ENGINEER EXPLAINS WHY TURBO ENGINE IN 2022 TUNDRA WILL LAST ONE MILLION MILES - as reliable as V8
2021 ж. 11 Қыр.
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Upset about the 3.5L twin turbo V-6 is the new 2022 Toyota Tundra? Automotive Engineer and Toyota veteran David Koichi Chao explains why the turbocharged engine in the new 2022 Tundra will last a million miles and why it's as reliable as the proven V-8 engine in the current Tundra.
Automotive Press is owned and managed by David Koichi Chao, a global expert in the field of automotive evaluation, consulting, and strategy. David is known around the world as an authentic specialist of Lean Thinking or Toyota Production System. Born and raised in Japan, David has an engineering degree from University of British Columbia and post-graduate education from MIT and Harvard Business School in Boston.
Toyota and Yamaha are very similar in many ways. It takes them a long time to come to market but when they put out something new it is done right. Two very strong companies.
Bartender!!! One beer to this señor.
Actually they both have partnered up in early years when the Toyota celica was built in 2000 to 2005 the engine was Yamaha, if you ever get a chance to look under the hood, look on the passenger side on the back side of engine you will see YAMAHA 👍
@@itsjustme4222 No sorry, I would have to beg to differ. The Chrysler Corporation is the best automotive manufacturer to be created. KIDDING! No way!
Yamaha comes out with a piano and Toyota comes out with the Lexus LC500, uhh I though you guys were supposed to be making the same thing?? Scratches head😳
@@itsjustme4222 True, however that engine was not their finest work, it had a lot of issues which some speculate, including Scotty Kilmer as to why Toyota stopped making that car, I miss it! On the other hand Yamaha tuned the exhaust not of the Lexus LFA, and that was a huge success 👍 Take care🇨🇦🍻🤙
Turbo will never be more reliable than a NA engine! It could be a reliable engine but never more reliable than a NA. Cmon
A twin turbo lasting 1 million miles….come on man.
It'll take me 18 to 20 years to total 200K miles. If it's bullet proof that long I'm delighted.
Coming from the Eco boost I just don’t understand how this is possible
@@adamgarcia9839 I had the ecoboost before o bought my tundra… it needed engine overhaul at 47k miles… go figure.
@@michaelbosisto6259 mine only made it to 87k, mostly driven by my wife. Did all the PMs myself and was over the top on them. Luckily we had extended warranty soon as it was fixed traded it in for a sequoia
His credibility is taking a major hit here. A simulated run in Toyota’s clean room does not represent real world use.
This video didn't aged too well. Now we have customers complaining about this engine as well as the fit and finish. No, not a good excuse that the product is new because a lot of rigorous testing takes place before production begins.
Not really..most engines have some issues in the first couple yours..same as the 5.8v8 when it came out.
Less than .1% of the new Tundras have had engine issues. I've had 2 Tundras with the TTV6 and no issues. Just silky smooth and very powerful.
The only complaint I’m seeing is people expected better gas mileage. Fit and finish look for a different video.
@mangravy2000 when you spend your hard earned money , it's not just fuel efficiency , looks but also fit and finish. Confused about looking else where for fit and finish. It's my overall opinion of the product itself
@raymondpoh bought a 2024 tundra..fit and finish is on point... I think those issues have been solved.
I like to think that the reason Toyota took so long to develop the new Tundra is because they completed the necessary R&D to deliver a reliable engine for this platform… time will tell 🤞🏽
@@americanadreaming welcome to the club
@@americanadreaming You could also buy an F250 with the 6.2 V8. The GM 6.6 V8 and the RAM 6.4 V8 are good as well, but you have to buy an HD. I’m sure the Tundra twin turbo V6 will be bulletproof after a year or two. There is always some minor issues that testing won’t catch. I’m not a fan of the current Tundra with the short van like hood.
Hopefully the transmission and suspension are updated. Too many issues with ball joints and control arms and overheated transmission.
Ding ding ding ding ding.
@@hybridstiger what’s the ding ding sound
As a long time Toyota Tundra owner I have complete confidence in their engineering and manufacturing abilities. I venture to say that the majority of owners have experienced above average reliability and satisfaction with Toyota products.
If they are that good, then it's amazing they only sell about 1/8 as many as Ford sells F-series*. Fleets keep meticulous records about cost of ownership. Toyota has virtually zero of the commercial fleet truck business. Ford has close to 50% of that business. *Toyota built their San Antonio plant with the intent of producing 200,000 per year. Only one year (2007) did they even got close. The last 10 years they've averaged 112,500 per year or roughly half of the designed capacity of the plant.
I agree, can't wait to test drive the new Tundra.
What Tundra do you have though? There are a lot of reported issues with the 2007-2010 5.7L. Valve spring catastrophic failures and the air injection pumps being the main ones. Some of the valve issues were happening under 75k miles and destroyed the engine. I love Toyota, I wouldn't own anything else, but there are plenty of things they don't get right too.
@@oldowl4290 I still own a 2005 Tundra 4.7 with 320,000 miles and a 2021, it's a great truck and I really like it, but due to the current economic fuel trends it is leaving my possession. I will opt for the 3.5 TT some time in the future.
