of screaming.
@@unexplainedaf7469 how do you know have you ever seen a 3rd world country? Hell is real the evils realm not made of a all loving creator with all the money in the world kids are eating MUD cookies 😢 only a world that would let children die like this when they can help then but don't is hell your all in hell there's nothing good about this place we call earth but hell let the evil have this shit hole ill move on where I don't have to pay on a earth I was born on! Old greedy men and woman are demons will billions and billions of money can they buy seeds and Clean water 😢I pray there's nothing after this because children don't need to suffer no matter what these so smart men are talking about! If they research on ending world hunger the way they talk about black holes this hell hole would be a little better! Iqz of a dam fly thinking they are something special
@@unexplainedaf7469 screaming they are -- maybe silently , because it won't be heard
The level of passive-aggressiveness among these physicists is ASTRONOMICAL
The Cosmological Comedian in the house :) Punny guy with a sunny disposition
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I was born with many difficulties in my life. Although I am not fully educated, I have a strong love for science and the universe. Thank you for bringing it to me. Love you
Suss-Kind has the name, looks and mind of a wizard. We are blessed with his lack of arrogance (and all these gentlemen) whilst attempting to connect vast fields of complex knowledge, then carefully stepping it down for us plebes to comprehend some semblance of it. These are early days in the scheme of things. Great marvels to come.
It's like video game characters tying to figure out the truth of their existence as video game characters but using video game physics to describe the computer they run on. It's impossible, which is why there is a conflict (unless of course the designer put the information there that describes it)
I find it best to ask the programmer what He wants us to know and do - the game plays better that way.
@@quovadimus3312 Really? I find it better to not assume the answer before you have evidence.
The problem is that you are still assuming the answer when you have the perceived evidence based on your interpretation from past events, based on a faulty computer running in safe mode at best. You can never know or understand what the Creator wants/or is after without direct input. Otherwise you are assuming/judging by the limited created things that are in degenerate mode. my off the cuff thought.
@@quovadimus3312 lets not assume its faulty, a computer, running in safe mode. until we have evidence.
Yeo. That what Buddhism has been saying for thousands of years. A flame can not burn itself. A finger can not know itself. and a universe can not know itself
The question at the end, "Do you think we are just a projection...do you think we are actually real?" the problem is, a projection is just as real as anything else. It's just a matter of mechanics used to accomplish reality.
Thoughts from within my soul Manifested in the physical Intentions, are critical Reflections of my inner growth, projected to the visual
It depends of the point of view. Like is a reality a simulation or a reality. It's a reality from the point of view of the simulated observer, but a simulation from the point of view of the programmer, or any observer that lives in the same "reality". I even happen to think the terms reality and simulation an describe the same unique thing but can take one name or the other depending on the point of view.
I've thought of this, but i think the idea of "is it a projection or is it real?" is actually a different question. The question they're asking is "is it a projection or is it NOT a projection." - with a predefined notion (or at least sort of kind of one) of what a projection is, what its properties are etc.
_"Do you think we are actually real?"_ Nothing in the physical realm is real. Bcuz everything in it, changes. So, matter does not stay true. Thus, the physical realm is an elaborate simulation. However, there is a part of us . . . that never changes...
E=Mc2 At the speed of light every thing is energy there is no difference hence hokins is correct and we are not projections
"So, you're saying you guys are friends ?" - This is the moment when I realized this guy is a damn genius. Incredible and enjoyable presentation, thank you.
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@@miguelchippsinteligente6072 wtf
So nice to see Professor Susskind, I wish my math teachers in high school were even a little like him.
It's 3 in the morning on a Monday in July 2020 and I'm binging these science festivals. I think I have a condition. Perhaps... Science-philia.
ElectroShock Perhaps you are just easy to amuse? How can you call this conversation a science? Just some people shooting the breeze. None of things they're talking about could be checked or verified by experiments. Just because they can write a whole bunch of math doesn't mean the stuff becomes a reality. Notice - they're talking about black holes like it's an established fact. Fact! It is not. And if you think of the image of a black hole they paraded recently, remember all those images of Nessy and Bigfoot. They belong the same category of mythical monsters .
@@Jolly_Rodger Nope, not even remotely in the same category as religion. Before most of our current theories were conjectured, people in the medieval days would have not only laughed at you but I'm sure they'd have burned you at the stake. Well now we know that black holes exist (and yes it pretty much is an established fact) and invisible light (electromagnetic radiation) exists, etc. These ideas are still scientific hypotheses and perhaps the theory of everything and these hypotheses are 31st century physics that fell into the 21st century. Currently we don't have the technology to explore reality at the planck distance. It would take a particle accelerator the size of the whole milky way galaxy to explore reality at those incredibly tiny distances. I wouldn't be so rash as to throw out those ideas because they could be leading us down a path as other ideas did before our current widely accepted theories. In science, you ought to have an open mind but not so open that crazy ideas like superstition and religion take over. That my friend would be pseudoscience.
