This Commodore 1541 hides a terrible secret.

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Ticking time bombs: 1541 floppy disk drives with Newtronics mechanisms. How to identify them and test for a failed read/write head!
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  • Short? Wait where? O.L is open. I do wonder what repair methods we may be able to devise nowadays. You can SLA print precision parts and we can build precision coil winding machines at home. I do have a drive somewhere in a box stored under low humidity that may potentially be affected, i should check it out.

    @SianaGearz@SianaGearz Жыл бұрын
    • Yeah, OL is indicating open line, not shorted one.

      @slobodanjovanovic8166@slobodanjovanovic8166 Жыл бұрын
    • Thanks for pointing that out! I carelessly saw a 0 instead of O and stopped there. My bad. Clearly I need to be more observant. That's twice in two videos where I've missed obviously things that were right in front of me. I disassembled the drive and checked continuity of pin1 from the connector all the way to the PCB on the head just to ensure it was not a wire break and that tested out fine, so the break is somewhere inside the potting/coil. That would be nice. I don't think I'm up to the task, but I'd love it if someone built a jig to re-wind a 1084 deflection yoke. At least that's big and bulky. The r/w head coil is so tiny and I'm all thumbs when it comes to delicate work.

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
    • @@retrobitstv Maybe there's a market for someone to make a run of new compatible heads for the Newtronics 1541? - and have them stock them at Console5 or similar.

      @djmips@djmips Жыл бұрын
    • O.L. = "Open Loop"... a throw back to Telco. More specifically the "battery" circuit between the central office and your home (wired) phone.

      @ovalwingnut@ovalwingnut Жыл бұрын
    • hi, great informative video. I thought it would take someone to start producing new cartridges free of this insidious defect. I have a classic 1541 with the lever (and therefore it could fail, but it still works well) I have a 1541 II with this cartridge too and finally a 1541 II with a good cartridge, but whose mechanics make a deadly noise (it is the model with recessed lever and with the disc ejection mechanism when the lever opens)

      @MD_il_microcanale@MD_il_microcanale Жыл бұрын
  • I worked for Mitsubishi electronics from 84 to 90, 8", 5.25" and 3.5" floppy drives, I was the resident expert at perfect radial and azimuth alignment that had tight screws, as shipping in trucks are bumpy and misaligns heads with not so tight screws. The good ol Brikon FDD tester/exerciser, I knew that equipment like the back of my hand. Good ol memories.

    @Ozzy3333333@Ozzy3333333 Жыл бұрын
  • it is not shorted but open. They can be "repared" if one of the two coils is working you can bridge the other coil with a resistor. It will be slower, but will work.

    @vliegerik@vliegerik Жыл бұрын
    • Hey thank you is there any tutorial or forum post about that? Just in case?

      @ricardocruz1168@ricardocruz1168 Жыл бұрын
    • that "reparation" gives as a result of unreliable reading, I mean a lot of reading errors, doesn't work well, don't waste your time doing that stupidity...

      @claudioquintanilla1471@claudioquintanilla1471 Жыл бұрын
    • Bypassing one of the coils with a resistor is an absolutely stupid idea. Who the heck told you that would ever work?

      @MrRobarino@MrRobarino Жыл бұрын
  • My 1541-II drives with Chinon mechanisms are still going strong 30 years later. I was aware of the Newtronics issues, but did not know that the Mark IIs had a direct correlation between the external case design and the internal mechanism. That is a brilliant tip for buyers! -- JC

    @BasicBitesCA@BasicBitesCA Жыл бұрын
    • is not true what he says in the video, typical youtube guy who has no clue... The one with the flush case can have a D500 or JPN DS-50F, the one with the indent (recession) has a F501M. And there is another version (no recession at all, 1571 style) where I only know one picture on the internet, but never saw that version ever again. The DS50F has in my opinion no difference from the case/looks, but when you have one its easy to find out: The lever on the DS50F is very light any you only have a small click on the down position and it springu up very freely and without much resistence. The D500 has a hard CLICK when you close it and a bit more tension or resistence. If you have those two, its very obvious if you can compare them directly.

      @stefanegger@stefanegger Жыл бұрын
    • I also have one of these that sat for 20 years. Cleaned up. Works like a charm. Little noisey due to oxidation.. but Works perfectly:)

      @donaldblakley6796@donaldblakley6796 Жыл бұрын
  • Wow! I didn't realize that someone actually read my blog posts from 2017! btw. I still didn't say the last word on this topic and want to sort this case out. I am slowly gathering knowledge ... like really slowly as I am kinda overwhelmed by other projects lol. As usual, this was an EXCELLENT VIDEO!

