Euler's Formula - Numberphile

2022 ж. 23 Сәу.
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  • We need a video explaining why the polar representation of a complex number includes "e". It's a wonderful bit by Euler.

    @elgalas@elgalas2 жыл бұрын
    • yes this is exactly the part I have no intuition for. The rest after that is just substitution/algebra

      @bonob0123@bonob01232 жыл бұрын
    • I’m glad I’m not the only one. Without the background of why complex numbers can be represented as re^i(theta), that just feels like a leap. From the diagram it’s easy to see where r and theta come from, but why is there an e^i in there?

      @SampMan87@SampMan872 жыл бұрын
    • He plucked it out of nowhere and ended up where he started. Like assuming 1+1=2 then being surprised to find 0=O. Not a well structured video at all.

      @MusicFanatical1@MusicFanatical12 жыл бұрын
    • It comes from the Taylor series representations of e^x, sin(x), and cos(x). If you start from the Taylor series of e^x (which you can easily find by a google search) and instead of x, you plug in ix, you will notice that you get the sum of the cos(x) and sin(x) series representations (with a multiple of i next to sin(x)). From there we conclude that e^(ix) = cos(x) + i*sin(x). He should have shown this proof instead of what’s shown in the video, i agree. Nevertheless, great video!

      @liamleider4807@liamleider48072 жыл бұрын
    • e to any power x represents continuous growth. i represents a 90° (π because we're actually working in radians) rotation. So e^ix is continuous growth at 90°. If you start at a point and move at a continuous 90° (π), you draw a circle. e^iπ is just plugging in π for x. You grow continuously for a distance of π, which is the same as moving π around a circle, lands at -1 as per remembering the basic info of the unit circle. So e^iπ=-1 e^iπ+1=0.

      @eoinlanier5508@eoinlanier55082 жыл бұрын
  • This is not actually how the formula is derived. You've just *used* Euler's formula to *derive* Euler's formula. Which is great, at least you found no inconsistencies in maths, but it doesn't explain where the z = r * e^(i * theta) comes from. Why is this equality true? Why can you represent z using the exponential of i times the angle? This *comes* from Euler's formula in the first place, which can be proven looking at the Taylor series of sin, cos, and exp, respectively.

    @AtricosHU@AtricosHU2 жыл бұрын
    • Came here to say the same. The first 5 minutes of the video do not make sense

      @Pjx1989@Pjx19892 жыл бұрын
    • 100%. The polar form given in the video skips over WHY you can use exp(i*theta) to represent the angle. It's a really bad oversight from a seasoned channel.

      @zunaidparker@zunaidparker2 жыл бұрын
    • Cosmic Horror.

      @YawnGod@YawnGod2 жыл бұрын
    • You would also need to prove that exp,cos,sin are analytic at 0, otherwise their Taylor series are useless

      @AssemblyWizard@AssemblyWizard2 жыл бұрын
    • Igen

      @kubtastic@kubtastic2 жыл бұрын
  • it's more intuitive without the zero, then you can see that exp(i*pi) is actually a rotation over pi starting from 1, and thus landing on -1.

    @avhuf@avhuf2 жыл бұрын
    • It's actually even more intuitive with τ, since e(iτ) = 1, thus one complete rotation.

      @MasterChakra7@MasterChakra72 жыл бұрын
    • @@MasterChakra7 I like the idea of using a constant that is 2*pi instead of pi, but tau is used way too often for other applications, like integrating over a time interval.

      @iveharzing@iveharzing2 жыл бұрын
    • @@MasterChakra7 found the Tauist.

      @Apalapan97@Apalapan972 жыл бұрын
    • This is the way I intuitively understood Euler's identity immediately when he first drew the graphical representation of the polar form of imaginary numbers. It's quite beautiful.

      @InterFelix@InterFelix2 жыл бұрын
    • it also de-mystifies 'imaginary' numbers and makes them intuitively understandable as Rotations. Humans innately understand rotations, and it's one of the great contributions Euler made - he saw that the number one, could be rotated above the plane, around the origin, and land on negative one - and thus the square root of negative one existed but was just above the plane and we need a rotation to get there.

      @wallstreetoneil@wallstreetoneil2 жыл бұрын
  • personal favourite part of euler's definitions of trigonometric functions is how neatly they relate standard functions to hyperbolic functions, whereas only considering the reals they look nothing like each other - neat example is that sin(z) rotated pi/2 around the plane is the same graph as i*sinh(z)

    @harper5128@harper51282 жыл бұрын
    • That's kind of true, what you probably meant to say is sin(iz) = i sinh(z) (sin z is the same as sinh z rotated by pi/2). I totally agree with everything else you said though

      @cobalt3142@cobalt31422 жыл бұрын
    • oversight on my part lol thanks, should specify im still learning ca

      @harper5128@harper51282 жыл бұрын
    • They may not look like each other indeed, but they obey plenty of similar relationships that someone who knows only reals would be able to appreciate; e.g.: cos^2 x + sin^2 x = 1 vs. cosh^2 x - sinh^2 x = 1 cos'' = -cos and sin'' = -sin vs cosh'' = cos and sinh'' = sinh cos 2x = cos^2 x - sin^2 x and sin 2x = 2 cos x sin x vs cosh 2x = cosh^2 x + sinh^2 x and sinh 2x = 2 cosh x sinh x tan' = 1 + tan^2 vs tanh' = 1 - tanh^2 cos^2 x = (1 + cos 2x) / 2 and sin^2 x = (1 - cos 2x) / 2 vs cosh^2 x = (1 + cosh 2x) / 2 and sinh^2 x = -(1 - cosh 2x) / 2

      @landsgevaer@landsgevaer2 жыл бұрын
    • @@harper5128 will you olease share some tips from where to begin

      @shayeri7208@shayeri72082 жыл бұрын
    • @@shayeri7208 i started off mainly with dr richard borcherds' lecture series on introductory complex analysis and needham's visual complex analysis textbook, the latter is very compact and mostly focused on intuition and application

      @harper5128@harper51282 жыл бұрын
  • I didn't hear him explicitly state this, but for all of this to work theta must be in radians. Later on in the video he starts mixing degrees and radians. This is all common sense to a mathematician but it may not be to a student early in their math career.