@@StaticBlaster _"Before most of our current theories were conjectured, people in the medieval days would have not only laughed at you but I'm sure they'd have burned you at the stake."_ I love that statement. But you speak of the physical realm as if there exists within the elaborate illusion, an abundance of reality. _"It would take a particle accelerator the size of the whole milky way galaxy to explore reality at those incredibly tiny distances."_ Which cannot be if we use simple logic and deduction. Since everything in the physical realm changes. Therefore, nothing of matter stays true. (If it's not true, it's fake) While reality itself is unalterable.
Let the epidemic begin.
Average American, what is reality?
I appreciate the effort you put into the video description this is all very professional and easy to follow.
Me before watching this video- "Oh this looks silly but I'm bored. I'll give it a listen.." Me after watching this video- "OMG THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM!!!!"
But guess what!!! You still have bills to pay and kids to take care of.. Dosnt really change anything.
@@randyg666 very true. But as I'm paying bills and taking care of my kids, sometimes I like to think about things like reality and the universe and consciousness...things like that. Deep thinking intrigues me and puts me in a good mood. That's why I love videos like this.
@@mamashell4467 i do also
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@@randyg666 nothing wrong with being more aware
This host is an absolute G. He kept this hilarious. Man if you're out there thanks for the entertainment factor.
The idea of the universe being described as bits at the plank level makes sense when you think about the books and digital media. You can have a billion digital books that fit on a disk the size of your hand. Apply that on a cosmic level and you can describe the universe using far less space to encode the information. Incredible...
Luck 🤞 w/ all
It is absolutely fascinating to be hearing all this coming straight from the sources who worked directly on this theory!
these people are dumb af
It took me half of my life to understand Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, thanks to the evolution of information it was pretty fast to get what Hawking meant with his radiation but I don’t think I’ll have life enough to see the demonstration of this idea. However I have great respect and gratitude for all those beautiful minds. I wish you well.
what a nice comment in the midst of people talking about crossing dimensions with multidimensional UFO beings communicating via chakras
VERY HAPPY TO HAVE PARTICIATED WITH YOU..as ALLWAYS THANK YOU VERY MUCH ...PEACE
I love it when minds like this come together ...😍😍😍
Fabulous discussion. Thank you to all participants!
WoW! Fascinating... and I didn't think I knew or understood anything about physics, but not only could I follow what was being said and suggested, but I even enjoyed exploring the ideas and agreed with things that prior to this, I'd never even heard of before! So what a brilliant moderator to keep it simple enough for even people like me to not only enjoy, but to be disappointed that it concluded as soon as it did ... just when it was becoming even more Fascinating! Thank you so very much ... even if it's probably very old theory by now.
I thought I’d recognized your voice, Dr. Greene. Awesome seeing you here 😊
I think it’s great the physicist questions quantum mechanics or what underlies it. It’s the questioning people and the ones who are suspicious that learn new things.
John Hawkenberry and I have at least two things in common: (1) We are both well educated people, and (2) neither of us are qualified to sit as moderator for such an important occasion. His commentary was too often banal and self-serving, and his attempt at humor was (not infrequently) an embarrassing distraction. Among the moderator's responsibilities is to "direct traffic" - he is not there to be educated while the audience observes his education. John was too often inclined to articulate his command of the subject instead of quietly listening (without interrupting) while his educators were allowed to enlighten and, well, educate. In short, as intelligent as Hawkenberry may be, he is decidedly not a physicist and rarely knew what to make of the information these brilliant minds advanced. Brian Greene or Lawrence Krauss would have been far better suited for the occasion.
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It's quite astounding how deeply ancient alchemical and Gnostic elements have become embedded in our most "cutting edge" science. The holographic nature of information was noted by many of the first alchemists. And indeed, almost the entire intro to this forum was steeped in ancient mysticism. Several times the speakers highlighted the importance of the Hegelian dialectic in physics, though they didn't call it that. It's a historical fact that Hegel was an alchemist, and one can draw almost exact parallels between alchemical principles and Hegel's dialectic. Even the idea of the "singularity" is a deeply Gnostic concept. There is a kind of Eschatological strain in technocratic elites today, from Elon Musk to Ray Kurzweil. I can't help but thinking that computer technology has revived a kind of new cybernetic school of alchemy that is just as mystical as it is rational. I'm wary of any elites that push Eschatological ideas, because these ideas always lead to the Eschaton... otherwise known as "the apocalypse". I think the archetype of the mad scientist should seriously be explored by more critical thinkers today before we let a group of high priests lead us into an unnecessary apocalypse. It's at least worth exploring, one would think.
well, someone needs therapy
I hate looking at the comments section sometimes
@@laur-unstagenameactuallyca1587 what's wrong with this comment?
Michael Talbot introduced me to this subject god rest his soul 🙏
Bonjour, merci. Je suis d'accord avec vous. Très bonne journée.
We are infinite awareness having a human experience. There us no you or I. All experience from every matter in this universe will all revert back to one single consciousness.
That's what I like to believe too.
