At this year's Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang, we may see quad corks in Big Air Snowboarding or in Freestyle Skiing -- and we'll see quad twists and quad jumps in Figure Skating. But have we reached the limit of what's possible? To do a quad, a skater's got less than a second to turn their body four times in the air. WIRED's Robbie Gonzalez set out to find out why five...is almost impossible.
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Why It's Almost Impossible to Do a Quintuple Jump | WIRED
"so we're probably not gonna see a Quint any time soon" The moment someone says those words you know someone's going to do it
broncojonnes yeah lol
Cough cough*yuzuruhanyu*
flo parsons Lmao I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR HIS COMEBACK AND ITS DRIVING ME INSANE BC I CANT WATCH IT WHEN THEY'RE LIVE GRRRR
KS T well let me tell you.......he did not disappoint.....at all.....the guy is insane and I have no idea how he does it....
Great! Can't wait :D
there’re 13 yo girls doing quads at this point anything is possible
Ive seen a 9 yo doing a quad too!
Alexandra Trusova
@Alysa Lui
They may not be able to when they get hips. It's the physics.
@@belawood ya ikr. Some of those girls are lucky enough to keep their body though. Like there was this one girl at the four continents that we watched today and she is 18 and her body shape is very thin, so I'm not surprised she can do all her jumps lol. But yeah the body shape is very important I agree, cause sometimes it makes things more difficult/ easy than for other people.
Well according to Yuzuru Hanyu there is an athlete that could possibly jump a quint and that's Boyang Jin. He's even anticipating the day he will see Boyang Jin jump a quint. Despite what science says, Yuzu's belief in Boyang Jin is greater.
if yuzuru hanyu believed i could jump a quint, i think i could do it. the power of not wanting to disappoint yuzuru hanyu outweights everything.
Cynthia G lol same yuzu fan here
*when your belief in senpai is stronger than gravity*
Or one of the Russian juniors (now seniors) I’m willing to bet anything Alexandra Trusova will get a quint within the next couple years
@@tess9199 The problem is puberty.
They said the same thing about the quad 20 years ago
20 years ago.....
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It’s official then. They need to add ramps to figure skating.
ExplosionChimp You will not be able to freeze the water after it runs off a ramp.
RaymondHng you have to freeze it horizontally and *then* lift it, duh.
Then you will crack the sheet of ice at the foot of the ramp. Plus, the foot of the ramp will be angled corner. The toe pick or the back of the blade will just dig into the corner.
RaymondHng I've just checked on yt and it is something that exists. They said something about syntetic ice though.
LInk?
Wow, this makes me feel even more respect for people like Yuzuru Hanyu and Nathan Chen who make those quads look so effortless. It’s cool to think that when we see them skate, we’re seeing the peak of the human body’s achievements.
@themannwithaplan You've seen people do quad axels? Pleople as in plural for person? As in: several individuals? Please tell me more about that, because nobody has even TRIED a quad axel in competition yet, because it's that hard. Maybe in shows or training with more or less success, but unless it hasn't been done under competitive circumstances, it doesn't count. Land that thing in a programm and get showered with points and your name engraved into figure skating history.
redcrest5 that's so true...
I know right!!! No one ever respects figure skating. I am a figurer skater and even though I can't land quads, I can land a double axel and it is safe to say... its hard :P
1:54 Nathan Tran is Vietnamese American.
I've only seen Yuzuru Hanyu land a quad axel at a gala, and that's about it tbh.
"Why it's impossible to land a quintuple jump" Yuzu: Brian, please hold my pooh san Brian Orser: Oh sure Yuzu: **inhales** **shouts** BOYANG JIN
@@breyerhorsestudios2964 **looks at the video** **goes back and sees this video's title** Me: HAH! Also, thanks for the info
Loved that 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Brett's Hair i love your profile pic lol
Also Yuzuru landed quint toe in harness on his second try recently soo yea
twoset! xD
4:46 Just a friendly warning, don't land on one leg on a trampoline (epecially while spinning too lol) It's instinctual to do that, but on trampoline physics it's dangerous. Some chick at gymnastics told me she blew out her knee doing that.
Gymnasts are not the only one that use trampolines..
Was looking for this comment, blew my knee landing on one leg while skiing trying to do a double cork lol
i do gymnastics and i too almost blew out my knee
cant agree with you more thanks!
