UM780 XTX First Look | The Ultra-Fast Mini PC That's Blowing Our Minds!
In this video we take a first look at and test out the all new Minisforum UM780 XTX Ryzen powered mini PC with OCULINK! This is our new favorite mini PC by far and in this video we test it with the GPD G1 G1 Oculink eGPU with Radeon 7600M XT!
Powered by the Ryzen 7 7840HS APU this mini PC has the power for everything!
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00:00 Introduction
00:17 UM780 XTX Unboxing
01:41 UM780xtx overview
03:09 MinisForum UM780 XTX Specs
03:59 Upgrades and Internals
04:57 UM780 XTX Bios Settings
05:45 Overall Performance
06:23 UM780 XTX iGPU Gaming Performance Test
07:57 Adding An Oculink eGPU UM780 XTX Mini PC
09:43 UM780 XTX With GPD G1 Oculink Test
12:18 UM780 XTX First Impressions
I agree with others on a second video showing a comparison between all three GPUs on this setup. I love mini PCs and travel with one, so the idea of having a Oculink native setup at home would be nice. It would also be nice to see a video running ChimeraOS on this setup with the GPD G1 or a higher end AMD GPU in one of your DIY Oculink docks.
When you say you travel with one, does that include a monitor and so on? Does it replace a laptop for you? Enquiring minds want to be nosey :)
@@jonevansauthor I travel with a wireless keyboard/mouse and currently use a minisforum UM560XT 32GB/512GB SSD that I connect to the TV in the hotel room. Most hotel rooms use ethernet to feed their streaming devices now, so I just steal their HDMI and ethernet connection to plug into the mini pc. I have a company provided Macbook Pro for my day to day work so the mini pc is used for personal stuff. I use the mini pc for light gaming with some older titles that the onboard graphics will support, streaming, watching KZhead, paying bills, etc.. I'd love to have an Oculink dock at home with a higher end AMD graphics card in it that I can run 1440P using a mini PC like this one when I am not traveling. I may end up building a full blown PC in the end, but a mini PC setup like that would be an interesting project. I have been using higher end gaming laptops for years and I got tired of dragging the bulky things through airports when I travel.
@@jonevansauthor - Ditto's here for me as well! What about uses OTHER THAN gaming, though? My "game" is fast moving high volatility stock scalping, day trading, need at least 2 4k monitors, preferably 3... 🤔
Always a pleasure learning new things from you ETA.
Great video! Some basic Oculink, vs. M.2 vs. USB 4 testing would be awesome. All out the same device, no one's done this and my curiosity is at it's peek!
As always, Thanks for the review. Been eyeing this thing for while since it went on pre-order. That oculink option is nice
I am always thrilled to see another upload, and youtube is now is putting your videos front and center on my feed when you post
Thank you for the review on the 780XTX! I have the 790pro. It'd be cool to see you break down the differences on these two units.
Yes please show more videos with other eGPU options! Can you also show the performance difference between GPD G1 with Oculink vs USB4?
Seeing different eGPUs would definitely be interesting to see how well performance scales with Oculink!
For me it’s wanting to see Polaris gpu (Rx 590) to the Navi 22/33 gpu (Rx 6700/ 7600)
@@brandondegantevillasante538 Polaris should be a thing of the past :D RX 6600 would be the way to go^^
I think Oculink is good up to about the 4070.
So Oculink gives you better bandwidth than USB4; but how much of performance hit % would get with Oculink PCIe4 x4 but PCIe4 x16 (so like 50% performance hit?)@@jondonnelly4831
There would be perfect for building a touchscreen arcade cabinet with a GPD gpu dock or a oculink 4080 here to drive a 27 inch to 48 inch oled future 4k 120hz touchscreen gaming monitor or tv here as for pc arcade builds you still need a keyboard and mouse here for maintenance needs when a touchscreen can cut out both the keyboard and mouse out completely so you do not need them as many casino slot machines already use a touchscreen system for maintenance needs so why can’t arcade cabinets also use this for their machines based on pcs until the raspberry pi supports oculink egpus at 4k 120hz with full HDR support?
I would love to see a video on making a dock. It would also be awesome to see one that could do thunderbolt 4/USB4. Awesome work as always!!
