I'm not going on a sub that's covered in hooks, and cables, and loops of steel like a damn giant piece of velcro to wreck site.
@posmoo979011 күн бұрын
They should have just called it "The Snag O' Matic"
@EzraCannon-xp9is11 күн бұрын
I’m not going on a sub.
@SharronNeedles11 күн бұрын
Multifunctionality comes at a cost in development and dare I say at a price in use.
@Paxmax10 күн бұрын
I’m beginning to think that professional diving is a dangerous business.
@billyponsonby11 күн бұрын
You and me both 😨
@deletdis617311 күн бұрын
It seems a bit like riding a motorbike on a 0.5m wide I-beam 500m up in the air at 100m/s between two cliffs. Technically doable, but you have to be 1000% switched on from the first stage of planning right up until you're safely at the other end. Or, y'know... you die. If you're cave diving, add to this night time with only your headlight to light the way, random bends in said I-beam, and the cliffs are far enough apart that you're at the very edge of your fuel capacity. If you're rescue cave diving, add rain, narrow the beam to 0.2m... Yeh, not exactly the safest of jobs.
@233kosta11 күн бұрын
What gives you that idea? 🫣/sarcasm
@Transberrylemonaid11 күн бұрын
Who wouod have thought having to rely on fairly old tech to be in an atmosphere that you shouldn't be in would be dangerous....
@scoreboardntlie11 күн бұрын
That's why we get big Bucks for it..and chick's love a good diver. 😂
@begbieyabass11 күн бұрын
That fan is the smell he had earlier, a fan normally gets an electrical smell before it fails. What they did wrong, They did not abort the mission the second they smelled an electrical problem
@trickedouttech32111 күн бұрын
Critical fans should be replaced on a schedule.
@naughtiusmaximus83011 күн бұрын
@@naughtiusmaximus830 no, new parts fail more often than working parts could add an hour limit workload
@GrandDukeMushroom10 күн бұрын
@@GrandDukeMushroom A burn in would be ideal.
@naughtiusmaximus83010 күн бұрын
Redundancy probably better. Fans are pretty compact these days. I deal with burnt out power supplies from when the fan fails if you want my “take”.
@naughtiusmaximus83010 күн бұрын
what is needed is back up fans
@happychappy49210 күн бұрын
I'm a commercial diver who's been following you for a couple of years. I don't often say anything but I appreciate what you do and I always give your videos a like. In particular, if you don't know certain details like in this video, you say so. That's honesty and I appreciate that. Your admissions that you don't know every detail inspires trust, not mistrust. Keep up the great work.👍 The thorough dissection you've done of the events in this tragedy is top-shelf. Your channel is a useful learning resource for anyone working underwater at + 1 atmospheric pressure. There are things to be learned on your channel, even by an old veteran like myself.
@Mo_Taser11 күн бұрын
Thanks mate. It's really encouraging to hear from a professional. I'm having to learn about humility and it's great to see that it's recognised.
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your comment. I’m not a diver, but a professional pilot. I’ve flown a lot and instructed a lot and have always tried to be humble and realize someone else may know something I don’t. It is a sign of strength, not weakness, to say “I don’t know” rather than to build a decision on false information or misunderstandings. Much respect and thanks again.
@HEDGE10119 күн бұрын
@@HEDGE1011 Thank you so much. I subscribe to a couple of ATC/pilot channels. I find pilot/ATC interactions interesting - sometimes tragic, sometimes funny, and sometimes just downright interesting. In spite of the fact that I'm a nervous flyer and I get scared when I stand on a chair to change a lightbulb, I think there are definite similarities between our two professions. Have a plan. One needs the temperament. You need to be level-headed, and not prone to panic. When all hell is breaking loose you need to keep your wits about you. That has saved my life. Keep your equipment in good working order. Not having your equipment in good working order is your fault. Being injured or killed due to poor equipment is avoidable. Drugs and alcohol can kill you, and probably in your case, others too. I think we probably share all of those traits and more. Thanks again. 👍
@Mo_Taser9 күн бұрын
@@waterlinestories Great video ! Well done. Just for the info, those tanks are usually 12 or 15 liter tanks filled at 200 bars or up to 300 bars (depending on metal - aluminium vs steel). From a french prof. diver, always a real pleasure to watch your videos.
@Bertrand1466 күн бұрын
awesome of you as a professional saying that more people like you are needed in this world
@travisemilson9582 күн бұрын
Trapped in a cage of metal slowly suffocating must be so demoralizing knowing you can’t really do anything about it other than wait and try and stay conscious while rescuers struggle to reach you in the depths
@j3tts0n6511 күн бұрын
You know what I've already had two panic attacks today, maybe I'll skip this one
@sarasmr427811 күн бұрын
@sarasmr4278 3's a charm
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
@@sarasmr4278 Yeeaaah back when I had anxiety problems I could not watch anything like this. Just honestly skip it, even if it sounds interesting. Keep it together and I hope it gets better mate.
@whatevernamegoeshere364411 күн бұрын
Well they could've just figured out how to use the tried and true "Byford Dolphin" method.
@theoneway2211 күн бұрын
@whatevernamegoeshere3644 much appreciated 💜 I had a recent scare -- turned out fine, but things are all stirred up. I had a panic attack on the climbing wall for the first time today and I sat there in my harness and did my breathing and told myself I was absolutely fine and then I finished the bloody climb so now I am officially a badass thank you very much. ;)
@sarasmr427811 күн бұрын
In my diving days we called that style of clip a "suicide hook".
@steveo700611 күн бұрын
In 1985, I declined a very generous offer of employment as an underwater pipe welder. I talked to several people that told me horror stories from their time in that field. The pay, although quite substantial, was not enough for me. I nearly died several times during large land based pipe jobs. I later decided to join the U.S. Navy. I think I made the right decision. RIP to all those lost.
@feloniouscraphammer11 күн бұрын
indeed you did!
@EzraCannon-xp9is11 күн бұрын
Holy crap. My uncle very nearly got me started in this industry, and never once warned me. Was he just trying to get a replacement!? Jesus I love the ocean and I find diving so interesting, but I'm honestly glad I stayed away from it. I don't trust myself to not panic, even though I've been through some high pressure emergency situations and done well... being underwater changed all of that. 0 control over your fate.
@ZeranZeran10 күн бұрын
I met an underwater pipe welder that had been in the gig for 40 years. They had to make new plaques for him every 5 years of service because nobody had ever survived that long. He always told me that safety was the absolute priority in these dire conditions.
@koneeche6 күн бұрын
Never skip repairs, always have a backup system/plan. And if a more experienced crew member says grab a jacket/food/whatever, DO IT! So many of these incidents could be avoided, or not as severe, if people took logical precautions.
@MeduseldRabbit11 күн бұрын
Seems like for something like CO2 scrubbers, they should at least have one that's hand cranked considering that mechanical and electrical systems aren't that reliable.
@ryelor12310 күн бұрын
@@ryelor123 Any system is unreliable if you actively choose not to address faults.
@mactep19 күн бұрын
It is frustrating when you consider the billions the armed forces spend yet frequently their fancy equipment doesn't work when needed. Notice how no progress was made until a commercial salvage vehicle showed up.
@1978garfield10 күн бұрын
It amazes me just how many people disregard procedures for safety - especially when the procedure is meant to save lives.
@Mahkwa10 күн бұрын
Agreed! Knowing one scrubber was faulty, declaring it out loud, and then continuing anyway... It's amazing how quickly people can normalise a hostile environment, and let basic safety standards slip.
@nodidog10 күн бұрын
There is a reason why safety protocols exist. They are for your safety. If you disregard them you effectively sign away your life in the event of an accident. Good job 👏
@ryanau582411 күн бұрын
That's the problem. They didn't have any safety protocols. No need for a full inspection prior to launch. No need to repair faulty to life support systems before launch. No need to wear diving suits when riding down in the dive compartment. They simply didn't care in the first place. Now the recent Titan sub implosion, that was pure negligence. Which, in my opinion, is even worse than ignorance.
@dhawthorne16342 күн бұрын
The thumbnail look like the air filter Contraption that Appollo 13 crew has to make
@charlesfinas382611 күн бұрын
That’s because it is.
@MADmosche11 күн бұрын
Well spotted! :)
@cbhlde11 күн бұрын
The event occurred in 1973 and im guessing no pictures of the exact thing
@henzoko594611 күн бұрын
Came here to say that. That's exactly what that is
@robertszempruch654011 күн бұрын
but how do you fit a round peg into a square hole again? some duct tape and the cover of the flight manual, right?
@skeetrix557711 күн бұрын
How come every single underwater rescue is plagued with crap not working on the rescue equipment.
@OMG_No_Way11 күн бұрын
Because it’s never used in anger until it is
@X737_11 күн бұрын
Lack of maintenance and professionalism.
@ziggyblue78211 күн бұрын
Because sea farers secretly identify as fish and believe they don't need it!
@jed-henrywitkowski647011 күн бұрын
Goes to show you how likely a Space rescue will be successful!
