When Did NHL Goalies Actually Get Good?

2020 ж. 19 Жел.
11 378 Рет қаралды

"No wonder Gretzky scored all those goals, have you SEEN the goaltending in the 80s??"
I guarantee you have either said or heard that phrase more than once in your life. There's a belief in the online hockey community that no goalie from the 80s or 90s, other than Dominik Hasek or Patrick Roy, could survive in the modern NHL, and that all of them were terrible stand-up goalies who shouldn't have gotten higher than Junior B.
So I decided to look up some stats and find out when Goaltenders in the National Hockey League actually got good at the thing they're supposed to be good at: Stopping the Puck.
Goalies included in this video are: Dominik Hasek, Martin Brodeur, Curtis Joseph, Patrick Roy, Ron Hextall, Kirk McLean, Billy Smith, and many more

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  • A few things come into play with these stats. The effects of NHL exposure to international teams (USSR specifically) led to revised offensive tactics that were counter to what goalies had grown up facing. By the late '70s, play was no longer a north-south majority, and cross ice offense became far more common. The early to mid '80s Oilers were the apex of this style change, and it's no coincidence they were one of the youngest teams in the league. This also happened with an influx of European players in the early '80s. The "muscle memory" of goalies was now affected. Next was the skill levels of Gretzky and Lemieux. For all the assaults goalies experienced with a changing offense, Gretzky and Lemieux were talents beyond that. Those two put up numbers no one else really came close to. While Dan Bouchard of the Flames/Nordiques picked up the butterfly torch from Tony Esposito, Patrick Roy was the first to find success with it, which was almost a necessity change for goalies to find a solution. At the time, 70% of NHL goals were scored along the ice. Then there's the advent of goalie equipment changes starting in the late '80s, especially their pads. The lighter weight leg gear accelerated and assisted a league wide shift to butterfly play. Lightweight foam instead of deer hair made the butterfly much more tenable as a long term style. As butterflying becoming the norm, the '00s saw the rapid introduction of larger goaltenders to cover more net when they were down with legs covering the bottom half. The only counter to all this was the advent of synthetic sticks, allowing players to increase shot velocity considerably over wood sticks. An interesting evolution of problem-reaction for all parts of the game.

    @NameGoesHere21@NameGoesHere213 ай бұрын
  • This video should have been a lot longer

    @philiprobarge8047@philiprobarge80473 жыл бұрын
    • No effort was put into it really

      @lilwoodiewood3457@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
    • He couldn't even fact check

      @lilwoodiewood3457@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
    • @@lilwoodiewood3457HE PUT ALOT I ENJOYED SO MUCH

      @ThatWeirdFootballDude@ThatWeirdFootballDude6 ай бұрын
  • What an awesome video thanks!!!

    @kfc872@kfc872 Жыл бұрын
  • I just heard Nick Kyprios on a sports channel talk about how all goalies are the same now. I have been saying that for 10 years. I started playing goal in the early 80's and played until early 2000's at a decent level. There were so many styles then it was awesome. I am 5' 9" and would never be considered now as having a future in goaltending since 6' 2" seems to be the average now. ( I hated taller goalies- Roy, Liut, Hextall etc) Every goalie now plays exactly the same due to coaching at the earliest levels. I just watched Richter and Healy being interviewed for the Rangers 25 th Stanley cup anniversary and they said they didn't have a goalie coach! They each helped one another - wow.

    @davevandervelde4799@davevandervelde47995 ай бұрын
    • I’m pretty much self taught and play mostly stand up, also being 5’9”. That whole butterfly/blocking doesn’t really work at our height. Got to read and react and trust in Lord Hasek.

      @boystainey@boystainey28 күн бұрын
  • FANTASTIC VIDEO MAN! Deserves way more views

    @t3peater204@t3peater204 Жыл бұрын
    • I appreciate that. Thank you!

      @undertakerpitt@undertakerpitt Жыл бұрын
  • Dude where’d you go? These videos are awesome

    @HubbardstonBased@HubbardstonBased7 ай бұрын
    • The pandemic ended so I started doing Play by Play 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

      @undertakerpitt@undertakerpitt7 ай бұрын
    • ​@@undertakerpittwhere?

      @Somethingsomethingmorbid0@Somethingsomethingmorbid05 ай бұрын
  • merzlikins 💀

    @rydenhaze10@rydenhaze10 Жыл бұрын
  • Top content, keep it up!

    @leandrocedeno97@leandrocedeno972 жыл бұрын
    • Appreciate that! Thank you!

      @undertakerpitt@undertakerpitt2 жыл бұрын
  • Heyy. I saw you had the wwf rip tribute video(the wwf as we know it). Could you pls send me the video if you can cause I cant find it anywhere else. I had it downloaded on a old hard drive but it got destroyed.

