Does Java SUCK!? 👩‍💻

Maybe when C# was named J#, but modern C# beats Java like a poorly designed red headed step child with the gang of four book until it admits that the JVM is trash.

​@@conundrum2uso many faults I don't know where to begin. Java is enterprise level, which C# isn't. Java is consistent over all internal classes/libraries. C# isn't.

@@AndersJackson you listed 2 vaguely opaque concepts. enterprise level meaning what, exactly? that there's a large set of libraries already available? yep, that's C#. the fact that there are very large corporations using C#? again yes. internal libraries? you mean how when a feature is proposed to the language and the Java community throws a "but muh compatibility" fit? that doesn't exist in dotnet

C# is way better

@@mdbrenna no, it isn't. Java is Enterprise quality, C# isn't. You can still run code compiled from Java 1 on modern Java, and it has only added two new instructions in the byte code since the beginning. That to support functional programming. C# isn't Enterprise quality, but it still can be good enough.

Really? I was only using C++ for a long time before learning anything else, I just had to tell myself that python is pretty much just English and it wasn’t that difficult.

@@Kyle-ut7bg I guess I used confusing language. By brain twister, i by no means am saying it’s difficult. It’s just so shocking simple, that it stuns me when I am trying to do things and am used to a slightly more verbose way of formatting.

@@pablojavier7965 Why?

@@orinbrim7019 Because you can get stunned by the amount of thing you need to know just to understand the boilerplate code

agreed. personally i love java and i have a lot of fun with coding in java

It was a quote by the creator of C++

A quote made by the creator of a controversial language. No wonder.

I see, lol

A quote of the creator of a language which I think works incomparably better than Java.

Man the ones that no one use are for the most part the one we forgot and forgot to hate

Psvm, if you do not work in notepad)

System.out.println("hehe boi");

@@user-fe3hu3jf2u just 'main' for me or it could be automatically generated lol

This joke is as stpid as hell

and now it is gettin removed lol@@atvonguyentien5726

@@PrinceFelipe000 flutter dart is where its at

Well Kotlin also runs on JVM and is basically Java with better syntax

No its not 😑 i develop android with java and when i look at kotlin code i just.... no

@@asher05 I can kind of agree. As someone who doesn't know kotlin very well, I don't like how it reads

Lol where my NativeScript people at!

100% agree. Good Java code can look super clean, especially when you leverage the newest language features.

Its a top 3 programming language for a reason some people hate just to hate lol

I have worked in big (also enterprise sized) java and c/c++ code bases and no, I still hate Java way more. May come down to preference, but personally Java is just too restrictive.

I've spent a few years on developing java program for an enterprise. It's a absolute nightmare, but it's controllable. Imagine pulling a codebase to your machine for the first time, it's a 1G of git history and there might be a team of 5 Indian guys working on it, on another branch, for another feature. The are a room of tech lead, who draws UML and it immediately reflect into interfaces. Java is a great language, but it has a bad reputation of verbose code and terrible work related to it, so a lot of opinions are biased. Their work sucks, not the language itself.

It's legacy, doesn't make it good. By that logic why would any1 use a browser besides IE or Netscape? This is not far-fetched: despite the intentional similar name Java unlike JavaScript is basically dead for web development, unless you want you sites to have even more gaping holes than those still using Adobe Flash.

​@@whohan779 no language becomes legacy if the community behind it keeps developing the language and releasing new versions of it.

You are right about your perspective. But truth is c# is similar to java. Java came before C#

Yeah C# it's a better version of java, better performance and mostly better syntax, even tho they did screw up something along the way

@@GigaDavy91 yes c# is more reliable than java.