@michaelreid232911 күн бұрын
@@michaelreid2329 Space Travel is much easier than Deep Sea Travel. Hardest part is getting the rocket to space at 28,000 MPH+
@tbas874111 күн бұрын
Albert Stover is a paternal relative who died shortly before I was born, and until recently I had no idea what happened. It's especially eerie because I've always had a deathly fear of suffocation and deep water for as long as I can remember, even as a small child; yet was also obsessed with Caribbean shipwrecks. But I grew up in the Midwest pretty far away from oceans & shipwrecks, so.... 🤷♂️
@anaxis11 күн бұрын
That's wild.
@bearb1asting10 күн бұрын
I have watched every video of yours, and for some reason, this one felt hard to watch. From the 'eh' of overlooking the broken scrubber, to the 'suicide hook', to the many failed rescue attempts. Just heartbreaking for the two gents in the dive compartment.
@wolfwright765811 күн бұрын
Two guys in the dive compartment should have done the lockout dive when they had the chance. Never pass up any chance to get out in these situations. People have a tendency to down play how bad situations are, we need to learn from these mistakes. If you are ever in a life or death situation you must recognize your few options to make it out as they arise
@TungstenCarbideProjectile11 күн бұрын
It sounds like they were suffering from hypothermia, so their ability to free the Sealink from the cable would have been very difficult, especially wearing just shorts and t shirts. The partial pressure of the oxygen at 1.62 might have killed them anyway. If you are thinking of ascending to the surface, that would be out of the question. From 100 meters they would have to do a decompression ascent like the navy divers. That would be impossible without the proper diving equipment.
@jnmrn406911 күн бұрын
I'm confused,we're there wetsuits to perform a lockout dive? R.I.P. but they didn't show respect for task and the pilots advice to dress properly.It just seems strange to be so nonchalant. How much did this rescue cost?
@boathousejoed112611 күн бұрын
Totally agree. Been in some crazy situations and had to act quick, I remember questioning myself for a minute and saying fuck it and did something I didn't think was going to work. If I didn't make the move I did then there's a good chance I wouldn't still be existing.
@PlasticCogLiquid11 күн бұрын
@@boathousejoed1126 Yeah as a recreational diver myself, it seems crazy that it spiraled out of control so fast at 300' depth. I would have thought there would be a technical diver or two on the support vessel who could dive down 300' and feet and untangle them with a Trimix setup. They could have been down there in like 10 minutes. Sure it would probably be many hours of deco stops depending on how long they took to untangle it and require quite a few tanks of Trimix. But with the cost of that underwater vessel you would think you would have some sort of rescue plan in place in case something went wrong.
@Nilboggen11 күн бұрын
I don't think they even realized they were in a life-or-death situation until it was too late to perform the lockout dive. In hindsight, they obviously should have attempted it despite the risk. They made the fatal assumption that help would arrive long before they depleted their oxygen supply, making it seem like a lockout dive was an unnecessary risk that could potentially make their situation even worse.
@Pellagrah11 күн бұрын
I don't think the scrubber killed them. Seems like time is what killed them. They had no plan or way to survive for being at that depth for that amount of time. Also it was never clear why the men were in the diving compartment in the first place. Was there any purpose for them going down along with the 2 pilots?
@zoozoc111 күн бұрын
The problem is the sheer incompetence of the Coast Guard. If you look into the incident more, it is just obvious that they didn't even need to go there, they were useless and repeatedly failed to get to the submersible because of their lack of organization.
@sujimayne11 күн бұрын
Funsies
@SharronNeedles11 күн бұрын
That's essentially saying the same thing. Scrubbers don't have infinite capacity. There's only so much CO2 they can absorb. And the scrubbing ability slows with time as the active material is used up. So saying it was the scrubber or saying it was the time, is really the same thing, although saying it is the scrubber makes it sound like it was a catastrophic failure, rather than the inevitable one.
@MadScientist26714 сағат бұрын
Good lord, I don't think I've seen a case covered on this channel that saw so many unforeseen complications
@mnightfamalam151011 күн бұрын
Nope, it was one thing after next.
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
I don't like no scrubs. A scrub is a thing that can't get no love from me.
@Christiaanwebb10 күн бұрын
First impression: You’d think that a standard bit of “emergency equipment” would be some sort of simple bellows that could be fitted to the “fan” end of the scrubber and physically operated by the crew in the event of a fan failure or even a power failure. Edit: Second impression: Why aren’t there divers on the support ship? That’s so insane to me.
@b.w.2210 күн бұрын
Keep in mind, this is the early 1970's. We were still using diving bells and pressure suits with air lines and brass helmets. We'd only known how to safely surface from a deep dive for about 50 years and only found out how to treat decompression sickness about a decade prior. The equipment needed to perform deep dives from a surface ship was prohibitively expensive for research vessels and the air supply they had access to, to pump down there would have been toxic at those depths. That's why they had to call in military divers for the rescue attempt. The USCG and USN have a comparatively limitless budget and all of the best equipment of the time already on hand. Ideally, they would have forced anyone in the dive compartment to be ready to leave the compartment in case they needed to address some external issue on the sub, rather than letting them dive in shorts and a t-shirt. "Better to have it and not need it", type of scenario. Unfortunately, they fell on the "need it and not have it" side of that saying. On your first point, a hand cranked fan with gear reduction MIGHT have worked, but the work you'd put in to pumping bellows would increase your CO2 output more than the benefit you'd gain from increased flow through the absorption medium. It would have been more prudent to repair the redundant systems prior to launch and add a resistive heating element on the intake that would have kicked on if the temperature fell near to the minimum effective temperature.
@dhawthorne16342 күн бұрын
@@dhawthorne1634 - Well said! Thank you for such a thorough and thoughtful response. I agree with your “have it and not need it” SOP being the actual way this emergency could have been averted; having divers in the aft compartment who were ready and able to exit the vehicle to free it from the entanglement is the way. Coming from an aerospace background, I sometimes lose sight of the fact that deep-sea diving is such a recent development and a discipline whose techniques and technologies were driven by government agencies in the same was that space activity was. In so many ways, the deep ocean is a more challenging environment than space. Anyway, thanks again for your insight.
@b.w.222 күн бұрын
Why not have backup oxygen candles? They were invented in 1945 so they should be good during this time period. Sure they burn super hot... but when freezing with little O2 you might like the temperature increase.
@ViroMad2 күн бұрын
@@ViroMad My guess is because of either cost, stowage or toxicity. They are still rather expensive today. My guess would be a military-only thing back then. They are rather bulky and require a dedicated burn chamber; which a small, deep-dive research vessel couldn't afford the space for. They are meant to be used in larger subs with lower internal pressure and a higher volume of air; which would run you into the same issue of oxygen toxicity as using the inappropriate diving gas that they had on board.
@dhawthorne1634Күн бұрын
This shows the difficulty of conducting rescue operations at only 100m depth. My mind flashes to a certain tourist DSV operating near the Titanic, at about 3,500m. If it had gotten stuck on the seafloor with all alive, imagine how much longer it would take to mount a rescue. I don't think the DSV's reserve oxygen would have lasted long enough. -- Deep sea construction divers have suits they can put on to preserve body warmth for as long as possible. This vessel appeared to have nothing of the sort. I'm thinking they would have found them useful.
@TheOtherSteel10 күн бұрын
It's click-bait-ish to say "this CO2 scrubber killed these men". The scrubber worked exactly ss designed. The CO2 absorber material worked exactly as expected. The air temp dropped more than predicted, faster than predicted, and nobody thought of a way to warm the CO2 absorbent THAT'S what killed everyone.
@darkwater7211 күн бұрын
I see what you're saying, but the CO2 scrubber was faultily designed... or else the temp wouldn't have led it to stop scrubbing CO2. Also the fan stopping didn't help either.
@Blue4Skies16 күн бұрын
It's faulty because the scrubber doesn't have a heater in it.
@youtubehandlesux6 күн бұрын
@@youtubehandlesux The lack of some sort of pre-heater not the same as "faulty". It's an unfortunate design choice with terrible consequences, but that's not the same as "broken." They just never thought of the chamber might get that cold.
@darkwater726 күн бұрын
I recognized that square scrubber. That was from Apollo 13. It was the jury rigged way they fit the LEM scrubber filters to the command modules round filter compartment.
@Evergreen6411 күн бұрын
Slight issue with your thumbnail its the scrubber from Apollo 13 it did the exact opposite from what you say it saved the entire crew and enabled their return to earth safely it's one of the greatest emergency engineering improviseings in history
@nickyevans8311 күн бұрын
Seconded, this really needs to be fixed.
@shankthebat86549 күн бұрын
What is up with all these negative comments on a well done video? Jeez people, get a life.
@TimothySpadano11 күн бұрын
It took us 60,000,000 years to get out of the ocean. STOP TRYING TO GO BACK!
@infinitesimalperinfinitum10 күн бұрын
This reminded me of a Randy Feltface joke. "You know, when sharks eat people it's fucked; but it shits me how they immediately go out and kill the shark, like: 'It's gone rogue! It's gone rogue!' "No it hasn't! It's just doing what millions of years of evolution have programed it to do; fucking, swim around eating shit. "'Yeah, but... It came into our bit. This is our bit of the ocean'. "Wha? No. See that bit there, the big, fuckin' wet bit. That's it's bit. "This bit here, this dry bit, that you're standing on WITH YOUR LEGS; you're legs that have evolved to stand on the dry bit. That's you're bit. "You go into it's bit, you're going to GET bit. That's the lesson."
