Why Edmonton Trading Jeff Petry To Montreal Wasn't Actually THAT Bad After All | NHL Trade Trees
2020 ж. 3 Жел.
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Steve Dangle takes a look back at the 2015 Jeff Petry trade that saw the Edmonton Oilers offload the defenseman for draft picks. Everyone likes to look back at this as a colossal mistake by the Oilers but Steve explains why it may not have been a bad deal after all!
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Do an entire episode of Chiarelli screwing over Edmonton with bad trade after bad trade. A solid 4 bad trades in a row to destroy Edmontons present and future
It didn’t destroy it... He did screw us a bit
How many times did the Islanders screw Edmonton. PC always traded with the Islanders and always got screwed
Yeah man I’m for sure he intentionally tried to ruin the oilers and bury them into the ground
@@Mitch91PyroisB0SS No I believe he wanted to help but he was just a bad GM and other GMs knew he was bad and screwed him. Plus his ego got in the way he wanted to be known as the GM that made big moves but the thing with big moves you better have a plan cause it can screw a team badly. PC big move was to trade Hall for a right shoot D man. Okay fine but what’s the plan after that was the problem he made his move then had no plan. Before that traded the 2015 second 1st they had for god dam Rienhart. Instead of using it draft Barzel. Can you imagine Hall McDavid Barzel with Leon playing with Yamamoto and RNH top two lines be set. He also traded Gaggula away and Ebbs and Petrey and Schultz. Got rid of a fan favourite in Maroon that was playing pretty well for Edmonton and brought in Manning the guy that admitted to purposely breaking McDavids collar bone. He also signed MK to a dum contract hurting the cap space even more before he left he fired Todd who I liked as a coach even though we got Tippet who I also like but man the only positive I can think of is PC getting Leon and McDavid on nice friendly contracts. I think Ken done a better job with only one season under him isn’t that crazy and PC had 4 years. And oh sighed Lucic got rid of Hall to fill the spot with Lucic great move there
YES! I want to see OILERS FAN STEVE tear into Chia
The problem with the Petry trade was that if we still had him, we wouldn’t have had to trade Taylor Hall to replace him a year later...
Yea but who would you rather have MCDAVID or hall like come on I’m an hall fan but it a clear answer
@@thesilver1699 id say both but the oilers would be in cap hell by now
@@rockstermaniac yea we would
The real problem is that you guys didn't get to see Boyd Petry as an Oilers fan.
And if you didn't trade Hall, you wouldn't have had to sign Lucic to try to replace him that offseason. And if you wouldn't have signed Lucic, you would have enough money to sign Hamilton or maybe even Hall this offseason
The Craig Rivet trade from Mtl to SJ
Ya that tree is insane. Apparently even the trade for Jake Allen is part of it
Yesss!!
And the Sabres gets screwed with the Craig rivet trade
yessss pleaseee
Do it!!! Legendary trade tree
The problem with justifying the Petry trade with the acquisition of Talbot is that it assumes that the trade for Talbot couldn't have happened using other picks.
Yeah, its a pretty big stretch.
Nah, the price for Talbot that off season was insanely high. The NYR has the excuse saying what he did when Hank left was a real good pull for them, there was a lot of teams that offered for him but they wanted to send him West if anything
That “we dont care, Jeff Petry rules” is so accurate lmao
As an Habs fan, all I have to say is thank you Edmonton!
@Mario Paganini Nah
Yikes 😂
Ahah nah
Marian Gaborik Trade Tree Rangers to the Blue Jackets
I will never stop suggesting this until it happens
That should be a good one!
It ends in Nate Thompson to the Flyers
I have been asking for this trade forever!
The Nash and Gaborik trades are actually connected
that kesler goal still drives me crazy how in the hell does that count?
Duck Kesler
And the Perry interference as well! The refs for 2 games let the Ducks play rugby with Talbot.
Not gonna lie I still think about it sometimes at night. I don't think I'll fully ever get over that series lmaoo.
I'm a habs fan and it shock me hahaha
The only reason it's a good trade for the oilers is because it made them a worse team and they won the draft lottery.
But it was “the” lottery. Was that not enough?
This is very true. As a Habs fan? Do not care. Jeff Petry rules. Jeff Petry freakin' rules.
MacTavish Trading away Jeff Petry led to Chiarelli blowing a 1st and 2nd on Griffin Reinhart. Keep Petry, draft any of Kyle Connor, Barzal, Aho, Chabot (hindsight 20/20). We then traded Hall for Larson after Griffin Reinhart didn't pan out.
