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Hey my name’s Fernando Habegger, aka JNandez. I’m a professional poker player and head coach of the PLO Mastermind. On this channel I’ll show you how to potentially make money playing online poker, specifically Pot Limit Omaha. If you’re looking to learn Omaha poker strategy and get better at PLO, you’re at the right place!
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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:01:36 - The talent side
00:04:06 - Effort - putting in the hours
00:08:30 - Being in the game as a professional
00:09:15 - Starting off your bankroll
00:13:24 - Acquiring the right information
00:15:06 - Laying down the numbers
00:25:18 - What to expect from the poker lifestyle
00:31:17 - Finishing thoughts
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By far my favorite poker channel to watch, no gimmicks or non sense. He just drops real knowledge from real life experiences. keep up the great work and content JNandez!!
Thank you for the content. I’m a dealer also but I’m starting to play more. I mainly play NLH but I’m starting to study more PLO thanks to you. My biggest challenge is that I live in California so I don’t get to see thousands of hands online like foreign grinders do. I guess I’ll try ACR!
Very honest assessment. Love these types of videos. I think that now is a super GTO time for you to hammer the content grind while Doug is slowly bowing out. Anyways, it has been fun to watch your channel develop and am excited to watch it grow.
Thanks for posting this. First video I've seen on the subject that says it so honest and straight. Top!
That was the most honest and brutal (but necessary) breakdown I've ever heard till today 😳 🙏🏻 hurt a bit but appreciate the honesty here 👊🏻
Thank you for the great video Fernando, you always have informative and well thought out content!!
love your stream and videos...i am impressed ! COntinue explaining and teach us ! God bless you bro !
Very good to put things into perspective here with the time investment required. Some newer viewers to the channel may be seeing 4K an hour, 15K in two hours and saying, "this poker thing must be easy...I should give it a try". And there goes their plans for their Christmas bonus this year. Keep up the good tutoring work.
It took me 2 years to become a profitable player. At the time I was lighting money on fire and wasn’t in a good place in life. Fast forward 10 years later I’m a winning player. Now I’m constantly learning off the table. I put in way more time off the felt then on it.
Real specific way of telling the truth about being a professional player, i will consider a lot off your long-terms of making cash for a long time in PLO and No Limit, thanks for the video!
great video jnandez. i was so related to the content of the hard work, mindset etc. thank you
Thanks for this JNandez. You are an excellent teacher. I´m very grateful. Whenever I have enough bankroll, or there is a promotion, I´m definitely joining the Mastermind.
Brilliant video my friend. This was laid out so well - really puts a realistic approach and idea of what’s necessary to make this actually work. Thank you sincerely for taking the time to do this for us! 🙌❤️
Thank you too!
Thanks jnandez, really helpful and supportive stuff
much needed and yes please more videos like this
Thanks, noted!
Jnandez I'm a really big fan of you. You inspire me I'm a losing player but working really hard to be the opposite. Today is the start of my journey. Going pro coz I'm sick and tired of manufacturing plant assholes and the job itself. And of course I want to be one of the best in the game.
good video men, keep up good work ! :)
Just found you now that I'm on my PLO journey... much appreciated!!
great video, really honest about you busting a few bankrolls before you became good at the game.
I'd love to see you come back and hear how your perspective may have changed. It's good content
Brilliant video. Thanks for the tips
This was so inspirational jnandez. I am 22 years old and been playing poker for 2 years and am absolutely obsessed with the game and am determined to do whatever it takes to make it work and improve my game. I would love to talk further about potential coaching and more of an understanding of other suggestions that you may have. Thank you so much for all of your content as it has really helped so much already!
What limits do you play?
How was your career? Are you still playing today?
a lot of people just aren't smart enough@@malto20
This is A very good video we really enjoy the content ,wish you great luck on the tables ,God bless ,keep shining.
