How Important is Art History? - DraftsmenS1E15
A listener comments about his frustration with Stan’s opinions about art history. It prompts a longer discussion about the benefits of studying history. Jazza didn’t sponsor this episode, but we unbox his Jazzy Art Box.
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Who are some old artists (pre-1940’s) that have fallen through the cracks of history that deserved to be studied?
Proko how about an episode on the history of the techniques you teach?
Proko Emile Nolde! I am an Art Historian!
Henri Matisse and Paul Cezanne
Marie-Guillemine Benoist
Proko the drawings of Breugel
Marshall playing into his boomer-ness and being so salty with poor Stan is everything I didn't know I needed in my life. You two are adorable. Please never stop.
I love how marshall spills his wisdom over naive stan so gracefully, it's a gentlemen
Whenever I have some problem in my life either it's art related or not I imagine Marshall's voice in my head giving me advice and instantly feel better
Marshall is an incredible value to this podcast, I think history can make you deeply concious about whatever you are studying and that naturally improves whatever you are doing.
An absolute gem, for sure.
I am a teacher at the college, and you are right about students wishing to do the minimum. Students who consider Art subject (any fine art subjects!) secondary to the main "professional" subjects. However, the biggest problem I have is the students that are different, who came already knowing a lot, and who are hungry to learn more and more: I have no way to differentiate them from the first ones by giving them a better grade, or a prize, or recognize them anyhow else. There are "C-", "C", "C+", "B-", "B", and "B+", but only one "A". So the student who did the minimum and did it well deserves and expects and "A", but the student who went way above all that - also an "A"? I feel I am cheating, you know? And by stupid law I am not allowed even to share a meal or socialize with my students, so I cannot take them to Lightbox Expo and have a pizza after with them! Or award the movie tickets, or create any prize or special competition for a rare book or marker set... :) I feel like we set them up for minimum knowledge, making them "Google generation"... Oh, can say too much about it!.. P.S. It was a great experience last weekend, and very nice to talk to you, Proko! Hope to talk again sometimes. :)
Damn o.O i bet your a great teacher!
Grades shouldn't be the way that you give recognition. You can show them you appreciate their efforts by telling them or by talking to them about art. Students know their you're favorites when you talk to them.
Ahhh, yes. My weekly motivation boost.
OH my god, that Hogarth story was amazing! Marshall is so good at telling stories. Also yeah, when I was in art school, I highly disliked Burne Hogarth, because the "Noodle" like drawings, but later in life, I realised how useful his stylisation is to understand certain forms and to help drawing more stylised anatomy. He even says in his books"this is NOT how you should draw, these are illustrations to SHOW forms and their workings"
My problem with art history is mainly how it's implimented in schools. For me, it served as a prerequisite to the actual practice of art projects. We were made to learn about the history of other great artists before we, ourselves, were able to learn the actual practice. For a beginner it can be discouraging and lifeless to have to learn history before you even begin the practice. Then again, I attended a public school and they were middle and high school art classes. In my opinion, the practice should come first. Learn how to draw, at least on a basic level, before learning about the history about artists who outclass you by far. You should at least see if you ENJOY making art before you're expected to know the history of the practice you haven't even dabbled in yet.
Being a jazz drummer and the oldest son of Stan Levey, Bebop drumming legend I feel knowing our roots in any endeavor is crucial. IMO if you don’t know the when and where then you don’t understand where and how the growth happened and the Big Changes that came to change our visions in art, music, painting, drawing etc etc. Dad always said that the new guys coming up always stood on the shoulders of the old Masters.
I would say super.... I majored in Art History.... work as an illustrator and graphic design in apparel.... it made me more visually sophisticated, polished my visual analysis skills, trained me in writing concisely and is great in teaching you how to do research and don’t fall in your own biases....
@DESS DESS lol
@DESS DESS Young people.... Sigh....
@DESS DESS i cant disagree
I agree. Without knowing art history we can't fully understand our place in the present. Plus, it gives a deep sense of context for picture-making for those who are in illustration.