The Petry deal wouldn't hurt so bad if we did end up with barzal 😑
Win win. We continue to love Petry, they continue to rake in assets.
Jeff Petry now has 20 points in 21 games
Now has 2 points in 27 games
@@dravenmuskego6008 salty much
@@fabolous514 salty is irrelevant when it is completely true.
So Petry, 5+ good seasons and counting for 1 good season of Talbot and a 6th or 7th D man. sounds like a pretty bad trade for the Oilers. Unless you figure they were gonna lose Petry for nothing if they hadn't made that trade. In that case, 1 season of Talbot is better then nothing.
Revisionist history at its finest. Edmonton fans never change.
Agreed. I don't know how anyone can look at this and think that Montreal didn't win this trade. Edmonton could have re-signed Petry. Hell, they could have done so, and also sabotaged their team another way to lose games and win the draft lottery. And they could have even found another way to trade for Talbot (who they then proceeded to trade to Philadelphia for Anthony Stolarz, who played in 6 games with Edmonton and won...none of them). And like you said, Talbot was only a decent goaltender in ONE season for the Oilers. So the only piece that really counts here is Caleb Jones, and I agree with you there too...he's a career bottom-pairing guy...if he had the tools to be more, we'd have seen flashes of them by now. Over the last 3 seasons, Petry has been a top-20 defenseman by points AND goals. And he plays the right side, which seems to be the more in-demand kind of d-man. Not just that, he also plays the powerplay, he plays a physical (but responsible) game, and he's been a clutch guy in the playoffs. A mediocre goaltender and a bottom-pairing LD do not balance out what Petry has been (and what he WILL be - he's still got at least 3 decent seasons left in him). Also...if Edmonton had kept him, they would NEVER have made the infamous Hall for Larsson deal. They could have kept Hall - after all, he still had 4 years left on his deal at $6 million AAV at the time they traded him, so he would almost certainly have been a player they could AFFORD to keep, and not risk cap hell, even considering they had to pay Petry $5.5 million (which was the deal he negotiated with the Habs). This is because McDavid and Draisaitl were both on ELCs for both 2015-16 and 2016-17, and McDavid's went until 2017-18...so they could have had THREE MORE YEARS of a team with McDavid, Hall, Draisaitl AND Petry, before maybe having to trade Hall (who, let's not forget, was a Hart-trophy recipient in 2017 with the Devils). Now THAT Oilers team would have been scary...imagine how well their 2017 playoff run would've gone with Petry and Hall on board. I think we can be assured that they'd have beaten the Ducks, and maybe even made it to the Cup Final. Years of observations have convince me that the Oilers management has NO CLUE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. None. Now this is slowly starting to change, but they wasted like, 5 years of McDavid's talent figuring it out. It's shameful.
@@joer8854 Revisionist for Habs. It took 3 years for Jeff Petry to explode in Montreal. At the time it was an okay trade. Don't think anyone expected Petry to blow up like did.
Most Oilers fans wanted to resign him although he probably wasnt that interested, so I dont know what your revising. and it was 2 great years for Talbot including an underrated 2017 season, when die hard fans were calling him the teams mvp
Habs defenitly win
how mcdavids the best player in the world
@@Mattoilers97 the point is if we Montreal didn’t get petty there is no guarantee we get mcdavid
Definitely
@@Mattoilers97 mcdavid is not a direct result of the trade. that's how. the oilers didn't even finish last, they just got some draft lottery luck. so he doesn't count when evaluating the trade.
@@Mattoilers97 Sorry to STRONGLY disagree. Until McDavid wins something (anything) Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin are still the best.
keep up the trade trees! they are so interesting to see how the picks, and trades work out few years down the road
I think it’s ridiculous to try to insinuate that this trade played a significant roll in Edmonton landing Mcdavid. If you just look at the pieces involved Montréal absolutely destroys Edmonton in this trade tree, it’s not even close.
Exactly, but loudmouth schnook has to gin it up for clicks. SN needs to dump certain pieces starting with Dingle
"Sportsnet never does anything on team's besides the Leafs, do something about the Oilers." Sportsnet does an Oilers trade video Same fans: Fire everybody I hate You!
the argument he made was not about mcdavid, it was actually about talbot and how he became quite important later.