I totally believe u .. Wow that is mind blowing ! How can I learn more ?
& we/all have reached the end & now we are leaving life backwards I hear ..
@Roger Loquitur I know it’s a scary thought 💭.. but it could be true 🤷♀️ we really don’t know .. just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it’s not true 🤷♀️.. you can have ur belief & I can have mines .. we don’t have to fight to the death about it 🤦♀️
@@intuitivetasha113 unfortunately history declares that we do have to fight each other to the death because of 2 different belief structures, and there is usually a third party at play funding both sides as they fight. But I whole heartedly agree with you.
The description of knowing the position of every molecule in the sea / being able to windsurf is a really good way to teach people the concept of obfuscation in the cybersec world
Very well placed. Learning to surf need not understand the micro / macro understanding of the sea you surf on.
Information in cybersec. TOO MUCH INFORMATION. AND MOSTLY BEING USELESS BUT IMPORTANT INFORMATION !
I got two for you all. 1: What is the Relativity of Reality? "How can you deny my reality, when it is the only reality that I know?" 2: What is the result of a Light Prism being Refracted? "Take a basic Light Prism such as those crystals my grandma used to hang in the kitchen = to make the room glitter with rainbows of color when the sun's light hit them. Take that concept of conversion and combine it with the fallowing: We all know that if you face two or more mirrors twords each other they will infinitely reflect further and smaller each time. Then you mix that aspect, with the aspect of what happens when you fracture something. Say something like a simple slab of glass. For this example say it is a 3d rectangle slab of glass, This would mean a possible total of 6 sides. but many forget that if you were on the inside viewing out rather than from the outside in you would also have 6. So, now you have 12 sides. What would happen if that slab of glass shatter? How many possible sides of view could you get? That is the second aspect needed to create the concept of a term I coined "Refracted / Refraction" Therefore with all that in mind, what would the possible results for something like Light, visuals, energies, vibrations, ect. be if such had to go through a scenario like that?" I am serious about getting other peoples thoughts on these questions. I have wondered these things all my life, even as far back as before preschool. I just did not have a way to convey or understand completely all the terms, equations, and such at that time. I still find new ways to understand and associate things ect. Please let me know by replying below with your, "Ponder this thoughts.""
Much love...thanks for fixing the audio mid stream🇺🇸💖🙏🌟💯
This is awesome, I loved every second of it. Fascinating stuff!
@1:05:45 I love that honest and wise answer. If only i could make gloves made of "i dont know" I would smack the host over and over with it.... so disrespectful
This explains how I've lost so many socks. If there's too much in the washer, the code for my left sock gets lost. Thanks, panel of scholars!
Checking in from MA, this was amazing and super informative, thank you!
it is interesting to imagine life, reality like this, like a hologram, like a matrix. Just like information is stored to create computer, vídeo games, that create the sense of depthness, of mechanics, of light, the universe itself may be like this too. An infinite amount ou information stored somewhere forming what we perceive as time and space, creating the illusion of depth, time, etc. This is a very interesting concept, it even supports the time travel theory, because, once the information of the universe is stored somewhere, it can be recreated, if they come back to be interpreted, in the state they were before. If this is true, then future can also be created, developing the way information is stored and is affected, the upcoming information must also be somewhere stored, only "waiting" to be interpreted! the way we perceive things and the reality may be a illusion, just as the concept of space and time. All this information can be stored somewhere, in an extradimensional field. What am i saying? I don't know, just playing with my thoughts!
Mind Blowing. Extremely intriguing.
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Can't wait to see the sequel: Finding Neo, :)
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Thank you John for raising to the general public that our reality exists as a hologram. The title is shortly wrong, but its content is right and it shows the close relation between matter, dark matter, energy and information of organizing systems. The black hole is the "cosmic machine" which arranges the organized systems in their relations among matter, dark matter and energy. The relations among these 3 crucial existential quantitative and qualitative components are quantified and qualified through the cosmic laws and expressed in information. The information in itself is not a component of existence, but it expresses the relation among the crucial components in their composition of organized systems. So, the information is used by any "cosmic machine" like black holes in their superlative role of rearranging systems in our universe. So, if it is accepted the role of such superlative "cosmic machines" as the great Einstein said "from nothing comes nothing, from something comes something", Einstein although in his theory of Relativity did not give much explanations for the quantum mechanics, because of his human death which stopped his work, he accepted that quantum mechanics was the next step, which can be explained through the superlative role of black holes as "cosmic machines", and the quantum mechanics is aligned with the relativity theory through the string theory, which clearly deducts logically and it will prove mathematically that our universe is not the only one. So, the information exists universally in dependence of the cosmic laws, which interfere with specific laws of physics, chemistry, biology, which differ from one galaxy to another galaxy, because of the size of the black hole where the galaxy is located. But, the physical forces, the chemical elements and the organic and inorganic systems differ in their arrangements from one galaxy to another, depending on the location of the black hole that they are located. So, the grand question always has been answered by the ancient philosophers and scientists, although of lost documentation which means lost knowledge, that the cosmos which means multiverses exists universally in dependence of the cosmic laws and not on the level of human knowledge. The best physicists, chemists, biologists and other scientists of associated sciences in our planet always are those, who try to know what the ancient knowledge has left documented as much as has survived from the Sumerians, ancient Hindus, who have left some knowledge as a direction that we should acknowledge because we are only one civilization of planet Earth.