Meeeen..... You just made me really open my eyes right now.. I play poker for some years now, and never really had big results. At this moment iam finishing my thesis and always wanted to try and play poker for a living for at least 6 months to see the results... but do i really want that for me? be pressured by the need to got the money at the end of the month? I mean, the clarity of what you just put right here made me think in all of this, thank you a lot!
great wisdom Fernando, very applicable to life and other jobs when you make sacrifices in order to pursue something aggressively and make a better life for yourself
Very relevant video for me. Going into my fifth year next year. Really want to take the next step. Thank you for doing this.
Did you keep it going? I'm somewhat of a noob but I win regularly against friends and may dip my toes into online.
nice one, painful truth but got me thinking. Been funplayer 4 about 8-9 years, studied a bunch and followed many streamers but never got to the point to actually grind lower stakes as I should consider the bankroll managemant. I should probably of course get the holdem manager as well. I have 60 days break from pokerstars now, but will study hard until the I can play again, and then slowly grind it up. Thanks I appreciate the vid :)
Thanks for the feedback! Study the game and crush it.
Great information. delivered with genuine integrity. For me, the biggest hurdle would be avoiding tilt (or minimising it). Also, I'd worry about bots and how 'straight' the sites are generally.....with RNG, why does the flop have so many pairs? It happens WAY too often to be genuinely random, IMO. Anyway, great video!
Glad that you make all this content. This was a very good, informative video really. I am working up in my way and i completely understand everything you say about poker and they couldn't be more true than that. Also I am happy that we have the same obsessive character so i have one more reason to believe i can make it. You know i was always sure but it is good to hear that things. 😊 Wish you man to make even more great things really. And maybe sometime i will meet you in person at some casinos who knows. I would like that.
Awesome video! Thanks!
Huge thanks for the great inside. Solide content Fernando!! Thank you.
This was great. Really inspiring.
Thanks for the motivation,great vid as always !
such a great video. Thanks
I'm READY!
Liked it! Thanks!
You're telling the real deal jnandez... It's not pretty in the beginning. Took me three shots before I was finally able to get it right. I'd bust and then I'd have to go back to work. Finally with more study, better bankroll management and a clearer view of what I was actually going after....it finally came together. Been Pro for 3 years now. I appreciate your content I'm always looking to pick up something wherever I can find it.👍👍👍
Thanks for sharing!
DW Corporate So what stakes do u play now? I became professional in 2009.
Love your advice
Amazing video Fernando. Very informative and fun to listen and watch.
Thank you!
Well put. Thanks ♫
I needed this video. For the past 8 years I'm stuck at the micros, busting bankroll after bankroll, stop play start play. Maybe this game ins't for me ahahha I will stick to others activities.
Nice vid. Next video should be "How much money do you need to live in Switzerland". I visit on a short trip this summer and it´s pretty expensive:) I bet it´s easier to be a poker pro in a less developed country. For some 1k or 2 k a month can make you a king.
Great video! So much information and truth.
that's awesome dude, thank you!
Thank you too!
Thanks for this vid man, great info.
God i love this guy, hes so smart honest caring and helpful.. Great video dude you rock
Do you love him in an unnatural way?
@@zekebanister865 What do you mean with UNNATURAL?
Definitely more of this. 🙃😎
Good video! I’ve been wondering about this for awhile. I live in the us and was wondering what you think the best site is to play on in the us. Also, I’ve heard people say low stakes live cash isn’t worth it cos of the rake. What are your thoughts on that?
You are amazing. I follow all of your video and instagram. You are the best pattern for me. I want make a important decision and do poker for my job. These days i'm reading books about poker and watching your videos. Thanks for your videos. Please say more about your life and say the secrets about keep up Bankroll
Thanks for this video ! Very helpful
Good video, especially at the end. Most poker players end up losers in the long run due to rake, in ability to get up when they lose. You can have 10 winning sessions, but if you can't get up after a losing session, you would end up losing it all in one session.
I am playing few years now but it was for fun mostly,starting this year i really started to do the off table work use programs and analyze certain spots i didnt even know that there is so much math in poker and stuff which is rly exciting to keep studying and improving
Ur always inspiration..
a fascinating revelation!