I love learning about the artists of the past! It's a treasure trove of information and inspiration! ❤
Proko in videos "well I choose my supply based on the length of the drawing and overall personal preferences" Vs Proko on the podcast sniffing the paper of the sketchbook being like: "MMHHH SMELLS GOOD"
Wow, taking two art history classes this semester. Just started the video but this is quite serendipitous. Really excited to study the masters of the past personally.
I have a degree in art history and it was absolutely amazing to study. The role of art in history is fascinating, enjoy the classes and please do more :)
Daaang, Marshall is all smiles and pleasantness until he sticks it to Proko with a sweet "Do you know them? . Cause you don't know history." Uuuuuf, I felt that one hahahahhahaa.
It's interesting when you disagree. I can't say it enough but I do LOVE Marshall for all that he knows. I've learned so much, thank you both for these podcasts. I don't like Hogarth's books either and I have them all. I tried to learn anatomy from them but you're right. They only achieved to lose me and discourage me about learning anatomy. They are not made for learning. Besides so many bumps are so confusing. Like Marshall, I also read and re-read a single paragraph like 10 times and understanding ZERO. I think Stan has a bad "thang" about history (like in dead artists). He fights with such a passion about staying with the still living that makes me think he was traumatized by bad history teachers.
Thank you so much for taking the time to do these podcasts! They have helped me tremendously in such an interesting way!
I think the problem with students will be in every generation, when you are you young you want to eat the world and shape it on your own(insert popular new style here), but then after years of practice you really start enjoying works made decades or centurys ago. Its like giving fine wine to young students, they just want beer to get drunk faster, but you will aprecite it more as you get older.
Agree that travel dedicated to art is extremely beneficial. Went to Italy in July for two weeks of art classes in Tuscany and we also had two 3 hour sessions each day. Focused art study away from the rest of the world is amazing! Thanks for these wonderful pod casts which I watch on KZhead!! They make me still feel connected to the art world and there is real dialog taking place.
If humanity didn't record history, we would be just "reinventing" the same things over and over and over again without us knowing that it was already done before. History is allowing us to look back at what we did wrong or right and how to improve upon that. Also, It teaches us why and how things came up to be the way they are today.
stan please talk about the good old russian guys, I'm sure you have a lot to say about them. I for once would love to hear you talk about Repin's paintings and specifically portraits. Also all of these russian landscape painters, I actually don't think you've ever mentioned landscapes on the podcast all that much.
Yay, nice to see Dan Carlin get a shout-out here! I discovered his podcast several years ago and fell in love with them. His four-part coverage of World War I really left a mark on me. He also covers a lot of historical topics that don't get nearly as much play.
I love Draftsmen especially when Im working on art or cleaning.
Omg sameeee 😂😂👌
This, podcast is just amazing. It is so much fun to watch you two talking about anything :D
Marshall is one of those people that I’m truly glad became a teacher- his voice is engaging and soothing and even if some of his students didn’t do well, I’m positive that they all have left feeling enriched.
Thank you guys so much for making this podcast! It has really kept me educated, thinking and inspired . I'll definitely be saving up for one of Marshall's workshops.
I really appreciate and admire J.M.W Turner and Samuel Prout, their architectural and landscapes are wonderful. Ivan Aivazovsky color is wonderful, his painting the Ninth wave is just amazing. I also admire Charles Le Brun storytelling in his paintings. Sir Joshua Reynolds and William Gilpin are also others to consider. Whether these guys are talked about much or not, I'm not sure.
Thanks for the great podcast again! It's a joy and an inspiration to watch. I have an amazing artist for you: Wilhelm Busch. A German humoristic poet and illustrator and a true master of gesture. I am currently reading his "humoristischer Hausschatz" for my child and the quick and dynamic ink illustrations are wonderful.
Louis Ricardo Falero from the late 19th to early 20th century. His painting "Witches Going to their Sabbath" is one of my absolute favourites. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Witches_going_to_their_Sabbath_(1878),_by_Luis_Ricardo_Falero.jpg
definitely Jan Svankmajer he's massively underrated in my eyes
I think the standard for modern illustrators and artists are much higher today than they were in the past. For artists, we are still competing with the artists from the past and artists around the world. You can buy a your favorite Sargent print for the price of a few hours of minimum wage, at any place around the world. That accessibility is a disadvantage for new artists starting out since its hard to make a living before 30 with your art. Even the best artists of the past will struggle to make a living doing art today.