Yes a theory that hinges on another unprovable theory, again, and again and again and again every theory becoming exponentially less likely each time it uses theoretical calculations to prove itself is, hardly admissable as proof in the most scientific sense of the word. I say this to say that, the "General Public" as you said is in no way convinced that we are in a hologram or a simulation. It's fun and highly entertaining to entertain these "Thought experiments" but at the end of the day (and in the beginning too) that is all it is. A thought experiment that can never be proven or disproven beyond mathematical calculations in the scrap books and on the chalkboards of Madmen. "You're have to take my word for it.. For now".
@@ambidex5383 lay your hand flat on the table and hit it as hard as you can , is that a projection , think not ! yes you are quit right !
ive got work in the morning its 1 am i've started and i'm not going to stop till it ends. this rabbit hole is too interesting
As Gerard stated at 1:04, maybe information is lost to us as observers but ultimately is not lost because it branches off into another reality that we can not observe.
Excellent observation
Gibberish
My vote is for t'Hooft. I like his skepticism. And he's the only one on stage with a Nobel prize... so far.
Not true. He is not the only Nobel laureate
Noble prizes means nothing. Obama has a Nobel prize. Lol a peace prize on top of that lololol how many drone strikes happened during his administration?
My 0.02 cents: I’ve been mulling over a pet theory of mine for several years, but I don’t know enough physics to put into robust terms. It’s the notion that the universe exists in two separate but interrelated phases, a bit like roadways. There’s a kind of “construction” phase, where the roads are laid out and connected to each other; and then there’s a “usage” phase, where vehicles pass along the roads in a predetermined way (now that the road system has been solidified). But it’s not static, more like how volcanoes come into being. The “construction” phase is very chaotic and random, but once solidified the laws of physics can only follow certain paths. And then there’s new construction and maintenance (of the roads, say). It’s kind of messy because you need to construct on top of existing structures, or destroy (or transform) the previous structures. This is happening continuously, but not everywhere. In our part of the universe, it’s all ordered and stable… but perhaps in pockets (or centers of galaxies or in black holes) new construction is happening. [There’s something inconsistent or not quite right about this part of the idea, and it may not even be relevant…] It may be that the Big Bang was a time of massive construction and now we’re at a stage of the universe where everything is orderly and deterministic (mostly) throughout the universe. But, remember, like volcanoes, the “construction” phase of the universe is random. There’s no “designer” (like the engineers planning a road system). It just happens, and coalesces into a way of being that must follow the “paths” or “laws” that have been laid down. But there are pockets of randomness, where things happen without antecedents or anything to cause it. They may be constructive (as happened in the Big Bang, but in a localized fashion), or they be destructive [or maybe not]. And, like a movie (that’s being produced live, e.g. a reality show), the “information” evolves as part of the “construction” phase, but they way the information is being projected into “reality” is determined by the structure that was “constructed” to make the movie visible to the audience. Another analogy is a record. (Does anyone remember what these are?) The sounds are etched into the structure of the vinyl, but don’t become “real” until the record spins and a needle connected to a playback system is put into action. The record is “fixed” (once constructed, but is dynamically formed during the construction phase); and the sound that is played is dynamic (and can be replayed over and over again, coz it’s just the emergent property of the record). Something like that anyway.
I like how they explained everythinf nicely,unscientifocally,for all us laymen .
So much good information in this talk. Thanks for an amazing conversation.
The panel delivers and is extremely insightful. One of the greatest things I've ever seen on KZhead.
These are among the world’s most distinguished physicists.
I wish there were no non-scientist MC's in all such round table discussions of topics in physics.
Okay, here's my question. Imagine that I'm a sculptor, and I make things out of wax. I make two figurines - one of a person, one of a cat - out of the same amount of the same kind of wax (same color, etc.). Now a jerk comes by, steals my figurines, takes out a metal cup, heats it up, melts down one figurine in the cup, lets it cool, pops it out, puts the other one in, melts it down, lets it cool, pops it out. Now, instead of two figurines, we have two identical, cup-shaped blobs of wax. Haven't distinctions been lost? Haven't the positions of molecules that made one of the figurines cat-shaped and one human-shaped been lost? Isn't this information loss? I guess what I'm asking is: isn't all entropy a form of information loss? For instance, if I had hot water in a shape in a pool, where the rest was cool water, eventually they would mix together until I had an undifferentiated luke-warm pool. What makes the kind of loss in a black hole more problematic than the kinds of information loss I've just described?
I wonder of the video was after the discovery of quarks and gluons.