    @markcrites7060@markcrites70602 жыл бұрын
    • Ughhh! Radians ♡ Those sneaky units :)

      @wild-radio7373@wild-radio73732 жыл бұрын
    • a lot of this is in radians, especially the identity.

      @rbad6215@rbad62152 жыл бұрын
    • When a mathematician says "angle", they mean radians because they are fundamental. Degrees are just arbitrary units that people use to satisfy the monkey part of their brains that wants a neat whole number to divide the full angle.

      @piotrarturklos@piotrarturklos2 жыл бұрын
    • Yes, this is actually a recurring joke for Engineering students. Confusing degrees with radians have even resulted in failure of structures.

      @ingGS@ingGS2 жыл бұрын
    • @@ingGS I am an engineer. And anytime anything involving r, theta notation (polar coordinates, complex numbers, phasor notation, etc) was discussed in school it was drilled into our heads that theta must be in radians.

      @markcrites7060@markcrites70602 жыл бұрын
  • The coolest feature of the polar representation is that it makes calculating roots or powers super super easy. Just divide or multiply the angle, and don't forget the 2πn term.

    @johnny_eth@johnny_eth2 жыл бұрын
    • or τn. :)

      @DavidLindes@DavidLindes2 жыл бұрын
  • 2:08 Tom says "and the polar form is z = reᶦᵒ ..." and then goes on to say how that implies Euler's Formula. But in order to use z = reᶦᵒ as the polar form you're already implicitly assuming that eᶦᵒ = cosθ + isinθ so it's a bit of circular reasoning. It's not at all obvious without having already proven Euler's formula that if z = reᶦˣ that x is actually the angle θ in the polar form r(cosθ + isinθ). I think the proof he was actually intending to use starts off by saying "Assume z = eᶦˣ . (We're not making any assumption other than that it's a complex number, we know nothing about x or its relation to the polar form so far. The only thing we know is that it's a complex number.) Let z = r(cosθ + isinθ) be its polar form. So eᶦˣ = r(cosθ + isinθ) and r and θ are functions of x. Now we want to find a closed form for x in terms of r and θ..." and go from there.

    @Bodyknock@Bodyknock2 жыл бұрын
    • yeah this was my first thought.

      @ricardorix73@ricardorix732 жыл бұрын
    • I was wondering this same thing, thanks for pointing it out

      @Dancingdude-ci6wz@Dancingdude-ci6wz2 жыл бұрын
    • I was stuck on the same thing, does anyone have resources to a conceptual derivation of this identity?

      @tjfrench5285@tjfrench52852 жыл бұрын
    • "circular" reasoning..... LOL

      @rtpoe@rtpoe2 жыл бұрын
    • @@tjfrench5285 One way to see this is to look at the Taylor series of each of these functions and "extend" their definitions to the complex plane by allowing complex numbers to be plugged into each Taylor series. Then the formula falls out. Another way is (which is actually the same) is to say that we want to extend the definition of derivatives and functions currently defined over the reals into the complex plane. The most sensible way to do this is to impose that these things behave as we expect when the complex values are evaluated along the real line. Take any real valued function whose derivative is proportional to itself and evaluates to f0 at t=0. f'(t) = a f(t), f(0) = f_0 Then evaluating this function at a purely imaginary t and taking the second derivative gets via chain rule that f''(it) = a^2 (i^2) f(it) = -a^2 f(it). Of course, this will also be true component-wise in this function's cartesian representation f(it) = (R(t), I(t)) = R(t) + i I(t) where R and I are real-valued functions that represent the real and imaginary part of f(it) respectively. So d^2/dt^2 (R(t), I(t)) = (R''(t), I''(t) = -a^2 (R(t), I(t)). One might recognize this as the equation for circular motion. If we interpret t as time, this is saying that the acceleration always points inwards from where I'm at towards the origin. Algebraically, we get that the solutions to each component of this differential equation are the trig functions, cos(ax) and sin(ax), so the full solution in each component will be some linear combination of sines and cosines determined by the initial conditions. The initial condition is imposed on us by wanting f(0i) = f(0) = f_0, just like on the reals. Therefore, f(it) = f_0 (cos(at), sin(at)). So, if I take a function over the reals whose derivative is proportional to itself and I extend its definition to the complex plane in the most sensible way, I get that a purely imaginary argument is always circular motion. The frequency of that rotation is determined only by the proportionality constant from the derivative, and the radius of that circle is determined by the initial conditions. Go back now to the differential equation for f. The unique solution to this differential equation is f(t) = f0 exp(at). If we set a=1, t could be interpreted as the polar angle in the cartesian representation of that point. The base of the exponential map, e, is special because it is the unique base of the exponential where the derivative IS itself. That is why the base e is vital for Euler's formula.

      @Minty_MH@Minty_MH2 жыл бұрын
  • 1:51 This was a bit of a cheat, because that's not really polar form. That every complex number can be written as z=r⋅e^i𝜃 assumes Euler's formula, as well as begs the question of what we could possibly mean by e^i𝜃 in the first place (i.e., raising something to an imaginary power). The actual polar form of a complex number is z=r⋅(cos(𝜃)+isin(𝜃)) which is easily shown by your geometric argument with cosines and sines in triangles. The theorem behind Euler's formula is that the trigonometric part in parentheses cos(𝜃)+isin(𝜃) is equal to the exponential function e^i𝜃 once it's been suitably defined. Of course, you show that using the power series expansions later on, but the presentation is quite out of order, which could confuse viewers.

    @jmcsquared18@jmcsquared182 жыл бұрын
    • Yup, came here to say this.

      @jonathanross6260@jonathanross62602 жыл бұрын
    • Later on, he also makes the curious assertion that e^(iπ/2) = i is an "alternative definition of i." It's not even a characterization of i, since e^(π/2 z) = z for all z = -Wₙ(-π/2)/(π/2), n ∈ *Z.* So for instance, z = -i and z = 1.02132... - 4.86835... i also satisfy the equation.