Best poker promo ever, no bulls-t! You're like a DarkSide Daniel Negreanu! Keep it up!
Hey JNandez. There is an average amount of hours to become pro in anything - 10k. Love your videos so far. I play O8 MTTs and now I'm interested to add some PLO because of lack of game. Any bits of advice?
awesome, more videos like that, really interesting ;)
obsessive nature, loves the game. loves the grind....this guy knows me
Love these kind of vids, keep it up!:)
Thanks Fercho :)
Nice explanation
Great video as always! In my case, I work as a Doctor, I am 32, so I think it´s best to play MTTs and cash in my free time and if I hit something big I can think of working less in Medicine and playing more poker. It doen´t make sense for me to grind from the bottom. I am married, don´t have time, energy hehe. But I study every day and play whenever I can. Cheers!
So you are a MD or DO that is looking to do more poker? Something doesn't add up here.
Very informative !!!! Would love to hear more about your personal journey!!!
Great video Fernando! Keep it coming!
being that i haven't yet entirely learned the hold'em game (im at 18%roi in 9 handed sit and gos over 25k games but only playing $1 and $3 games at about a 3:1 ratio.) Would you say that i should rise the stakes in holdem, now that i know for sure i am at least crushing it a little bit, and then use that money to play omaha, or should i just jump on the 5nl PLO and just 1 table again and start relearning? or is that a better task after i have already build the bankroll up... I know it's kind of a personal decision, but i'd like to ask what you would do here? If you were suddenly this person? It's been a long and enjoyable road learning holdem, and i feel like omaha will be very much the same. I kind of feel like i know how the swings will effect me. I have experienced many stages of over-confidence and burn-out, these 25k games have taken me around a year to do.... And i've been taking money out of the bankroll this whole time to pay for my life (haven't had a job this whole time, and while i've been living frugally, i have been surviving even playing these tiny stakes , as my cost of living is low, due to shared accommodation and a fairly non existent diet) My discipline is definitely there. But my MAIN problem, is that when i try to play the sit and gos AND learn ANY OTHER format at the same time, it hurts my results in both i think... So i feel as if i must do 1 and not both.... Either learn PLO cash OR NLHE tourneys and sngs.... I enjoy playing every single day, 9 hours per day actually playing, at least 1 hour of revision at the beginning and end of every day... So essentially i have 11 hours PER DAY to invest into poker. I guess my question is, where do i go... I am not super good at game selection yet, seeing as the games i am playing are almost always profitable, but very much micro stakes, and i have to play SO MANY games per day, just to make 60 bucks EV, But the feeling i got when taking shots at the $5 games and then getting crushed, then a week later, coming back with a new strategy and crushing THEM (around a week ago, but then got banned and waiting on ID, so this week is hard study and re-evaluation time, hence this massive comment)..... Essentially what i am saying while, while yes, i am still at the micro-stakes, i think that is about to be over now, and i will start making arooouuund "job money" finally. So while i look at omaha, and can see a muuuuch longer shelf life in terms of edge, i look at all the work it took just to get to the $5 sit and gos, and that makes me wanna think again... cannot possibly afford coaching right now. BUT i can spend ALLLL my time thinking about poker and playing poker. My girlfriend is incredibly supportive and knows that my brain is up to the task, if i am allowed to do it... my parents were not so supportive, hence we moved out into our new flat, but this has basically crushed any chance of being able to put aside money, we are saving just over $250 bucks a month, which is going towards my girlfriends driving lessons, car and insurance, which we will reach in around 7-8 months given no major speed-bumps.... So.... without getting coaching (at least in the next 7-8 months) what would you do here? I would like to say, the only reason i do not have a job, is that my personal skills are not up to par with the job market that i would like to become a part of, i am stuck with only very low-skilled job applications being successful, thanks to my lack of ability to explain my strengths in words and always wind up either talking about poker or rambling in some other way, appearing dumber than i am, getting assigned to tasks which are too simple for my easily roaming mind. I know i seem like i am selling myself a lot here, but that is