C# is the result of Microsoft Devs being fed up with using Java

​​@@__lasevix_ so fed up, they ended up doing the exact same style of coding :))

Minecraft is an example of how abandoning java improves performance, the others are actually good examples

​@@GigaDavy91 And that's why Mojang develop Minecraft Bedrock based on C++, and Microsoft work really hard to promote it

​@@itsfudge_and their modding support is 10x more limited compared to java

​@@GigaDavy91Minecraft's perf is due to Mojang's bad code style, not Java, it's literally the absolute fastest VM language out there

@@theshermantanker7043 scheme and lisp are faster than java, and are both interpreted, some versions of scheme are as fast as assembly

I'm honestly curious: are there any noteworthy cases when you need to decide between JS and Java nowadays? For me Python compares to both, but otherwise. 🤷‍♂️

​@@whohan779But python doesnt work with many cases but java works better

​@@whohan779 Well, the obvious one is that js is good for websites, java is good for if you want to write a scalable server. Java and js are both used in mobile app development. And the biggest one in my opinion is also the things that already exist that already use java, so like if you want to make a minecraft mod, or you want to use certain libraries, java supports a lot of things purely by existing all these years. But also, perfectly fine to stick with python, you can do a lot with whatever language, except use javascript for desktop apps or anything server-side ( _cough_ I hate node and electron _cough_ why do I need to run a whole chrome browser for discord to function _cough_ )

Can u please write a java code for hello world application

Yeah that’s a common complaint

You gotta, open the connection, use the connection and close the connection, each of those methods might throw an exception that needs to be handled, it's easier to use an object to do those, and you get the positive side that you can share the object reference instead of the file descriptor (less clear code). Then java to fight verbosity, made a special try catch that can open, use and close by defining only a try catch. try(var out = new DataOutputStream()) { // Use the out... // Once outside the try, the out variable will call the out.close() automatically } catch(Exception e) { //Handle exceptions }

You do know the New IO (nio) library allows you to just read a file path into a byte array directly? And you can just work with that? Reading with a scanner in general is the worst/slowest way to read data in java. It is only used for tutorials iirc, or to interact with the console. While yes it forces you into oop, at least in a lot of ways it gives you ways to deal with your data more easily.

@@Speiger Will study it 👍

C: writes a function Java: create a separate file possibly in a new namespace based on the directory. Create new class. Add static method. Import the file. Call method using the entire namespace. Fails to compile because you didn’t try to catch the 7 possible exceptions in the method

or maybe its just that there are better options. With rust out, and carbon coming out eventually theres no real reason to learn C++ or Java

​@@hatnis java and c++ are both extensively used in Legacy systems and Big Tech infrastructure. New languages cannot compete or even come close at least for 5-10 years.

​@@paapipirate8499 more like 10-25

​@@paapipirate8499 i mean Cobol and fortran are still used in legacy systems but they are not good languages by any means 😂

C++ is uniquely horrible though. It is an amalgamation of terrible, confusing features amassed over time.

Not like you can’t end up with a null pointer in literally any language

​@@qwerty81808rust don't have null

Ever heard of seg fault?

At least it tells u what line

@@mustafazakiassagaf1757 and in exchange there are certain safe operations you can’t do because the compiler can’t tell that they’re safe.

some instruments just suck

​@@climatechangedoesntbargain9140great carpenter never blame his tools

@@sheepketchup9059 yeah they just get proper tools

@@sheepketchup9059 a great carpenter still wouldn't use a finishing saw to hammer in nails

This is ridiculous. Java is like the plastic recorder you played in school. There are other languages that are more like fine made wood and brass. Just like anything else, every tool has it's high or low quality.

What are the benefits of Kotlin? Some friends have been trying to convince me to switch a Java project I'm making to Kotlin but I don't really see much past syntax changes.

@@spiriten kotlin requires much less boilerplate code and handles it natively instead of requiring 3rd party dependencies. Plus kotlin has very useful modern features like string interpolation, type inference, null safety, extension functions and coroutines

@@spiriten Properties and extensions were the reason for me to switch for new stuff. Data classes and sealed types had been a reason as well, but those are features Java introduced some versions ago as well. Oh, an Kotlin encourages null safety. Properties are a very important feature for a modern language, followed by async operability.