      @EebstertheGreat@EebstertheGreat2 жыл бұрын
    • e^ix does not mean e raised to ix. It is a silly way of writting exp(ix) where exp(x) is a sum of infinite terms 1+ x + x^2/2 + x^3/3! +…+ x^n/n!. exp(x) has very particular properties, exp(0) =1, exp(1)=e, exp(a+b)=exp(a)*exp(b), and therefore exp(3)=exp(1+1+1)=exp(1)*exp(1)*exp(1)=e^3 . But if you analyze exp(x) when x is ix it has the has same intereting properties but it is silly to write it as e^ix,

      @guillermonasa@guillermonasa2 жыл бұрын
    • @@EebstertheGreat yes I was also skeptical about that. That's the product log, right? Honestly, I only resubscribed to Numberphile because Grant gave an awesome presentation here a while back. But this channel really lacks in taking care with their presentations.

      @jmcsquared18@jmcsquared182 жыл бұрын
    • @@jonathanross6260 Me, too. Also, unlike the rectangular form, the polar form is a unique representation of a point on the complex plane only if the value of theta is restricted to the range 0

      @artsmith1347@artsmith13472 жыл бұрын
  • Magic moment happens at 1.55. He's explaining basics of complex numbers, and then he just right into using "e to the power of i something", which makes no sense. You need to justify using that magic at that point.

    @mestar12345@mestar123452 жыл бұрын
    • I think it's derived from euler's formula, at that, making the logic here circular

      @drewhead118@drewhead1182 жыл бұрын
    • When simply defining addition of two integers takes hundreds of pages of dense proofs, this might not be reasonable to demand. To justify the magic could turn this into a three hour, boring video.

      @joshrowe9653@joshrowe96532 жыл бұрын
    • @@joshrowe9653 "boring" is subjective. I'd personally a more formal proof rather than "magic". As magical as math is, it's still rigorous. I can accept the weird x+iy form despite not understanding why that is acceptable, but that's simply because we define it that way. We have reasoning and it is shown. It's axiomatic. But this whole ordeal with r*(e^(i*theta)) is just given out of nowhere with no semblance of an explanation. The only thing explained is the r and the theta which is nice but the e and the i aren't explained at all. And this is no axiomatic. This is just missing. Why isn't it r^2+sqrt(3/theta)? Might as well try that since it's just "magic". Math is rigorous and we invent axioms in order to move forward with missing fundamentals. Euler's formula is based in algebra and uses constants that we somewhat understand. There is no reason for requiring a new axiom here. You need to derive it, not poof it from thin air. I watched the entire video in hopes that it is brought up but it wasn't. So all it did was make the whole video kinda pointless because it is was based on a false premise the entire time. I like math, but that doesn't mean I know all the fancy stuff. Comments here mention how beautiful Taylor's series is or smth and idk what that is and would've loved to see it. Even if it is skimmed through as many other Numberphile videos are. It's like we are skipping part of the proof, we are skipping the proof in its entirety. There is no magic here. Imagine a magician tells you to pick a card, you do it, and then he looks at the card and prepares the deck and then does his trick to reveal your card. There is no magic there. It's preset for success rather than any sort of discovery. I recommend you watch almost any other Numberphile video. You'll see how if they skip something, they at least mention what they skip in order to show the arguably more interesting and fun crux of the topic. For math minded people, it's likely very frustrating that there is this assertion of a weird complex formula that comes out of nowhere and never explained. Nobody does math this way. You don't just randomly create a weird looking formula out of an infinite amount of possibilities and just hope it's the right one for whatever arbitrary revelation it would lead to. This isn't human and math is very, very human (you can take that in whatever interpretation you prefer).

      @SiMeGamer@SiMeGamer2 жыл бұрын
    • @@joshrowe9653 "When simply defining addition of two integers takes hundreds of pages of dense proofs," It does not. Axioms in mathematics are completely man made, you can choose your own. There is nothing better when you start with "sets" and then do your 100 pages. You can just start with numbers.

      @mestar12345@mestar123452 жыл бұрын
    • You can derive it by finding the MacLaurin series for e^x and then substituting x for ix. Then rearrange things. I'm sure he showed it the other way around to not assume the audience knows what a MacLaurin series is. That way the content is more accessible to the viewers. You could most likely find a more rigorous explanation on youtube if you want one.

      @maxwellcody6457@maxwellcody64572 жыл бұрын
  • This is all cool, but you don't explain how e "magically" enters the formula in the first place. How come re^(i phi) equals x +iy?

    @bjornmu@bjornmu2 жыл бұрын
    • Thought the same

      @ricardomanzano1270@ricardomanzano12702 жыл бұрын
    • Yeah I was waiting for an explanation to that because thats actually whats fascinating about the equation

      @souleymaneadellah1176@souleymaneadellah11762 жыл бұрын
    • I suspect there might be a simpler way to it, but the way I know the formula is from something called "Taylor Series" which is basically a "Tool" to make any function to a polynomial function. And it's beautiful. If you're new to this concept check out 3b1b video on the topic.

      @shivamsahu1371@shivamsahu13712 жыл бұрын
    • ikr, that is why I prefer the way I was teach this by studying taylor series, you get your series for exp(x), cos(x) and sin(x), and then with that you calculate exp(i*x) and alas you get to cos(x)+i*sin(x), and with that you go from x+iy to the polar form

      @copperfield42@copperfield422 жыл бұрын
    • The reason is that one usually first writes down the infinite series for cos sin (their "Taylor expansions") and then the infinite series for e^ix (its "Laurent expansion", which is actually just the Taylor series of e^x but using the polynomial properties of i, ie i*i = -1 and so on) and THEN notices that euler's identity holds for the series, so e^ix is DEFINED in terms of sin and cos, it's not just a magical property falling from the sky. This is the way I was taught at uni, if there are other approaches to introduce the complex exponential I'd be glad to hear them, but basically these are all equivalent reasonings, one can choose one property over another to characterize it and write down the formula.

      @dottormaelstrom@dottormaelstrom2 жыл бұрын
  • Wow, there’s never been a Numberphile about this? Color me surprised (but excited too!).