@@kennethreynolds8 I'm shopping for an 05-06 or 07-12. I need a weekender work truck but also want to offroad/overland. I'm leaning to the 1st gen but also like the 2nd gen a lot. I need to compare weights and tow capacity. I know the 2nd gen is heavier and larger but it's not a deal breaker. I do like the 1st gen however from the standpoint of putting in a manual transmission and xfer case. A few people have done it in last 4 years and a few places offer adapter plates now.
great video thank you for the update on the new 2022 Tundra, i worked with Volvo through the mid 80's to early 90's during their first generation turbo charging and was a learning curve and averaging about 100k miles, these turbos were only oil cooled and never really had a chance to cool down much, often the oil temp was higher than the coolant temp, 2nd generation the turbos were engineered with cooling passages from the engines cooling system and in testing globally the longevity was increased almost 5 fold and increased more with the introduction of an intercooler and 33 bhp increase with only miner fuel economy changes and all of the NA 4cyl engines and turbo 4's well outlasted Volvos 6 cyl engines easily , to this day there are many Volvo turbo intercooler 4 cyl engines running with over 600 or 700k kilometres so there is longevity intro engines, the biggest change today metallurgy for turbos and the bearings in them turbos now are almost 30% more efficient and smaller and make more power with less boost and last twice as long in many cases with lower EGT's also, Toyota tests for longer periods than most companies so they give the owner the utility and reliability that they look for from Toyota and this is why you'll see less of them having issues than allot of their competitors do, in the end it all comes down to what maintenance you as the owner does with the vehicle, regular oil changes and fallow the schedule that's given to you with your new vehicle, if you use it this way you will get a million miles, most of us won't see half of that and will want the next best thing in a car truck or SUV, any company can build a vehicle to last a million miles, the difference between Toyota and them is Toyota lives it, they do the R&D globally and then give it to the consumer German cars no longer dopa good example is Ford 3.5 EcoBoost engines troubles in the early years now there are lots running around with 25-300k miles on them and not been apart, all the V8's of the 50's and 60's needed valve jobs after 40-50k miles and got better when engineering technologies in a few years, its hard to say any new vehicle is bad they all run quite well with the ECU's in them, some have as many as 70 or 80 units in each vehicle the new Land Rover has an average over 70 in each vehicle that is crazy, that is just the way it is, this new engine will be a good, strong reliable power plant for the Tundra, most of you have to stop and just give it the chance 👍
Thank you for the information. You do need to proof read your submission.
I had a 1999 850 T5, I sold it to my friend whose uncle was a Volvo tech, the car still run till today, but she only uses it for short trip (one reason why I think the car still run). I thought oil fed turbo was a genius move. It will be interesting to on how Toyota cool their turbo new V6 in their Tundra.
I will say that my 2013 tundra with 130k miles still runs and drives like a brand new truck.
187K on my 4Runner and that thing isn't showing any signs of slowing down. I completely agree with you on that.
Neighbor has 2011 Ford 3.5L Turbo (1st gen), has over 185K, it runs and drives like a brand new truck. Never anything other than normal maintenance. I'll grant it doesn't LOOK like a brand new truck, because it's a work truck with paint skinned up here and there, little dings that you don't get at the mall parking lot.
I just finished watching a video of the million mile tundra
Lol and gets 13mpg highway lol. My 6.2 sierra gets 18 city. Got it
My 06 highlander has almost 197k and it’s as smooth as when it was new. Very quiet and smooth v6. We could use a bigger car but the highlander just keeps going strong. Great company.
I think Toyota will ultimately make another reliable engine. Accelerated wear testing is not exactly real world testing. Heat cycles and extreme climate conditions play a part in longevity, especially in seals.
the engine might be good, but putting so many eggs in one basket is foolish. Should that turbo fail, the costs will be very high to replace...no thank you
@@aarontaylor9413buy a horse that one not fail😂
@@aarontaylor9413 how so? Replacing a turbo is not that expensive, turbos operate off of exhaust heat so all that could fail are bearings, which are built very well today. Cars are designed to operate at a specific air fuel ration so if turbo fails the engine management system will reduce fuel being supplied to engine?
Or I can just avoid a vehicle with an expensive turbo.
Not expensive? Its more than 5k just for the turbo...then to replace it is a major job. I hate, I mean utterly HATE rip off dealerships. I do most of my own work, or know people who can. That turbo will force a lot of people to have to spend more money at a dealership. Thzt wont work for people, ike me. Dealerships have high costs, and transfer that burden to its customers. That is unxceptable to me, as I dont care about their high costs, and are not willing to pay them.
tell me why my tundra alr got its engine replaced and it’s a 22
Hi David! Thank you for making this video. I have been telling people the same thing! I was wondering if you could walk us through how they prepare the factory for new manufacturing processes like the new TNGA-F frame innovation. Thank you!
Thank you for time and insight...
You said it yourself @ 3:46: "Yes, perhaps they're a little bit more delicate than a standard V8 engine..." These twin-turbo V6 engines won't take kindly to the abuse and neglect that the old 5.7 was able to endure.
I was thinking the same lol. I'll stick with my V8 until they work all the kinks out
Some are opposed to turbo gas engines, say they will wear out too quickly etc. But if the engine is designed to BE turbocharged from the start, with proper lubrication, bearing sizes, cooling etc. they are made to handle the power, just as a bigger v8 came with bigger bearings than a small v8. In the old days, taking a regular gas engine and adding a turbocharger DID push the engine beyond what it was designed to produce, but that was then.
Good point
Fantastic! Looking forward to seeing Toyota guarantee their turbochargers for a million miles. In writing.
will the driving experience be a balancing experience? and be smooth going from electric to the TT-V6-? i have driven many other hybrid cars and they shake and jump and jerk- all the time.