Definitely listen to the Caravaggio episodes (11 & 12) on the History on Fire podcast. Made me look at his art in a whole new way.
Within Cells Interlinked love those Epsiodes! Gruesome descriptions...
I want to make another argument: is form or technical training necessary to understand art history? I am history teacher and a amateur comic book artist and in the last 2 years I have tried to learn art by looking at your videos, recommendations and references. Your videos were one of the many inspirations that led me to try something that I love: creating images that tell a story. And this actually led me to understand better the history of art. For example how Hokusai used geometrical shapes for his drawings and how the Japanese experimented with perspective due to the European influence in the 17th century, or how manga in Japan is a type of artform that can be understood under the context of postwar Japan and under the influence of Disney animation (ex. Osamu Tezuka's, which is also an example of how to understand the postwar Japan through manga). In very real way, the fundamentals led me to understand artistic decisions and limitations (why use cross-hatching, why use black and white, why use ink instead of pencils). I mean, I consider Scott McCloud's books on understanding and making comics as important - or even more important - than any history book on comics (I have read a couple and they are not as interesting as you may think). A point for history, is that history helps understand what I call "implicit past- knowledge". For example, through history I can understand the greek cannon or the economy behind the resources used for the materials (ex. history of colors). If you are interested in a couple of cool references... Books: -Kassia St. Clair, "The Secret Lives of Colors" Podcast: -ArtCurious I love you guys, thank you for your amazing voices.
Marshall not only has a great voice but his snorts & physical gestures towards Stans' remarks are hilarious!
You two guys should go on a Draftsmen Show road trip, would be an amazing episode!!
I wanted to draw comics when I was in High school and I had a summer class where a teacher told me to check out Moebius, who blew me away. From there I got into Serpieri, after which I became more focused to become better at drawing seriously. I was also lucky to have been able to see an exhibit of DaVinci's notebooks, which made me more interested in the masters. I feel that a lot of people (including myself at times) prop up great artists as being divinely gifted, which in a way discredits the work they, and allows an excuse to settle for mediocrity.
Every time Stan mentions Jazza I get so excited and happy! The reason why is that Jazza's videos 3 years ago got me into art and gave me the need to be able to draw/paint (From basically never drawing in my childhood) this then lead to me applying to a beginner art school where I studied for two years and during those studies I started to watch Proko and Cesar Santos which got me interested in atelier traning so I applied to Florance Acadamy of Art in sweden and got accepted and will begin my stuides in just a few weeks. TL;DR Jazza's videos was my jumping point into the art!
Thank you for this excellent podcast ..It have given me so many laughs, and more meat on the bones regarding Painting and drawing - Priceless!
Visions of Light is an amazing documentary..I also watched it over 10 times. 😅 As an illustrator I used a lot of the information I learned from that on my own art. Blocking, composition..etc. Great thiiiiing!
Im a beginner aspring artist and i love history. So much stuffs to learn and apply to my craft from those stories
HILARIOUS!!! Jazzy is so sweet. && I’ve been watching you both for years and I definitely had a moment with your relationship
Alberto Breccia, an Argentinian artist, started his career in 1939, so it is relevant to mention him. He makes comic books. His most important work is called Mort Cinder. He works mostly with black and white. I love the way he renders human expressions and how he puts drama in the frames. He is quite famous among comic book artists, but I think not so well known in the US, but may be I am wrong. Thank you for the show I love it!
Its so wild to see how everyone has evolved over time with their art and channels. I remember back when Josiah was in LA visiting. Now hes on Proko, so absolutely inspiring.
I definitely agree with Marshall on this one! I'm a millennial and a trained physical scientist, but art history was the most valuable college class I ever took because art through time reveals so much about humanity. I care less about the people behind it than the lens through which they viewed their contemporary reality and how those pieces have stood the test of time. As a novice artist now, I want to dedicate some of my study time to learning more in detail about art history to gain respect, knowledge, and inspiration from.