    @jessehammer123@jessehammer1232 жыл бұрын
    • Wow surprised little baby 😮

      @tuneboyz5634@tuneboyz56342 жыл бұрын
    • Well, you may have thought there was one, but all the sines show it was imaginary. And even this one, well, it’s a bit Complex.

      @AlisterCountel@AlisterCountel2 жыл бұрын
    • @@AlisterCountel I’m not sure you’re right. Can anyone cosine this guy?

      @jessehammer123@jessehammer1232 жыл бұрын
    • I suppose it's just so significant they didn't think to make a video explaining it. It'd be like defining the number one.

      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721@vigilantcosmicpenguin87212 жыл бұрын
  • I love it when Tom's doing the explanation, he's always so enthusiastic! Very contagious energy

    @happyestus6688@happyestus66882 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • How you represented complex numbers in polar form using exponential without allready knowing Euler's formula? It looks like circular reasoning to me.

    @joaobaptista4610@joaobaptista46102 жыл бұрын
    • Watch veritasiums video on it

      @satyakonala@satyakonala2 жыл бұрын
    • @@SaintCergue That's still incomplete reasoning. You are solving that differential equation "by inspection" by already knowing that d/dz exp(wz) = w exp(wz) for complex w and z. We know that's true for real numbers, but to show it is true for complex numbers, we need a definition for the exponential of a complex number. There are several ways to do this, but they all rely on some initial legwork. For instance, you can define exp z in terms of the power series representation, but to do so, you first have to prove that that series converges for all complex z, and then you have to show that the power rule applies to series of complex numbers, etc. Or you could just straight-up define exp as the unique function from C to C for which exp'(z) = exp(z) and exp(0) = 1. But to do that, you first have to prove that such a function exists and is unique. You can't really prove Euler's formula in a short video that assumes the audience knows nothing about complex numbers, because there is too much complex analysis leading up to it to fit in.

      @EebstertheGreat@EebstertheGreat2 жыл бұрын
    • It is, there wasn't a proof in the video

      @AssemblyWizard@AssemblyWizard2 жыл бұрын
    • To me, the way to come to this conclusion easiest is by using some calculus with Taylor Series for sin(x), cos(x) and e^x. The sum of sin and cos looks like e^x, except that some of the signs don’t match up in some places, specifically the second, third, sixth, seventh, and so on repeating every 4. If you know the cyclic nature of i, it might make sense to try e^ix. This will give you i every other term, but those are the sin terms anyway so you can separate them, factor the i’s out of the odd terms, substitute, and get Euler’s formula.

      @Mrjcraft00@Mrjcraft002 жыл бұрын
    • @@satyakonala yeah veritasiums video was much better than this garbage.

      @tomcass240@tomcass2402 жыл бұрын
  • Euler's work is so much fun. A, B, C, ..., N, ... for any sequence whatever, index notation is rare which forces a sort of conceptual elegance in the arguments.

    @Israel2.3.2@Israel2.3.22 жыл бұрын
  • Wait you can’t start your proof with the polar form of complex numbers, does that not presuppose Euler’s formula?

    @genessab@genessab2 жыл бұрын
    • He really just pulled the polar form out of nowhere

      @robertleduc5553@robertleduc55532 жыл бұрын
    • Ikr

      @shubhkarmansingh4385@shubhkarmansingh43852 жыл бұрын
    • Yes, the video is pulling that out of the air. It should be done the other way around: Expand cos and sin with Taylor series, plug in iθ and then "magically discover" that if you subtract sin from cos discover that the polar form can be written with e. But it makes the video narative less compelling :-)

      @jenspersson_lund@jenspersson_lund2 жыл бұрын
    • It all depends. If you define exp(i*theta) to be that polar form, you can derive everything from that and proof it also happens to be euler's number raised to that exponent.

      @kilianvounckx9904@kilianvounckx99042 жыл бұрын
    • It does, but I think that is allowed and it doesn't matter if you use knowledge, as long as you later prove it. This isn't the original way Euler discovered this, but just a proof. I think Euler discovered this with Taylor series.

      @0x4849@0x48492 жыл бұрын
  • I want to say thank you! Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I am a first year university student with math major, and so far, my experience have been discouraging me away from math. I kept thinking that I made a mistake, that I made the wrong choice, and that mathematics isn't for me. This video has reminded me of my love and passion of math. I took the bargain, math isn't easy, but it rewards your curiosity and perseverance.

    @andmefikri7555@andmefikri75552 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • This whole Euler Formula to Trigonometry thing is also my favorite thing in math! The connection between a Taylor Series in the specific case of e^x being the same as cos(x) * isin(x), and how that solves so many problems in trig, immediately solved so many hard-to-grasp concepts in calculus and physics that plagued me throughout all of high school.

    @calmkat9032@calmkat90322 жыл бұрын
    • It makes electrical engineering SO much easier!

      @andrewrussack8647@andrewrussack86473 ай бұрын
  • Being a Tau (where T = 2P) enthusiast, I also love e^iT = 1

    @PierpaoloBuzza@PierpaoloBuzza2 жыл бұрын
    • An alternate form: e^(i * T) + 1 * (-1) = 0 It uses six important constants: (e), (i), (T), (1), (-1), and (0).

      @artsmith1347@artsmith13472 жыл бұрын
    • On further thought, one could also include the first prime number by using pi: e^(i * 2 * pi) + 1 * (-1) = 0 It uses seven important constants: (e), (i), (2), (pi), (1), (-1), and (0). But it becomes numerology at some point. These are more compact: e^i*pi = -1 e^iT = 1 -- this is the most compact form.

      @artsmith1347@artsmith13472 жыл бұрын
  • That leaves the question: Is Numberphile an infinite series? I surly hope so.