@dhawthorne16342 күн бұрын
Tell that to whales and dolphins, who came up on to land, went "fuck this" and got back in the ocean.
@Xhumed2 күн бұрын
Why does it always seem that "Should be a Simple Procedure" never ends up being a Simple Procedure.
@jaydawg235711 күн бұрын
Because of something that's best described as safety creep. The more often you do procedures, the less dangerous those procedures seem to become and therefore many people get casual with safety procedures. This trip to retrieve that fish trap should have been a breeze and it was, until the unforeseeable happened. And even then it should have been survivable, if not for the very casual disregard of procedures and safety measures, especially by the two men in the diving compartment. Had they been properly dressed and prepared to make an emergency dive if necessary, all of them would probably have survived.
@tjroelsma11 күн бұрын
That exact phrase, figuratively, hit me at work today. Changing encoder backup batteries in a Fanuc robot arm. Should take 5 minutes in theory; remove 7 easily accessible screws, pop off a cover, extract 2 battery packs, unplug, plug and slide in 2 new packs, attach cover. In practice, the cover was so stuck on to the robot that we couldnt work it loose. More than 30 minutes later with 2 people, numerous tools and a bit of violence we gave up as not to damage the robot or the cover.
@nrdesign199111 күн бұрын
Idiots. That's why. Either in the creation, maintaining or operating or all.
@bradsanders40711 күн бұрын
Complacency.
@justinrobinson958311 күн бұрын
Why were the divers even there, when no dive was planned?
@jamesm578710 күн бұрын
This is my New Favorite Channel, I have seen every video now, I wish I did binge watch cause now, I have to wait for new ones...
@briantremblay915711 күн бұрын
🤣 I'll do my best to not let you wait too long.
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
@@waterlinestories The way you tell their stories, sometimes I feel claustrophobic, the cave diving stories truly give this affect!! Any loss of life is sad.
@briantremblay915711 күн бұрын
Nice picture of the Titanic's bow matey
@joneyre493111 күн бұрын
🤭
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
Unsubscribed
@artsmith10311 күн бұрын
@@artsmith103 🤣
@FreeFinca11 күн бұрын
Just wondering why the thumbnail is the lithium hydroxide canister from Apollo 13?
@RC-nq7mg11 күн бұрын
Trick to get clever people to comment on the video.
@Khanstant11 күн бұрын
@@KhanstantYou win the KZhead comment section today 😂😊
@Average_Ohio_Citizen_11 күн бұрын
Plus the photos of Titanic
@MADmosche11 күн бұрын
All of his thumbnails aren't relevant to his videos. Look through them
@jerahmysmith445911 күн бұрын
I ask myself same question 🤣
@martindk441711 күн бұрын
From all the sub rescue videos I’ve watch, it always takes ages and many attempts to rescue people.. I think subs need like a weeks worth of baralime and triple redundancy fans for that system.. it always takes at least a day or 2 or 3 to finally rescue a sub…
@difdaf43611 күн бұрын
What was the point of the people going down in the dive compartment? They can’t see much and they weren’t planning to dive (indeed they declined to dive even when it could have saved their lives).
@davidwright571911 күн бұрын
And all for a basket full of fish that meant absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
@76biggdogg11 күн бұрын
A man showing off to his son.
@lukienman10 күн бұрын
Nice I was there in Key West on the Naval base I was about 6 yrs old and remember seeing that sub on the deck of the ship. After they retrieved it from the wreck. Great video
@patrickpierce320111 күн бұрын
This happened fifty years ago. The rescue equipment and methods described in the video were the best available at the time.
@erintyres36097 күн бұрын
The CO2 scrubber : But ... ive worked for days in freezing temperatures !!!!!
@jfh66711 күн бұрын
All in the name of counting fish! Tragic.
@craigk545210 күн бұрын
most times with episodes you do on folks stuck under water, i'm more upset at the mistakes that were made than scared or something. this event, every time the Tringa had to reposition or another setback added another hour, it just terrified me. i'm glad two of them were able to make it. many thanks as always.
@herzogsbuick11 күн бұрын
I think sometimes stuff goes wrong in a series in a single event, is fate saying "not today" and we should give whatever were trying to do a go another time.
@jed-henrywitkowski647011 күн бұрын
@@jed-henrywitkowski6470 Or (which is more likely) there were dozens of mistakes made over the years and never fixed. On all sides.
@alexturnbackthearmy19077 күн бұрын
I've heard this story at least half a dozen times on youtube to the point where I almost skipped this. Glad I didn't, you somehow added details and story telling that none of the others did. That's genuinely impressive. Like I could gripe about some other videos, especially ones someone like Brick Immortar covered (though, to be fair, his depth on a topic is incredible). I don't want that to sound back handed, this is genuinely impressive to me. Maybe it means nothing to you, but to me, I'm impressed.
@nexaentertainment276410 күн бұрын
Thanks, I do actually appreciate that. 👍🏻
@waterlinestories10 күн бұрын
Gripping narrative great explanation of a complex situation. Thank you! RIP those who lost their lives, and all who risked their lives in the rescue.
@gordonpeden623411 күн бұрын
Always excited for your videos! Best channel for this type of content
@LemonCamel11 күн бұрын
I love how there's a backups by design just in case because the people who built it cared enough but the operators see ones broken and decide it will be fine who needs a back up its never needed anyway and that's when you've tempted fate and your gonna regret it. If one fails what's stopping the other one failing its proof it happens don't be stupid and just get stuff fixed 99% of these diving accidents can be prevented by maintenance or if you don't feel safe just say your not doing it yeah might do your managers head in and someone else might take the risk and you lose that specific job but there's nothing they can legally do to you cant fire you or anything or if they do your better off get another place that might listen to you or you could probably file a lawsuit or rat to OSHA about it. Just take the reputation of being a pain and carry on living.
@AnythingForSouls11 күн бұрын
The scrubber in the thumbnail saved the entire crew. In space. Just googling oxygen scrubber and using the top return isn't so good for credibility.
@kurtflint6411 күн бұрын
Well spotted! :)
@cbhlde11 күн бұрын
Looks like the one in Apollo 13 made from.scrap in space 😂 noticed myself from 1st glance 😂😂
@Will-dn9dq11 күн бұрын
I don't need other people to decide stuff for me all the time, but should I stop watching this guy? I see comments pointing out issues on all his videos, some of the minor, some of them not, and worry that I dismiss them too quickly being stuck in a sunk cost fallacy. I have probably seen every video this guy has put out, and do not want to walk away with an incorrect assessment of any situation, much less one that has cost lives.
@thedemolitionmuniciple11 күн бұрын
You find a picture of a submersible CO2 scrubber then. One that you can freely use in a for profit video. It's not exactly a stock photo you can go and buy the rights to. It's good enough and at least it's a real photo and not some AI creation.
@MadJustin711 күн бұрын
@@thedemolitionmunicipleim starting to wonder myself.
@MOcamping121211 күн бұрын
Love the music that starts around 14:30, does a great job conveying the mood reminds me of the start of The Shining
@vicvinegar767111 күн бұрын
I see Waterline Stories has a new upload and I immediately grab a sweet tea and a hot meal for my own personal enjoyment for the day!! Best YT channel ever !! 🇷🇺🇬🇧🏴🇺🇸🇷🇺
@SovietMOB11 күн бұрын
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@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
You've started adding " NOISE " in the background - Please don't .
@philbunston966311 күн бұрын
Great video. Very informative and well presented. Keep it up 👍
@robbielime847711 күн бұрын
Thanks
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
1.6 bar partial pressure of oxygen isn't quite as dramatic as you make it sound, I know divers who regularly breathe 1.6 bar during decompression, and some even do that during the active part of a dive. That should not have prevented them from going outside to free the vessel. The fact that the gas they brought is not suitable for the depth they are diving to is frankly simply stupid. I know divers who regularly dive to 100m depth (even inside caves) using rebreathers. Sending divers on surface supply gear is also incredibly stupid. Everything that happened is a massive disregard of common sense, safety engineering and procedures, and incredibly poor planning.
@tonfleuren353611 күн бұрын
Yay! Always glad to see a new upload!
@762Super11 күн бұрын
Great story, but also horrific. Originally, I was wondering why the rising air pressure inside couldn't just be vented to the water outside until I realized that the exterior water was under even more pressure. Too bad they can't just put an air fitting on the outside so that it could be connected to an air hose running to the surface.
@ChaplainDaveSparks11 күн бұрын
Your in a submersible you smell something electrical burning you go up, period full stop straight up as quickly as you safely can
@edwardmyers87827 күн бұрын
You can always tell who’s dead and who survived by the photos alone
@rundllx3228Күн бұрын
Didn't realize the Titanic wreck was off the coast of Florida.
@RonGyver133710 күн бұрын
Honestly I'd rather go to space in a Boeing than more than about 20m underwater. Maybe some of that is being raised in the desert, maybe some of it's just wanting for a quick death.