    @retrohaxblog@retrohaxblog Жыл бұрын
    • Haha I've come across your post multiple times over the years! Thanks for sharing what you discovered. I'm sure the world would be very interested if there were a workable solution to the problem some day so please keep us posted of any new developments! I know the feeling about being overwhelmed by projects :)

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
    • @@retrobitstv Shooting in the dark, but since the moisture seems to cause the issue, wouldn't drying the head completely, in a desert-like conditioning, fix it?

      @UltimatePerfection@UltimatePerfection Жыл бұрын
    • @@UltimatePerfection Disclaimer: I haven't extracted the coil from my bad drive or examined it under a microscope. That said, I believe the issues to be a result of oxidation, not the presence of moisture itself. Over time, oxidation of the delicate wires either causes a short where there shouldn't be, or in my case, a complete break in one or more of the coils. It one were able to extract the coil from the potting, find the break or short with a microscope, and repair the damage, it could conceivably be fixed, but I have neither to tools nor the skill to work with something that small myself and I am not aware of anyone who has successfully repaired one yet and shared info about it :(

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
    • Come on! Your posts are gold. I recall the internal SD2IEC one, which encouraged me to start making some :)

      @rapiqui@rapiqui Жыл бұрын
    • @@rapiqui Thank you for warm words sir ;)

      @retrohaxblog@retrohaxblog Жыл бұрын
  • There is an "open" on pin 1 of the bad drive, not a "short". The DMM reads infinite ohms on the pin 1 measurements. Pin 1 = OPEN.

    @electronicengineer@electronicengineer Жыл бұрын
    • Exactly! The day I would get a shorted open circuit I would freak out ha ha

      @Pulverrostmannen@Pulverrostmannen Жыл бұрын
    • Yup. Noticed that right away. He just miss spoke.

      @Roboto129@Roboto129 Жыл бұрын
  • Wow, the prices went up insane! In Germany you can buy 1541 drives for 30-50 Bucks in working condition.

    @AS-ly3jp@AS-ly3jp Жыл бұрын
  • I never worked with Commodere drives but back in the days I repaired lots of FDDs. You can use any head coil from drive with similar geometry. The hardest part is to glue it properly. After you'll need a special disk where zeros are written on track 0 and 1 on other track according to your geometry. Then you have to position head on each track with low level commands and control the alignment with oscilloscope connected to head preamp.

    @fixitalex@fixitalex Жыл бұрын
    • Azimuth needs to be set as well before you glue it. It needs to be inside of about 1/5th of a degree. Is that reasonably achievable or testable prior to gluing? I've never tried to do this.

      @robertmiles9942@robertmiles99428 ай бұрын
  • I had the 1541-C model I believe. I also bought the C-64-C with cash from my part time job. Somewhere around $400 I think. I remember playing a ton of Ultima IV.

    @captainkanji1@captainkanji1 Жыл бұрын
  • Never heard about the bad drive head issue before. Thank you for making the video.

    @dougjohnson4266@dougjohnson4266 Жыл бұрын
  • I literally just purchased a 1541 MKII 2 days ago, thankfully the condition of the drive was stated and it was fully working, serviced and head aligned and for 67.00UK ie a really good price. But when I heard you say that they can just go with fault my heart sank, BUT when I looked at the drive it had the recessed lever, cue a big smile. I was lucky, I got a proper retro commodore seller and the product was fully documented before sale. As you say, the little games that some sellers use, ie the powers on or untested is just annoying and usually deliberate, trying to get money for their old dead crap......Thanks Matt, great short video..

    @Mclaneinc@Mclaneinc Жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the great tips! Been thinking of picking up a 1541, since I always like to have a drive available to read physical media "just in case" and/or to be able to make physical media for friends/people in need. I knew there were some "bad" 1541s out there, but didn't really know the details. Until now. :)

    @Otakunopodcast@Otakunopodcast Жыл бұрын
  • This is great info! Thanks for sharing. I'm an OG 64 guy who only had the older Alps mechanisms... I did have my days of fighting alignment issues, and had to teach myself how to re-align them. Now I know that if I ever do want to recreate my original setup I should beware the caveats with the later models even more. Thanks again.