@@leo1fun I love wings fans because they are Leafs rivals and at the same time very reasonable for the most part when it comes to other teams including the Leafs. I know a ton of wings fans who are like, "Yo, I love going to Toronto and catching a game." They still talk about what the Leafs need but are mostly reasonable about it. I know a wings fan who said Babcock needs to go (before he was fired) then said they need a better right side D but the forwards need to be more defensively responsible. I thought about it and I knew about the defensive aspect but I argued against getting rid of Babs and didn't think the forwards were that bad at D. He was totally right.
@@joer8854 yep. Agreed about all of it. The wings actually have had mostly the same problem you're talking about (well, I think good right-handed Dmen are the most rare thing in hockey today for everyone), specially with the recent crop of forwards who were traded (Athanasiou, specially). And after them, the current forward group is just a mix of young talent which will be bad defensively with some random rebuild players.
This is a bit of a stretch not gonna lie lol
I love these so much, they never fail to educate as well as entertain. I don't know if this would count as a trade tree or a trade forest (trade river?) but I'd love to see a trade tree for someone like Jarome Igninla or Jaromir Jagr, who's been traded a lot with all the subsequent trade activity but also primarily follows a single player through his career. I'd also really love to see Steve's take on things like how a single draft pick in 1979 led to the Stastny dynasty. A trade that begins with a player from in a country that no longer exists (Czechoslovakia) is almost sure to have an interesting ending. Also--is it just me or do certain teams just not appear very often in these trees? I'm a Pens fan so that one stands out for me, and if memory serves, I think the only major Pens presence was the tree for Phil Kessel. But I'm sure it's not just them--it feels like the Flyers don't get much face time either, except in the Eric Lindros and Jeff Carter trees. I'm not as up on the Western division but I don't think the Wild or Stars have a major presence either. I wonder if that's due to teams making deliberate choices as a part of a coherent trade strategy that just doesn't lead to interesting trading--for example, not trading away and then re-acquiring players a la Chicago. Or it might be more about who's available for trading; for instance, the Pens don't really have high-profile players that don't really lend themselves to trade trees. (The young star players the Pens drafted in the early-mid 2000s are mostly still with the team, and Fleury, as an expansion draft pick, wouldn't have a trade tree either.) I suppose it could just be that no one has a particular interest in certain teams, though not in the sense that they're biased. If you aren't familiar with some of the names in play, potential trades with meat on their bones just aren't on the radar. Regardess, I'm always curious about the creative process that goes into making these types of videos, so if there's ever a "behind the scenes" I hope they explore how and why they chose the trades that they did.
Oh dear God, not THAT clip... STEVE! I'm sending you the bill for my therapy from now on!
Please do the complete Craig Rivet trade tree from Montreal to San Jose
This is my fav series on KZhead
Excellent analysis! It's easy forget how much nuance there is in a trade. From the Montreal perspective it looks comically one-sided, but in truth I distinctly remember thinking at the time of the trade who tf is Jeff Petry, briefly checking his stats, and then forgetting all about it until Petry broke out of his shell and showed how smart and poised he is. It really wasn't clear at the time of the trade he would mature so incredibly.
Fun fact: in 2015-16 Ben Scrivens played for Montreal. I saw two games at the bell centre in February and it accounted for 40% of his wins as a hab.
8:16 - I mean, it didn't even work out for Milhouse's team, the Gougers. "Oh, defense, defense, c'mon! You call that blowing?!"
The trade tree’s expending with that petry trade
REQUEST: Trade History of GM Rejean Houle or the ART of DEMOLISHING A TEAM to Ashes! Pretty Much a Mike Milbury Student.
You were spot on for the Habs fan reaction :P Still like your videos a lot ! Keep it up steve :)
Brian Burke would like to talk to you regarding "dirty liars" lol
Rick Nash to NYR trade tree. Doing this one also takes care of the Marian Gaborik trade tree. Kills 2 birds with one stone. 3 weeks and counting.
Add the Duncan Keith trade to this tree now
No 😂
I’d like to see a trade tree starting from the Kent Nilsson for Joe Nieuwendyk trade between The North Stars and Flames.
I loved Cam in New York, he came up huge when hank got injured. Was so good i was surprised they didn't play him in the playoffs that year instead of hank
"Sorry for the years of therapy undone showing that clip" ... You know what, I think this is the first time I laughed leading up to this clip. I also had the realization where we were going, and verbally said "Oh no" to no one, but... progress?
should do the Ryan O’Reilley trade from the Avs to Buffalo
Oh god. Oh why why why is the Sabres why why did someone say O'Reilly whatever happened to him I heard he won the Conn Smythe trophy and Stanley Cup
Hey, it’s still humming along for the Avs!