    @frankheyder2222@frankheyder22222 жыл бұрын
    • Well, there once was PBS Infinite Series, but it ended nevertheless :(

      @bernhardkrickl3567@bernhardkrickl35672 жыл бұрын
  • this actually one of the clearest video i have seen on this topic for a while

    @anmolkessani4872@anmolkessani487227 күн бұрын
  • 10:56 anti-clockwise would have been nicer

    @z4zuse@z4zuse2 жыл бұрын
  • I prefer to think of Euler's formula as the *definition* of the cosine and sine functions. That is, you start by defining complex numbers, then define the exponential function (on the complex domain) via its power series, and then define cosine and sine to be the real and imaginary parts of this function. The really cool part is that you can then define pi analytically, by defining pi/2 to be the smallest positive root of cosine. Everything else falls out nicely after that. The way things are presented in this video suffers from circular reasoning in my view.

    @ijuhat19@ijuhat192 жыл бұрын
    • For another cool way to define trig functions, check out Eisenstein.

      @tomkerruish2982@tomkerruish29822 жыл бұрын
    • Thanks for this!

      @jasonhargis5598@jasonhargis55982 жыл бұрын
    • The only problem I have is proving the re^iθ. Where does e come from here? I can prove it using the Taylor expansions for sin, cos, and e^x, but without that I don’t know of any way to prove re^iθ

      @littyfam5136@littyfam51362 жыл бұрын
    • @@littyfam5136 e^x is pretty much defined by the properties of d/dx e^x = e^x and e^a+b = (e^a)(e^b). For e^ix, d/dx e^ix = ie^ix, so whatever e^ix is, it has to have its derivative perpendicular to its value and with the same magnitude. That function is the one that draws a circle.

      @angeldude101@angeldude1012 жыл бұрын
    • @@littyfam5136 Problem is that z=re^ix cannot be proved. It is a definition which has it properties, described here is video. So I like idea of above commenter, create some abstract numbers, explore them and find some funny things

      @romanburtnyk@romanburtnyk2 жыл бұрын
  • 11:07 - big missed opportunity to draw the cycle with "i" at the top and "-1" to the left, matching their positions on the complex plane

    @SpencerTwiddy@SpencerTwiddy2 жыл бұрын
    • I was thinking the same thing. A useful visualization tool I heard is that multiplying Z by "i" will just rotate it 90 degress counterclockwise on the complex plane, and multiplying by "-i" will do the opposite direction

      @protectedmethod9724@protectedmethod97242 жыл бұрын
  • We need a tattoo tour from Tom

    @marriedbeaN@marriedbeaN2 жыл бұрын
    • Oh, that's on Numberphile's OnlyFans account.

      @tomkerruish2982@tomkerruish29822 жыл бұрын
  • I love how all these numberphile geniuses are always so much excited and smiling.... Throughout the video

    @lakshyarana67@lakshyarana67 Жыл бұрын
  • I'm taking Intro To Complex Analysis this semester, and this formula was really cool and useful when I first learnt it.

    @RedStinger_0@RedStinger_02 жыл бұрын
  • You really have to dig Tom's enthusiasm ! It is great stuff, I'll NEVER forget when it 1st clicked for me.

    @realcygnus@realcygnus2 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • It’s not only gorgeous maths, but it’s also very important in quantum mechanics.

    @iteerrex8166@iteerrex81662 жыл бұрын
    • and differential equations

      @tweedyburd007@tweedyburd0072 жыл бұрын
  • This is a lovely exposition. There is one thing that made me wince a little though - it's not wrong, of course, just perhaps not the most elegant way to present the point. At 11:00 minutes, you show a cycle of the powers of i. You show them progressing clockwise, which grates for two reasons: we like to show angles going anticlockwise, and it puts 1 and -1 in each other's places on the complex plane. These are just matters of convention and style, of course. A few minutes later, you discuss the powers of -I. Showing multiplication by i and -i as positive and negative rotation respectively, is a nice natural way to support what you're doing with all the angles.

    @daddymuggle@daddymuggle2 жыл бұрын
  • Nice Euler's Formula. Thanks for the video!

    @davidleung9853@davidleung98532 жыл бұрын
  • Wonderful work, as always. ❤️🤙🏽

    @therealestatewhisperer4806@therealestatewhisperer48062 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • A great way to memorize the powers of i and -i is to imagine* the unit circle on the complex plane, specifically the points where it intersects the axes (-1, 1, -i, i); since angles are measured from the positive x-axis, consider moving counterclockwise around the circle as positive and clockwise as negative; then powers of i correspond to starting at i and rotating counterclockwise to -1 (and so on); and powers of -i correspond to starting at -i and rotating clockwise to -1 (and so on). Generalizing from powers to multiplying: multiplying by i corresponds to rotating counterclockwise and multiplying by -i corresponds to rotating clockwise. * pun: imagining about imaginary numbers

    @luketurner314@luketurner3142 жыл бұрын
  • This video was great, would you consider doing a video on the Laplace or Fourier transform

    @simonlaplace9790@simonlaplace97902 жыл бұрын
    • Agree: if Dr Crawford explained the Fourier transform with the same aplomb, I might finally understand it.

      @crashmancer@crashmancer2 жыл бұрын
    • are you only interested in laplace because it is your last name? haha

      @protectedmethod9724@protectedmethod97242 жыл бұрын
    • Your last name is Laplace

      @star_ms@star_ms2 жыл бұрын
  • We've gone through all these steps like 4 or 5 times here at MIPT. Still though, gives me goosebumps every time.

    @airatvaliullin8420@airatvaliullin84202 жыл бұрын
  • When I was tutoring a class in university, I apparently got really excited explaining Euler's formula. At the end of the course, the students gifted me a t-shirt with it printed on.

    @arcuscotangens@arcuscotangens2 жыл бұрын
    • I want this shirt!

      @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
    • @@TomRocksMaths What if I told you that on the front there is a print of Blastoise?

      @arcuscotangens@arcuscotangens2 жыл бұрын
  • I've seen a few videos on Euler's formula, but I think this is my favorite so far. Such a fascinating area of mathematics.

    @ahobimo732@ahobimo7322 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • I enjoyed working with those definitions for sine and cosine when I was studying Complex Analysis at the BSc level.

    @garthreid355@garthreid3552 жыл бұрын
  • Perfectly timed! I'm teaching Taylor Polynomials on Thursday!