    @3vi1J@3vi1J Жыл бұрын
  • So... what about those crazy people that just want the 1541 case? I'll give you $20 for your broken drive! 😁

    @CubicleNate@CubicleNate Жыл бұрын
    • Putting a greaseweazel and shugart drive in it to connect to pc?

      @Ho1yhe11@Ho1yhe11 Жыл бұрын
    • Some other options: stick a pi1541 inside the case or build an automated floppy disk cleaner that walks the carriage assembly while applying isopropyl alcohol to a microfiber cloth where the r/w head used to be!

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
  • Never had a problem with my 1541. Also purchased broken 1541's and repaired them myself. Great drive...

    @neo-YoutubeStoleMyHandle@neo-YoutubeStoleMyHandle2 ай бұрын
  • We could afford a C64 in the 80's but never a diskette drive. Some of my friends had one but I kept using tapes till the end. It felt like being a secondary citizen of the C64 universe. Even today when I see a 1541 I feel the same desire to finally have one.

    @lajosszel@lajosszel Жыл бұрын
  • THANK YOU! Great information. I did not know this tip. As soon as you mentioned the recessed lever, I hit pause, turned my head to look at my 1541-II sitting to my left and cheered when I saw that my drive lever was not flush!

    @boardsort@boardsort Жыл бұрын
  • That's so rubbish! Newtronics didn't realise that just a few decades after build there'd be a moisture leak? We should start a class action law suit.

    @WinrichNaujoks@WinrichNaujoks Жыл бұрын
  • The drive head is measuring open, not short.

    @krnlg@krnlg Жыл бұрын
    • You are right, I totally saw the O and read it as a 0 and stopped there. I need to pay more attention, that's twice in two videos I've missed something obvious. That said, I did disassemble the drive and checked continuity of pin1 from the connector all the way to the PCB on the head just to ensure it was not a wire break and that tested out fine, so the break is somewhere inside the potting/coil.

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the informative video! I recall wishing my original 1541 had the lever operated mechanism. I thought the push down ALPS 1541 drive lever was weird and clunky. Some friends had the Newtronics version and they felt a lot nicer to use... but here we are 40 years later and my 1541 is still going strong! Both of my 1541-II drives are Chinon based and work perfectly!

    @michaelcarey@michaelcarey Жыл бұрын
    • Awesome, glad your drives are still all working! I've only had the one fail so far myself, but I'm going to have to keep an eye open for a Chinon 1541-II I think :)

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
  • @4:20 the Pin 1 is not short - your multimeter shows +inf resistance, which is OPEN circuit. The pin 1 is therefore rotten, eroded, open, disconnected, etc..

    @cameramaker@cameramaker Жыл бұрын
    • You are correct; thanks for pointing that out! I disassembled the drive and checked continuity of pin1 from the connector all the way to the PCB on the head just to ensure it was not a wire break and that tested out fine, so the break is somewhere inside the potting/coil.

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
  • Good video. I remember going through two 1541-2 drives in the late eighties before I got fed up and bought a third party, FSD-2 drive. These things are built like a tank and never seem to wear out or go out of alignment and I've only ever came across a couple games that had issues with it. It's still the drive I prefer today. Though I actually have two of the original pull down tab drives in my collection that I got from a yard sale in the mid 90's that still work but they do get hot. I don't really use them much unless I need an extra drive to copy disks with.

    @kevinroberts1888@kevinroberts1888 Жыл бұрын
  • I have an Alps 1541 that marginally works, except the motor sounds like a dying cow... though the 1541-II (with non-recessed lever) I've had since childhood has been working fine, shockingly enough. Thanks to this excellent info I'll have to go check my other drives and see where they stand. I was hoping by now someone could make replacement heads (somehow) so dead drives could be put back into service.

    @LeftoverBeefcake@LeftoverBeefcake Жыл бұрын
  • When I bought my first used C64 (a few years ago) I went mad trying to troubleshoot the 1541 it came with, thinking that there was some sort of logic-board fault. It took a good month of messing with it to realize that it was an unfixable head problem... I went out and bought another one.

    @thecorruptedbit5585@thecorruptedbit5585 Жыл бұрын
  • Glad I have an Alps model! Working great after some chip replacements.

    @ilovemyhonda250ex@ilovemyhonda250ex Жыл бұрын
  • Seems like yesterday when I was lusting after these drives for my C16 in the 80's. Never was able to get one. This brings amazing memories, still feels like living in sci-fi paradise. So amazing!