Thank you for the information! Subbed!
All this guy did was repeat the same stuff and said Toyota tests stuff. What about people who tow? How will this engine hold up to 20,000-30,000 miles of towing 3 tons? That's what I want to know and that's why so many people are disappointed. We wanted something that could really compete with a 2500 or 250.
Thank you for this! I’m eagerly awaiting the next gen 4Runners! I’ll probably wait for the 2024 or 2025 version, but I’m sure the engine and technology for it will be worth the wait!
Will the new twin turbo 3.5 have Atkinson cycle? Love my 2016 Tacoma but major complaints are it is sluggish due to the six speed transmission and Atkinson mode searching for best mpg. Thanks for the video, I have always been a Toyota fan.
Thanks for that explanation sir. What say you of the iForce Max, reliability of the Hybrid design?
Should also be very reliable...
Thank you for the detailed info. I’m looking forward to putting at least 200k miles on my new ‘22 Platinum when it finally becomes available.
I am waiting for the MPG on the V6. I will get one when they come out. I have had Toyotas for years the ones i had have been bullet proof i run them for 200,000 + miles with no issues.
The EPA numbers are going to be a lie like usual with turbo v6s
@@scottfree6479 i can beat the epa numbers in my 2.7 f150. It all depends upon how you drive. You cannot "keep up with traffic" that zips around city turns and stays on the gas till the light turns red, constantly using the brakes... You have to drive boring, coast to stops. But i can get 28mpg out of a tank, over 500 miles before a 20g refill. I don't do it all the time, but it's possible. (Way easier now that i don't live in a large town). I don't doubt the 'yota will be the same.
@@volvo09 Yeah of course, but you can do similar things with ANY engine. Efficient driving techniques are not limited to eco-boost engines. Meanwhile a big V8 will perform consistently better then more weight you have since it is getting better burn efficiency. Furthermore such driving is not convenient for 95%+ of people.
Avg 18.4 mpg on my 22.
Turbos aren’t bad if they’re done right. Every Semi on the road has one.
Every semi will need to have them replaced
@@clb_52 yes, but they can last a really long time.
@@clb_52 replacing a turbo>>>replacing an engine
@@danl7442 Both are costly🤑
@@tmr8193 pretty much every semi on the road has one. Better, buddy?
I have a 2021 4.0 4runner. I wondering if toyota has a system that pumps oil first then ignites the car to prevent dry starts? Does going to ACC mode for a few seconds then turning the car
That v8 growl though
They will have it. Coming from the speakers. My wife just shot up in value.
@@jeremy9071 yup lol love the v8
That sweet turbo spool though
I’d prefer silence, it’s nice to hear an elk bugle or a Turkey gobble while driving in the woods. The 3.5 ecoboost is so quiet it’s amazing
I hope Toyota's twin turbos don't overheat and burnout when towing a heaving load. Talking to EcoBoom.
Eco boost was a horrible design from the beginning , plus it’s a Ford. That was the first and last Ford I’ll ever buy what a nightmare that pos was
@@wesdonovan821 mine was all stock
@@1FiftyOverland and bad design …
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@@adamgarcia9839 You seem so puerile.
Dave, will oil change intervals be more often with the V6 turbo than the 5.7L V8 at 10,000 miles?
I can just about guarantee that the oil change interval will be the same. Environmental pressures will see to that.
I’m willing to wager they will not last as long as my V8, nor be as trouble free, especially if it has gdi injection.
Ugh, GDI is terrible. If they do, they at least need to put an injection event before the intake valves for cleaning. Still, though, that’s more complexity and cost. Damn EPA and GDI…
The Lexus LS 500 2017 and above comes with same TT V6 and has both gdi and multiport so i personally Think that the failure will not happen that regard. Can Anyone weigh in with a High Mileage 2017+ LS 550 TT V6 on Reliability?
100% Theres no way in hell that any turbo engine is going to be able to be even close to reliability with their v8s
I have many Toyotas & Lexuses but you’ll never convince me a much more complicated engine will last longer than a simpler one. Sure if you put in more maintenance (time, energy and money) like what is required of turbo vehicles, it might be acceptably reliable & durable under real world conditions
@@tundralane256 I'm at 235k with my 07 Camry. Don't have Lexus money lol
We currently own 2016 F`150 with 2.7 ecoboost engine and so far 5 years and no problems. I have no issues with new turbo engines.
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That's why I bought the 3.5 eco boost, knew multiple friend that have that engine, have only smiles on their faces when they talk about it.
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Had this been out in 2019 when I bought my 3.5 ecoboost, I might have just went with the Toyota even though I've been a Ford fan my whole life. Toyota makes solid vehicles. We chose a Highlander over the Explorer and have been very happy with it the past three years
Thank you for your knowledge
Excellent information. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you David, i have a 2011 Tundra 5.7L V8 with 260,000 miles, will trade that one come March 2022 for the new Tundra. Nothing wrong with my current truck, i just wanted to try the new TTV6 engine.
I can’t put my finger on it but Toyota definitely has the “secret sauce” when is comes to durability, longevity and reliability. We have a large fleet of trucks at the utility I work for and the technicians rarely have to make repairs to the Toyota trucks. The Big 3 trucks are another story. They keep the mechanics and the local auto parts store busy!
Yet when you look at the entire fleet (commercial) pickup market, Toyota is a rounding error of the total.