Oh yeah dude never do that or your just asking for it
Finally, figure skating getting the credit it deserves, so many people think it’s all about the glitter and sequins that’s just the icing on top.
perhaps because of all the jumping going on in the recent years, their component now weighs heavily on the technical score (together with other tes elements) which is the undeniable "sports-like" stuffing of figure skating, so even the most snobbish and picky audience that would otherwise say this sport lacks characteristics of an actual sport (ugh) now goes aha, uh-huh, okay. also fs has been increasingly turning into quite a thing to observe and, compared to many other sports, it's evolving at a wild pace and there's this constant element of surprise, numerous world records, etc. so panem et circenses, right. also let's just say this current figure skating generation has brought in many new fans - and many new aspiring young skaters - that's for sure. hence, viewers become invested
6Lettie9 Unfortunately those detailed numbers used to compute the total score are available on the protocol sheet that one must go online on the Internet to obtain. They are never shown on television.
"ICING on the top"
Can you heeeeeaar
Tiffany Camperos can amyone tell me the movie im think about where the guys a hockey player and turns figure skater they were practicing this
"I have learned to use the word "impossible" with great caution."- Wernher von Braun
That's why they keep the almost in the title ;)
Daniel Cooke
have you tried slamming a revolving door? It's impossible...
Not a great person to quote... Lol
Oh do tell
Video: quints are almost impossible Yuzu, Boyang Jin, Shoma Uno: I'm about to end this man's whole career
Nathan too
@@synnvelange7062 I wanted to add him to the list, but i don't know if he's ever attempted one
@@cosmic7336 Well, nathan is known as the king of quads, so it honestly wouldn't suprise me if he would attempt one
@@synnvelange7062 yep, me neither, he's crazy good
@@cosmic7336 Yuzuru has as a goal to land a quad axel, but to achieve that has also been practicing quints (he has said this in an interview). I don't think he'll attempt a quint in competition any time soon though, as he will be working on perfecting his quad axel so idk who the first to do the quint will be
Get a bit sick of how American media ignores all the other top skaters that aren’t Nathan Chen
or adam rippon lmao
They could have easily used Jason Brown, Shoma Uno, Yuzuru Hanyu, etc, but nope, always Chen.
How about Patrick Chan?
American media doesn't care at all about skaters, and now you expect them to also care about foreign skaters?
@@-superwholockin07-85 agree
my ankle just broke
twice and LOOΠΔ rule the world just watching? 😂😂
I broke my left leg on December 3rd, 2016. It broke in a spiral fracture (I was trying to twirl) when ice skating.
r u ok?
+Sorenkair ...he broke his ankle ofc he is not ok wtf
Hello fellow orbit
skating is finally being recognized as athletic.
Emily Zhao I didn’t even realise it previously wasn’t! I did watch Ice Princess as a kid though and saw how much they were training 🙊
I've heard people make light hearted jokes about ice dancing before, but never really figure skating. Even then I never met someone who thought either was easy or didn't involve athleticism. Anyone who's ever tried ice skating before can easily appreciate how ridiculously hard it would be, especially figure skating. Curling on the other hand... not too much respect form an athleticism perspective although I'm sure it takes tons of skill.
Said no one ever. Your hope of it being anything outside of an every four year attraction though? Probably not.
When was is not?
It's always been recognised as athletic, by anybody who wasn't a total idiot. If it wasn't athletic then skaters wouldn't have the bodies of athletes and those girls and guys are in ridiculous good shape.
That professor looks like he's seen about as much sleep as me.
You're right lol. He also has a high rate of blinking and his eyes are almost shut lol
took physics last year (didnt do too well in it) robbie: "conservation of angular momentum" me: *gets ptsd*
I took advanced physics in high school and got an "A," but I studied my butt off!😁
Quads have always been painful to watch since, even if you've trained so hard, you can still fail to land perfectly. Figure skaters have strenuous training to achieve that so, kudos to them.
“I was Quad King before Nathan Chen unseated me,” lol I never saw a title transfer to someone elee like that
1:54 It's Nathan Tran. He's Vietnamese.
Goofy Emoji you’re mixing the two up. Nathan Chen is an Olympic athlete, Dinh Tran is a junior Olympic athelete. Two completely different people
I stand corrected
Goofy Emoji wow you’re smart
+Goofy Emoji You saying Chinese and Vietnamese people look the same? Racist!