    @motherofallemails@motherofallemails Жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for all the research - and sharing this, Matt! Best explanation I've seen yet. :) Mine from '84 Newtronics 1541 is currently working great, but now I am forewarned that I should probably backup all those disks to another medium.

    @DrDavesDiversions@DrDavesDiversions Жыл бұрын
    • YW! I think I am going to keep an eye open for a Chinon 1541-II just to have something for the long haul. Of course my 1571s are all fine so far so there's that option too :)

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
    • @@retrobitstv well, after this video, prices for those NOT Newtronics will go spice up! I had lot of ALPS and Chinon, just one Nwtx, as I knew the flaw.

      @mark12358@mark12358 Жыл бұрын
  • This was a very well done video. Thank you for making it.

    @TechGorilla1987@TechGorilla1987 Жыл бұрын
  • I had a 1541 with the Alps mechanism, and at one point I had to take the drive in for alignment and the repairman did the extra step of adding a pin so that it would not lose alignment and that drive worked perfectly after that. The thing still ran hot however.

    @Renville80@Renville803 ай бұрын
  • There is third party still making their version of the 1541. Which when it was reviewed got marks high marks for working with the C64 and not eating your floppy.

    @lawrencehubbard2985@lawrencehubbard2985 Жыл бұрын
  • An interesting presentation, concise and to the point, packed with lots of useful information. Well done! (We'll forgive ya for confusing an air gap with a short. Happens all the time.)

    @horusfalcon@horusfalcon Жыл бұрын
  • thanks for video. this is fantastic as always! without knowing this problem I bought 2 untested 1541 drives. I knew it was not working for sure before I bought it. both of them are powered on with LED lit but that's all. luckily I fixed one of them by replacing IC but the other one never had any improvement even if I did same trouble shooting like other working one. Now I understand that It was not about IC at all... oh well I was lucky to have at least 1 working one :)

    @overdriver99@overdriver99 Жыл бұрын
  • Some 23 years ago a friend and I experimented with two 1541's with remarkably different circuit boards, and slightly different mechanisms, with the head and track motor wires coming from different spots but able to reach. We managed to get the mechanism from one (not sure which) to work fully with the other boards, wires carefully routed to avoid snagging. I think both had the "flap" on the front though, so these likely were two revisions of MK1. One appeared completely dead towards the C64, the other had some mechanical issue... it is likely that both were repairable as is, but we managed to Frankenstein one working drive from two non-working ones and we were happy with the result then.

    @jussikuusela7345@jussikuusela73454 ай бұрын
    • EDIT: 23 years ago (typo).

      @jussikuusela7345@jussikuusela73453 ай бұрын
  • Perfect vid! So, so helpful to us retro-nuts!

    @parrottm76262@parrottm76262 Жыл бұрын
  • I actually learned this from Ray Carlsen when he was helping me troubleshoot a faulty 1541 I got. I got a Alps drive mechanism from Germany for cheap listed as working and swapped them out. The DOS ROM was also bad on that drive, but I got that working

    @robertsissco2439@robertsissco24399 ай бұрын
  • Thanks a lot for the great information.

    @yucelbilik@yucelbilik Жыл бұрын
  • One of the most useful videos on the internet!

    @JustinEmlay@JustinEmlay Жыл бұрын
  • You may be able to bake in oven at 200F for 12h to drive out moisture of epoxy. Worked for a chainsaw coil of mine.

    @kippie80@kippie80 Жыл бұрын
  • Great video. I've got my equipment in the attic. I'm hoping all of it still works, but I'll likely have it checked out by a repair guy, before hooking it up. I'm especially hoping all of my floppies are still readable. I've already got a XUM1541 adapter lying around. The guy I bought it from, was able to read all of his!

    @JayBlackthorne@JayBlackthorne Жыл бұрын
  • I had one around 2005-2010 and it still worked, even in a humid climate. Sold it off still working around 2012.

    @cubey@cubey Жыл бұрын
  • Thank you , really interesting!

    @sergiogabbiani1614@sergiogabbiani1614 Жыл бұрын
  • Can't wait for "this 1976 vintage 8 track tape player will DESTROY your 8 track tapes!!!"

    @andrewlankford9634@andrewlankford9634 Жыл бұрын
  • I had the early version, complete with four No 2 pencils in the bottom screw holes to elevate it for ventilation. I never had a problem with it, or the single hole punch I used to turn my floppy disks from one-sided to two-sided. I remember when the 1541-2's came out, but mine still worked so I never got one. I did have the 1571(?), as I bought it when I got my C128.