I am, in general, all for Art History. Where I feel the argument in favor of historical studies loses momentum is with Duchamp. I feel comfortable using that as a demarcation point for where fine arts become near meaningless. After that point I agree that advertising, graphic design, and illustration are worthy of focused study. Aside from that I would look at modern fine artists on a case by case basis. Modern artists seem to intentionally hide their meaning behind layers of obfuscation and tangentially obscure references that it would require hours, if not days/weeks, of focused research to potentially find what the artist intended. All of this only to discover that you were wrong and the painting was created while hungover and speeding through grumpy cat memes.
Digital Art was part of my degree. Trust me, there is a LOT of interesting stuff after Duchamp, even abstract works, when it explores new medias that were brought with technology. Nam June Paik being one of the coolest from the top of my head. Also, you can always go for the history of animation and cinema (the other half of my degree), which will teach you a lot about storytelling, composition and even problem-solving. I was sad to look at my younger brother's textbook for Art in highschool, it was 100% about modern, abstract art, completely disregarding skill and effort. I don't think it should be left out, but it is very simple in its discourse and deserves no more screen time than other styles/eras.
My hidden gem is a modern day artist- Ricky Swallow the sculptor ♡ His work is out of this world. Skelly would appreciate lol Would love a future ep where you guys discuss your favourite underrated artists- or check out artists you don't know.
I suppose it might just be personal preference and that I have never heard anyone mention his name but the paintings of Charles Courtney are just some of the most beautiful paintings to look at especially in the color harmony and subject
Knowing where we came from is incredibly important because that brought us to where we are. It is not as important as where we plan to be. With a working knowledge of our history, we are better guided on our own paths. Art history teaches the artist where he came from and how he got there. What they do to further that history, is the most important thing they can do for the volumes that later generations will read. Aspire to greatness!
Gosh, 2 things: First, I love how Marshall always keeps bringing those documentaries to show. Documentary is one of my favorite movie genres, and I love watching documentaries about pretty much anything, it's an amazing way of learning passivilly (especially historic ones)... :) Second, HE DIDN'T ANSWER THE LAST QUESTION...I was expecting like "Oh! I'm gonna discovery a lost gem right now!" and it simply cut off....
This is my fav podcast so far! so many funnies
I completely relate to the reading part, muscle memory with understanding go far, and if it’s a new subject I can study masters of it with their thought process
"There are college students that want to do the minimume." As a student I know that can be true, but let me change the perspective by saying that in certain classes what more can I do? I have struggled with my art history classes because the university shoves about a hundred years of art into one class. They think I have learned something because the teacher talked about it for an hour and half during on class session. Then it's on to the next topic and the next after that, but what if I didnt grasp that last topic or I want to go more in depth with it? Oh well, have to keep up with the curriculum. Why cant we just study a handful of artist and movements in a class so we can actually learn something?
Francisco de Goya. He's definitely not forgotten, but he's constantly overlooked in favour of other Spanish painters like Velázquez, Picasso or Sorolla. Goya's works started with the most colourful and brightest scenes and ended with the dark and nightmare feeding "black paintings", which he did in his walls, just for himself to contemplate. He also left the best testimony of a very sad episode of his country's history, when the king and most of the army betrayed their people and left the lower classes to fight an offensive from the biggest army in the world.
I read the art of learning amazing book.. I was kinda bummed out about my progression as a artist.. this book reinvigorated me.... Thanks for the recommendation
One of my favorites, James C. Christensen, is not before the 1940's (but has past) and he used the 17th century and artist from that day to inspire great works.
Pro Hart (Australia artist) He is very intentional with his brush stroked and his compositions are incredibly. A few paintings to consider: North Mine Early Study Broken Hill Hospital The British Mine Minescape Winder Roon, Kintore Mine
Hell yes! I love Tuesdays. I've improved so much on my art. I've been struggling with trying to get the coloring just right on a painting I'm working on. Likewise, I've improved on my line work for my OCs and landscapes. Perspective is challenging for landscapes for me, I don't know why. Lots of elements, I guess?
Katie - I follow a couple of artists online. One is Michael James Smith, I just finished his video on color matching. I found it very helpful. He is an amazing landscape artist. He starts his blocking in with acrylic and uses oils overtop to great effect!