@ACME_Kinetics11 күн бұрын
What a waste. These men lost theirs lives to retrieve a basket full of fish , smdh. How sad.
@76biggdogg11 күн бұрын
Maybe break away components would be a good idea on these.
@naughtiusmaximus83011 күн бұрын
4:39. LOL, the classic picture of the rigged up Apollo 13 air scrubber. Edit: already noticed by others.
@notj57126 күн бұрын
Yaaaaaas week has been made 🙌 Thank you for all the hard work it must take to bring us top-notch content every week 💙
@loobielou696511 күн бұрын
@dmacrolens11 күн бұрын
😀 thanks
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
It's like fate is actively preventing a rescue.
@erictaylor546221 сағат бұрын
Paul you make the most exciting, yet terrifying video's. I find myself holding my breath or wondering what the hell. Love listening to your voice, hope all is well. 😉❤😉❤
@beverlyreiner-baillargeon620511 күн бұрын
Thanks Beverly. Yes all good. Hope you are too
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
@@waterlinestories All's good, be safe out there Paul 😉😉
@beverlyreiner-baillargeon620511 күн бұрын
bro you ought to make these embeddable
@GarlTsagan11 күн бұрын
I love this channel. But the stories are heart breaking ❤
@tarnyaattwell48416 күн бұрын
I warned people about that scrubber. We don’t want no scrubs.
@youtubeletmeintoyoutube458011 күн бұрын
No, I don't want no scrub A scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me Hangin' out the passenger side Of his best friend's ride Trying to holla at me I don't want no scrub A scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me Hangin' out the passenger side Of his best friend's ride Trying to holla at me
@Average_Ohio_Citizen_11 күн бұрын
@@Average_Ohio_Citizen_ No, I don't want no scrub Hangin' out the passenger side Of his best friend's sub
@hibernianperspective618311 күн бұрын
Salt-n-Pepa puns are not authorized at this time 🚫
@Votrae11 күн бұрын
Not even Turk and J.D.? ;) Ah, you meant the Janitor - ok, now I understand. :p
@cbhlde11 күн бұрын
@@Votraedid you really just say salt n Pepa? TLC BRO ITS TLC!
@Weird_but_neat11 күн бұрын
from what he says, I'd say it wasn't the CO2 scrubber that killed anyone. The broken scrubber fan was in the cockpit and they survived fine by basically pulling a bit of an apollo 13 with the scrubber media. If anything, the "passengers" died because their compartment was aluminum and got too cold for the scrubber material to work properly. They were also dressed improperly (despite being warned) and refused to attempt to exit the sub and try to remedy the problem even when their own compartment was at equal pressure for the depth and would have afforded them no extra risk by that point. We all get lax with things we've done a bunch of times, and it was this laxness by the two in the rear chamber (because they weren't planning to dive) that ultimately sealed their fate.
@akefayamenay1044 күн бұрын
Jeez. The ocean wasn't even trying hard on that one. Scary.
@XtianApi19 сағат бұрын
"..they needed better help, which brings us to the sponsor of todays show. Better Help,..."
@dominicwaghorn645911 күн бұрын
10 Atmospheres.... I can't believe they didn't want to just go for the dive. There just wasnt a way to reach them in time. It's tragic. I wonder if anyone had directly communicated the absoluteness of the math. Another excellent video. Thank you. May they rest in peace.
@bearb1asting10 күн бұрын
Why is one of the pics of the C02 Scrubber the pic from Apollo Space Capsule Co2 Scrubber they had to retrofit after the explosion that damaged their o2 supply. (That square box with tap on it was the fix NASA came up with and that picture is just mirror image of the picture taken in 1970's ) (Also Later the pic of large container with white liquid is from Stargate - Universe (tv series) )
@tbas874111 күн бұрын
Seems like there should be better systems for keeping people alive considering that every rescue attempt always takes an eternity longer than the air supply.
@ryelor12310 күн бұрын
"They're on the north side of the Berry." Shows bow of the Titanic. Okay, so you didn't have a photo of the bow of the Berry. Dude, we woulda let you slide on that. Enough with those Tieffintanic images, lol.
@thomasbell70336 күн бұрын
I myself almost killed a crew of three, while they were going into a deep dive down to 6000-feet, but had to abort at about 2000-feet. I had designed an underwater lamp/light controller, to allow dimming of 1000watt lamps, since they were too bright in many undersea applications. Unfortunately, the controller box was placed directly under an oil pressure line, which was leaking an dripping hydraulic fluid onto the box. The oil hit a couple of electrical components, reduced their heat transfer capacity, and resulted in hydraulic fluid being burned and vaporized. The crew thought they had an internal fire, donned breather masks, and emergency surfaced. Nonetheless, it took them 20+minutes to surface and get fresh air into this submersible. Had they been down at maximum depths, they probably would have run out of breathable air. The investigation cleared me, but the vehicle was rebuilt, to allow a full rise from 6000+feet, with full additional air/mix, and without heaters working, if electrical power was lost...
@brunonikodemski24208 күн бұрын
So compancy and huburis killed them. The fan not working should have prompted a repair so you have 2 fans that way if that one failed you wouldn't be screwed. Two fan systems like this are NOT that complex if the men were able to open the panel locate the problem and even cobble together a replacement by using the scrubber material in front of the AC unit. They should have kept a few extra fans in a storage bin so they could hot swap the broken one out. Second this sub has a design flaw, there's no heater unit. They died because temps fell too low for the scrubbers to work, they should have had a small space heater or some type of heating unit onboard for this occasion lastly The divers were complacent and got themselves killed by NOT wearing their dive gear and only went in with t-shirts and shorts wtf? that was stupid. They'd be alive if they didn't do such a stupid thing because when pressed about diving they could have gotten out of the sub and used their hand tools to free the ship OR use the oxygen tanks attached to their suits to slowly surface themselves. Let this be a lesson to everyone that does a dangerous job that requires you wear PPE ALWAYS WEAR IT better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. If they brought their suits they'd be alive right now
@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA4 күн бұрын
Am i only one think well just blow out your breathe into the filter? Swing it around so air flows etc? Grab 3 hoses tape to it an everyone csn breath in nose out mouth? Seriously odd marine diving doesnt use marines thinking of improvise or dont go home Edit 15:17 he did improvise! Shirt filled w scrubber material held over a ac vent
@Will-dn9dq11 күн бұрын
i really wish there wasn’t so much bad stock and obviously unrelated footage in these videos. if you don’t have footage it’s ok. and if you’re using something else as an example label it. but seeing the bow of the titanic, the diver with tanks fighting the current as you talk about how they have umbelicals was bad but then showing a clapped out ww2 submarine for the USS amberjack that was supposedly on the way to help???? did anyone review that???
@tarwater12345611 күн бұрын
Wow, this highlights the incompetence I see every single day in the world around me as an adult. When younger, I thought adults were at least somewhat competent. Now, I shudder at the idea of my life being in the hands of another adult.
@ouroesa4 күн бұрын
at first it sounded like the diving compartment had more air (like 60 vs 40h) I didn't totally understand what went wrong there, something about temp?
@jeebusk11 күн бұрын
I wonder if of the two people that died had a rebreather that was designed to take Gases from the pressurised vessel through CO2 scrubber and excel directly back into the vessel Because they’re at the same pressure they should be able to inhale gases through the scrubber and exhale the gases back into the vessel over and over again without having to have the complicated lung structures that normal rebreather have I feel like that would be much simpler setup than what a conventional reverb would need Or even just simply adding to standard rebreather for each person that should give them an extra 24 hours each But the two things I suggested seem like pretty simple and cheap options for masterfully extending the survival type But I’m definitely not expert. I’ve just pondering possible options that could make the situations safer. I almost certainly probably wrong because I’m as I said not an expert. It is a very tragic loss of these individuals which I hope with further improvements of safety can be prevented Even though I feel like my comments are probably not useful but just sometimes thoughts from outside of the field Can give some interesting new ideas
@jameslochhead595011 сағат бұрын
Photos of the titanic. Very accurate. Good job
@user-zf1xr5jw5c6 күн бұрын
Why did you use the improvised scrubber made aboard Apollo 13 as your thumbnail image?
@SynchroScore11 күн бұрын
Because he is a KZheadr and accuracy does not matter to his audience.
@pibyte11 күн бұрын
@@pibyte It matters to some audiences. I know a good number of KZheadrs (myself included) who pride themselves on accuracy on their videos, to the point of voluntarily making corrections. I'm guessing that might have been the first return in a Google image search. The image has now been changed.
@SynchroScore11 күн бұрын
Ships Crew ghost were saying leave us alone. … sadly.
@rogerpartner26487 күн бұрын
Why didn't they just make a new fish trap?
@samsngdevice51037 күн бұрын
A good intended comment to creator… Stories are awesome and your story telling is also good but videos are a bit mehhh. As someone who goes into great detail to explain all the technicalities you should not be using out of context images and videos unless totally unnecessary. There is a limited amount of this unfaithful events so don’t rush making a ton of videos a year. Better make a few with good production rather than many with out of context images and storyline where half of it is your imagination. If there are no enough records for a detailed story, just skip it.
@bogdanmarkovic11 күн бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate the thought.