​@@spiriten Coroutine, performant higher order array inlined methods(as opposed to the slow Stream API), etc.

Tried replying a couple times with specifics, KZhead deletes my comments. Many of these seem like non-festured and like they'd actually get in the way. Regardless, coroutines and improved performance functions sound nice... but not nice enough to switch my code base

Congratulations to escape python hell 🎊🎉. Welcome to the world of programming.

When u know java u can master any programming language

" i love it[Java] more than python" Easy call. Python is a horrible language.

I saw you evolved from a guy with big ego to a mature dude who hate all the languages cuz they're all suck

I think every other programing language is better than java.

in my experience, people hate java because their job sucks and their project using java, which is bloated by past devs.

Yet the c++ version, while faster, runs a lot worse in gameplay. The java version is slower, without mods that make it on par with the c++ version, but it is actually a lot more playable to begin with. Or do you like falling down through the floor at any power level of 2... Not a joke that is a bedrock bug deemed not worth fixing.

@@Speiger I don’t think bugs are a feature of the language a program was written in. Like it’s obviously possible to write perfect C++ code, that doesn’t mean Microsoft’s engineers are going to

@@qtf0x Nah, was Closed on the issue tracker as "Won't fix" meaning its a intentional feature.

@@Speiger lol literally “it’s a feature not a bug” that’s great

don't forget the fact that the C++ version is multithreaded. from the bugs I've seen on the internet, it looks like ,more than one thread is trying to complete one single task but the task is executed at different timings making the results unpredictable (mostly the reason ppl call redstone in that version is"cursed" or random). from this i think it's not bcz of C++ rather than the programmers themselves. Java edition is single threaded and it only uses other threads for rendering new chunks.

Because you suck. Youre so stpid that you mess everything up and dont know what is going wrong

Compile once, run on a blu-ray player, "3.5 billion devices all of them blu-rays", documentation outdated by 22 years, "when we print the stack we PRINT the stack" language.

@@shhawty the joke went over your head, just like solid runtime errors that are actually useful managed to avoid Sun Microsystems and Oracle. Yeah you can install a JVM anywhere, and it will suck anywhere you install it.

Java: Brew once, puke everywhere

compile once, "oh shit, the version is too low", install different java, change PATH, "oh shit, the version is too high", install more java, change PATH, brute force untill you find the magic java version seriously tho, have they ever heard of backwards compatibility?

you can easily read a file in java but good luck reading a program.

@@innesiparacheirodon1140 Reading an whole service is easy in Java because of the increased readability which facilitates abstraction of understanding

And Eclipse and IntelliJ both lets you autocomplete stuff like mLVN into myLongVariableName, so it's not like you have to type the whole thing either.

Strict typing is not one of the reasons why people don't like Java. It wasn't mentioned in the video and there are loads of strictly typed languages. With your logic people should hate Rust. Guess what? Rust has been the most loved language every year since it was released 8 years ago. Java is one of the most hated. So you're wrong.

Strict typing has nothing to do with Java, it's not specific to Java. I bet you're the kind of person that doesn't realise you can have a capitalist dictatorship and a communist democracy.

​@@svenyboyyt2304quick question, why do you not like java then?

I once fixed a bug none of my senior devs could figure out because it was an issue with a 60 character line file name that needed to match an exact class path but yea JS hijink bugs are the big problem lol. Not anticipating those classes of bugs is like leaving memory leaks in a c or cpp program and thinking it's the languages fault you fucked yourself

Bro... Before, I hated people yelling Kotlin is better. I started Java and played with it almost 2 years. I came to a point where Java is running out of updated libraries such as on Android. M3 designs are now in Kotlin. Google docs mostly written in Kotlin. When I learned Kotlin, it only took me a day and I can create an app with it. I am thankful with Java for the skill she gave to me but I swear I will never go back to that trash.