I love how every single person that gets a new sketchbook smells it and comments how the paper smells good.
Hi, Marshall and Stan, and everyone at Proko. Great podcast. I'm currently studying Leonardo Da Vinci's Vitruvian Man. It's based on Da Vinci's study of the Roman Architect, Vitruvius. It was interesting. I'm studying human proportions. Riven Pheonix has a great lesson on how to divide a line into 6 sections representing where certain landmarks fall in the center of the body, but from there he shows how to use your own judgement to create the width. I wanted to be more precise, so I drew a circle, using the line as the mid section. Then a box around the circle. As soon as I did that, Virtruvian Man popped into my head. When I looked up Virtruvian Man, it was ironic how mathematicians tried to figure out the circle and box ratio. In Virtruvian Man there's a man at the center of a circle with his hands spread upwards. The circle shows the perimeter of a human's limb movements. But inside the circle is a square. The circle's base is at the same level of the square, but it extends beyond the square. Eventually, they discovered if you find the center of the square and rotate it 45 degrees, you can then form a circle around it's outer edges. The reason I'm bringing this up, is this. If all of history was lost. We would all struggle to restart again. Now we very well could take the same steps, as before. But as any digital artist knows, you always hit the save button when ever possible.
26:00 Proko: "I read the book, or a bit of it". Marshall: "I knew the guy who wrote the book".
When Marshall used the phrase “paper chase” the meaning of the title to the television series “The Paper Chase” finally hit me.
Wow Mr V... I think you are the perfect example of why an artist should learn art history... (I can't imagine how an artist would not be interested in art history) it seems like your knowledge of artists from Rick Griffin on back to the Renaissance and before, just makes your art RICHER.. unless you are using some new undiscovered medium and some new undiscovered style... somebody has done what you are doing before so don't get all carried away with yourself... 😁
Say what you will about boomers, but have you ever seen one get the skin off an orange in one piece? Magnificent.
This has been the funniest of all podcast so far xd
This was easily one of the best episodes XD
For those who are interested in illustration there is a channel on KZhead called Pete Beard with a series called (unsung heroes of illustration) it has a great list of them old masters!
Lol, just saying, GenX, majored in Art History. 😉 Stan, try an Etchr field case for your pencils. I'm in love with the thing. & Artist, Modigliani. I don't recall the time period.
I love Bouguereau's Paintings.
I just looked up Visions of light.Its on amazon. You can also watch it for free on youtube. I loved this conversation. watched it straight through over coffeee. thank you.
Loved this episode!
Some artists.. Jesus Helguera, Thomas Couture, Valentin Serov, and Leon Bonnatt. Just a few of many! I think there needs to be a balance.. learn the history, but understand that you'll never know all of it. It requires too much time and some of that time needs to be dedicated to the practice of your craft. Get an overview and then focus in on what interests you.
This is awesome and you guys are really funny too 😄
Those couches look so comfortable!!!
I just love this show :D
Marshall popping out those fresh pumps for this episode. I felt out of place without his toes popping into the frame at random times.
Can we please talk about the thumbnails, they're hilarious 😂❤️
I LOVE MARSHALL hahaha I watch the videos instead of just listening to the podcast because i love watching him. :')
Listening to Marshall and Stan while drawing actually helped me focus, relax and relieve my art anxiety. Thank you so much for this podcast and I hope to hear more of your quality content. (´°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥｀)(´°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ω°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥｀) ♥♥♥♥♥
I also get nauseous when looking at dynamic anatomy lol, glad to hear I'm not alone.
34:38 Marshall is AMAZING LOL.😂
Visions of Light is available on KZhead- including a newer HD version. 👍
Thanks guys
"...maybe there's a reason we're born not knowing history" marshall thats so deep i had to pause the vid to have an existential crisis edit -- old artists i think should be more popular: 1. fernando amorsolo. altho he's pretty well known among filipinos, idk if he's recognized abroad so im putting him here!! he's known for his use of light, and pretty much shaped the quintessential "idyllic provincial life" aesthetic. 2. artemesia gentileschi. a baroque era painter. i adore how high contrast and yet v cohesive her work is. i think just looking at her work is basically a master class in dramatic lighting. she's becoming more popular recently but i figure she should be more well known! 3. eric ravilious. his style reminds me more of that "storybook illustrator" look which i find interesting. his work is primarily of watercolors, and served as a war artist, which was v cool. 4. tove jansson. creator of moomin! she's more well-known now bc of the resurgence of moomin, but she's not mentioned much as far as i know outside the fandom. her ink drawings make me drool, and i really really like how she draws and designs characters.