    @k.b.tidwell@k.b.tidwell Жыл бұрын
  • OL means overload. It is telling you that the resistance value exceeds the range of the meter. A short circuit is one with a lower than normal resistance. This head has a very high resistance (considered open circuit). There is no short in the head. The corrosion has eaten the enameled wire away

    @tenmillionvolts@tenmillionvolts Жыл бұрын
  • I had an Enhancer 2000 floppy drive back in the '80s, which was quieter and sleeker. It was probably faster too. I never had any compatibility problems with it.

    @jasongomez5344@jasongomez53444 ай бұрын
  • Just checked both of my old 1541-II's and both are the newer ones with the recessed front case! Woot!

    @tjlazer71@tjlazer71 Жыл бұрын
  • I have been looking for this for so long, but i didn’t know the name. The reason for my search is because this is what my grandfather had and he used it to teach me how to use a computer. I miss him but seeing this makes my heart feel warm. Thank you

    @Kane69022@Kane69022 Жыл бұрын
    • In 1983 I bought one with money I made over the summer. I was 13, and my C64 was $288 at Kmart. I connected it to an old black and white TV my dad had, but I couldn't afford the 1541 at that time. Had to make more money! But later I was able to buy my own 13" color TV for the monitor and the drive. I had a lot of fun playing games on that machine. I got married in 1990, and I remember one time using it to play a lot of music. The C64 had one of the very best music chips in it of all home computers back then. My wife and I moved to where we live now shortly after that, and the tragedy is that the Commodore disappeared at some point there. I have no idea what happened to it, and I miss it to this day. Now that I have a 2 year old grandson I wish I had it so that I could do what your grandfather did. He loved you very much to want to show you those things because he knew it would help you...and he knew it is fun! You always try to be the man in your family's lives that your grandfather was in yours. I had a grandfather like yours and that how I try to live. Have a great life, Benjamin!

      @k.b.tidwell@k.b.tidwell Жыл бұрын
  • The 1571 on the 128D never failed me.

    @scality4309@scality4309 Жыл бұрын
  • Thant you too to avoid us more headaches 💚

    @siriokds@siriokds Жыл бұрын
  • I've just discovered an O.L. between pin 5 and everything else on my newly acquired newtronics 1541. Boo. Thanks for this great video. Wish I had watched this earlier.

    @peyr0l@peyr0l8 ай бұрын
  • I had two original 1541s. Luckily, they always worked like a charm. And I gave them quite a workout in the eighties

    @peterlejon5458@peterlejon5458 Жыл бұрын
  • Good to know, I didn't know the later 1541's were prone to this kind of failure. I got some of my dad's old C64 stuff (fortunately my mom had kept it around) including multiple systems, some old disks, and one older-model 1541 drive... Generally I don't feel I need another 1541 in my life but I have entertained the possibility, especially for the more compact 1541-II version. Wouldn't have been super fun to get another drive that's big and slow and heavy but also irreparably failed.

    @tetsujin_144@tetsujin_144 Жыл бұрын
    • Believe it or not, I've never owned an old style 1541. My first Commodore was a 64C with a 1541-II, so when I got into retro of course I sought out the things I used to have. I've not really had any desire to own an original 1541, but if a nice Alps one comes along for the right price I'd still consider it.

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
  • I didn't even know about this. Thanks!

    @commodoresixfour7478@commodoresixfour7478 Жыл бұрын
  • Excellent video. I had the original tab 1541 and never had a problem back when. I emulate now. At some point I’d like to require my old setup. All I’d care about is cosmetics. Wouldn’t care if it functioned just for display. We are entering a time where these will start to consistently fail so anything that says powers on not tested and they can’t even jury rig it to test on a new TV is telling you it’s broken. And like you say even if it works at this instant during shipping something could happen.

    @b.o.4492@b.o.44927 ай бұрын
  • very useful!

    @Voyager_2@Voyager_2 Жыл бұрын
  • its great seeing this video about commodore drives I had 1581 hard drive before,

    @Larry198s@Larry198s Жыл бұрын
  • I still have 1541-II for my Commodore 64C, and it still works. I even filmed a video of a gameplay ROAD RUNNER on a disk for KZhead. 😺👍🕹️

    @ArttuTheCat@ArttuTheCat Жыл бұрын
  • Another terrible secret (in old 1541) is the power filter integrated into the C14 socket. Due to possible sparking and "magic" mass, it may cause a short circuit, lack of electricity, damage to electronics and even fire.