"We wont see a quintuple anytime soon" .... yuzuru thought otherwise 😭💓
Yep. Yuzu believes in sunshine boi Boyang Jin
Yuzu already landed a Quint toe according to his coach. His coach Ghislain said it in an interview before Skate Canada " I never thought I'd see a 5T in my coaching career" He was on a harness tho
The Jin Boyang erasure is insane.
It always seems impossible until it's done - Nelson Mandela
Hyperion Prime there ain’t black supremacy u can’t use ur whiteness and be mad when he tried to have equal rights
@@lospollosfinger8079 dude he he meant that if this quintuple thing is done it won't seem impossible, somehow found something bad in this..
@@Yafama I'm guessing there are some deleted comments?
@@robertwoodall4330 yes
The Bad Chemist u remember what he say
Those slow-mo faces are just magical
Why_are_there _no_names LMAO ikr
Watch the one on juggling 15 balls
This barely aged 4 years later... #QuadGod
Came here after watching Ilia.
Yessss Ilia is amazing!!!
For some reason, I feel like Yuzuru will want to make a quintuple jump and I believe he can do it. I mean, that man don't know the word "impossible" xDD
He is working on perfecting a quad axel with the goal of landing it in competition :)
he always make impossible things special when he meet someone grater than him.
Look at the Warriors' Steph Curry. Everybody said he couldn't be a record-breaking hoops shooter, over 2 dozen 3-pointers in one game, but he did it! And keeps on breaking records. Curry is the Michael Jordan of this generation.😎😉
today Yuzuru certified the very first 4A in competition! maybe not within his career, but some day we may see a quint!
So... Q: Why is a quintuple jump allmost impossible? A: Because a quadruple jump is really hard, and a quintuple jump would be even harder. Not a very satisfying answer, imo.
What does imo means?
@@Lena-ff5hr in my opinion
Honestly literally all these “almost impossible” videos
They literally said that a quintuple jump would need 500 revolutions per second, but the maximum they have seen in a competition is 430 revolutions per second. SMH
Ilia Malinin already landed the Quad Axel 4½ rotations and landed the quint toeloop a few times during practice.
The only thing that can stop Ilia Malinin now is the fact that the Quint God doesn't have the same ring to it as the Quad God. But I don't think it will.
Did the cameraman skate backwards the whole time?
Sorry to spoil the party, but it's probably a buggy/ice-cart
Actually...it was a chair! It's surprisingly easy to glide smoothly when someone's pulling you while you sit on a standard chair. Thanks for noticing!
it's not really all that difficult.
Its actually super easy to skate backwards.
I've done camera work backwards on ice stakes, skate board, and bicycle. where there's a will, there's a way.
Because... Gravity.
dudewat212 i
dudewat212 That seems a little oversimplified
This was going to be my exact comment..
dudewat212 thx for the quick explanation. You just destroyed a video that people spent probably hours making. I’m so proud.
dudewat212 the real answer I was looking for!!!😂
Yuzuru's quintuple toeloop on a harness says hi
Then 4.5 rotations seems right up to the edge of almost impossible -- Hanyu Yuzuru's attempt at the quad axle, which is 4.5 rotations -- he got 4 of those rotations in the Olympics (2022), nearly got but two footed the landing in Japan Nationals 2021 -- so close so close
ilia Malinin be landing those confidently now
@@randomcubing7106 The fanyus would like to know your address 😂
@@jeremiahvandagrift5401 bro I'm a fanyu too just that ilia is just too cracked
@@randomcubing7106 😤
@@jeremiahvandagrift5401 Bruh don't make fanyus look bad with that immaturity lol. We can recognize other skater's talents. Ilia is very talented, but that doesn't mean Yuzu isn't talented. Both skaters can be talented at the same time.
such a well thought out episode, thanks
Ok but Yuzuru Hanyu is the quad and triple axel king
elena mation Queen? 😅
It is not his fault to be born with beauty :3 But his beauty has made him versatile. With a change in hairstyle, he can protray many different type of characters including Prince, Romeo, both Romeo and Juliet, Chopin and seimei.
both romeo and juliet got meXDD i love yuzu so much he is so artistic, he even made me cry with his performances
No, Mao Asada would be the triple axel queen, thank you very much.
more like an angel @@celinam.2513
ilia malinin: i s t h i s a c h a l l e n g e ?