@@cl3410 I hope you’re joking
@@cl3410 Chrysler has traditionally been shit when it comes to reliability and dependability. They are trying to improve though, and have had some success in recent years, but still have a long way to go. GM is a little better, but there newer cars have had a number of electronic issues. Ford is the best of the big 3 currently, but still far behind Toyota. The numbers show this. When you look at reliability and dependability data, Toyota out performs the competition. Same with Lexus when compared to other luxury brands. The 1st RX gen RX300 had transmission issues. Both my brother and cousin had problems with theirs. But that's not the standard, its the outlier. You are right in regards to American cars improving their quality and dependability. However, Toyota hasn't been sitting with their thumb up their asses. They are always striving to improve. Reliability and dependability are their selling point, and if they lose that, they they would be utterly fucked. Consumers decide with their wallets based on their experiences. And if Toyota slips, people will go elsewhere. Toyota isn't perfect by any measure, but they do out perform the competition with regards to dependability and reliability. The 5.7L Tundra proved itself to be the most dependable and reliable pickup. I am pretty sure Toyota will do everything in their power to not fuck that up with the 3.5L TT. That being said, competition is good. Because when companies compete, consumers win. kzhead.info/sun/pK2OmaWteGqojYk/bejne.html
Own a Toyota and Chevy and I would say the Toyota is built like a tank and the Chevy like a Hummer, but then again I do have the 4Runner and Tahoe. Chevy trucks very reliable but cars I don’t believe so much so. Overall Toyota better quality I also own a Camry but they do up charge you for that dependability
@@cl3410 I had a 2009 GMC Sierra 4X4 , Z71 package with the 6.6 L Duramax diesel. Towed a 32 ft fifth wheel trailer/camper that weighed 10,000 lbs. all over hell and back. I only ever had to replace a glow plug and that was the extent of repairs to that truck. I’m 68 yrs old and didn’t want to prep and haul the trailer any more soI traded it in for a 2021 Tacoma TRD Sport. This was two months ago and the Toyota dealer was very glad to have my 09 GMC truck in the current truck shortage, so I got an outstanding price. That truck didn’t need the DEF fluid, didn’t have cylinder deactivation or the run stop crap. I miss it because of nostalgia but not because it gave me any trouble. Rule: Take care and maintain your vehicle.
Hi, can you comment as to why if such testing is done why was a recall issue on certain models? Having said that, I would still choose Tundra over the competition.
So what's the resource (how many miles that 3.5 engine will work that engine without break down ) of 3.5 twin turbo toyota?
Great info
I agree with you regarding the long term reliability of the V6 turbo that’s well maintained. Kaizen has proven to be Toyota’s long term advantage. One concern I have on my 2020 Tacoma is the use of plastics on various engine components. Particularly engine cooling system components. I worry about long term fatigue, cracking and coolant leaks. One particular component is at the back of the engine. It’s hard to fix. They have to remove the cab of the truck to access it. Especially the 2016 & 17’s Tacoma’s. I wish they would have continued with metal on these critical components.
Stick with older Toyotas. These new Toyotas aren't the same. Stick with 95-2010 Toyotas.
2017 taco owner here. 5 years no issues, Toyota serviced, 5 state inspections(tough state requirements). I have not seen what you are talking about except for the oil filter housing and you don’t need to remove the body of the truck. Please tell me which plastic part I need to replace by removing the entire truck body.
Is the Lexus 3.5 TT (3.44 liter) produced at the Tahara plant? And will the Tundra’s 3.5 TT be produced at the Huntsville AL plant? If so, are there any differences? Is the current 5.7 liter from Tahara used in the LC or LX 570 any better than the Tundra’s 5.7 from Huntsville? Just curious.
Hi dear is there any issue with new 2022&2024 Tundra/ Land Cruiser 3.4 twin turbo engine problems??? Bcoz there’s some land cruisers woner they face some engine issues
How much is Toyota paying this guy?
Did they start the 100 year UV test after the 2007-2011 Camry? I found it hard to believe they subjected those dash’s to any test like that since they all melted in a 10 year window.
I am sure they did, check out 1997-2001 Camry. No one said those years got shitty interior in Southern California. 2007-11 Camry used different part suppliers. Just like what happened in certain run away V6 scandals happened over a decade ago.
I agree....same epidemic with the LS460 dash and interior panels
I think it was only an 07 to 09 problem, the issue was fixed for all 2010 plus models
@@notasolutionI got a 11, they all melted, sticky, difficult to clean and reflects in the windshield when sunny. It’s a Made in US Camry…
My friend bought 2023 taundra and it broke already. Check engine light came on and vehicle stopped moving.
Is the added cost of the Hybrid Tundra worth it vs the standard 3.5 Turbo V6 Tundra ?
I grew up on Toyota's. Corolla, Tercel, R22 mini truck. Then drove a 3 year old Buick hand-me-down for a few years. Complete disaster. Bad auto transmission lockup pin, heater core leaked, ABS malfunctioned all before 100k miles. After I started making some decent money. I bought an Infiniti G35 thinking it was going to be much better than the Skylark. It was, but not by much. Bad seat switches, bad control arm bushings, leaking shocks, and it kept eating oil. Bought the 2016 Tacoma (1st year). Just paid it off. Not one problem. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
u paid it off in 1 year?
Same here. 2016 trd dc. Great truck
I’d like to see a video of how little Fiat Chrysler tests their products 😂
You mean #1 in initial quality?