Yeah, definitely would like to see some more videos with this system and oculink gpus. Also would be interested in seeing how linux is with this setup, if that's at all possible.
100% seeing the other GPU's in a video. Great job as always
I see plenty of requests here for the proposed comparison, but id really like to see noise measurements on the cou cooler. I've been looking for this kind of information for a PC in a noise sensitive environment (Studio recording). Would add a lot of value to your videos for viewers. Thanks for hughlighting these machines!
Yes a video on setting up your own occulink dock!
An eGPU video/s would be great. Questions you could probably answer that I definitely can't. * Will a 4090 saturate Occulink or USB or is it sufficient for all current gen cards? * If you get the new 4060 that has a built in NVME slot, will the PC be able to access that disk over Occulink/USB? * Is Occulink better than a PCI riser cable? Perhaps it can be a longer cable or is just as fast? * What open bench style options are good for an eGPU with Occulink? * Are there any prebuilt eGPU cases with Occulink worth using? * Is it worth putting an AIO or other extra cooling with things like a 4090 in an eGPU format? * Is it simple to put the card in a small PC case of some kind, and use it as an eGPU? * If so, what's a budget case that would be sensible, and what's the luxury option for the 4090 crowd? * Is Occulink better or worse than the Asus XG Mobile connector (which seems to be Occulink+USB for extra bandwidth/device support) * Do you think there's something better than either of those coming such as Occulink 2, Asus thing becoming a standard, or USB-65? * Is it possible to use a mobile GPU in a home built eGPU and is that even worth thinking about? * How long can an Occulink cable be, because that affects desk layout? * Are there any docks that support Occulink too that might help with that? * Will you be getting an ETA Prime Stencil so you can replace the tiger with your own brand? I think that's about it. For me, I'm hoping to get an Asus Z Flow 13 at some point, so I can use it as my office/work PC going forward and also to give me a tablet and laptop all in one. I probably wouldn't bother with the eGPU for that as it's unlikely to face that kind of workload and I want to avoid gaming on it anyway. But for the gaming PC, and for messing around with Stable Diffusion and ineptly using photo editing software and stuff, I'd like to move up to a 4060 Ti 16gb from this 1080 which is... well, it's a champ and it was given to me by a friend, but it's still 'ancient' and a 40 series would be a massive upgrade. Not that a 4090 wouldn't be nice to have. I love the idea of a future where I could put whatever card I use, in its own box with reliable cooling and plug it into a Rog Ally, or Steamdeck, or my office or gaming PC to use it as needed. Not to mention the cooling being easier to control. Hopefully the Occulinks of the future will surpass the speed that the graphics cards can operate at, have long enough cables to help with layout and ultimately, reduce e-waste.
You might need to do a series of eGPU videos answering questions such as, 'Why even use an eGPU instead of a massive desktop?' and, 'Why wouldn't I just use an expensive laptop with weak hardware?' Lots of comments in here have no earthly idea why an eGPU is advantageous in some situations, which is not entirely inexplicable. I have reasons to like the idea, some people are completely baffled by it though because other options seem more sensible, easier or better until someone explains what the use cases are.
Prime, thank you. Kindest regards.
would love to see a comparison between the g1, the 4060 and the 4090!
Thanks for the video👍
I was waiting for this review, to see the great ETA Prime's recommendation.
I would love to see more GPU's tested with it. Are there USB 4 external graphics cards? That would be a good comparison if there is, 40GB vs 63GB. Thanks for all these awesome videos. We have 3 Ace Magicians and 1 Minisforum (the 690S thanks to you) on the way!
USB 4 is capable of more than 40 gb but I realise that doesn't mean that it's available to us mortals yet. Obviously not much point having it in the eGPU at 80gbs+ if we can't then plug it in to the PC.
Thanks for the video very good information, thank you.
It includes the OCulink adapter? Very nice. I have a friend who loves this form factor but still wants to game hard, and eGPU can definitely help with that, though I'd need to see some actual FPS numbers for games running @1080p High with a 3060 and a 4060, as well as @1440p and @4K with a 3080 and a 4080.
This is the minipc of the year. This will replace all my repair bench workstations. Thanks ETAPrime
How cool is it to have your logo on a mini pc?! That’s amazing
Would have loved to see it displayed.
Very interested in a walk through of the low profile/budget eGPU setup. Ideally, I’d want something that fits inside the entertainment unit in the living room.