They missed a perfect opportunity to call him the “quad father” 😂
And now yuzuru is doing a quad axel (4.5 rotations)
Sloth Master Jack but has he landed it in competition? As far as I know no one has been able to land a quad axel yet
Gabriela Aponte no he hasn’t. And he probably won’t. But maybe
@@gabrielaaponte1314 he hasn't. He wanted to do it at worlds, but then corona screwed things up. I believe he already did it while practicing
Nathan joined this conversation 😉
I believe plushenko said in one interview that he had seen Yuzuru Jump a 4a and he has been landing multiple 4a during practice so.....
**does it with a harness**
i see Twoset, i like. Dont question me
@@goodfornothinghikkikomori6956 me too😂
It's a nice video but as a figure skater myself, I can tell you that we are actually forbidden to jump on trampolines unless it's more than a day before the next training, because, as you mentioned, skaters adjust and jumping on a trampoline requires significantly less energy.
Don't speak too soon I bet yuzuru hanyu will nail the quintiple flip
quintuple flip? He can't do a quad flip?
@@bone9jdjkaye ??? He has? He does? Hanyu has landed the quad flip plenty of times, although his loop and toe is his most reliable. The lutz is the jump that has a lower success rate - and for everyone else as well. If you were talking about his 2018-19 seasons, then his falls were often on the flip and lutz, but mainly due to the amount of injuries he kept accumulating following Pyeongchan (which he did on pain killers and rehabilitation). Judging by his performance this past japanese nationals, then 2020 was a good year for resting his ankle which he keeps busting. (I say that with love, but also... Ugh. Gonna give someone a heart attack one day)
@@vivianthai1276 when has he ever landed quad flip in competition? Show me some link or something? He's does 4S,4T,4Lo and 4Lz... Not 4F
@@bone9jdjkaye Exactly... There has been no footage of Yuzuru doing a quad flip in his entire career😂🙄
😢😢😢😢😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
wired: why its impossible to land a quad jump... yuzu: hold my pooh plush
Had to come back to come back to this video after the quad god
Someone: **Does 7 flips in the air and beats the record** Wired: WhY iTs alMoSt ImPoSsIbLe To Do MoRe ThAn 7 FlIpS iN tHE aIR
7?
We might actually see one. Malinin landed the quad axel which has 4.5 revolutions in in the air.
Actually Jackson Wells was the first to land a quad cork on skis. Andri Ragettli was the first to do a quad cork 1800. Also a quad cork and a quad spin are very different. Skiers and snowboarders have been doing 1440s for a long time.
Julius Burton it sucks that nobody remembers that he did it first...
Toxicmony I think it is because he just posted a blurry video on Instagram, and when Andri did it he was at Nine Knights so he got loads of media coverage and advertising etc. So it was in the news and people outside of the sport heard about it.
Julius Burton came to say this
not to mention someone just landed a 1980 on skis in the x games
Julius Burton Don’t know how it is in snowboarding, but in figure skating it doesn’t “count” until a person has done it in competition. It’s harder to do it under the pressure of competition than it is to do it in practice with as many tries as you need to get it right.
" Yuzuru Hanyu left the chat"
Don’t care about who the quad kind is lol Yuzuru Hanyu is still the best skater alive 👌🏻
Franklin Yao Disagree. Every generation has it’s own greatness. The second wave pushes the first wave on to the shore. So on and so forth. Hanyu is a great skater at the moment but the youngster will out skate him.
@@cindyphung1743 But have you *seen* how pretty he is!?
Yea and he reminds of the Victuuri ship
Sapphire Ice WE WERE BORN TO SHIP VICTUURI!
@@cindyphung1743 I'm sorry that Yuzuru is still the top of male figure skaters.
I could pull off a quint... in playing cards.
SnoutyPig haha, i cant
I COULDN’T EVEN DO THAT LMFAO
3:21 that guy looks like he hasn't slept in a week o.o
*year
update 2024: Ilila Malinin perfected the quad axle with 4.5 rotations in the air. Anything is possible
My brother: HoCkEy Is MoRe DiFfIcUlT ThAn FiGuRe SkAtInG!!! Me: *shows him this video* THEY ARE ON THE EDGE OF WHAT IS HUMANLY POSSIBLE!!!! STOP TALKING!!!!