    @ArcadeFan77@ArcadeFan7710 күн бұрын
  • My OG 1541 lasted for six years of near constant use. My first MK2 barely lasted a year conveniently out of warranty. Good to see everyone here keeping the old doorstops alive.

    @MaskHysteria@MaskHysteria Жыл бұрын
  • 7:26 - Yeah "Powers on" usually just means the power LED works. Some sellers will use even more deceptive (or outright false) language like "boots" or "starts up" - indicating that maybe a cooling fan or hard drive might be spinning as well. And "worked last time I tried it" of course, is totally meaningless.

    @tetsujin_144@tetsujin_144 Жыл бұрын
  • i have a bunch of those drive all they are untested but i will test them all because you show us now how to do it ! thx for this video !

    @Frank-bz2ub@Frank-bz2ub Жыл бұрын
  • I just checked my 1541-II and it's got the recessed lever. I also have the "revised" OG 1541. Both still work, I guess I'm lucky.

    @v12alpine@v12alpine Жыл бұрын
  • Ah memories of the 80s thanks for posting. Way back when I got my Commodore 64 instead of the 1541, I got the Indus GT floppy drive loved it and I still kept it all these years. Yeah I'm hoarder.

    @mojamb0@mojamb0 Жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the video. I just checked my 1541-II now. Sadly, it's a newtronics. The handle is not recessed into the plastic. I got it for free quite a few years ago, so not a loss. And when I tried it a few years ago it was working. Haven't tested it since. I use my Turbo Chameleon 64 V2s for my 1541 needs. Too much hassle to deal with real floppies and a clunky floppy drive that needs it's own PSU.

    @larsenmats@larsenmats Жыл бұрын
    • Hopefully it still works and will continue to do so, like my primary 1541-II. I prefer to use a modern solution (1541UII+ or SD2IEC) for day-to-day usage but it's nice to have a working floppy drive for the occasions you want to use it. The "bad" 1541-II came with the recent auction lot so it's not a big loss since I didn't really pay much of anything for it.

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
  • I really wanted one of these. We had the cassette tape drive but my friend had the floppy drive and you could load a game of Spy Vs. Spy in mere minutes!

    @guymontag2948@guymontag2948 Жыл бұрын
  • I have to say, of all my many C64 drives, the 1541 II is my favorite and that includes a 1571 and 1581.

    @labnine3362@labnine3362 Жыл бұрын
  • I read about failing Mitsumi drives years ago which made me look for alternatives. However both my Mitsumi 1541C still work fine to this day (both came "untested" from ebay). All of my 1541 drives are modded 220V->240V. I had two other 1541 giving me read errors because of defective bridge rectifiers on 5V, and a 1541-II giving me read errors because the cap in the potted PSU had dried up. Just because your Mitsumi 1541 starts giving you read errors, it doesn't have to have a broken head. And I'd still buy them untested if the offer is good.

    @Shmbler@Shmbler Жыл бұрын
    • And a 1541C with the opened jumper is so nicely silent :). I modded two of my drives by replacing the transformers according to the video by Adrian Black. So no overheating there anymore. And the drives became so light xD Oh and of course, luckily, no read errors here (all incl. 2x 1541, 1x 1541C, 2x 1541-II)

      @katho8472@katho8472 Жыл бұрын
    • @@katho8472 My C models both have a board that doesn't support the track 0 sensor, but one drive has it actually fitted. I was thinking of modding the boards to support the sensor to reduce the risk of damage. I like the weight of the drive and won't mod the transformer out. The drives look and feel, the sound and its weight bring back my childhood memories like it was yesterday ;-)

      @Shmbler@Shmbler Жыл бұрын
    • @@Shmbler Well I mainly modded mine to not fry the chips ;)

      @katho8472@katho8472 Жыл бұрын
  • Good video!!

    @mondocommodore@mondocommodore Жыл бұрын
  • Fascinating. I didn't know about this. I have a couple drives, they have been laying around for literally decades... I'm afraid to see if they still work! LOL

    @NeilRoy@NeilRoy Жыл бұрын
  • If the problem is moisture, my first thought would be to try to find someone with a good vacuum pump and let the head sit in a vacuum for some time. Unless, of course, the problem is that something has corroded away. Another idea: AFAIK there are nutjobs who make audiophile phono cartridges, that hand-wire coils with impossibly thin wires for them. Would it be possible to call any of them into service to make new coils for the head?🙂

    @rasmuswi@rasmuswi Жыл бұрын
  • I used to cut pencils off and push 4 of them into the screw holes on the bottom to raise the whole drive up by 3 to 4 inches so more air could get around them. I also made a cylinder with a piece of paper and set it on top of the vent in the back to make a chimney.