This unit would be perfect for an RV or Van mobile type setup...perfect for on the go productivity and gaming. This is one of your best reviews so far.
Surely a laptop would be better. Not sure why anyone would get this rather than a GPD WinMax 2 2023. Similar size but a usable laptop you can take with you.
Hope you feel better soon 🤞
Please show more on these eGPUs!
Great vid. I hope you can make a vid about USB 4.0 vs oculink
I so hope this is released in Australia; I have been waiting for one to come out with oculink before I buy my first mini pc.
I would also like to see a video on how your making your own mini Oculink dock with the Low Profile 4060.
Finally a decent review with the power set to 70w. I love your content. Please make the videos. So the cpu alone can’t go over 65W even with the external graphics?
I've just bought one of those, with a coupon 150€ off! 🤩 super stoked with antici-.... It's gonna replace my big chonking Fractal Define R6, B550 ATX mobo and 5600G. The upgrade im looking forward to most is the jump from Vega7 to RDNA3 - if i'm counting right, i'm jumping 2 generations. Since i'm keeping my SSD, i got the barebone variant and ordered 32 gix of dual channel Kinston Fury Impact 5600 CL40 RAM. That OCUlink port really sold it!
I would love to see a video on that 4060 with the pico power supply. I a more parts friendly and budget friendly half slot card would be nice and still fit well with these smaller computers.
Not only USB4 but also the oculink included, can't believe the dream come true
When you test new machines, could you show hard to emulate games from each generation of consoles? That would give a real good indicator of what is possible.
I need to get my hands on one of these
I would love to see you do a live stream with one of these mini pcs. Otherwise, what you did with this mini pc was pretty sick.
Love you ETA Prime ❤ Can you do a video on how to have the best Apple Setup to play Apple Arcade games? (You actually can just use a Apple TV. I suggest because a new exclusive Sonic Game is come to Apple so I thought it’d be a cool idea for you to show off some Apple setup with Xbox controller or something.)
yes yes yes show how you made/make the dock!!! I have a 3070 sitting around... would love to connect to this UM780
Yup would like to see a video on how to setup other more power gpus on it.
Freakin' Awesome !!!!
first day this came out i ordered one. i already have a beelink 5800h and i made my own eGPU via the wifi slot using a GTX 1660S. the only problem was it was only using one PCIE lane. but it works.
We need video for that 4060 build you did ! ❤ ✌️
They release the EM780 (like the EM680, but with a 7840U) with Occulink and It's an instant buy for me! One can dream (Thinking about using their board for DIY handled)
I’m really tempted to get one for my homelab server
I'm excited for the Mecury series, I hope it will upgrade to current gen. I would love to see an EM780 (or EM790 if possible).
just got this. now saving up for an oculink setup with rtx 4070
awesome vid. thanks! does occulink work with steam os (linux)?
As these start to go up a little in spec and down a little in price they will be pretty compelling.
Hey Eta, please make an video of this oculink-dock, this would be great 🙂
Agreed , I’m interested into the full blown card vs the compact oculink setups you had going , great review!
I would be SO grateful if you would please do some VR testing with this UM780 XTX using Quest 2/3 with the GPD G1 and a GTX4070 and/or GTX4080 attached, including Half Life: Alyx benchmarks. I bought the UM780 XTX, it works ok for some VR apps, it generally works solo but really bad frame rates for games like HL:Alyx using BIOS Performance (70W) setting.
That gpd card linked over oculink versus linked over usb4, as it has both interfaces onboard. Interesting to show how much performance of that external gpu stays on the table (or not).
I feel like the Raspberry Pi may have influenced the development of mini computers, but whether or not that's the case, it's a very interesting direction to go in for gaming and desktop use alike. Interested to see if integrated graphics start to get beefier as companies maybe start creating powerful all-in-ones like this more.
I'd say the Intel NUC was a pretty major thing but it came out after Pi. It's probably more likely that there was an inflection point where the hardware shrank back down to the size that could make the whole thing possible, and of course, Microsoft stopped bloating Office and Windows so normal office usage requirements remained similar. (Don't get me wrong, they're still buggy, bloated and awful but a better CPU isn't going to make Word, Outlook or Acrobat Reader perform much better anymore.)