This is like a car accident, bringing back my PTSD from that playoff run but i cant look away. Great vid.
Great stuff lol 😂 Got any Lightning Trade Trees?
Well...... i need to get my therapist again.
kind of a stretch
This adhd guy is crazy , i have the feeling of watching a toy unboxing chanel with him
i dont comment often, just wanted to say nice video, i enjoyed it!
That Gustafsson comment at 12:06 had me rolling on the floor lol!
This is a massive reach calling this even. If we assume Petry resigns with Edmonton (decent possibility he would have) do they feel they need to go out and dump a mid 1st and high 2nd round pick on Griffin Reinhart on draft night? All of a sudden the Oilers would have still had the capital to acquire Talbot, keep Petry and avoid arguably the worst trade in Chiarellis tenure.
And could’ve drafted Barzal or I think maybe Chabot with that pick if he wasn’t taken already
Steve I feel like you would have some fun with the Brent Burns trade tree
Looking at where this trade tree stands now is fascinating. Caleb Jones was traded for Keith; who retired; and Tim Söderlund; who terminated his contract to play in the swedish league. Stolarz signed with the Ducks as a free agent. Meanwhile, Petry (along with Poehling) traded to the Pens for Matheson and a 4th in 2023.
Oop, in hindsight the ending didnt age quite so well huh? Oilers swept first round and the habs are in the finals
Haven't watched - yet - pretty pumped to, that's Steve Dangle
Steve, do you do updates? Petry is now in Pittsburgh.
Who did it better?
PATRICK ROY TRADE TREE
He was part of the behemoth known as the Eric Lindros Trade tree already ;) ttps://kzhead.info/sun/oLFwdJaPi4pohHk/bejne.html
@@sportsnet That was more of a documentary. ;)
@@awildermode if you want a documentary, convince him to do the neely/pederson trade. the pederson side is absolutely gigantic. sundin, luongo, and thornton are in it, for example. the neely side isn't small either, but more directly favors the bruins.
It's harder to prove something as random as winning the lottery was helped by a tank trade, but it may have helped get EO get McDavid. Regardless, it's a good point you make on the complexity of trades. Moves to set up moves have to be considered in total. Kinda of the big deal of trade tree.
Hey steve you need to update your trade tree, some updates today
As a Habs fan, I'm quite happy with Jeff Petry but it's interesting to look at it from the Oilers perspective.
Martin Jones was part of the Barry Pederson-Cam Neely trade tree which you should do next.
And after this season looks like Talbot is indeed back in form with the Wild. Maybe a goalie that needs a little less workload and is just a solid goalie.
give us more steve, some people are addicted to drugs, but not me i am addicted to seeing all these trades wothout having to do research, some might say this is worse since i only get a fix once a week
did Katz pay you some money to try and make this trade a positive? Lol
The separate Nash and Gaborik trades between NYR and CBJ could be connected into one huge tree because one guy was involved in both. Could be interesting even though he's not the main piece
Talbot is quite the underrated beast, even by GMs in trades. Traded for not a lot of stuff twice.
Looking at this trade right now, with how Talbot is the only recognizable name on the list that Edmonton got from this trade it’s hard not to say they got fleeced! Plus Petry has been consistent, could you imagine him playing right now with McDavid and Draisaitl, you’d be looking at the most points for a D-man consistently over the last two season. Not to mention look at the numbers he’s putting up right now! As a Habs fan, I love this trade and as an Oilers fan, thank God Chiarelli is gone lol
Think of this now with the Keith trade: by trading away Jeff petty, the oilers would go on to trade for Duncan Keith.
Dangle: "Leafs are a dynasty/juggernaut!! We're only missing Weber, Gallagher, and Petry!! (SCREAMING)"
The oilers absolutely got fleeced, Talbot is not a reasonable return and petry is one of the most solid 2D in the league. Also the Edmonton GM even said it was one of his bigger mistakes so... bit of a stretch
Do you think you can do Eric Karlsson trade tree, it won't be that huge but that is okay with me
Caleb Jones is also very promising
man i absolutely love your videos and love that sportsnet hired you. i rarely comment on anything but its just... "you cant have your cake and it it too" is backwards. Because you can have a cake and then eat it. the saying is trully "you can't eat your cake and have it to" because the second you eat your cake you no longer have it.
Never stop doing these
What you didn't take into consideration, is that Oilers fans were basically chasing Petry out of town in 2014/15. He was the scapegoat for everything in Edmonton. "He's not defensively responsible, he makes too many mistakes, he turns the puck over, he doesn't score enough" .... Basically, what Matt Benning has become in 2019/20 Oilers Blue. They all look back now and wish they had kept him, but Oilers fans in 2015 were collectively cheering when Petry was sent packing.