They give macroscopic examples as a way of trying to make it more intuitive and clear to people who don't know the math of quantum mechanics. It is a macroscopic question in some sense but really they are talking about how quantum mechanics dictates the wave functions should be deterministic and reversible. I don't think I'm really qualified to give you a satisfying answer but I know just enough to say the question arises from very fundamental aspects of quantum mechanics. I will say though that if you're looking it up look up the no-hiding theorem as a place to start. As I understand it entropy is increased by melting the wax sculptures. They converged into a mostly equivalent state where their past is hidden from us but it still exists. There are multiple macroscopic trajectories through space-time which would be indistinguishable to us. The total information (hidden + accessible) stays the same but entropy increases what is hidden. The issue with things falling into a black hole is that the wave functions of all particles are removed from existence. It's not hidden, it's gone. This would break down the math of quantum mechanics which otherwise describes what we see in experiments extremely well. Personally I feel like with topics this deep in physics you either have to buckle down and get a PhD or just go with the flow and trust the guys that have them. Their over simplified examples of phone books falling into black holes can sometimes confuse you more but it's hard to explain accurately to people like me who never learned the math of quantum mechanics. That's why they give us the short cut explanation.
I believe that there are not five senses. It seems to me that as humans, we have but ONE sense - the sense of touch. We hear because sound waves touch our ears. We taste because the food we place on our tongue makes physical contact with our taste buds. We see because light waves touch our eyes. We can smell odors because the scent in the air touches the sensors in our nose. We "touch" the world.
Another person bringing religious habits (belief) to science. That said, what you are offering is what I call a Potentially Useful Perspective - a small slice of truth at best. In your case, you fail to take into account the different physical mediums being sensed (chemicals, electromagnetic waves, air pressure, etc.) so you perspective is crude.
@@wbiro ~ Religion? What the hell are you talking about? And no, he didn't "fail to take into account" the incredibly obvious. He just didn't feel the need to say it like a ten year old would.
Actually it’s a the electro-magnetic force/repulsion you’re feeling. You never really touch anything. So yes touch is a sense.
And proprioception?
People are so quick to bash another's opinion.unreal..
The late, great Dr. Chuck Missler was the man who piqued my interest in the _holographic principle._ I am forever indebted to the knowledge he instilled in me.
Brilliant man
"Be still & know that I AM" the quantum sum of all things visible & invisible!
dude thanks for that comment I am now put on some g shit
@@josephfarrell9316 look up his video “the holographic universe”
Another great and fascinating discussion! 👏👏😍
The guy hosting the seminar is amazing
Hazing! I want to watch what young physicists think. Old stories we’ve heard.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart! Loving this.
This is such a treasure! Thank you!!
Utmost respect for Dr good luck with your meeting
I love it, honest physicist. There's something beneath quantum mechanics the IR-IV. Which is likely the basis for the holographic universe in my personal opinion.
26:30 "..bits of information don't have a definite location.." just brilliant, When Leonard said this the question that pop into my head "where is the information for this statement?" Every audience member and all future youtube listeners, and heat vibrations in the lecture room and other places as well.
Remote control via brain activity location has already disproved that.
I read a few years ago that we begin as the points of light at the 3 corners of a triangle. This triangle is an image of light and as it spins it looks like 3 points of light called quarks, which Gell-Mann won a Nobel prize for theorizing. Seems that quantum physics is about noticing that everything everywhere is spinning. The whole environment is spinning/rotating. And this constant rotating begins with triangles which are images. Waves of energy and light awareness must be coalescing into photons which are rotating as triangular images. The physicist Kenneth Ford wrote in his book "The Quantum World" that everything is rotating. I think that the significance of the eye within the triangle of the dollar bill is that there is awareness as creation is happening. Creation is constantly happening with awareness. It takes awareness to create images. From the book "The Quantum World" written by the physicist Kenneth Ford, are these words: 'bursting forth are quarks spinning billions of times a second as 3 points of light forming protons and neutrons". Notice that protons and neutrons are atoms. We all consist of 7 billion billion billion atoms. Atoms are spinning billions of times a second as triangles of awareness. The whole universe is being created as triangles of awareness. This means that there is not one thing that is physical or solid or material. Our skin, organs, blood, are spinning as images which are triangles of energy and light. This is how we are literally being created in the image of God, because God must be a holodeck since we are holograms. Of course I have read a few books to write that. I read the book "Hands of Light" written by the physicist Barbara Brennan. And I read most of the Seth books channeled by Jane Roberts. These books are where I found the triangle words as images of light. Brennan wrote in her book that we are eternal, holographic, multidimensional and electromagnetic energy and light beings. I read the book "The Holographic Universe" by Talbot. And I had a NDE or near death experience as a child where I became aware of energy beings around me. They spoke calmly and with much attention to me. I felt them. I bonded with them in the midst of all the bitterness and violence around me.
"Be still & know that I AM" the quantum sum of all things!