I was running Atom based X86 PCs in 2009 well before the Raspberry PI came out. The Pi and the NUC were just this generation's foray into the idea of what used to be called "nettops". Those Atom based machines would run Windows 7 or Linux (I ran Lindows for a few years) like a champ, game on basic stuff, browse the web, and even run some versions of photoshop. I traveled with one of those for YEARS. My favorite was the ZOTAC that was the size of a cigarette pack.
NOT at all ..... just part of engineering and progress .... if anything else both come from the same engineering vision
Given that you lose an m.2 storage slot they should have added a 3rd m.2 slot or at least a sata slot for a 2.5inch sata ssd. Games are huge these days and you need the extra storage. Would be good if you did a comparison of performance between using that gpu in usb4 and oculink to see if theres a significant difference.
You can buy 4 and 8tb nvme drives now
@@jamesharnish650 right but if you can afford those options, you probably wouldn't buy this machine.
@@jamesharnish650 Yeah and those 2 options cost alot more than the 1 and 2tb options. 2 m.2 drives is far cheaper than a single 4tb or 8tb drive.
this is a game changer !!! eveything i want in a computer ... can you run other type of pci cards over Oculink? can you run more than one pci card? gpu or other ??
Would just like to say thank you for reviewing an AMD 7x40 APU, I've been waiting for someone to put it through its paces! I've seen it in mobile devices but it's then got something like an Nvidia 4050 along side, doesn't really test the graphics side of the device. I was hoping for these to have been launched about 6 months ago - have developers been slow at releasing them or has there been problems adapting the platform? Have they released benchmarking for the AI Cores yet? would like to see that in action
I’d be curious about how a full tower with a top GPU performs vs These Okulink ports will the same GPU.. for reference I know little about the technology
I would definitely like to see how you would DIY an Oculink dock that would work well with an RTX 4070 graphics card.
I’d like the see the difference in usb4 egpu vs oculink egpu how much of a gain you get In performance or if it’s worth using up an m.2 slot. Many thanks
I'd like to see that 4060 egpu setup you've shown here. I was planning to do the same thing.
Would this PC fit on the stand for the B550 mini pc they made a while back? thatd be a much easier dock for the all out build.
I'm curious if it would be worth considering putting in the 7745hx in this and keep its peak power low. As opposed to pushing the hs chip to its max. I know that would require a while new motherboard, so it's not practical, but....if they figure an egpu will be used, the hx models may be an interesting chip to use in this size case
this is awesome
I really want Ultrabooks with oculink in 2024
Can you make a video with internal graphic, usb4, and oculink comparison? That would really help people who plan to buy this product, by knowing the longevity in the future. Thanks.
We would love to see a video with a complete build of your 4060 oculink dock running on rog ally and mini pc
All I have to say is: YES!
yeah! show them please!)
I can't keep up with these products, every other week it's a news faster smaller and favorite PC 😂
i have a um790 what i would improve: power converter same size as the mini pc so you can stack it and usb-c as connector
I ordered of these PC's but I am super interested in building that eGPU dock you made. Can you share what's needed?
i would love to see a Comparison video
I like that occulink for gaming or proffessional GPU needs. What is the best modern GPU to match the occulink bandwidth bottle neck? Sweet spot is needed to get a good match. I'm sure everyone wants to know.
Would love to see how you built the eGPUs. I have all the parts just trying to figure out the enclosure.
Please consider including running linux desktops on your reviews as well as all the windows game stuff you already do.
FYI the maximum memory supported is 96GB. Excellent video! I ordered one of these as soon as the website went live. I would love to see a video of what this can do with the highest end GPU that you have. Does CPU bottleneck become a problem in any game at that point I wonder.
Wish I had seen this video yesterday, bought the UM780 XTX last night due to Oculink over the UM790 Pro. Documentation nor website did not mention the loss of the 2nd m.2 slot. Realize after watching your video made a mistake as rather have the 2nd m.2. Love Minis Forum products. Need to sort out the cancellation to buy the 790.
Hi, is this much better compared to 790 pro? Anybody able to help on this? Thank You!!! I placed order for 790 pro, but it's out of stock and they're offering me 780xtx in exchange. Either i accept the offer or request for a refund. Need help from expert,
You need to watch the video again. You only lose one m2 slot if you are planning the use an eGPU over oculink. Otherwise, it's still two m2, just like 790pro. This is a better deal than 790pro. Thank me later.