They have someone kick the vehicle really hard as it comes off the line and if it stays 90% together then it’s a pass!
Those tests aren’t for their products: they’re for my patience.
They dont
@@mannymotta2174 You mad your brand got beat by FCA in initial quality lmao
I love my new 23 tundra these trucks are amazing only thing I would ask for is down hill assistance for hills and less lag on the turbo
I plan on buying a new Sequoia next year! My question is which oil do you recommend?
How well can this engine tow as compared to the outgoing 5.7? In my opinion Toyota should enter the heavy duty segment of the truck market to compete with F250
Absolutely, Mike!
The tundra v8 is a workhorse and was smooth, economical and powerful. Less cylinder pressures, less complexity etc. Ive owned both and if reliability was my main focus(which it is nowadays) then I'd choose naturally aspirated ALL DAY LONG. Bring back the v8 but do a hydrogen one maybe!?
There is just no hydrogen infrastructure set up and to make hydrogen clean with electrolysis is extremely inefficient.
Will the newer lexus GX get a turbo v6 engine as well?
Wow !! My 2005 Tundra is still running great so I bet these engines are great !!
Nah these new Toyotas aren't the same as the 2000s Toyota. More rigidness, reliability, and performance.
I have 99 4runner and still runs like it’s new but I just cannot wait for the 2023 4runner to be released can’t wait to put my hands on em!!
Are they putting the twin turbo v6 in the 4 Runner? I thought it was a 2.0L 4 cylinder. No more V6.
Yea I think they putting 4cyl with turbo tho
@@stickfiggas22 I hope not. I’m out.
I’m going with the 2022 4Rnr this round. It’s solid and maybe a cool flaming ☀️ sun orange will be available on the TRD PRO by 2025 😂
V6 tt only replaces the v8(tundra,sequoia and landcruiser). I would prefer the Tacoma over 4runner, unless you're going for that 3rd row. You get that bed from the Tacoma!
I can’t wait to test the engine out. I tow regularly with heavy loads, hills, and long distances.
I had the LC300 for almost a week, it is definitely quicker than the 5.7 and the fuel consumption is amazing. The 10 speed it great for highways too.
I’m interested to see the towing mpg as these turbo charged V6s tend to get poorer miles per gallon than naturally aspirated V8s when towing.
Why not get a 3/4 or 1 ton truck if you're doing that?
Make sure it has a transmission fluid cooler. Make the service manager of the dealership point it out to you. I bought a 2019 Platinum Crewmax and the factory window sticker listed a transmission cooler under “Tow Package”. Except Toyota pulled a quiet cheap-ass stunt and deleted it from the truck. When I found out I was pissing napalm like hundreds of other customers that were shafted. I called Toyota, wrote letters, etc. and Toyota basically gave me the finger. Good luck with that twin turbo engine.
Great content!! Came here from the Care Carnut Channel.
Very helpful!!!
I keep reading about the new tundras turbo waste gate problems and how difficult it is to have the parts replaced. Going to give this model year a miss and wait until the bugs get worked out.
I would never buy the first year model of a powertrain update. I don't care if the same powertrain was in another vehicle, it still takes production side time to perfect their process. Along with real world usage of said vehicle. I usually wait till year 3 in a update cycle unless it's just a face lift.
What a fun and exciting thought if this TT 3.5L engine was in the Tacoma as well! Is this an idea that Toyota is willing to experiment with?
Thanks for the information , I feel more confident now in buying the next Tundra !
Awesome video!! I’m confident the engine is amazing, how about the transmission?? Also what’s this price tag going to look like??? If this is a $55-$70k truck I’m out
The 2021 Sr5 starts at 45 sooo you’re probably looking at around 60k for the TRD pro iforce max
Thanks Zack! Can’t wait until my local dealers have all the trim levels available to actually go out and take a look at. Don’t want to but price will determine if I let go of my current tundra. 👍🏽
Expect big dealer markups on this truck.
Regarding Toyota's engine R & D testing: do they include dynamic, short trip, repeated start/stop, cold-engine driving scenarios -- or only run engines continuously? I'd assume they do, but would like to know for sure. I read an interview with a GM R&D exec who claimed the turbocharged variant of the 1.4L 4-cylinder engine used in the Chevy Trax/Buick Encore was virtually bulletproof, too, as result of similarly dynamic, rigorous and extensive testing it was subject to. Despite the fact that GM's engines are not in the same league as Toyota's, both made similar claims: that the refinements made and reliability/longetivity achieved via dynamic laboratory testing would equal real world success.
I'm still waiting to hear why mechanically they can last as long Details in the metallurgy and type of turbos and their bearing types.....plus types of oils to be used?
ROASTED.
I've seen this mistake many times with many different technologies. Continuous operation in a lab does not necessarily translate to long life in the customers hands. It is possible to simulate real world conditions, starts, stops, hot, cold, rpms up and down, etc etc. Many manufacturers don't do this. They rely on the "continuous on" testing to prove how reliable their products are. I'm hoping Toyota is smarter than that, but I won't hold my breathe....
Totally agree with you
100% agree. Hey Toyota, would you like to address how many 'rust belt' specific issues the Tundra has had over the years? What, don't they salt the roads in your endurance laboratory? Let's see the 'Tow it from Phoenix to Flagstaff simulation'.