@@tomzeman5964 Hey, you got a highlighted reply image ! Would you be amazed at the comments I get that say I am off my rocker and totally bloody mad for the words I write? Those words are not even my words ! The books I read say subatomic particles are spinning/vibrating/pulsating so freaking fast that we and all of existence is constantly being created as holographic images. There is just no way around that. Creation is constant ! That means there is no such thing as death ! I think EVERYONE should be joyful about that, but NO..........they all just want to argue. Being holographic images that are projected by those quarks/atoms means that these quarks/atoms ARE the forms of our literal souls. Atoms are electrical energy fields. These souls look like electrical energy fields. Pictures/diagrams of these electrical souls and the holograms they are projecting can be found in the book HANDS OF LIGHT written by the physicist Barbara Brennan. This book was published first in 1987. Our images are being projected by our own souls. Isn't that exciting? What is called physical are the images our souls want. After all, they need a way to get around on this planet. Since we ARE these images, our thoughts are images. I have healed myself super-fast just by telling myself I can. I had to read that in books first. Then I had to practice.
Holographic Principle and Simulation Theory are my 2 favorite Subjects. ♥
Between 16-17 mins: "You guys are friends then?" "Of course we are..." Please, don't invite this moderator again. He is diluting the conversation and interrupting the flow of thoughts. I came to watch accomplished physicists speak
I like the moderator.
/ðəmaɪndɪzfɹi:/ the moderator is epic
***** It's the moderator that "reduces" the high level concepts into a form most people can understand, not only physicists.
***** Have you heard the song by Sade.. Good Moderator..?
The moderator is top tier.
I just love Leonard Susskind. Watching his high level lectures on KZhead was very insightful, he has a way of being one of the most clear and didactic person I've ever seen.
Goes to show. I find Susskind's lectures are almost ad hoc. The lack of a articulated structure, for me at least, makes the learning experience more difficult. It's as though he doesn't spend much time on preparation. The breadth of his knowledge is profound of course.
I cant stand him,he comes across as a nasty has been with a chip on his shoulder and a bad attitude to science,he also thinks he is above showing enough respect to call someone by their name
There definitely is some bull krapping going on and some laughs and snickers among each other and there Theorys
I peed a lot yesterday.
@@mikerodgers7620 Very intelligent and productive...
Really appreciate it 😊 Thankyou! 😊
Sadly this presentation was almost unwatchable at times due to the moderator's interruptions. It's a difficult enough topic to wrap your head around, but it felt even more scattered than it needed to. The guests were unable to complete their thoughts in some cases and salient points seemed to get lost. Still a privilege to get to see these great experts. You always learn something new. Love the WSF channel and its videos.
Sometimes these guys will ramble on - it is the moderators duty to stop them & give others a chance to speak
In consideration on 01:04:00.00 there is the established observable phenomenon of molecular decay; perhaps there could exist infomation lost through time perhaps "time" has an oxidation property
Time is stored in the cloud, from a earlier version of the game. When we pass, we can access that information.
This is amazing!
I came here because my experiences on Out of body travel made me awake The portal to this higher realms, dimensions, is within us, it is the seat of the soul, also known as pineal gland, third eye. once you meditated in your dreams and focus your Consiousness in the middle of the eyes, it will open up a like spiral wormhole tunnel and your Consiousness will travel through it in the speed of light and you will see how vast our universe really is.
Amazing! So perhaps it all is a pulsing archive! But the a pre-quantum theory gives a new spin . Enchanted
Its so hard to watch these with the moderators. I’d love to see these panelists from all of these videos sit down and have a physicist like Brian be the moderator.
This one was OK.
George Arndt I have no problem with humor, in fact if you watch my favorite comedians you might think I’m nuts, as they’re pretty out there. However, for academic topics like this, I’d prefer to hear full thoughts rather than interruptions and jokes. That said, the guy was fairly funny I’ll admit. Just not the right place imo, which in all honesty isn’t even his fault, it’s not like he sanctioned all of this.
George Arndt I definitely understand the setting, it’s a public science event which is great. However more times than not the moderator makes it harder to follow, imo.
George Arndt i just have a problem with non funny humor this guy was ass
I like humor or else it would be dry but it just seemed like this guy felt the need to interject sometimes.
If the universe is encoded into an N - 1 dimension that would mean we need some sort of space filling curve to connect each of the regions of the encoding. If that space filling curve could somehow be a function of mass/energy could it describe the gravitational relationship across regions of the encoding? The result might be a space filling curve which has radically different paths depending on the surrounding regions. (Paths here refers to the connection of regions in the encoding and the shortest distance between 2 encodings.) It seems like you might be able to model space-time curvature mapped onto a 2D surface this way.
Amazing Passion for science in those people very contagious
Good thing we have Theoria Apophasis. He can explain this. Black holes are a part of it - considering they are constantly pumping an enormous amount of hydrogen (protium) into this universe.
Just when you thought you knew where a black hole might take you - poof its gone ! i love physics *.*
the moderator always ruins these events because he never knows enough about the topics to tell the speakers when to shut up and (more importantly) when not to shut them up
I did think he was a little bit on the "interrupty" side. It wasn't TOO bad, but more than I'd have liked.