@@ivanlee2896 Amazon has 790 Pro although delay on delivery until early Dec - unclear how different than shipment from PRC by Minisforum.
@@cutesammie Maybe you need to read my message again, the whole point of buying over the 790 was if I wanted to use Oculink and losing the 2nd m.2
@@cutesammieIsn't the Ryzen 7 7840HS vs Ryzen 9 7940HS on the Pro a significant downgrade?
Really wish they had more USB-C ports.. those USB-3 ports seem out of place here. Also, it would be really great if you could test this model with your beefier eGPUs.. running games in 4K. I'd appreciate that as that would be my own use-case. Finally.. when you are running Cyberpunk, are you able to turn on Ray Tracing with the setups you tested in this video? Thanks!
Hoping to have the same config all in the box aka Neptune series
Do you have or would you consider making a sheet that lists and compares emulation performance across chips ? Sbc and igpu/apu would be of most interest for me but others might be interested in cpu/gpu combo performance as well. If this already exists somewhere, oops! I’d love to look at it.
I think reddit has a living document on this, I know retrogamecorps advertises it on his page.
im really wondering how much RAM was allocated to the GPU. if you said it i missed it. Would like to see it maxed out and the GPU to be overclocked and the CPU tuned
nice little pc! crazy how my 4090 is much bigger than this pc itself lol
When do you think they'll update the hx77 an put the 7600m in it? I'd like to see an update to that over 2 year architecture and what kind of price point it can be
Hey, Prime, I'm a long time viewer, and love your videos, and you are always my go to guy when trying new stuff. But I have a question, if I may. I am in the process of building myself a luxury off grid mobile home, and I knew that this would be the perfect computer for this purpose. But here's the thing: I don't really want to run this little PC off of a power inverter. I am building my van around a 24v solar system, but do you think it would be possible to hard wire this computer straight into my 24v system? I appreciate the volts/amps need to be specific to this computer, otherwise I run the risk of blowing it up. But do you have any ideas where I might be able to get a custom built power supply that will run straight from my 24v batteries, and give this little computer exactly what it requires? I appreciate this may be a little out of your usual content, but any ideas or suggestions would be very much appreciated. Thanks, buddy.
Could you produce a video building a eGPU oculink enclosure to suit this mini PC. I'm interested in how nice an enclosure could look and how it could be setup for all full size cards and be upgradable. Thanks
Yepp, Please. We would like to see how it compares to a desktop 8 cores cpu with similar GPU installed. Maybe an 5700X? Or even a 7600X cpu?
Just FYI, it has been shown that there is big performance gains and advantages is maxing out the RAM to 64gigs. You're able to get full GPU power and CPU performance by allowing 32gig performance for both which in both Laptop and APU setups the system is designed to increase performance in RAM increases.
Where did you get that m.2 adapter from? Did you customise it with a soldering iron and saw?
Hello, in cyberpunk game test with iGpu you said İTS 1080p but on screen it was written 1440p which öne was true? Thanks for the videos!
Laptop class X3D Cpu would be awesome.
Yeah do a video with 4080 or 4090 and show us which Oculink card to buy (ideally with pcie 4)
Forza Motorsport is a surprising result. I know it's the game optimization, but it's amazing if we remember how bad it was before.
Any hopes for a 780m igpu benchmark without upscaling?supper hard to truelly gauge the true potential with upscaling benchmarks
You forgot to mention that it defies gravity 😂
Can you look in to a water cooling for this system in the future?
What is the specific adapter did you use for 4060LP connection? Would be cool if there were links for them.
Do you do Benchmarks on all the top mini PC's?
When is minisforum planning to release the ryzen 9 variant aka 790XTX?
Nice video! 👍 How much VRAM do we have available with something like this? Is it configurable in the BIOS. Say if you get a unit with 32gb ram, could I set 16gb for the GPU?
I saw the answer to this on another channel. The onboard vram allocation can be increased in increments up to 16GB. Cool right?
@@BenWilcock thank you! So even with a 64gb spec the vram is 16gb at most and the rest is used as system ram?
Would love to see this with your built GPU dock...
yes, I would also love to make one of these myself. A build guide would be great!