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
After watching the rest of the video, I'm struck at how many times the rescue attempts were aborted when, if the initial dive was aborted in the first place, everyone could have survived.
@thenorseman89645 күн бұрын
love your storytelling style
@Tgspartnership11 күн бұрын
Thanks👌🏻
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
Great video, a shame the comments are full of nit pickers griping about the thumbnail.
@Madhouse_Media11 күн бұрын
In my mind at least he didn't use ai generated trash for the thumbnail. Just a picture of an oxygen scrubber.
@l-l11 күн бұрын
Mark of a good video, when the thumbnail is drawing the most attention
@MarkkuS6 күн бұрын
How stressful must this have been in real time? My heart was thumping from only 31 minutes and 37 seconds of it….. sad story 😢 but glad there wasn’t a total loss of life ….. bitter sweet.
@delilahboa8 күн бұрын
This is the risk of easy routine operations ... eventually people get complacent and then something as stupid as a cheap fan working or not becomes the difference between life and death. They should have only used the sub after it was in full working order. Furthermore, they should have had a diver onboard who could go outside to untangle and fix stuff when needed instead of having regular passengers. Also, with such an operation they should have had a rover as well that could perform basic stuff like cut a wire and such. Last ... I assume those kinds of Coast Guard rescues aren't that standard and to their credit they did a lot of logistic work to get multiple options on scene ... but ... damn. They lost lots of hours fumbling.
@timothyds745357 минут бұрын
A lot of the stock footage/pictures in here have nothing to do with the incident in question, or even diving in general. It would be really neat to put some sort of a caption indicating what the picture is of (titanic, ISS, apollo 13 CO2 scrubber, etc.) to make it a bit easier to keep track of what's going on.
@AlexForencich4 күн бұрын
5 hours to dispatch the navy vessel?
@PD-we8vf22 сағат бұрын
Thats the wonkiest CO2 scrubber I've ever seen!
@brianserrica11685 күн бұрын
The music mix was a little too loud for me compared to your voice. It's hard to hear you over the music.
@zlm0019 күн бұрын
God forbid ever hooking up a bicycle pump to the filter...
@AngryHateMusic11 күн бұрын
Thanks!!
@dmacrolens11 күн бұрын
Hate to be that guy, but that's the wrong USS Amberjack pictured at 26:17 That's The USS Amberjack SS219, which was sunk by the Japanese in 1943. Pretty sure unless they sent a ghost ship the actual sub sent was the USS Amberjack SS522. 😆
@matthewcohen35219 күн бұрын
Love your videos. Top quality every time 👏
@roryoconnor141111 күн бұрын
Thanks👍🏻
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
Man i love your content. I appreciate your videos as they help me understand what the situation looked like, i understand that sometimes u have to use pics that are similar to the object your speaking about because there may not be pics of the actual object in question. I could care less if its not the " actual " object at least i get a close visual reference. Thnk you good sir.
@loki3loki96911 күн бұрын
Thanks, I really appreciate that 👍🏻
@waterlinestories11 күн бұрын
You do an excellent job at describing these technical issues underwater for us laypeople to understand. Question: Can you also convert the temps into Fahrenheit for us Americans to understand? Celsius is foreign to us. Lol. Nice haircut by the way too!
@shlonek11 күн бұрын
Celsius is really easy. Water freezes at 0°C and boils at 100°C at 1 atmosphere pressure, instead of -32°F and 212°F.
@TonyRule10 күн бұрын
Larry, Curly and Moe should not have coordinated this rescue mission.
@bluemeanie63952 күн бұрын
If divers could get close, but not all of the way, why not use a weighted container to drop more beryllium to the vessel early on? Divers could have gotten close enough that they could get it close enough to the vessel and then they could have performed a short lockout dive to pick it up and take back in? This could have allowed for a longer time for rescue to be performed.
@DarkWolfsDen8 күн бұрын
Pilot's error‼️Couldn't even steer the damn thing‼️
@outdoorcoaching7 күн бұрын
A diver friend of mine offered a simple job. Building a sort of breeze block wall with water proof cement. Only 150ft. No worry’s. No tanks air to the surface. One of the guys died Some metal bracing pinched one of the lines he was getting narcocis monoxide ?? Surely they tried to talk no response pulled him up with decomp timings he was brain dead. £450 build a wall underwater . Lost his life. Sounds simple. 28yr old guy. Kid on the way. Under water dangerous trapped under tree roots wires etc etc. problem you got 2 mins. That’s why I’d never CAVE DIVE them people are nutters.
I'm not going on a sub that's covered in hooks, and cables, and loops of steel like a damn giant piece of velcro to wreck site.
They should have just called it "The Snag O' Matic"
I’m not going on a sub.
Multifunctionality comes at a cost in development and dare I say at a price in use.
I’m beginning to think that professional diving is a dangerous business.
You and me both 😨
It seems a bit like riding a motorbike on a 0.5m wide I-beam 500m up in the air at 100m/s between two cliffs. Technically doable, but you have to be 1000% switched on from the first stage of planning right up until you're safely at the other end. Or, y'know... you die. If you're cave diving, add to this night time with only your headlight to light the way, random bends in said I-beam, and the cliffs are far enough apart that you're at the very edge of your fuel capacity. If you're rescue cave diving, add rain, narrow the beam to 0.2m... Yeh, not exactly the safest of jobs.
What gives you that idea? 🫣/sarcasm
Who wouod have thought having to rely on fairly old tech to be in an atmosphere that you shouldn't be in would be dangerous....
That's why we get big Bucks for it..and chick's love a good diver. 😂
That fan is the smell he had earlier, a fan normally gets an electrical smell before it fails. What they did wrong, They did not abort the mission the second they smelled an electrical problem
Critical fans should be replaced on a schedule.
@@naughtiusmaximus830 no, new parts fail more often than working parts could add an hour limit workload
@@GrandDukeMushroom A burn in would be ideal.
Redundancy probably better. Fans are pretty compact these days. I deal with burnt out power supplies from when the fan fails if you want my “take”.
what is needed is back up fans
I'm a commercial diver who's been following you for a couple of years. I don't often say anything but I appreciate what you do and I always give your videos a like. In particular, if you don't know certain details like in this video, you say so. That's honesty and I appreciate that. Your admissions that you don't know every detail inspires trust, not mistrust. Keep up the great work.👍 The thorough dissection you've done of the events in this tragedy is top-shelf. Your channel is a useful learning resource for anyone working underwater at + 1 atmospheric pressure. There are things to be learned on your channel, even by an old veteran like myself.
Thanks mate. It's really encouraging to hear from a professional. I'm having to learn about humility and it's great to see that it's recognised.
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your comment. I’m not a diver, but a professional pilot. I’ve flown a lot and instructed a lot and have always tried to be humble and realize someone else may know something I don’t. It is a sign of strength, not weakness, to say “I don’t know” rather than to build a decision on false information or misunderstandings. Much respect and thanks again.
@@HEDGE1011 Thank you so much. I subscribe to a couple of ATC/pilot channels. I find pilot/ATC interactions interesting - sometimes tragic, sometimes funny, and sometimes just downright interesting. In spite of the fact that I'm a nervous flyer and I get scared when I stand on a chair to change a lightbulb, I think there are definite similarities between our two professions. Have a plan. One needs the temperament. You need to be level-headed, and not prone to panic. When all hell is breaking loose you need to keep your wits about you. That has saved my life. Keep your equipment in good working order. Not having your equipment in good working order is your fault. Being injured or killed due to poor equipment is avoidable. Drugs and alcohol can kill you, and probably in your case, others too. I think we probably share all of those traits and more. Thanks again. 👍
@@waterlinestories Great video ! Well done. Just for the info, those tanks are usually 12 or 15 liter tanks filled at 200 bars or up to 300 bars (depending on metal - aluminium vs steel). From a french prof. diver, always a real pleasure to watch your videos.
awesome of you as a professional saying that more people like you are needed in this world
Trapped in a cage of metal slowly suffocating must be so demoralizing knowing you can’t really do anything about it other than wait and try and stay conscious while rescuers struggle to reach you in the depths
You know what I've already had two panic attacks today, maybe I'll skip this one
@sarasmr4278 3's a charm
@@sarasmr4278 Yeeaaah back when I had anxiety problems I could not watch anything like this. Just honestly skip it, even if it sounds interesting. Keep it together and I hope it gets better mate.
Well they could've just figured out how to use the tried and true "Byford Dolphin" method.
@whatevernamegoeshere3644 much appreciated 💜 I had a recent scare -- turned out fine, but things are all stirred up. I had a panic attack on the climbing wall for the first time today and I sat there in my harness and did my breathing and told myself I was absolutely fine and then I finished the bloody climb so now I am officially a badass thank you very much. ;)
In my diving days we called that style of clip a "suicide hook".
In 1985, I declined a very generous offer of employment as an underwater pipe welder. I talked to several people that told me horror stories from their time in that field. The pay, although quite substantial, was not enough for me. I nearly died several times during large land based pipe jobs. I later decided to join the U.S. Navy. I think I made the right decision. RIP to all those lost.
indeed you did!