    @obiwanpez@obiwanpez2 жыл бұрын
  • I absolutely love how my first introduction to numberphile and the concept of imaginary numbers was from their video on quartonians Every year I have a little anniversary we’re I watch that episode and every year I understand quartonians more and more Also just wanted to say thank you since Because of your videos I had the confidence to declare a major in Pure Maths at Rutgers NB I am very exited and my freshman year has gone well My proof class is challenging but enjoyable keep making amazing content and my goal would be to be on a numberphile video someday till then adios!

    @peterslattery9581@peterslattery95812 жыл бұрын
  • Best explanation of Euler’s formula ever! Thanks!

    @josejrtuti@josejrtuti2 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • This has been my favorite equation ever since I learned about it from *Person of Interest*. The charicter said almost the exact same thing, that the 5 most important and recognized constants in math are all put together, in one very beautiful, elegant, equation.

    @mcb187@mcb1872 жыл бұрын
  • How did he arrive at e ^ (itheta). Where is the proof for that. I understand z = x + iy but how is e part of this. Is that just by definition of a complex number representation.

    @JuanLeyva-fm9tj@JuanLeyva-fm9tj2 жыл бұрын
  • This is my favorite video yet.

    @antonyivanenko742@antonyivanenko7422 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • perfectly timed as id just got myself to a question on this one. gonna ve a long deep dive and i havent even started the cliffnotes yet.

    @IndigoWhiskey@IndigoWhiskey2 жыл бұрын
  • 15:52 that "alright" - priceless :)

    @deeptoilet@deeptoilet2 жыл бұрын
  • Best one a long time ago, thanks Tom it was fantastic!

    @emgyee@emgyee2 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • this is the best and by far most entertaining math video I have seen in a while :)

    @nokillnina@nokillnina2 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • That's very smooth explanation i have ever seen.

    @pavangaonkardonigadde@pavangaonkardonigadde2 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • I soooooo needed that. Big thanX

    @davidianmusic4869@davidianmusic48692 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • At 5:45 we show some properies of sin and cos, e.g. cos(x) = cos(-x). "Cos of positive theta is cos of minus theta" you said. But these are only real-numbers, you can't just apply it to complex numbers without a new proof that those properties still hold in a new domain!

    @gregoryfenn1462@gregoryfenn14622 жыл бұрын
    • (-z)^2 = z^2 in the reals and in the complex numbers: (-z)^2 = ((-1)(z))^2 = (-1)^2 z^2 = 1 z^2 = z^2. Observe that every instance of z in the maclaurin series representation of cosine is of the form (z^2)^n where n is a positive integer. QED It’s really a shame that this video starts with all this stuff that depends on the power series expansions and doesn’t get to them until halfway through the video.

      @jakobr_@jakobr_2 жыл бұрын
  • I have usually seen it in the other direction. Start with the Taylor Series of e^x, cos(x), and sin(x), and use them to prove cos(x)+isin(x)=e^(ix).

    @bethhentges@bethhentges2 жыл бұрын
  • I love love love this area of mathematics, gave a presentation all about Euler's formula during my undergraduate course at uni. Will I know absolutely everything said in this video? Yes. Will I watch it all anyway? Also yes!

    @CamMackay96@CamMackay962 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • I guess the confusing part has always been where does the "e to the i theta" come from in the polar form. Like I get theta is the angle but why does raising e to that power times i equate to a rotation by an angle. That is the intuition I still don't see. The rest after that about euler's formula and application at 0 etc is all algebra and makes sense.

    @bonob0123@bonob01232 жыл бұрын
    • He messed up really by starting with something he was trying to prove.

      @MusicFanatical1@MusicFanatical12 жыл бұрын
    • It's hard to explain in a comment but I recommend 3b1b's video on the same subject. It's something about the derivative of e^ax

      @denny141196@denny1411962 жыл бұрын
    • @@denny141196 fantastic reply with useful info! Do you have a link or title of 3b1b's video in order to find it?

      @bonob0123@bonob01232 жыл бұрын
  • A follow-up introducing Geometric Algebra as a generalization of Euler's formula would be neat next :)

    @christophkovacs@christophkovacs2 жыл бұрын
  • I must have forgotten and rederived the cos(a+b) and sin(a+b) formulas 10^2 times in my life so far. That's my fav use for Eulers formula!

    @jerrysstories711@jerrysstories7112 жыл бұрын
  • The Mandelbrot Set made me love this math, Euler's Formula.

    @drag0nblight@drag0nblight2 жыл бұрын
  • Learning to solve AC circuits with complex numbers instead of going haywire is just one instance of how powerfull of a tool they can be !

    @yashrawat9409@yashrawat94092 жыл бұрын
  • Awesome video!!! Being a math nut myself, I'm also in love with Euler's Formula!! Thanks lots for producing and posting!! :) :)

    @pinedelgado4743@pinedelgado47432 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • the e^iπ = - 1 version is much more elegant, because it illustrates what the statement is actually saying: rotating by half a turn (π radians) is equivalent to taking the negative.

    @Pfhorrest@Pfhorrest2 жыл бұрын
    • "more elegant" no, but more conceptually informative.

      @NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself2 жыл бұрын
  • need to watch it again 'n again 'till learn by heart.

    @batnikelam-mavzer443@batnikelam-mavzer4432 жыл бұрын
  • 11:05 i never thought it would bother me so much that -1 is on the right side

    @v3spirit@v3spirit2 жыл бұрын
  • Tom never told you that his tattoo used to say e^iπ - 1=0. He had to go back to the tattoo shop to get the line added to make his minus into a plus, and it was twice as painful as the whole original tattoo!

    @PopeLando@PopeLando2 жыл бұрын
  • you did this exactly backwards. Euler derived his formula from the Taylor series expansion of exp(), sin(), and cos().

    @timm1328@timm13282 жыл бұрын
  • What I have always loved about the mathematics is the stunning logic. I think this is what frightens so many people.

    @unclebrat@unclebrat2 жыл бұрын
    • No, what discourages most people from math is not the logic. It's the ugly, inconsistent notation and the confusing terminology. And most importantly, the boring, uninspired way in which it's taught by hassled teachers who're grossly underpaid and under tremendous pressure to complete the syllabus and improve test scores, while being perpetually short of time and patience.