EVERY oilers defenseman has been doing exactly that for many years.
Wild fan here and I just got VERY excited for 2021!
What about doing the Panarin for saad deal in 2017?
Or for that matter start with the original saad to Columbus for anisimov, morin and some other bits
4:46 he looked like it at the start of the season, still, demon Petry has been our best blue liner all year, thanks Oilers!
I normally can't stand the videos of this Leafs fan but you known what? I'm having a good day and this was pretty entertaining. Might give the guy another chance after all!
That was well done.
Rick Nash trade tree!!!
Kessler being allowed to decide games by jumping on goalies like it was even the first or 2nd time he did that in a playoff format.
Hmm 2 good years of talbot and 1 playoff run or 6+ good years of petry and 2 playoff runs? and petry is still with montreal and a top 4 Dman. Ya sure I bet Oilers fans love that trade lmafaoooo...... I've seen Steve make some serious reaches but C'mon man this is laughable.Edmonton would be a MUCH better team with petry on there blue line now.To bad he's still a Hab lolol.
petry>mcdavid????? lol
lol Petry is a great puck moving d man. Definitely better than anything Edmonton has right now. I don't see how you can say that it wasn't a bad move by Edmonton.
Here I am, with Jeff Petry leading Dmen in points
Steve seems really underwhelmed with Caleb Jones. I know that he's not a future superstar like Rasmus Sandin or Timothy Liljegren, but could very well become a solid top 4 dman.
Looks like this trade tree is gonna need updating with Petry in detroit now.
How long before you'll revisit a trade tree? This one continues on both sides.
Caleb Jones is gonna be a top 4 D soon and Cam Talbot was absolutely essential for the 2017 playoff run, and he finished 4th in vezina voting.
@@Thebrosephone while last season was a small sample size his advanced stats and analytics are godly
As a tampa fan I’m looking forward to the McD and Miller trade tree that’s still working itself out
And now they turned Jeff Petry into Caleb Jones and then into Duncan Keith!
Cam Tablots a legend from my home town
Spin this trade any way you want, the bottom line is still the same. Habs won this trade GOING AWAY. Not even close, but if you really really look closely at every single trade in NHL: history you can always find something positive to say about the team that lost the trade. . This one is a stretch though...
How about one for a Sharks fan miserable over loosing Jumbo? I'd love to feel good and hear about the Brent Burns trade from the Wild
May need to do an update down the line, now that Caleb Jones got traded to Chicago for Duncan Keith...
Never thought I’d see Ben Scrivens ever again but I miss that man in LA.
Mtl still wins by a lot considering Talbot basically achieved nothing while there and started to go downhill, Jones could be good but he’s nothing more than a 3-4th dman rn so unless he really turns into a star Petry outweighs both jones and talbot
Camera focus seem a little weird in this one to anyone else? Like is it just me or does this one seem a little more fuzzy?
I can't believe you chose Milhouse in your comparison instead of Goldberg.
Jeff didn't want to resign with Edmonton so the trade made sense. I love him as a Habs but Edmonton did not do too bad either. Thanks Steve
UPDATE THIS PLEASE!!! With petry getting flipped for Mike Matteson to Pitt and Caleb Jones getting traded in the Duncan Keith deal!!
I hate that the canonical example (not just from Steve, but others too) for a goalie getting shelled is Milhouse from the Simpsons. Does nobody remember the Mighty Ducks anymore?
The years of therapy I’ve had from that Kessler goal is a nightmare. Why did the NHL allow that, they also had an illegal goal against the flames too, I bet they paid the refs
Yep I don’t get it either
Blowing a 3-0 lead with 4 minutes left shouldn't happen either.
@@Waders27 it wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t for the refs two of the goals should’ve been called off their was the off side by Cam Fowler and the goalie interference by Kessler their is an argument to be made about Fowler but Kessler can’t be called a goal to send the teams into OT in the playoffs
btw guys, before you talk about how montreal fleeced the oilers, petry just took a whole other step in his career after the trade, so try to keep his value in mind before the trade was made. Montreal won the trade for me as well, but it's not like they traded a perennial 40 point dman at the time.
I was at that game 7 against the ducks. Ducks fans were dumb chanting USA USA USA. Pretty embarrassing
I love trade trees man
You should do trade tree for Craig Rivet (Max Pacioretty)