Yes! Watch the first series of these get plagued with issues like every car that goes into production. The first three years almost always come with the most issues because of real condition usage. We knew Toyota was going to mass produce a v6 twin turbo long ago with their test bed at Le Mans, with a successful victory at that. Still, even with more advanced technology today I don't think a turbocharged engine will last as long as a naturally aspirated engine.
With the hundreds of millions of dollars involved in developing a truck and powertrain you can bet the powertrain has been tested all over the world in 2nd gen Tundras or other Toyota trucks in severe duty. Their reputation for reliability was earned.
Any commute vehicle long distance from A to B. Many from different auto manufacturers run in the excess of 1-2 million miles. One Volvo reaches 3 million miles. Google it.
very informative videos. Thanks
You're welcome!
I remember when Toyota got into the half ton market and people were saying "well Toyota has never had a full size V8 truck, it won't last"..... These are the same people now doubting this TT engine.
How well did those rusty frames hold up? lol
@@dude-yg9ez is this about Toyota or Ford?
@@dude-yg9ez did Ford have to settle a class action lawsuit for rusty frames?
@@brianthompson9485 oh that happened recently? What happened afterwards?
Plenty of examples of high mileage Tundras so I'd say the truck fared well. My brother's 2006 has no frame issues and we live in Utah where we get snow and shit loads of salt on the road.
I’ve always thought this about Toyota ,Honda generators. Unlike GM ,Ram ,Ford ,we test them and they are in the parts business 😂👍
Thanks for the info. I will miss the V8.
Does anyone have an idea what impact on pricing will have (if any) on used/older Tundras?
They will go up, down, or stay the same. Used market isn't making any sense right now. Buy what you can afford, when you can afford it!
@@kevinhandy2490 It really is bonkers right now - so frustrating. You are right in that in that I should custom tailor to fit my $$$ reach. Thanks!
I’m looking forward to the advantages forced air induction will provide at higher altitude.
Me too. Live at over 6k foot elevation
Everything you said is all well and good, but you can't beat the V8 sound, also the one issue that Ford has with it's twin turbos is the engine actually burns more fuel while under loaded conditions than the V8.
And yet they call it an 'ecoboost'. What ppl dknt realize is yes these smaller tt engines might be getting better mpg, but that's because they're final results are comparable if u were to baby drive them in the city and hwy. But in the real world where ppl will most likely hit the gas pedal more to accelerate faster or to tow, they will in most cases get worse fuel economy with more strain upon the engine than with a na engine. Yes some to small engines are durable but thats not the norm
If you tow a lot then get a large NA engine or diesel.. I bet 70% of half tons don’t tow, ever. . My V8 tundra was terrible on gas when towing, snd my new 3.5 tt tundra is terrible when towing. If I towed “all the time” Id buy a big diesel. But then you also spend more on the truck.. So really.. what is the point to your post??
@@stephan5026 my point being is that every car company is all about turbos, which I stated burns more fuel when under load, also it wears out the engines faster. I do agree if towing heavy loads all the time get a diesel, but for the weekend warrior's like myself who tow toys the V8 is a better choice, and still get an average of 19 combined when commuting, without spending a fortune on a diesel which I do not need.
@@micahott1859Well stated.
@@blackice7408 As a Ford F-150 owner I agree with the remarks regarding the Ecoboost. That’s why I drive the 5.0.
What about all the spu bearings we are having in this engine. What is toyota goung to do to correct this issue and make it right with us?
We have exclusively own Toyota vehicle for 45-years for the very reasons this automotive engineered stated, I have had three Camrys roll 500,000 miles, Supra hit 400,000 miles, Celica GTS hit 450,000 miles and my Regular Cab Red Tundra SR5 with the 5.7L (4.79 sec 0-60) hit 475,000 miles but best of all our 1984 Camry Le hit 845,000 and when we sold it, truly we take extreme care of our vehicle, the 1984 Camry LE look so outstanding and in perfect condition with that many miles we sold it for $3000. So yes we are now fully excited for the new Tundra, our last three were superb trucks so can't wait to get this new 2022!
David, You need to keep your 2022 Tundra for 1 million miles to underline these claims :D
You're absolutely right! I may have to put them on the 24/7 dyno and run it all day, all week and hopefully hit 1 million miles within one year so that I can trade it for the new 4Runner and do the same thing!
@@AutomotivePress I was thinking of a 25-30 year test drive.
@@rightlanehog3151 Good idea... hopefully I'm around still at that time!
@@AutomotivePress Just eat lots of salmon instead of Big Macs and you will be fine. BTW I have a brilliant idea on how WE can get non-North American models into the country for extremely exclusive Automotive Press testing . I will send you a note ;-)
@@rightlanehog3151 Look forward to the note!
No doubt it is a good engine, but let's not forget to highlight that when side by side it is unlikely that the v6 will last as long as the V8 under normal to heavy use. Not possible to have a smaller engine produce more power with less wear.
Yes it is possible. I can think of a dozen examples.
It’s totally possible lol.
I see your point. But use synthetic oil and change it regularly and your turbo V6 Tundra engine will outlast everything else in the truck and likely you and me 😂
Yes, it’s very possible to do better with less.
Well said Sean. Not only that don't forget that Toyota tries to tell you that you don't need to change your oil but every 10,000 miles...if all you do is drive highway miles. (mega eye roll). Bottom line 5,000-7,500 miles max on 0w-20.