      @nHans@nHans2 жыл бұрын
    • @@nHans I am so sorry to be this late in my response. While I agree completely with your comment of the problems that teachers have, there are certainly greater problems. I don't feel the notation is inconsistent until you deal with mathematics that transcends the usual boundaries (i.e. Whitehead and Russell) or are formulated on abstract rules. Terminology can be learned in a matter of two weeks. A much larger problem is indicated by the use of "The General Equation" so often given to students in textbooks. There is no derivation, no break-down, nothing to tell the student what is going on. The Taylor expansion is usually shown as a general formula with little explanation. These are in textbooks. Of course, my familiarity of this is over 50 years ago, but I still find it prevalent today.

      @unclebrat@unclebrat2 жыл бұрын
  • I noticed most of these relationships myself when I was considering how to hand-code the various math functions in C++ so they could execute at compile time.

    @Omnifarious0@Omnifarious02 жыл бұрын
    • Finally someone decided to do these things using a programming language.

      @PMA_ReginaldBoscoG@PMA_ReginaldBoscoG2 жыл бұрын
    • @@PMA_ReginaldBoscoG - I wrote the exp function. But it gets increasingly inaccurate as the exponent gets larger. I do have a plan for dealing with that, but it requires that the type that's used as the exponent support an absolute value function that returns a real number.

      @Omnifarious0@Omnifarious02 жыл бұрын
  • he has such an adorable personality 😊

    @yunglynda1326@yunglynda13262 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • I've just started to learn this at university!!

    @ignaciorodriguez5636@ignaciorodriguez56362 жыл бұрын
  • Minor constructive critique (though I doubt it's changeable now, just something to keep in mind in case you ever have a reason to re-visit this): at 10:54, I'd suggest doing this cycle going counter-clockwise, as then -1 would be in the relative position of where x=-1 would fall (or Re(z)=-1, if you prefer that notation), and 1 would be where x=1 would fall... whereas the current way, you've got -1 where x=1 would be, and 1 where x=-1 would be. Thanks for listening! P.S. At 12:39, I'd do that sequence clockwise, starting from the bottom.

    @DavidLindes@DavidLindes2 жыл бұрын
  • Lovely video on the subject. It works a bit backwards from how I would've explained it, but then again if I made the video it would've been pretty boring. The infinite series portion serves as the closest thing to an intuitive proof of Eulers formula I've ever seen. The graphical explanation requires that you understand that circles on the imaginary plane are described with an exponential function, which is counterintuitive if you don't have Eulers formula in the first place. Also one thing to point out for anyone who is going to go into engineering or otherwise will have to take a differential equations course: you will use this formula ALL THE TIME in that course.

    @Salien1999@Salien19992 жыл бұрын
  • this was actually fun to watch wow

    @i_uze_hax4177@i_uze_hax41772 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • Did this in further maths A level not too long ago. great revision for the final exam!

    @eelsie@eelsie2 жыл бұрын
    • same haha

      @i_uze_hax4177@i_uze_hax41772 жыл бұрын
  • Literally doing a project on euler's formula right now

    @ajboiiii8966@ajboiiii89662 жыл бұрын
  • Tom: "We have a definition of cos-theta purely in terms of e and i" The Number 2: Am I a joke to you?

    @alistairkentucky-david9344@alistairkentucky-david93442 жыл бұрын
    • Well, that's just e rounded down.

      @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721@vigilantcosmicpenguin87212 жыл бұрын
    • ​@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 and i is just sqrt(-e/e)

      @alistairkentucky-david9344@alistairkentucky-david93442 жыл бұрын
  • I dunno, 2+2=4 comes up a lot . . . Awesome video, this being my favorite kind of math; I don't have the smarts to figure out or learn this stuff, but someone else figured it out, and someone additionally came along and found beautiful ways to show and play with it.

    @magnus0017@magnus00172 жыл бұрын
  • coolest math professor award goes to this guy

    @keb7066@keb70662 жыл бұрын
  • It is worth mentioning that equations at 8:40 are near basic equations of hyperbolic functions: cosh(ai) = cos(a) and sinh(ai) = sin(a)i

    @themasterofthemansion3809@themasterofthemansion38092 жыл бұрын
  • You didn't explain why the polar form uses re^iΘ, you've explained why the polar coordinates use r and Θ. Why does e come in to play, and why exponentiation, doesn't that just wrap the value around the circle multiple times?

    @davidbrosius7518@davidbrosius75182 жыл бұрын
  • I'm gonna show this in my answers at basic trig exam for my classes when asked to find cosTH.

    @hugodesrosiers-plaisance3156@hugodesrosiers-plaisance31562 жыл бұрын
  • Euler's Identity is one of my favourite things in math. It just seems magical.

    @firehawk128@firehawk1282 жыл бұрын
  • You can also prove Euler's formula by showing that e^ix (cos x - i sin x) is a constant function; just verify that its derivative is 0 using the product rule.

    @johnchessant3012@johnchessant30122 жыл бұрын
  • To emphasize symmetry, I suggest expressing the first term of the infinite series of cos(θ) as θ^0 instead of 1 (even powers), since the first term of the infinite series of sin(θ) is θ^1 (odd powers).

    @jayyyzeee6409@jayyyzeee64092 жыл бұрын
  • I’m so glad I got to see this actually written out and shown. It’s one thing to hear something and be told this is a fact. Oh. Okay. But it’s another entirely to see why. And know why. This was fun.

    @SightedAxis@SightedAxis2 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • A follow up is needed that shows how the sum/difference/double angle trig identities can be derived from Euler's formula.

    @Tivnanmath@Tivnanmath Жыл бұрын
  • Z = r e^ (i• theta) How does this come about ?

    @SFYN..@SFYN..2 жыл бұрын
  • 12:50 He says it's the same idea except two key things, and goes on to explain it a certain way, but i prefer to think of it differently. Since it's a negative of the first loop, it's doing the same thing but in the opposite direction and starting on the term that is being multiplied. i.e. one of the goes clockwise, the other does the same loop, but anticlockwise.