Great panel discussion!.I like the breakfast example, you ate it but you might not remember what you ate.
I've imagined the laws of physics as representing some pattern etched out in a larger surface that our Universe is filtered through. Maybe hollogramic principles can be used to explain the laws of physics? This is way beyond what I can understand, but facinating none the less!
The Plumber done well against Darth Vader: both names in a positive sense.
The deeper you dig on this topic, the more you see that it's the most rational explanation. Susskind will be Einstein in 50 years when everyone wakes up.
It's part of the solution. I think it's something so profound that we may have another understanding of reality and better theories even before this holographic view can even be used to do useful stuff or integrated in an actual theory of everything (if such a thing is even possible).
@@jojolafrite90 all the information about everything is infinite and eternal present and stored in the Quantum field (Quantum Consciousness) but the objects made of matter and a bit of that information can get pulverised, crushed to, reduced to its elementary particles who then afterwards can be used for the construction of other objects .... it's like a 3D printer : information and brute material for building a object .... Our physical body also are returns to ashes but our spirit (our consciousness or profound information of ourselves, souls) is returning to the Universal Quantum Consciousness or "God" ....
Tom Campbell explains it very well
It seems so wildly impossible to imagine that the people still willfully in a comatose state after a year of this insanity... will ever wake up. I don't know what to think any more... Sometimes I'm certain it's all a mass awakening happening at turtle-speed, and all is perfect; divine timing. Other times... watching zombies in masks, salivating with excitement over the mark of the beast... that's when I lose my ability to hold on to hope... (I also heard David icke speak in an interview about the coming of 6g and 7g! How will humanity survive that?)
5G must have got to your brain
Did anyone notice how this gentleman took the introduction with outstanding, professional performance? If I was in the back, I'dve struggled to not clap to what would've seemed random. But Tech's get it! Oh my! One of thee best presentation self introduction I've ever seen reallly. Flawless! Side note: 4th to the last/bottom in your flip-side cue-list is a typo. About physic, I feel should have been a then rather a that, I think it was.😞😊 Anyways Baller ass physicist moment 15:40 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, go. Next a reestablish shot! Push in and go!
I think all matter that falls into a black hole may be turned into pure energy as matter implodes into it's pure "matter", which is energy.
Just because the universe is a hologram doesn't mean it isn't real or doesn't exist.
+Angie L Right. If the hologram is real so must we be too, we are the hologram, if we are not real then the hologram can not be real.
touché
We are real but only as an illusion
The nature of reality being different from our conception doesn't change the fact that there is an objective reality. Regardless of its nature the universe is happening
This reality in which we live, is only a small part of the greater whole.
Enlightening!!!
Imagine the vast expanse of the universe, covered in countless Planck pixels, each representing a fundamental unit of space. Visualize these pixels as tiny building blocks of information, forming the fabric of the cosmos. On each pixel, envision a vector of light, emitted from an evaporating black hole situated precisely on that pixel. These vectors of light carry crucial information, encoded in their properties, offering us glimpses into the underlying nature of the universe. Cosine theta, a mathematical term representing the angle between the vector of light and a reference direction, holds significance in our exploration. It provides a measure of probability, indicating the likelihood of the pixel being in a particular state, such as 0 or 1. By examining the collective behavior of these vectors of light across the vast array of pixels, we embark on a fascinating journey of understanding relativistic motion. As we zoom in and scrutinize an individual pixel, we encounter a deeper level of information. The vector of light on that pixel interacts with the gravitational field of the black hole, leading to subtle variations in probability. This intricate interplay between radiation and gravity unravels as we explore the pixel up close. However, when we step back and observe the pixels collectively, a remarkable emergence occurs: relativistic motion reveals itself. In this framework, the comparison of vectors of light relative to each other becomes the key to defining and characterizing relativistic motion. By examining the interplay of these vectors and their cumulative effects, we unlock the understanding of velocity and acceleration within the relativistic framework. To illustrate this concept mathematically, consider the equation: velocity (v) is defined as the product of cosine theta (cosθ) and the speed of light (c). Symbolically, it can be represented as v = cosθ * c. This equation signifies how the angle between the vector of light and a reference direction, as encoded by cosine theta, directly influences the resulting velocity. The rate at which velocity changes then becomes our measure of acceleration, reflecting the dynamics of the system. In summary, by imagining the universe covered in Planck pixels, with each pixel housing a vector of light from an evaporating black hole, and by collectively examining the behavior of these vectors, we embark on a journey to define and comprehend relativistic motion. Through the intricate interplay of probability, radiation, and gravitational fields, we uncover the fundamental principles that govern the dynamics of the cosmos.
I think the matrix is a interactive video game that knows what we are thinking and what we imagine becomes reality in future timelines or even in past timelines...
or current timelines
you got that right
If information can be lost, our concept of reality begins to breaks down.
Rubbish.
First you need to know if black holes exist...