Holy crap. My uncle very nearly got me started in this industry, and never once warned me. Was he just trying to get a replacement!? Jesus I love the ocean and I find diving so interesting, but I'm honestly glad I stayed away from it. I don't trust myself to not panic, even though I've been through some high pressure emergency situations and done well... being underwater changed all of that. 0 control over your fate.
I met an underwater pipe welder that had been in the gig for 40 years. They had to make new plaques for him every 5 years of service because nobody had ever survived that long. He always told me that safety was the absolute priority in these dire conditions.
Never skip repairs, always have a backup system/plan. And if a more experienced crew member says grab a jacket/food/whatever, DO IT! So many of these incidents could be avoided, or not as severe, if people took logical precautions.
Seems like for something like CO2 scrubbers, they should at least have one that's hand cranked considering that mechanical and electrical systems aren't that reliable.
@@ryelor123 Any system is unreliable if you actively choose not to address faults.
It is frustrating when you consider the billions the armed forces spend yet frequently their fancy equipment doesn't work when needed. Notice how no progress was made until a commercial salvage vehicle showed up.
It amazes me just how many people disregard procedures for safety - especially when the procedure is meant to save lives.
Agreed! Knowing one scrubber was faulty, declaring it out loud, and then continuing anyway... It's amazing how quickly people can normalise a hostile environment, and let basic safety standards slip.
There is a reason why safety protocols exist. They are for your safety. If you disregard them you effectively sign away your life in the event of an accident. Good job 👏
That's the problem. They didn't have any safety protocols. No need for a full inspection prior to launch. No need to repair faulty to life support systems before launch. No need to wear diving suits when riding down in the dive compartment. They simply didn't care in the first place. Now the recent Titan sub implosion, that was pure negligence. Which, in my opinion, is even worse than ignorance.
The thumbnail look like the air filter Contraption that Appollo 13 crew has to make
That’s because it is.
Well spotted! :)
The event occurred in 1973 and im guessing no pictures of the exact thing
Came here to say that. That's exactly what that is
but how do you fit a round peg into a square hole again? some duct tape and the cover of the flight manual, right?
How come every single underwater rescue is plagued with crap not working on the rescue equipment.
Because it’s never used in anger until it is
Lack of maintenance and professionalism.
Because sea farers secretly identify as fish and believe they don't need it!
Goes to show you how likely a Space rescue will be successful!
@@michaelreid2329 Space Travel is much easier than Deep Sea Travel. Hardest part is getting the rocket to space at 28,000 MPH+
Albert Stover is a paternal relative who died shortly before I was born, and until recently I had no idea what happened. It's especially eerie because I've always had a deathly fear of suffocation and deep water for as long as I can remember, even as a small child; yet was also obsessed with Caribbean shipwrecks. But I grew up in the Midwest pretty far away from oceans & shipwrecks, so.... 🤷♂️
That's wild.
I have watched every video of yours, and for some reason, this one felt hard to watch. From the 'eh' of overlooking the broken scrubber, to the 'suicide hook', to the many failed rescue attempts. Just heartbreaking for the two gents in the dive compartment.
Two guys in the dive compartment should have done the lockout dive when they had the chance. Never pass up any chance to get out in these situations. People have a tendency to down play how bad situations are, we need to learn from these mistakes. If you are ever in a life or death situation you must recognize your few options to make it out as they arise
It sounds like they were suffering from hypothermia, so their ability to free the Sealink from the cable would have been very difficult, especially wearing just shorts and t shirts. The partial pressure of the oxygen at 1.62 might have killed them anyway. If you are thinking of ascending to the surface, that would be out of the question. From 100 meters they would have to do a decompression ascent like the navy divers. That would be impossible without the proper diving equipment.
I'm confused,we're there wetsuits to perform a lockout dive? R.I.P. but they didn't show respect for task and the pilots advice to dress properly.It just seems strange to be so nonchalant. How much did this rescue cost?
Totally agree. Been in some crazy situations and had to act quick, I remember questioning myself for a minute and saying fuck it and did something I didn't think was going to work. If I didn't make the move I did then there's a good chance I wouldn't still be existing.
@@boathousejoed1126 Yeah as a recreational diver myself, it seems crazy that it spiraled out of control so fast at 300' depth. I would have thought there would be a technical diver or two on the support vessel who could dive down 300' and feet and untangle them with a Trimix setup. They could have been down there in like 10 minutes. Sure it would probably be many hours of deco stops depending on how long they took to untangle it and require quite a few tanks of Trimix. But with the cost of that underwater vessel you would think you would have some sort of rescue plan in place in case something went wrong.
I don't think they even realized they were in a life-or-death situation until it was too late to perform the lockout dive. In hindsight, they obviously should have attempted it despite the risk. They made the fatal assumption that help would arrive long before they depleted their oxygen supply, making it seem like a lockout dive was an unnecessary risk that could potentially make their situation even worse.
I don't think the scrubber killed them. Seems like time is what killed them. They had no plan or way to survive for being at that depth for that amount of time. Also it was never clear why the men were in the diving compartment in the first place. Was there any purpose for them going down along with the 2 pilots?
The problem is the sheer incompetence of the Coast Guard. If you look into the incident more, it is just obvious that they didn't even need to go there, they were useless and repeatedly failed to get to the submersible because of their lack of organization.
Funsies
That's essentially saying the same thing. Scrubbers don't have infinite capacity. There's only so much CO2 they can absorb. And the scrubbing ability slows with time as the active material is used up. So saying it was the scrubber or saying it was the time, is really the same thing, although saying it is the scrubber makes it sound like it was a catastrophic failure, rather than the inevitable one.
Good lord, I don't think I've seen a case covered on this channel that saw so many unforeseen complications
Nope, it was one thing after next.
I don't like no scrubs. A scrub is a thing that can't get no love from me.
First impression: You’d think that a standard bit of “emergency equipment” would be some sort of simple bellows that could be fitted to the “fan” end of the scrubber and physically operated by the crew in the event of a fan failure or even a power failure. Edit: Second impression: Why aren’t there divers on the support ship? That’s so insane to me.
Keep in mind, this is the early 1970's. We were still using diving bells and pressure suits with air lines and brass helmets. We'd only known how to safely surface from a deep dive for about 50 years and only found out how to treat decompression sickness about a decade prior. The equipment needed to perform deep dives from a surface ship was prohibitively expensive for research vessels and the air supply they had access to, to pump down there would have been toxic at those depths. That's why they had to call in military divers for the rescue attempt. The USCG and USN have a comparatively limitless budget and all of the best equipment of the time already on hand. Ideally, they would have forced anyone in the dive compartment to be ready to leave the compartment in case they needed to address some external issue on the sub, rather than letting them dive in shorts and a t-shirt. "Better to have it and not need it", type of scenario. Unfortunately, they fell on the "need it and not have it" side of that saying. On your first point, a hand cranked fan with gear reduction MIGHT have worked, but the work you'd put in to pumping bellows would increase your CO2 output more than the benefit you'd gain from increased flow through the absorption medium. It would have been more prudent to repair the redundant systems prior to launch and add a resistive heating element on the intake that would have kicked on if the temperature fell near to the minimum effective temperature.
@@dhawthorne1634 - Well said! Thank you for such a thorough and thoughtful response. I agree with your “have it and not need it” SOP being the actual way this emergency could have been averted; having divers in the aft compartment who were ready and able to exit the vehicle to free it from the entanglement is the way. Coming from an aerospace background, I sometimes lose sight of the fact that deep-sea diving is such a recent development and a discipline whose techniques and technologies were driven by government agencies in the same was that space activity was. In so many ways, the deep ocean is a more challenging environment than space. Anyway, thanks again for your insight.
Why not have backup oxygen candles? They were invented in 1945 so they should be good during this time period. Sure they burn super hot... but when freezing with little O2 you might like the temperature increase.
@@ViroMad My guess is because of either cost, stowage or toxicity. They are still rather expensive today. My guess would be a military-only thing back then. They are rather bulky and require a dedicated burn chamber; which a small, deep-dive research vessel couldn't afford the space for. They are meant to be used in larger subs with lower internal pressure and a higher volume of air; which would run you into the same issue of oxygen toxicity as using the inappropriate diving gas that they had on board.
This shows the difficulty of conducting rescue operations at only 100m depth. My mind flashes to a certain tourist DSV operating near the Titanic, at about 3,500m. If it had gotten stuck on the seafloor with all alive, imagine how much longer it would take to mount a rescue. I don't think the DSV's reserve oxygen would have lasted long enough. -- Deep sea construction divers have suits they can put on to preserve body warmth for as long as possible. This vessel appeared to have nothing of the sort. I'm thinking they would have found them useful.
It's click-bait-ish to say "this CO2 scrubber killed these men". The scrubber worked exactly ss designed. The CO2 absorber material worked exactly as expected. The air temp dropped more than predicted, faster than predicted, and nobody thought of a way to warm the CO2 absorbent THAT'S what killed everyone.
I see what you're saying, but the CO2 scrubber was faultily designed... or else the temp wouldn't have led it to stop scrubbing CO2. Also the fan stopping didn't help either.
It's faulty because the scrubber doesn't have a heater in it.