    @beningram1811@beningram18112 жыл бұрын
  • If people are wondering about an application, we use complex numbers a lot in analysis of AC circuits.

    @lucasl4644@lucasl46442 жыл бұрын
  • Tom could have also showed how we can get the trig identities for sine and cosine of sums of 2 angles. That is... e^i(a+b) = e^ia * e^ib. Expand the terms on each side using Euler's identity, and then set the real parts of both sides equal to get cosine of a sum of angles and set the complex parts of both sides equal to get the sine of a sum of angles.

    @Impatient_Ape@Impatient_Ape2 жыл бұрын
    • Not just the sum of two angles but the sum of n angles using binomial expansion. And for the sum of two angles it's a lot easier to derive than trying to remember how to set up all those triangles!

      @douglaswebster3084@douglaswebster30842 жыл бұрын
  • This video is backwards. What they proved is that the polar form r*f(theta)=r cos(theta)+I r sin(theta). What they need to prove is f(theta)= e^I theta. The way to do this is by expanding cos, sin, and e, but this video uses the expansion of e to prove cos and sin.

    @jeremyhansen9197@jeremyhansen91972 жыл бұрын
  • I've read in several places that complex numbers entered math because of the real solutions to cubic equations, where they are needed as intermediate steps

    @peterflom6878@peterflom68788 ай бұрын
  • 0:49 i is not the square root of -1. The square root of -1 is undefined. i is defined such that i^2 equals -1.

    @MoempfLP@MoempfLP2 жыл бұрын
  • Fun fact if you plugin the formula just right you can get hyperbolic trig functions out of it.

    @trevorallen3212@trevorallen32122 жыл бұрын
  • At 10:53, it would make more sense to have the cycle go counterclockwise instead of clockwise to match the actual locations of i, -1, -i, and 1 on the standard 2D graph. Multiplying by i is simply rotating the space counterclockwise by a quarter turn (pi/2). This is why using the turn constant of tau = 2pi makes a full rotation. Similarly, multiplying by -i is simply rotating the space clockwise.

    @RichardJBarbalace@RichardJBarbalace2 жыл бұрын
    • This is why e^(i*tau) = 1, which is an even cooler identity.

      @RichardJBarbalace@RichardJBarbalace2 жыл бұрын
  • If I ever had a teacher as passionate as Tom, I might have gotten into STEM a lot sooner.

    @Sad_King_Billy@Sad_King_Billy2 жыл бұрын
    • @TomRocksMaths@TomRocksMaths2 жыл бұрын
  • I think the best way to motivate complex number theory is to use a geometric algebra based approach. Define not only the unit vectors (call them xhat and yhat rather than i and j, since we want i for something else later) but also the unit bivector xhat*yhat. In 2D that's the only unit bivector you have. One of the very simple rules of geometric algebra is that vector products anti-commute: v1*v2 = -v2*v1. We also have as a rule that squaring a unit vector yields one: xhat^2 = yhat^2 = 1. Now consider squaring the unit bivector: (xhat*yhat)^2 = xhat*yhat*xhat*yhat Commute the middle two - this negates the result: (xhat*yhat)^2 = - xhat*xhat*yhat*yhat Now just replace the xhat^2 and yhat^2 factors: (xhat*yhat)^2 = -1 Hey - look at that! There is only one unit bivector in 2D and it squares to -1. Let's give it the special name i, and there you go - complex arithmetic comes pouring out. We don't have to DEFINE i^2 = -1; it arises naturally in the context of 2D geometric algebra. This is just one example of the power of the method - in higher dimensions we get quaternion theory as well, and so on. ALL of the physics we do with the normal vector machinery can be done this way as well, and it's cleaner and more satisfying. Finally, note how common it is for us to use the cross product in our usual presentation of physics. That's fine, but strictly speaking cross products only "work" in 3D. You can do all of the same thing using bivectors, and that gracefully works in ALL dimensions. It's a SUPERIOR APPROACH. We should start teaching our kids geometric algebra in early high school. I didn't learn about it until I was in my 50's, and I actually was annoyed at my former teachers for never exposing me to this.

    @KipIngram@KipIngramАй бұрын
  • This is very nice channel

    @idkmax5977@idkmax59772 жыл бұрын
  • graphic at 11m10s should be _counterclockwise_ so that -1 is on the left ;)

    @doctorscoot@doctorscoot2 жыл бұрын
  • Thanks!

    @CHIEF_420@CHIEF_4202 жыл бұрын
  • This made me think of something, if you have these Cartesian coordinates and polar coordinates, if you use integer coordinates, is one of them a denser grid, aka do they assign more points in a given surface area, are they identical, or does it depend on shape of the area you use?

    @wazzzuuupkiwi@wazzzuuupkiwi2 жыл бұрын
  • I actually missed this lesson when I was at school. The teacher summarized it for me in five minutes when I got back. I was in a class of three. I was the only one that got it. And I was by far the worst student. The other two had thousand yard stares and were still recovering from the first lesson. I think the teacher had laid on the technical difficulty a bit too thick and gone through it too quickly or something, whereas the summary I got was just the right level of difficulty, and even though they sat through the summary I got as well, they still couldn't do the exercises and were totally bamboozled. I thought it was pretty funny. The problem was that the teacher was tending to pitch their lessons at degree level for A level students. The teacher was like: Why does he get it and you don't, you had a whole lesson on this!!! lol

    @BooBaddyBig@BooBaddyBig2 жыл бұрын
    • You probably got an explanation tailored to your specific needs, while the class got a generic version. This might have been a bigger lesson for your teacher than for you!

      @anachromium@anachromium2 жыл бұрын
  • The thing I love doing with Euler's formula is deriving trigonometric identities. Suppose, for example, you want to know an expanded form for sin(A+B). cos(A+B) + i sin(A+B) = e^(i(A+B)) = e^(iA) e^(iB) = (cos A + i sin A) (cos B + i sin B) = (cos A cos B - sin A sin B) + i (sin A cos B + cos A sin B) Match up real and imaginary parts, and you have your identity.

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