@@simpleelegant9269 I've been programming in Java for over a decade at this point, some 6 years professionally. I was also skeptical of Kotlin for a long time, especially outside of Android. I mean, other JVM languages like Groovy and Scala had niches, but none succeeded at being strictly better than Java, so I had no reason to believe that Kotlin would. Now, I think it's just a matter of time (possibly a long, long time) before Java is eclipsed by Kotlin in pretty much every space.

noo. javascript has shorthand notation. I am good at both of these. but javascript is fun to do pet projects.

True that

Yeah I never understood why people would want to use python as an OOP language. Its an interpreted language so use it like one. They’re called python scripts for a reason

Exactly.

Also no default parameters, forced method overloading, no multiple inheritance, no static functions, directories are namespaces, no conditional compiling, encapsulation of every single file/class you import, poor compiler optimization, bad memory management, etc

SimpleBeanFactoryAwareAspectInstanceFactory

@@chie5747 That's Spring, and Spring is it's own thing.

​@@bakedgiraffe which language are you talking about?

@@69k_gold Java. I hear kotlin addresses some of those problems but I haven’t tried it yet

@Lim Compilation errors are bad in all C-ish languages

My first language was Turbo Pascal. Then c/c++. I was really happy that i don't need to use that pointers anymore. And system throws exception instead of ruining memory. But as i said before there are no bad programming languages. But a lot of bad developers and managers

Kotlin syntax is gorgeous. I really enjoy Python and C# too

As a typescript user I’m more open to trying Java than python It’s weird, I know

​@Keesturn reading Kotlin syntax is very awful and hard

@@ahmedbathily7013 i am in the same verbose mindset i have learnd its just a matter of learning that syntax afterwards its realtively easy to read

clear??

@@Gisbert-12843 It's definitely more clear than your average macro-heavy big C/C++ project.

SAME, Java makes me hate coding

Both of you need to get your brain checked by a professional

When i started my career and started learning java doing hellow world god damn took hours and to run the same on other machine another hell due to all these jdk jvm env variables hell, it was black hole instead of focusing on solving problem, had put whole lot of effort to just set it up. At that time we didnt have proper ide, youtube help videos etc had to depend on books or someone's help. It was nightmare 😅

What are you talking about maybe in India or something in Europe we have Python everywhere

Because Java was so popular that, Java got flagged as a Global Security Warning.

@@user-fr2fm3ri3w interesting, in america we're usually taught Java

@@bradleon1926 here the first time I had to do anything Java related was my second semester and it wasn’t to learn Java it self it was to learn the concept of object oriented programming

@@user-fr2fm3ri3w nice

Wrong, I have wrote 11

Seriously. He behaves more like a influencer than an actual developer.

Why? Actual question

@@CodingWithLewis written my guy

And what are the weird ones in your opinion

@@emmany2767 +1 I'm interested in knowing too. It has to be something that's not weird by design

Weird ones is functional style languages?

​@@emmany2767Did you heard of cow programming language? It's says moo moo😂

@@furkanunsal5814 never heard of it

​@@furkanunsal5814horrible

If you really think Java is "clear and easy to read" compared to high level languages, I honestly don't know what to tell you 😂

@@gabedarrett1301Depends on how you define "clear syntax", for me make the syntax shorter does not mean make it more clear. The only reason I stick to Java because I find the syntax is clear and easy to read, especially if your code is complex. The only reason I stay away from Go, Kotlin, Python, PHP, because the syntax is horrible, especially when your code is complex.

I actually don't know why people used to hate java. Fun fact, I think it is way better than any dynamically typed language (like Python)

C# > Java 100%.

​@@rockyx588 You mean Microsoft Java > Java? Ok 😀

I actually started with java and use it to this day. I can only recommend anyone who wants to learn to program to start with java instead of python. It helps enormously in the long run where python tends to stick and slowly you down. Java introduced you to industry standard syntax right away without being overloaded with tons of special magic keywords. It's incredible what new features are on the horizon for java (yes java is not boring and dead its activity developed). For example nearly the full feature set of (named) tuples and patterns matching which is in its last preview phases in form of records and pattern matching with switch and instanceof. For more information there are great videos on the official Java KZhead channel.