@@youtubehandlesux The lack of some sort of pre-heater not the same as "faulty". It's an unfortunate design choice with terrible consequences, but that's not the same as "broken." They just never thought of the chamber might get that cold.
I recognized that square scrubber. That was from Apollo 13. It was the jury rigged way they fit the LEM scrubber filters to the command modules round filter compartment.
Slight issue with your thumbnail its the scrubber from Apollo 13 it did the exact opposite from what you say it saved the entire crew and enabled their return to earth safely it's one of the greatest emergency engineering improviseings in history
Seconded, this really needs to be fixed.
What is up with all these negative comments on a well done video? Jeez people, get a life.
It took us 60,000,000 years to get out of the ocean. STOP TRYING TO GO BACK!
This reminded me of a Randy Feltface joke. "You know, when sharks eat people it's fucked; but it shits me how they immediately go out and kill the shark, like: 'It's gone rogue! It's gone rogue!' "No it hasn't! It's just doing what millions of years of evolution have programed it to do; fucking, swim around eating shit. "'Yeah, but... It came into our bit. This is our bit of the ocean'. "Wha? No. See that bit there, the big, fuckin' wet bit. That's it's bit. "This bit here, this dry bit, that you're standing on WITH YOUR LEGS; you're legs that have evolved to stand on the dry bit. That's you're bit. "You go into it's bit, you're going to GET bit. That's the lesson."
Tell that to whales and dolphins, who came up on to land, went "fuck this" and got back in the ocean.
Why does it always seem that "Should be a Simple Procedure" never ends up being a Simple Procedure.
Because of something that's best described as safety creep. The more often you do procedures, the less dangerous those procedures seem to become and therefore many people get casual with safety procedures. This trip to retrieve that fish trap should have been a breeze and it was, until the unforeseeable happened. And even then it should have been survivable, if not for the very casual disregard of procedures and safety measures, especially by the two men in the diving compartment. Had they been properly dressed and prepared to make an emergency dive if necessary, all of them would probably have survived.
That exact phrase, figuratively, hit me at work today. Changing encoder backup batteries in a Fanuc robot arm. Should take 5 minutes in theory; remove 7 easily accessible screws, pop off a cover, extract 2 battery packs, unplug, plug and slide in 2 new packs, attach cover. In practice, the cover was so stuck on to the robot that we couldnt work it loose. More than 30 minutes later with 2 people, numerous tools and a bit of violence we gave up as not to damage the robot or the cover.
Idiots. That's why. Either in the creation, maintaining or operating or all.
Complacency.
Why were the divers even there, when no dive was planned?
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@@waterlinestories The way you tell their stories, sometimes I feel claustrophobic, the cave diving stories truly give this affect!! Any loss of life is sad.
Nice picture of the Titanic's bow matey
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Just wondering why the thumbnail is the lithium hydroxide canister from Apollo 13?
Trick to get clever people to comment on the video.
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Plus the photos of Titanic
All of his thumbnails aren't relevant to his videos. Look through them
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From all the sub rescue videos I’ve watch, it always takes ages and many attempts to rescue people.. I think subs need like a weeks worth of baralime and triple redundancy fans for that system.. it always takes at least a day or 2 or 3 to finally rescue a sub…
What was the point of the people going down in the dive compartment? They can’t see much and they weren’t planning to dive (indeed they declined to dive even when it could have saved their lives).
And all for a basket full of fish that meant absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
A man showing off to his son.
Nice I was there in Key West on the Naval base I was about 6 yrs old and remember seeing that sub on the deck of the ship. After they retrieved it from the wreck. Great video
This happened fifty years ago. The rescue equipment and methods described in the video were the best available at the time.
The CO2 scrubber : But ... ive worked for days in freezing temperatures !!!!!
All in the name of counting fish! Tragic.
most times with episodes you do on folks stuck under water, i'm more upset at the mistakes that were made than scared or something. this event, every time the Tringa had to reposition or another setback added another hour, it just terrified me. i'm glad two of them were able to make it. many thanks as always.
I think sometimes stuff goes wrong in a series in a single event, is fate saying "not today" and we should give whatever were trying to do a go another time.
@@jed-henrywitkowski6470 Or (which is more likely) there were dozens of mistakes made over the years and never fixed. On all sides.
I've heard this story at least half a dozen times on youtube to the point where I almost skipped this. Glad I didn't, you somehow added details and story telling that none of the others did. That's genuinely impressive. Like I could gripe about some other videos, especially ones someone like Brick Immortar covered (though, to be fair, his depth on a topic is incredible). I don't want that to sound back handed, this is genuinely impressive to me. Maybe it means nothing to you, but to me, I'm impressed.
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Gripping narrative great explanation of a complex situation. Thank you! RIP those who lost their lives, and all who risked their lives in the rescue.
Always excited for your videos! Best channel for this type of content
I love how there's a backups by design just in case because the people who built it cared enough but the operators see ones broken and decide it will be fine who needs a back up its never needed anyway and that's when you've tempted fate and your gonna regret it. If one fails what's stopping the other one failing its proof it happens don't be stupid and just get stuff fixed 99% of these diving accidents can be prevented by maintenance or if you don't feel safe just say your not doing it yeah might do your managers head in and someone else might take the risk and you lose that specific job but there's nothing they can legally do to you cant fire you or anything or if they do your better off get another place that might listen to you or you could probably file a lawsuit or rat to OSHA about it. Just take the reputation of being a pain and carry on living.
The scrubber in the thumbnail saved the entire crew. In space. Just googling oxygen scrubber and using the top return isn't so good for credibility.
Well spotted! :)
Looks like the one in Apollo 13 made from.scrap in space 😂 noticed myself from 1st glance 😂😂
I don't need other people to decide stuff for me all the time, but should I stop watching this guy? I see comments pointing out issues on all his videos, some of the minor, some of them not, and worry that I dismiss them too quickly being stuck in a sunk cost fallacy. I have probably seen every video this guy has put out, and do not want to walk away with an incorrect assessment of any situation, much less one that has cost lives.
You find a picture of a submersible CO2 scrubber then. One that you can freely use in a for profit video. It's not exactly a stock photo you can go and buy the rights to. It's good enough and at least it's a real photo and not some AI creation.
@@thedemolitionmunicipleim starting to wonder myself.
Love the music that starts around 14:30, does a great job conveying the mood reminds me of the start of The Shining
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You've started adding " NOISE " in the background - Please don't .
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1.6 bar partial pressure of oxygen isn't quite as dramatic as you make it sound, I know divers who regularly breathe 1.6 bar during decompression, and some even do that during the active part of a dive. That should not have prevented them from going outside to free the vessel. The fact that the gas they brought is not suitable for the depth they are diving to is frankly simply stupid. I know divers who regularly dive to 100m depth (even inside caves) using rebreathers. Sending divers on surface supply gear is also incredibly stupid. Everything that happened is a massive disregard of common sense, safety engineering and procedures, and incredibly poor planning.
Yay! Always glad to see a new upload!
Great story, but also horrific. Originally, I was wondering why the rising air pressure inside couldn't just be vented to the water outside until I realized that the exterior water was under even more pressure. Too bad they can't just put an air fitting on the outside so that it could be connected to an air hose running to the surface.
Your in a submersible you smell something electrical burning you go up, period full stop straight up as quickly as you safely can
You can always tell who’s dead and who survived by the photos alone
Didn't realize the Titanic wreck was off the coast of Florida.
Honestly I'd rather go to space in a Boeing than more than about 20m underwater. Maybe some of that is being raised in the desert, maybe some of it's just wanting for a quick death.
What a waste. These men lost theirs lives to retrieve a basket full of fish , smdh. How sad.
Maybe break away components would be a good idea on these.
4:39. LOL, the classic picture of the rigged up Apollo 13 air scrubber. Edit: already noticed by others.
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It's like fate is actively preventing a rescue.
Paul you make the most exciting, yet terrifying video's. I find myself holding my breath or wondering what the hell. Love listening to your voice, hope all is well. 😉❤😉❤
Thanks Beverly. Yes all good. Hope you are too
@@waterlinestories All's good, be safe out there Paul 😉😉
bro you ought to make these embeddable
I love this channel. But the stories are heart breaking ❤
I warned people about that scrubber. We don’t want no scrubs.
No, I don't want no scrub A scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me Hangin' out the passenger side Of his best friend's ride Trying to holla at me I don't want no scrub A scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me Hangin' out the passenger side Of his best friend's ride Trying to holla at me
@@Average_Ohio_Citizen_ No, I don't want no scrub Hangin' out the passenger side Of his best friend's sub
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Not even Turk and J.D.? ;) Ah, you meant the Janitor - ok, now I understand. :p
@@Votraedid you really just say salt n Pepa? TLC BRO ITS TLC!
from what he says, I'd say it wasn't the CO2 scrubber that killed anyone. The broken scrubber fan was in the cockpit and they survived fine by basically pulling a bit of an apollo 13 with the scrubber media. If anything, the "passengers" died because their compartment was aluminum and got too cold for the scrubber material to work properly. They were also dressed improperly (despite being warned) and refused to attempt to exit the sub and try to remedy the problem even when their own compartment was at equal pressure for the depth and would have afforded them no extra risk by that point. We all get lax with things we've done a bunch of times, and it was this laxness by the two in the rear chamber (because they weren't planning to dive) that ultimately sealed their fate.