    @Halloween111@Halloween111 Жыл бұрын
  • Man I miss my c64. What a great system

    @brianharley6452@brianharley6452 Жыл бұрын
  • Oh noes....ignorance is bliss. I have been running 4 of these for years and didn't know this. A small realignment here and there, but now that I know this, watch em all bite the dust. Thanks a lot.

    @toxicmule@toxicmule23 күн бұрын
    • Sorry about that. May the odds be ever in your favor!

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv22 күн бұрын
  • Nice video. I have a lot of drives, but none has failed like that. Still, I was not aware about this problem

    @tommyovesen@tommyovesen Жыл бұрын
  • Such drives can be repaired! It needs another defective drive (the heads still working) to switch over the head assembly. It may be difficult to do this and you have to adjust the drive before using, but the drive is working after the repair. In my workplace (a HP Museum), I have a lot of drives to deal with. The most difficult repair was on a HP Vectra QS/20 with two 5,25" drives. One was defective, the other one works fine. The difficulty was to match up the drive, so data written on drive A was reading on drive B (the defective one) and the other way too.

    @CathySiegert@CathySiegert Жыл бұрын
  • Awesome video, although now I feel gutted as my 1541-II has the Newtronics mechanism inside. Do you know if the 1571 also used the Newtronics?

    @xlncaustralia3261@xlncaustralia3261 Жыл бұрын
    • I don't think the 1571 has the Same mech, because it's a Double sided Drive. But I might be wrong on this.

      @nilswegner2881@nilswegner2881 Жыл бұрын
  • I got tired of fixing my drives so some years ago I shelved my 9x 1541 drives (3 have Newtronics mechs but are working) and mostly just use an Ultimate1541-II cart but if I want to use a real floppy I use one of my 4x 1581 drives. 6 years ago I reversed the 1581 drive PCB and made an exact 1:1 reproduction (exact to within 0.1mm in every aspect) so now I just use that one drive for everything.

    @g4z-kb7ct@g4z-kb7ct3 ай бұрын
  • It looked like the first measurement indicated an open not a short. A short would read 0.00 not OL. If it is an open it could very well be a broken wire at from constant flexing back and fort. I would make sure that it is not the case before declaring it beyond repair.

    @steveschein2619@steveschein2619 Жыл бұрын
  • Well that's new to me! I know that some production numbers had some cooling issues but in fact is was one of the better disk drives in those days. 😄I never encountered problems at least, not more than a head cleaning every now and then.

    @resonatic@resonaticАй бұрын
  • That's one more reason to go for a 1571 instead. If the drive mechanism ever breaks, you can rip one out of a random PC and be on your way. Or even convert it into a poor man's 1581 if you want.

    @Stoney3K@Stoney3K Жыл бұрын
  • Just took a look at my two 1541-IIs. Turns out one of them is a Chinon and the other is a Newtronics. I haven’t really seen other than Alps model 1541s here. Even the C models have Alps mechs, although in those, I’ve seen the Newtronics mechs.

    @terosaarela4555@terosaarela4555 Жыл бұрын
  • Can't thank you enough for this video.

    @joecincotta5805@joecincotta5805 Жыл бұрын
  • I got the lever down version of the 1541 back in '86 and used it until '95. Never had any issues with it at all. Living in California might have helped with the moisture issue

    @JDiegar@JDiegar Жыл бұрын
  • I'm trying to fix a 1541 right now. I have a bad voltage regulator. But I'm going to check the drive with my multimeter so I don't waste anymore time. Thanks.

    @patkelley8293@patkelley8293 Жыл бұрын
  • I had to replace one of my Newtronics mechanisms last year due to this issue! Luckily I found a decent Alps mechanism to replace it with.

    @MatroxMillennium@MatroxMillennium Жыл бұрын
  • Had this one and never had problems.

    @NZotyoka81@NZotyoka812 ай бұрын
  • I repaired the head on my C128 D. It wasn't easy, but I did it. The wire is very delicate and it took me 2 weeks to do.

    @freddaniali@freddaniali Жыл бұрын
  • Thank you for your video! :-)

    @OnMeter@OnMeter Жыл бұрын
  • i have a 3.5 inch pc drive that has an open section on one of the heads so a write off 😢i'm wondering if a fault in the write amplifier/driver blew the coil open, maybe similar issue with these????