"our concept of reality" will break down long before that ? One must first have a concept of reality first... For it to then break down?
Be yourself John❤
There is something that surprised me in this incredible conversation and it is something that I don’t see many scientists talking about, if ever, which is the fact that particles change their behavior when they are being observed, the double slit experiment proved that. Science has this idea of analyzing things as if they are independent, as if they are this thing that can be separated, isolated and analyzed on its own physical properties as if it is independent from the whole, cut off, but is this possible? When it is isolated, does it change the information that can be analyzed from when it was part of a system? I think that’s a very linear way of thinking, we still don’t know what Consciousness is and how it affects the physical world. For instance, would the Consciousness of an Alien being have the same affect on a particle and would the Alien get to the same conclusion as a human? Or different levels or types of consciousness lead to different results? Are the properties of the Universe fixed and once calculated will they ever change? Is the Universe based on pure mathematics or is there something else at work? Does a blackhole change its behavior when it is being observed? Does it suck in the information of the Consciousness analyzing it? Does it store on its surface only information from the physical world or also stores Consciousness information on its surface? How do we explain or understand superposition? Why when we split a certain type of particle, when we do something to one of the parts, the other part also is affected even though we didn’t do anything to it? What is connecting this particle when it has been split? What type of field of energy is this? Is it a type of electromagnetic field which the vast distances of the universe have no affect on it? If the Universe is a hologram, touching a quark is the same as touching the whole thing? And does this influence the universe as whole? Is the Universe alive? I think it is alive just like a living person and I think information is a tangible unit just like a photon is. Science doesn’t consider yet Consciousness as one of the building blocks of the Universe. When that gets put into consideration in an equation, everything is going to change.
Quantum mechanics tiptoe the edge of science and metaphysics. There will be a reckoning between them at some point. imo we are the universe and if you get into the study of consciousness and our biology there’s theory that we are singularities with respect to information. That we can accumulate information and create new things from it.
_"consciousness as one of the building blocks of the Universe"_ Interesting concept.
I think that it is unbelievable weird if the Universe really is continously expanding but, it is even more unbelievable and weirder if the universe is all there is and just unimaginably big, both so weird, same with a creator, weird if their is one, even more weirder if there isnt one 😢😅
Yeah it's like totally weird 🤣
Why would it be more weird to not have a creator?
@@WREFMAN because everything just happend out of itself then, which I personally find weird, but you wouldnt find it weird I understand, that everything is just made up out of itself?
@@mysticcity312 That doesn't make sense. Who created your creator? Turtles all the way down?
Blows my mind how such brilliant ppl can be so clueless at the same time. Arrogance at its finest!
I love this guys commentary
Instead of "Where does the information go?," perhaps an equally important - maybe even MORE important question is, "Where does the information that 'makes things what they appear to be' come from?"
The day I seen through the ground in Zelda .... Mind blown! 😂
Ex-plumber Leonard Susskind is my favorite theoretical physicist.
He is still a plumber. A plumber of scientific truths.
Yasss agreed ❤️
Susskind is pretty cool. I've learned a TON from the Stanford lectures he has online. A coworker of mine said he was at Stanford one day and saw him, and approached him and thanked him for all of his videos. He said that Susskind just walked away. That really surprised me - he comes off as pretty nice whenever I've seen him speak. Maybe he was just having a bad day. Or maybe he gets that SO MUCH that it gets old - I could definitely understand that.
Let's not overlook t'Hooft - I've always been incredibly impressed with him. Not saying he's right about everything, but he's pretty ingenious. And I love it that he's maverick enough to buck the community when he feels like it.
@@waify2678 Yes. I saw them long ago. Multiple times. It's so insightful. He is very clear and has better way of explaining things that any other physicist I know about.
Great analogy for death -- the object disappears but the information remains. Here, death itself can be compared to a black hole.
They forget to mention that black holes spin, materials most likely don't just enter, they get spun around and stretched out first, so the information would be on the boundary for a while.
Damn thought I was getting away from Brian Greene then I saw him in the intro video😂
👏 claps for 1 hr after the show ends
We make holograms and in the context of this discussion what is the weight of data, it is there that you might find the answer to gravity. Equally, for humans a hologram display peters out at its extremes, hence horizons in real life. Also if this idea is correct we would like to produce a hologram and collpase it into a black hole hologram.
News: “ Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather.”
26:20 I don’t think that’s a bad question at all. Things do have locations to a degree. A lightning bolt much like a light passing through a slit will travel outward with feelers reaching to the ground ultimately before making its decent somewhere else, two actions happening within less than a section. Seems to me that we need to find out a deeper nature about what where is and how it manifests itself in our universe. Not just shame peoples questions...
Lighting comes from the ground.
Oh my god. This is a question that bounces around in the back of my mind all the time and I thought I was weird for pondering it. I had no idea there was an entire school of thought/legit research about it.
Unfortunately ...most human thought is not unique :)
Space is fake! Outer space meaning the outer space around you! Not up crazy huh 😜
Amazing upload 👑