Jeez. The ocean wasn't even trying hard on that one. Scary.
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10 Atmospheres.... I can't believe they didn't want to just go for the dive. There just wasnt a way to reach them in time. It's tragic. I wonder if anyone had directly communicated the absoluteness of the math. Another excellent video. Thank you. May they rest in peace.
Why is one of the pics of the C02 Scrubber the pic from Apollo Space Capsule Co2 Scrubber they had to retrofit after the explosion that damaged their o2 supply. (That square box with tap on it was the fix NASA came up with and that picture is just mirror image of the picture taken in 1970's ) (Also Later the pic of large container with white liquid is from Stargate - Universe (tv series) )
Seems like there should be better systems for keeping people alive considering that every rescue attempt always takes an eternity longer than the air supply.
"They're on the north side of the Berry." Shows bow of the Titanic. Okay, so you didn't have a photo of the bow of the Berry. Dude, we woulda let you slide on that. Enough with those Tieffintanic images, lol.
I myself almost killed a crew of three, while they were going into a deep dive down to 6000-feet, but had to abort at about 2000-feet. I had designed an underwater lamp/light controller, to allow dimming of 1000watt lamps, since they were too bright in many undersea applications. Unfortunately, the controller box was placed directly under an oil pressure line, which was leaking an dripping hydraulic fluid onto the box. The oil hit a couple of electrical components, reduced their heat transfer capacity, and resulted in hydraulic fluid being burned and vaporized. The crew thought they had an internal fire, donned breather masks, and emergency surfaced. Nonetheless, it took them 20+minutes to surface and get fresh air into this submersible. Had they been down at maximum depths, they probably would have run out of breathable air. The investigation cleared me, but the vehicle was rebuilt, to allow a full rise from 6000+feet, with full additional air/mix, and without heaters working, if electrical power was lost...
So compancy and huburis killed them. The fan not working should have prompted a repair so you have 2 fans that way if that one failed you wouldn't be screwed. Two fan systems like this are NOT that complex if the men were able to open the panel locate the problem and even cobble together a replacement by using the scrubber material in front of the AC unit. They should have kept a few extra fans in a storage bin so they could hot swap the broken one out. Second this sub has a design flaw, there's no heater unit. They died because temps fell too low for the scrubbers to work, they should have had a small space heater or some type of heating unit onboard for this occasion lastly The divers were complacent and got themselves killed by NOT wearing their dive gear and only went in with t-shirts and shorts wtf? that was stupid. They'd be alive if they didn't do such a stupid thing because when pressed about diving they could have gotten out of the sub and used their hand tools to free the ship OR use the oxygen tanks attached to their suits to slowly surface themselves. Let this be a lesson to everyone that does a dangerous job that requires you wear PPE ALWAYS WEAR IT better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. If they brought their suits they'd be alive right now
Am i only one think well just blow out your breathe into the filter? Swing it around so air flows etc? Grab 3 hoses tape to it an everyone csn breath in nose out mouth? Seriously odd marine diving doesnt use marines thinking of improvise or dont go home Edit 15:17 he did improvise! Shirt filled w scrubber material held over a ac vent
i really wish there wasn’t so much bad stock and obviously unrelated footage in these videos. if you don’t have footage it’s ok. and if you’re using something else as an example label it. but seeing the bow of the titanic, the diver with tanks fighting the current as you talk about how they have umbelicals was bad but then showing a clapped out ww2 submarine for the USS amberjack that was supposedly on the way to help???? did anyone review that???
Wow, this highlights the incompetence I see every single day in the world around me as an adult. When younger, I thought adults were at least somewhat competent. Now, I shudder at the idea of my life being in the hands of another adult.
at first it sounded like the diving compartment had more air (like 60 vs 40h) I didn't totally understand what went wrong there, something about temp?
I wonder if of the two people that died had a rebreather that was designed to take Gases from the pressurised vessel through CO2 scrubber and excel directly back into the vessel Because they’re at the same pressure they should be able to inhale gases through the scrubber and exhale the gases back into the vessel over and over again without having to have the complicated lung structures that normal rebreather have I feel like that would be much simpler setup than what a conventional reverb would need Or even just simply adding to standard rebreather for each person that should give them an extra 24 hours each But the two things I suggested seem like pretty simple and cheap options for masterfully extending the survival type But I’m definitely not expert. I’ve just pondering possible options that could make the situations safer. I almost certainly probably wrong because I’m as I said not an expert. It is a very tragic loss of these individuals which I hope with further improvements of safety can be prevented Even though I feel like my comments are probably not useful but just sometimes thoughts from outside of the field Can give some interesting new ideas
Photos of the titanic. Very accurate. Good job
Why did you use the improvised scrubber made aboard Apollo 13 as your thumbnail image?
Because he is a KZheadr and accuracy does not matter to his audience.
@@pibyte It matters to some audiences. I know a good number of KZheadrs (myself included) who pride themselves on accuracy on their videos, to the point of voluntarily making corrections. I'm guessing that might have been the first return in a Google image search. The image has now been changed.
Ships Crew ghost were saying leave us alone. … sadly.
Why didn't they just make a new fish trap?
A good intended comment to creator… Stories are awesome and your story telling is also good but videos are a bit mehhh. As someone who goes into great detail to explain all the technicalities you should not be using out of context images and videos unless totally unnecessary. There is a limited amount of this unfaithful events so don’t rush making a ton of videos a year. Better make a few with good production rather than many with out of context images and storyline where half of it is your imagination. If there are no enough records for a detailed story, just skip it.
Thanks, I appreciate the thought.
After watching the rest of the video, I'm struck at how many times the rescue attempts were aborted when, if the initial dive was aborted in the first place, everyone could have survived.
love your storytelling style
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Great video, a shame the comments are full of nit pickers griping about the thumbnail.
In my mind at least he didn't use ai generated trash for the thumbnail. Just a picture of an oxygen scrubber.
Mark of a good video, when the thumbnail is drawing the most attention
How stressful must this have been in real time? My heart was thumping from only 31 minutes and 37 seconds of it….. sad story 😢 but glad there wasn’t a total loss of life ….. bitter sweet.
This is the risk of easy routine operations ... eventually people get complacent and then something as stupid as a cheap fan working or not becomes the difference between life and death. They should have only used the sub after it was in full working order. Furthermore, they should have had a diver onboard who could go outside to untangle and fix stuff when needed instead of having regular passengers. Also, with such an operation they should have had a rover as well that could perform basic stuff like cut a wire and such. Last ... I assume those kinds of Coast Guard rescues aren't that standard and to their credit they did a lot of logistic work to get multiple options on scene ... but ... damn. They lost lots of hours fumbling.
A lot of the stock footage/pictures in here have nothing to do with the incident in question, or even diving in general. It would be really neat to put some sort of a caption indicating what the picture is of (titanic, ISS, apollo 13 CO2 scrubber, etc.) to make it a bit easier to keep track of what's going on.
5 hours to dispatch the navy vessel?
Thats the wonkiest CO2 scrubber I've ever seen!
The music mix was a little too loud for me compared to your voice. It's hard to hear you over the music.
God forbid ever hooking up a bicycle pump to the filter...
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Hate to be that guy, but that's the wrong USS Amberjack pictured at 26:17 That's The USS Amberjack SS219, which was sunk by the Japanese in 1943. Pretty sure unless they sent a ghost ship the actual sub sent was the USS Amberjack SS522. 😆
Love your videos. Top quality every time 👏
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Man i love your content. I appreciate your videos as they help me understand what the situation looked like, i understand that sometimes u have to use pics that are similar to the object your speaking about because there may not be pics of the actual object in question. I could care less if its not the " actual " object at least i get a close visual reference. Thnk you good sir.
Thanks, I really appreciate that 👍🏻
You do an excellent job at describing these technical issues underwater for us laypeople to understand. Question: Can you also convert the temps into Fahrenheit for us Americans to understand? Celsius is foreign to us. Lol. Nice haircut by the way too!
Celsius is really easy. Water freezes at 0°C and boils at 100°C at 1 atmosphere pressure, instead of -32°F and 212°F.
Larry, Curly and Moe should not have coordinated this rescue mission.
If divers could get close, but not all of the way, why not use a weighted container to drop more beryllium to the vessel early on? Divers could have gotten close enough that they could get it close enough to the vessel and then they could have performed a short lockout dive to pick it up and take back in? This could have allowed for a longer time for rescue to be performed.
Pilot's error‼️Couldn't even steer the damn thing‼️
A diver friend of mine offered a simple job. Building a sort of breeze block wall with water proof cement. Only 150ft. No worry’s. No tanks air to the surface. One of the guys died Some metal bracing pinched one of the lines he was getting narcocis monoxide ?? Surely they tried to talk no response pulled him up with decomp timings he was brain dead. £450 build a wall underwater . Lost his life. Sounds simple. 28yr old guy. Kid on the way. Under water dangerous trapped under tree roots wires etc etc. problem you got 2 mins. That’s why I’d never CAVE DIVE them people are nutters.