Do you know if the interior has been upgraded? I’m tired of my hard arm rests in 2012 tundra. I’m ready for a new truck 😉
Of course it has. It’s a brand new generation tundra.
have you seen the pictures from the leaks and Toyota the whole trucks is all new
@@swami539 I have and most of what I’ve seen focusing on the dash upgrades, Qi charging, Trd letters on the seats. I don’t recall any pictures pertaining the padding on armrest for the center console or door panels
My 3.5 ecoboost lasted a whopping 14k miles before cylinder failure and new short block needed. Thats why i drive a 5.7 aTundra now. I ll give Toyota time to work out bugs before i upgrade
Amen
Ford still can't figure out trim pieces, dashboards, roof rails, paint etc. Why they would be able to get a decent turbo motor together is beyond me..
@@saisr1 my f150 I had and my sons both had warped dashes.
Sure, I have a 3.5 EB and have 4 different friends with them none of us have had issues with our 3.5's. I have two friends that have used Tundras the got them cheap because the previous owners got tired of the dismal mpg's. Ford's new 7.3L V8 in a 3/4 ton truck achieves significantly better mpg's than Toyota's 5.7.
@@Steve-yr5vi was not my experience at all. Like I said new piston skirt at 14,000 miles and the service at the dealership shameful
Scotty Killmer needs to see this!! he doesn't like turbos on engines, because they shorten their lives!!!!
Scotty Killmer is a click bait shill. If anybody takes anything he says seriously then they deserve whatever mess that gets them in
If Scooty were right about ANYTHING, then Ford, GM, Chrysler, AND NOW TOYOTA would either already be out of business or will be before the end of next year. I watch him for laughs. Turbo's don't "short the engine's life" unless you neglect maintenance. Turbo's are more demanding -- just like a diesel is more demanding. Skip, or cheapen up on the maint and you'll have a mess on your hands, turbo gas engine or any diesel whether the diesel has a turbo or not.
@@glenatgoogle4393 I mean that’s kinda exactly what he says u can’t lack on maintenance like NA engines that being said the fact a lot of companies do make shity engine and shity turbo design combinations is another topic.
I think he secretly drives a Tesla.
I should have never switched to the GMC AT4 from my 2010 Tacoma ! 😭 I’ll be be getting the new Tundra.
Get an 18-21 you will be very happy. No Premium, Less Frequent oil changes, the engine is a beast. Awesome Truck seriously. Plus the headlights look the best to me in those models.
I have the 2019, 6.2L as well. Must have been built on a Friday. Nothing but problems.
All my family drive Toyota and Lexus (6) and the most high miles is 179.000 Tacoma 2013 & 150.000 Tundra 2012. The most I like is air conditioning “ít very very goooooood” 👍
Timing belt or chain?
What about V4 Turbocharged engine on a toyota highlander will that Last any longer than a Twin turbo V6 on the tundra and Sequoia??
It's hard to say but the V6 might last longer
A million miles at highway speeds. Turbos will have to be replaced every 175000 miles
Time will tell. I think the fuel mileage improvement will be a good balance. Have a 2014 Toyota Highlander with the basic 3.5 litre V6 and it runs like new 350,000 kms. Not turbo charged but alot of development goes into these things. Hoping to check them out. Liked the 4.7 V8 which was dropped after 2019 year I believe.
Are you giving this figure for all turbos? If so my F350 with 400,000 miles and stock turbos begs to differ..
Guess the UV testing wasn't done on the light housing for 2017 Camry's That thing started yellowing and went opaque within a year under the Texas sun, both sides evenly though..
Yeah, I had the same question. I guess no one looked at the lights. Honda's have the same problem.
Thanks for the video! Really enjoyed it hearing from a SME who really knows what he's talking about. As a former Toyota production worker at NUMMI in CA (we produced the Tacoma, Vibe and Matrix) I know firsthand the insane dedication to quality of Toyota. The issues I see imho will be build issues, i.e. fit and finish. See, if the engine is built in Japan by japanese workers, you can bet your ass it will be bulletproof and if assembled here as well. There's a reason why Lexus was only built in Japan for a long time. But if not, there's your weak link. Since they didn't farm out their engine to BMW like they did to the new Supra, I am 100% certain it will last far longer than any of the big 3 and way better resale value too.
You mean the Detroit little 3.
What’s your opinion on Toyota’s oil change interval being 10k miles for this engine?
Mechanic who works on these TTv6 from the Lexus mentioned in earlier vids that they’re not reliable. Let’s see who’s actually right.
The REAL important issue is whether or not the dash will hold up to UV for 100 years. (I can't believe the guy would bring up something so off topic and then spend that much time on it.)
@@ConsoleCombat In the US, unless the vehicle is 8500gvw or greater (3/4 ton trucks and up) diesels are virtually against the law (not actually against the law, but virtually --- thank VW's emissions cheating for at least some of that).
@@glenatgoogle4393 so what’s the VW emissions story?
Im curious to see how long this truck lasts towing a trailer or going over mountain passes, with heavy turbo use! 🤔
Toyota has been testing heavily loaded 2022 Tundras this summer high in the Colorado Rockies: kzhead.info/sun/dp1vhJavkIVuqa8/bejne.html
If it dont last, Toyota wouldn't release it!
@@4af This summer?
Is the v6 the same engine as in the Tacoma just with Turbos??