Both you and your brother need to apologise to each other. They are two very different sports, the only real similarities is that they are both on ice. A hockey player can't figure skate, he doesn't have the grace or agility. A figure skater can't take a hit like a hockey player, even with the armor it would probably kill them. Now STFU.
Cole Dibiase so he needs to apologize to his brother for telling him that hockey isn’t harder, nothing more? And giving proof
Samサマンサ do you mean Ice Hockey or regular Hockey?
no need to explain it to me, I've seen Yuri on Ice, thank you very much
Ssgt Griggs then don’t watch it idiot
LMAO this is so cute🤣🤣
Ssgt Griggs Sdfu weeb
i swear yuri on ice fans are getting even more annoying than army
you people really can't take a joke
When you can’t even stand on a ice skating ring
“quints are impossible “ Yuzuru Hanyu and Nathan Chen : you sure about that ?
Add Boyang Jin and we have our Holy Skating Trinity
update: yuzuru hanyu is trying do quints but with harness
Someone landed a quadruple axel
So fascinating! I love these sports science videos during olympic season
Fidget spinners on ice
nopenopenope WAS THAT A YURI ON ICE REFERENCE?!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSAAA
@@ur.mum.cum. weeb
Shatterdpixel so what? I am too! if you don’t like us, ignore the comment and don’t be mean.
Some Singer read my username ;)
Shatterdpixel thank you 😊 I AM a weeb 😊
Ilia "Quads" Malinin
This was amazingly done
We found that skaters land with somewhere between 5-8 times their body weight, or 1-2 times my own body weight 😂😂😂
The weight of a figure skater can be deceptive... I've been figure skating 18 months now, changed my diet and I'm eating a lot less sugar and a lot healthier in that time and I've gained muscle mass but I've not visible changed shape. Except for Yuzuru Hanyu he's as light as you'd think he is
Hi! 4 years later Yuzuru Hanyu attempted 4A (4.5 rounds) in Beijing 2022 ✨✨
"IT'S JJ STYLE" 😂😂
I’m almost to my triples on the ice... this kinda made me feel good about my skating 😊
Do you still skate
Do you?
Should all examine gymnasts and trampolinists, both for spins and just for the edge of human physical capability.
Ethan Rummel yes I’ve been freerunning (parkour with flips) for about 6 years, and there is more science in flips and spins than you think.
Ethan Rummel I don't understand the point of your sentence.
or you could spend time doing something useful.
Greg roe did a octuple full
Agreed, I think gymnastics And other acrobatics disciplines would provide better examples of twisting.
Great video, so informative and eye-opening.
That former quad king, MASSIVE respect him for his humility !
As I figure skater I really liked this! A lot of videos about quads and just skating in general aren't very factual and get a lot of things wrong but this was very good!
I can't even do 2 rotations on land 😂😂😂
I bet you can't do one ;)
I can't do not even one
2:31 look at that snot
Yuzuru Hanyu be like: i want a quad axel. better do quint toeloop first.
*Yuri on ice is shook*
Lmfao 😂😂😂😂❤️
a fellow Otaku!
Bet u yuzuru hanyu will be the first
flo parsons yes I agree!!!
hardly, she is ready to retire
dragonboy718 She? Yuzu is a male skater
That was what I was thinking! XD
I hope he will make 400 points too
I think I read somewhere that Jon Boyang actually started the quad wars :D not really by landing one of the first quad, but by having (I think) 4 quads in a program, and that's how skaters realized that they can add more quads than before :O ... then there comes nathan making 5 quads ^_^
Don't give Yuzuru any ideas before the Worlds. We need him and his ankle to heal properly
Don't give Shaun White any ideas he'll want to do that trick, its simple law of physics you have something strapped to your feet which is long and heavy makes you rotate slower than something short and light like ski boot which helps you rotate faster. Bigger higher jumps for snowboarders and skiers will feel like landing on concreate you can only go so high.
basically, you don't feel like landing on concrete on big air. the proper landing has a steep angle so you are more sliding it then putting yourself to a stop. therefore big kicker might be even smoother for you than small ones that have flatter landing.
shaun white does super pipe exclusively (in contest). quads are done in slopestyle and big air. those are very different disciplines. also, what he said. the higher the jump, the steeper the angle of the landing area.