One of the worst things that happened to Gen X is they were caught between two eras. The Analog and the digital. They were taught for Analog just as the era came to an end. In a way they ended up being a generation that is rarely talked about. Stuck in the turning of times.
Marshall Talking about Burn Hogarth is a treat.
Any good art history classes online? I would love to learn more.
I like to watch Waldemar Januszczak's documentaries about art on TV. I discovered a lot of new things in old time art...
I think this episode was one of the funniest so far but... I am curious did Marshall have more points about why it would have been harder earlier? I can think of arguments going both ways It was harder because: - Prior to the internet having access to learning material would have been so hard. Nowadays if I want to know what the hamstrings look like it is fairly easy. In the past? I could try to check from my own via mirror (if I was well off enough to even have a mirror) or I could go outside and try to get someone to show me theirs. - Having access to marketing/spreading your work would have also been immensely harder because of the above. Even if you were master painter it wouldn't matter if you didn't have contacts to get yourself work. - Even having access to paper or pencils/paints was not necessarily given based on your social status. Nowadays, especially in western world, it could be argued your parents financial situation has much less impact on your ability to pursue art. (Albeit this is arguable for, and against, from multiple angles) But it could also be argued it was easier: - There probably could be arguments made that all revolve around the idea that things could have been easier because of less people, less information clutter, skills being worth more because information would have traveled slower and so forth. - Some might argue that the fact that there was no internet would have pushed people to learn from nature, which many would consider superior form of learning, rather than digital sources. There are probably many more for both sides. Personally I do instinctively feel it probably should have been harder because from modern perspective it does feel like it could have been stacked against you so much... but who knows. He also said that standards are 'lower' nowadays. In certain way you can see that nowadays so many 'styles' can bring you success. It is hard for me to imagine that if somehow we could have transported Japanese painter to the renaissance era, and given him the perfect language skills, that churches and the aristocracy would have jumped to commission him. In that sense, if not stricter, the standards definitely were at least narrower (if simply because lack of information transfer between different art bubbles) However, in direct comparison then are the standards for modern realism gallery painters lower nowadays? I would argue they are probably higher. While accessibility has made all the sectors of art flourish more this has also brought in so many more painters that I feel that the top 10% has been pushed higher.
Great Boomer vs. Millennial material right here. I think Ken Burns is the Boomer spirit animal.
You guys are so funny together
Draftsman show is enjoyable and fun to listen too in the background while you're studying/drawing. But where on earth have the ask the artist videos gone I thought they were supposed to come out weekly?
"latest knick knacks on the shelf" Marshall rules!!
Season 2 will begin on April 7 and on it’s own KZhead channel… Be sure to subscribe! kzhead.info/tools/fvIqreCk628yB9mp3e_ABQ.html
I hope in season 2 you'll be inviting guests in different fields, digital artists, sculptors, graphic designers, graffiti artists etc. And try to relate their craft with drawing/painting
lol lol at the end : D brilliant bants
Marshall- The bit about Hogarth, where you mention "my buddy JD and I"... You're talking about JD Parish, aren't you? I think I've heard this story from him!
Hardly anyone talks about Raymond Harris Ching. Would love to know your opinions. He's not pre 1940s and I think is still alive... however... still a forgotten treasure.
Sorry for being late to the party but precisionists! Elsie Driggs, Feininger, and Sheller!
I love Burne Hogarth actually, learned a lot from his books, you don't have to copy his style of drawing stuff, you have to understand, just like when reading Bridgeman's. Also reading the text is equally or even more crucial than the illustrations themselves.
Thank you Marshal and stan
José Segrelles Albert he made my favoryte poster ever of Fallas. He made it for fallas 1929. Check it out.