    @andygozzo72@andygozzo72 Жыл бұрын
  • Thanks for the important PSA!

    @fffUUUUUU@fffUUUUUU Жыл бұрын
  • That’s nuts!

    @tenminutetokyo2643@tenminutetokyo2643 Жыл бұрын
  • ive got the older 1541 with the pull down mechanism... it makes knocking sounds all the time.. is that normal? other than that it seems to work pretty good. i have trouble copying disks sometimes with cbmcommand but i think that may have something to do with the disks im using or how i format them. One other very weird thing. i have to have the cover on my 1541 un sccrewed so i can lift it up and feed certain floppies into the bay. Some slide in normall, others get caught up on something and for the life of me i cant find out what it is?!

    @trydowave@trydowave Жыл бұрын
  • My 1541 workin to this day. Disk drive from first photo but with diffrent close mechanism beige colour. Two 1541-II units of My friend was break down within a short period of use.

    @RobertPLWitek@RobertPLWitek Жыл бұрын
  • I don't miss the constant realignments. I invested in an Indus GT drive, and was a wonderful upgrade

    @MasterIntubator@MasterIntubator Жыл бұрын
  • Excellent video. My Alps just started doing this after traveling 20,000 miles around the world on planes and ships for 30 years thank to the military. Have to says that's pretty good handling resistance for never being packaged properly by movers. May I ask where you buy parts and chips like the 6502? mouser? digikey? alibaba?

    @DoubleTopHoneyCo@DoubleTopHoneyCo Жыл бұрын
    • eBay :) scavenging other "for sure dead" drives :)

      @retrohaxblog@retrohaxblog Жыл бұрын
    • Nice, that's surprisingly robust! Some chips are still available NOS from vendors like www.retroleum.co.uk/c64-chips and retro8bitshop.com/product-category/hardware/chips/ other can be pillaged from old broken hardware, and some things like the 6502 are still being manufactured new to this day! www.westerndesigncenter.com/

      @retrobitstv@retrobitstv Жыл бұрын
    • @@retrohaxblog ebay chips are $25-$50 unless it's the white one for $2500, then you don't know if it works. Alibaba sells brand new one's for like .99, the W65C02S6TPG-14 version. Do you know if those function ok?

      @DoubleTopHoneyCo@DoubleTopHoneyCo Жыл бұрын
  • I had the original 1541 drive, with the long board, and it was the drive that everybody wanted because they failed much less often. Further, we had a program that used to run that would align the drive head by yanking the head back and forth as hard as they could. I got that drive along with my C64 and a Gemini dot matrix printer for $1100 bucks (or I should say that my DAD got me that as I was all of 12 or so at the time.)

    @DarkHorseSki@DarkHorseSki Жыл бұрын
  • i have 10 of those in 80's we are commodore re seller---i have still a lot of commodore stuff

    @stephaneauger1036@stephaneauger1036 Жыл бұрын
  • Good to know! I'm an Apple II guy, but have a collection of C64's and had *no* idea about the Newtronics mechanism. Peeked in my closet and I have two older 1541 drives with push in-levers (a brown and beige) and two Newtronic drives (a 1541 with flip-switch and a 1541-II which I just opened, great!). Also have a third-party Indus GT drive, no idea what's in that but I think it's worth keeping, no? I really should look into that power-protection dongle (between the powersupply) for the C64, if they're still available.

    @Apple2gs@Apple2gs Жыл бұрын
    • Keep the indus drive! =)

      @gamedoutgamer@gamedoutgamer Жыл бұрын
  • While watching this, I wondered if it would be possible to find a working single-sided five-and-one-quarter inch drive, remove the control electronics and connect it up as a replacement for a bad drive inside one of these units? And if it was a double-sided drive, maybe it would be possible to set up some extra electronics so you could switch heads manually, effectively giving you two disks on different sides of the same floppy disk. Of course you'd have to be careful never to switch heads in the middle of a write operation since that would likely render both sides of the disk unreadable, but it may even be possible to add enough logic so that the heads couldn't be switched during a read or write operation.

    @melkiorwiseman5234@melkiorwiseman52346 ай бұрын
  • So its moisture getting into the head right? Why not use some hot glue to seal off the head better and stick in some of that air moisture absorber stuff that says "do not eat" in the drives' case(silica) to slow the inevitable down even more?

    @memadmax69@memadmax69 Жыл бұрын
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