Optic500 Shaun White is too old, he can't even do a quad cork.
Vislow he still capable
Optic500 Shaun White rides pipe, and he hasn't even done a triple in that yet.
Malinin will do it
Ilia is AMAZING, I think he will find a way to do it!
i just watched three of this channel's videos in a row, so i'm subscribing
now that ilias landed the 4a consistently idk wtf is possible
It might be easier if they don’t do back spins on the turn board lmao As an ice skater, even landing a double jump feels like your going super fast. I can’t imagine doing a quad.
something I notice is that people do back spins when they use a turnboard. I just got one last year and my friends when they try to use it always do backspins.
@@montserrat8519 2 years later me speaking. That’s a good observation because now that I’m doing backspins I realize a lot of things. I think the reason people who don’t skate are gravitated towards back spins is the the movement of putting your inside leg up already moves you in the correct direction for spinning (unless maybe your left handed). The natural edge you tend to lean on when your inside foot is up curves you the right way compared to front spins. Also in dance you do “back spins” too.
@@magsmccat this is probably one of the most intelectual conversations I have ever had
@@montserrat8519 tru
Nathan Chen has inspired so much, at least me, I'm so impressed, I've always loved skating, but now, I'm obsessed.
That one ice skate with what looked like a serial port looked funky like some Arduino kit. Is it better to "evacuate" as much as possible before skating or will it be better for rotation if the center of mass weighed more?
This dude used a joji song as his performance song he's one of us
Would've been even better if you had included the Tricking Quad Cork...there has only been one person to ever land it and it's way more insane than the others in my opinion.
Our piece was about Winter Olympic sports , so we didn't include the tricking quad cork -- but it's amazing!
More insane than pulling that while flying 30 meters? Yeeeaaahhh.... nope
vledermau5 you referring to michael guthrie’s quad cork
This guy considering he's the only whose done a quad, yes 😂
Jasper de Laat well.. Kinda.. You don't have the assistance of acceleration on the snow and it's just you and the floor.. Not considering you have less time in the air to complete the twist..
Welp, someone finally did it
thank you for this video it was really interesting
Here after Malinin's quad axel
Omg that weirded me out at 3:44 I was like that looks a lot like my rink and then I realized it was!
I think its the yerba buena center in SF
It's actually University of Delaware, it says in the top right
you're right, i was thinking about the rink that the guy who is talking is at
Ohhhh okay 👍
Georgia C r
Who’s here after the quad god? 👀
The small things like the backing soundtrack makes this so much more enjoyable.
Amazing video!
After just watching the standing jump episode I think it would be very important to build leg muscles to jump higher. The 90 cm would give twice the time to spin.
A solution might be in increasing the time instead of the rotation speed. Provided a jump can be made that lasts about 1/4 more of the current time, this would be roughly sufficient to keep the same rotation speed and accomplish a quint. I guess that for professional skiers it should be easier to obtain, as they heavily rely on the shape of the slopes to achieve the desired jumping times.
4:47 I hope you know you almost broke your leg right there and then. My eyes popped when I saw how you landed on that trampoline.
I’m old enough to remember Kurt Browning landing the first quad, and experts discussing other possible quads. It was said the quad axel was “almost impossible”. Fast forward 30 years… I’m guessing someone will hit a quint by 2050. It may take a while for someone to repeat it. And it may remain rare, but I’m fairly confident it will happen.
Holy crap when I went ice skating the second time I saw him in spinning around in the middle it was very cool I’m so happy
If anyone will ever actually do a quint it will be Ilia Malinin. He hints that he can already do one.
That herman miller louge looks so nice in the corner.
3:10 Music got me ,look on my right side (Works if only with Headphone on) Good job Loved the Background Music ;)
of course you can do a quintuple corkscrew on snowboard, just go off a bigger, higher jump
peregrine i assume that after a certian height the landing becomes dangerous... like falling on to pavement. Just my assumption.
I’m assuming they mean within the limits of the professional laws of their sport. So whatever ramp height is standard for professional snowboarding is what they’re using. Just as figure skaters could potentially spin more if they jumped up off ice and were able to land in a lower level hole. But that’s silly. We use the standards the sport provides for us to compare.