11 years I lived in Japan, my 91 Forerunner was a Turbo, so was my Skyline, and my Jimmy (Suzuki Samurai). Turbos are the BEST
The 2JZ GTE is a testament that turbocharged engines can be just as reliable as a naturally aspirated engine. Even at 1000 hp with the correct aftermarket parts, bolt torque, and tuning they will run forever. The 2JZ is one of my favorite turbocharged engines so are the Volvo red block i4 turbos, turbo i5s, and turbo i6s. As well as the Mitsubishi Mivec 2.0 turbo 4s and 3.0 twin turbo V6s.
2JZ GTE is a legendary engine, but it is also a heavy bulk piece of cast iron. Not the case with the all-aluminium Toyota twin-turbo V6.
@@artemzhirkov7565 The 1MZ-FE and 1UZ-FE are also all aluminum engines. The engine in the million-mile tundra is all aluminum as well.
@@davidperry4013 Yes but the 1MZ-FE and 1UZ-FE are also both natural aspirated.
@@davidperry4013 Yes but the 1MZ-FE and 1UZ-FE are also both natural aspirated.
Good video. We’re still waiting on SOMETHING! Toyota hasn’t updated us a while now. What’s the hold up??
There's still 2 photos left to release on the Toyota website.
@@Libertarian_Neighbor that’s not a fact. Toyota hasn’t said that officially. Those were just numbers on a phone. Nothing officially has been started.
@@c-zen890 yea and those two photos been posted for a while now, Toyota needs to step it up.
David rules 👍🙏
This will not work for low end power will it. ?
Your speech was very compelling, but I am not so easily persuaded unless you can explain what sort of improvements have been made in turbo systems that would make them last longer. I have seen 1000+ hp engines on NRE channel with glowing exhaust hold up for several minutes on the Dino, but you haven’t explained what Toyota has done to manage heat control which is what kills these engines and their components.
Semi trucks use turbos and run a million miles easily
@@TheRamGuy they’re also diesels.
@@TheRamGuy I think you mean million miles and yes the engines if not equipped with emissions equipment will do about 1.2million miles before needing a block rebuild. These are are not your power stroke v8 engines. They are 13-18 liters in-line 6 engines that only make 375 to 600hp unless you have a tuned 18 liter which can make 1000 hp. They are huge and have tons of oil like several gallons and gigantic fans. They are also simpler in design than modern engines except the for the def systems. That complexity reduces the life of these engines to about 1/4 of its reliability potential. You will still have to replace turbos on occasion depending on maintenance but you could see 175-200k if you take care of them. Part of the reason these engines last so long is they tend to have highway miles which is optimal for its design. When they are in idle or do off road that changes drastically. Even more so if there are other problems.
I understood that the "100 year equivalent of UV on the dash plastic" answered all questions. (As you caught, he offered near zero information about the turbo engine/system. Yes, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.)
@Josey Wales. You can’t compare a turbo diesel, with a gasoline engine that is turbo equipped. The diesels run at much lower rpms and the diesel fuel has a much higher compression ratio flash point that it has a much better thermal efficiency. (burns much cooler). Also all highway miles at steadier speeds.
I'd like to point out that my 1997 T100 has none of the exciting features of a modern truck. All this poor relation can claim is 442k miles, no leaks or problems with the original 3.4 engine, and 26mpg combined. Boy, do I ever need a new truck that costs the moon.
26mpg combined? You must drive like a 90 year old grandma
@@soapmaker2263 I drive like I want another 442k.
@@wtsane5449 I didn’t even know that kind of mpg was possible in a T100. I’ve got an FJ40 still going with the original 2F. No matter how I drive it, it gets 10-12 mpg.
@@soapmaker2263 I have a couple of unnatural advantages. I live in Florida (flat, sea level), and I have a camper shell, which adds about 1mpg.
I've got a 1997 T100 4WD. NEVER have I seen 26mpg. Not even on the highway.
Ok I feel a lot better my truck is suppose to be here the week of the 20th of December, and the only worry I had was a new truck first year but its a Toyota so I shouldn't worry, thanks for the great video.
Didn’t the Lexus turbo engines have issues like the NX 2.0t that was also used in the IS? I think it lowered Lexus reliability a lot?
Do you still feel the same after a year or so and countless trucks not making it to 20,000 miles without engine problems
Having owned turbo engines several times, my experience has me saying BS to a turbo charged engine being as reliable. This is going in a truck, not a sedan. I will never own another turbo charged engine in a truck again.
I too have owned a ton of turbo engines. Turbo 4cyls, twin and single turbo in-line 6s, twin turbo v6s, and twin turbo v8s. There are plenty of unreliable turbocharged engines out there. However I can’t think of a single engine that’s unreliable simply because it’s turbocharged. Usually it’s one of two things, proper maintenance not performed, or a design flaw in the engine itself. Some of the MOST reliable engines ever produced are turbocharged (diesels).
I’ve owned several turbo engine cars and trucks. I’ve had ZERO turbo related issues even after 100K miles.
@@MrBigBoy4Life you have been fortunate. 🙂
Could you share what brand truck you had w/ a turbo? Always like to hear good or bad about specific engines etc?
@@scottroseberry7322 I was unfortunate enough to have the F350 with the 6.0, and I also had an Eco Boost (3.5). The 6.0 was junk, which everyone came to realize, and the EB was a decent commuter, but had severe overheating issues. It was also too under powered to use as an actual truck. I drive an Econoline van for work with the twin turbos. Huge pile of junk. I have also owned two Duramax diesels, which I had far fewer problems with, but cost a small fortune to maintain.
Does it have ceramic bearings...
Can you do an in depth video of the GR86?