    @BkZ1AnD0nLy@BkZ1AnD0nLy2 жыл бұрын
  • 2 years later... carter hart, thatcher demko and elvis merzlinkins all have fallen off a cliff. Hockey is weird

    @DanglesforDays@DanglesforDays8 ай бұрын
    • Demko’s game came back in the second half of last season, so I think he will still hold up, But the other two, Jeez… I look pretty dumb in hindsight

      @undertakerpitt@undertakerpitt8 ай бұрын
    • Demko is on fire now and carter hart has great numbers on a below average philly team. Was never a big elvis fan but the other two are elite goalies who have played with some bad rosters

      @Somethingsomethingmorbid0@Somethingsomethingmorbid05 ай бұрын
  • The equipment got a lot bigger, and the save % went up.

    @mberry480@mberry48027 күн бұрын
  • "goalies sucked until 2005" meanwhile the 90s goalies of Brodeur, Hasek and Roy are still a tier above modern goalies like Price and Vasi imo

    @sean4677@sean4677 Жыл бұрын
  • They got good when patrick roy entered the chat

    @TheHat--Man@TheHat--Man Жыл бұрын
  • hey man . can you send me the wwf as we knew it video

    @ka7hs136@ka7hs1362 жыл бұрын
  • Anyone that could skate could have been a 2nd or 3rd string goalie on any NHL team in the early 80s lol

    @Sammydx1@Sammydx12 жыл бұрын
    • Don't get carried away.

      @NameGoesHere21@NameGoesHere213 ай бұрын
  • So many facts missing from this. The WHL expansion diluted the talent pool hurting team defences but spreading the talent amoung more teams making it easier for talented forwards to score, the influx of European players bringing their tactics and style with them and lets not forget the size of goalie equipment getting bigger and massively lighter. Had Dryden, Tony O, Cheevers, Parent and the earlier keepers had this equipment their numbers would have been even better. As for the 2005 offside rule change, that a huge inpact on the total goals scored as well.

    @thearsenalmisfit2414@thearsenalmisfit24143 ай бұрын
  • They were always good

    @user-gq4hz7rh6k@user-gq4hz7rh6k9 ай бұрын
  • Goalies started to get good when the goat mike richter joined the rangers

    @adamjones9813@adamjones98132 жыл бұрын
  • Brodeur debuted in 91 92 or 92 93 not 93 94

    @lilwoodiewood3457@lilwoodiewood34572 жыл бұрын
    • He only played a handful of games in 91/92 and 92/93 but didn't play a full NHL season until 93/94. He split duties with Chris Terreri (NJ's number 1) that season. He became NJ's full time starter in 1995.

      @gordieparenteau6555@gordieparenteau6555 Жыл бұрын
  • I’ll tell you when they got bad ! When they started to lay on the ice all the time ,they don’t know anything about cutting down on angles !

    @mikemcneil8268@mikemcneil82685 ай бұрын
  • Goalies didn't get bad ... STATS don't make a goalie good or bad !!! But you keep going with it !!!! Just a reminder , hockey is a team sport !!!! Did goalies get " bad lol " or did everyone wanna be Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretzky ????

    @Elementsoftheory29@Elementsoftheory294 ай бұрын
    • Perfect example of someone talking out of their ass about something that happened before they were born, just because they've seen a few highlights. I watched hockey in that era. Goalies were BAD!

      @monroemullinix5974@monroemullinix59744 ай бұрын
    • You think everyone on a good team is automatically a good player because the team is winning?🤡

      @veganpotterthevegan@veganpotterthevegan3 ай бұрын
  • Players got faster, better and teams played pass the saucer more and more

    @kingchrisepoo@kingchrisepoo2 ай бұрын
  • Plot twist: they are not good

    @FamousGoalHorns@FamousGoalHorns3 жыл бұрын
    • i wish nhlhornsandsongs didn't quit

      @undertakerpitt@undertakerpitt3 жыл бұрын
    • @@undertakerpitt pain

      @FamousGoalHorns@FamousGoalHorns3 жыл бұрын
  • This is a legit question, but couldn’t it be that in the ‘80s scorers where much better and the goalies where at their mercy and then they weren’t as good later on? I mean, it could be interpreted both ways. Either scorers got better in the ‘80s then got worse and the goalies stayed the same or the goalies were worse in the ‘80s then got better and the scorers stayed the same.

    @AntonXul@AntonXul4 ай бұрын
  • Goalies were good in the 70s to 90 s now they suck !

    @mikemcneil8268@mikemcneil82683 ай бұрын
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