Probably one of the best languages to start with if you actually want to learn coding. And it is big in application development too. Not only is Android development Java-based but a lot of enterprise application backends are written in Java with frameworks like Spring or Vaadin.

Same here. And I love OOP 😅

just wait until you'll discover kotlin

​@@the_null_man donno about kotlin, man. I feel like Java code is way easier to read to be honest, but I guess it depends on your preferences

@@sanerin7111 just entered in a new project where at round table decided to write new microservices in Java instead of kotlin, reason is it's easier to hire java developers than kotlin devs

Same. 👍♥️ Java

Agreed to them if it's not C# then the language sucks. It also make me laugh when gamers talk like they know how to program but then get completely lost when you start taking about the basics of object orientation programming

gl

What's funny is that is the main reason why Minecraft is so taxing and laggy for lots of people despite it's graphics and everything

Most Android apps are written in Java. ATMs use Java majorly though some ATMs combine Java with C++ and assembly. SimCards are fully written in Java. Java is preferable when developing front-end applications because finance and FinTech demand a highly secure system. Netflix's backend is fully done in Java. Spotify is also done in Java. The majority of the popular platforms out there have at least a portion of them done in Java e.g. amazon, KZhead, etc. Need I go on?

java full stack development still have scopes?

​@@Ricardoathul I want to know that.

@@Jd-ki3hf yes it does

You're thinking about javascript, not java

Lern it. It's worth it. It's a great stepping stone for learning any language (except python) if you learn python it's pretty likely you will never learn another language and become a programmer.

Java is one of the best languages out there except for the whole JVM thing. A good alternative is Kotlin or Kotlin multiplatform. Kotlin compiles to Java code but it's better in terms of readability, coding speed and new coding practices. But Kotlin multiplatform doesn't have good library support.

@@redcrafterlppa303 I'm planning to learn C++

@@glitchingcore powerful choice. There's a lot you can do with it. But if you ever get frustrated with unreadable errors and weird bugs I suggest you have a look into rust.

@@redcrafterlppa303 alright, thank you

Boring is good. That’s why I like C because you can keep it simple. Java is just annoying with its unnecessary rules and restrictions

No multiple inheritance is literally an disadvantage because it's a pain and most other languages don't have it

Those "rules and restrictions" you hate make the programs robust and maintainable.

the damage is irreparable

Still better than learning JavaScript as first language (aka not learning anything at all)

@@andreeachan6618yeah! I struggled with JavaScript for a while as my first language because I didn’t understand what the hell a class was. Learning Java now and it’s much clearer. JavaScript doesn’t have “real” classes. It uses prototype based inheritance ugh…

​@@andreeachan6618Javascript est un bon langage et utile

Why do you "feel sorry for people who learned java as their first language"? JavaScript and Python are the two worst languages I have ever worked with. What language do you want to work in?

If you put fair amount of learning and practice to understand how Java OOP works i'm sure you'll used to it in a month. Don't let the long syntax demotivate you to learn, trust me it will make sense soon ps: from a person who first introduced with procedural programming with python and then introduced OOP with java

@@itsfudge_ thanks for the reply ❤️ I'm planning to start leaning java during the holidays so I can have an head start before the semester begins.

​@@casper42069 good luck

If you want to wait to learn Java for the next semester, you can learn C# in the meantime which has a lot of transferable knowledge

Java isn’t bad but it has so many unnecessary rules and restrictions. I’ve learned to love C and rust just from how easy it is to only code what I want. Of course I’m not going to write a web server in C but if I work on an open source C project, I can focus on only writing what I need and not worry about all of the restrictions Java has. C# is nice because it keeps some of the features from C++ too. It still has goto statements 😆