only because the main bulk of advice i receive, seems to be A) from poker players i see as worse than myself.... And/or B) telling me to step back from the game and be more part-time.... Or C) Get coaching....... This is mainly to confirm or add to that list of 2 options basically, either change poker to a part time thing, or, wait until you have received coaching to take shots at the mid-stakes games....... Is switching to omaha worth it for me at this particular time? or would you advise against it??? THIS QUESTION GOES OUT TO ALL (I APOLOGISE PROFUSELY FOR THE LENGTH, i did try to keep it brief, but i essentially need to give my entire situation in order to get an accurate(ish) answer) BUT IF JNANDEZ (unlikely to get the time i understand) could answer this question in the form of either a response, or more broadly addressed video. That would be more than awesome, and likely an absolute life-saver... Good to see that you are still going strong and look better than ever in terms of health, you are definitely my biggest inspiration in the poker world (even though we play different games this whole time). You have done wonders in keeping the dream alive for me. All the way from your first video.. I was like "damn, there are new good players who are crushing and at least making decent money out there who also are not playing live".... Which has helped to no end....I'm rambling again, so i will stop (maybe obvious why i cannot seem to tie down a normal job at this stage of the comment XD)
6000 dlls x month.. jajaja here in México i would live like a king.
Very informative and good video Jnandez! Im thinking of buying the PLO Mastermind, do you have alot of PLO HU material in there? Thanks!
Thanks! Yes we have a own HU PLO course, you should check it out. It's part of the PLO Mastermind.
video pic looks like a new song of young nandez feat triplecheck counting racks
Great video and topic. Please more videos like this, especially about your first years as a pro.
Well done Fernando! I saw a part of myself in the things you were talking about.
What do you think about differences in the return rate for online vs live poker? I know guys like Andrew Neeme are talking about much less return in live poker: 5bb/hour. I guess it would make sense from the perspective of the number of hands you play in online poker. But if that is the case, I can't wrap my head around the fact why one should focus on live. Any comment?
Keep the vidoes coming tell us more about your journey
Thanks, I will.
Hey JNandez. Thanks a lot for the video. Just a quick question. What do you think about stop win? You could set up for 5 hours of grind, but what if in one hour you get like 10~20buy ins or whatever, and "feel like it is enough" for the day?
darezim it’s all one big session
If you grt 10-20 buy ins in one hour in cash, you are playing high variance poker
Or have ran insanely well with good cards
yEr0c1995 he probably sat down with 100$ in a crazy 1-2 or 1-3 game been there done that
A stop win is generally a good idea. It gives you a boost in motivation for the whole day until the next session and makes your next session more enjoyable (in my mind). And if you are up 10bi and then get suckered out for some of those winnings (and worse yet get tilted and dunk most of that money away) it will make you feel horrible. So a stop win is a nice addition, I have mine at 2bi for each hour my session is supposed to last, so 8bi for a 4 hour session for example
Yeah let us know how things start for you :D
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I had been breakeven for like 4 years, suddenly flipped the switch with game selection and a much more hands on approach.... Took A LOT of work though. Not for the faint-hearted... I lost friends due to how long i did not see them, because i was playing poker alll the time. Never mind though, if they were real friends they wouldn't have cared as much as they did... Very worth it in the end and i am so happy to finally be grinding like the grinders i watched online back in the glory days of poker.... I am making nowhere near as much money... But more than i would be in some crappy minimum wage job (which is all i could get anyway, because my social skills are absolutely terrible, job interviews always go horribly for me)... I do understand your point about if you are not beating the games for 2 years, just quit... I think 99% of the time you are right... I don't think many people will be prepared to do what i have done.
managed to get there without coaching too, which i was heavily considering.
John hancock somehow i can really relate to you. I hated my dayjob and ive lost many friends in the process.. but i found new friends who share similar interests. Life is just a big train ride.. some passengers may quit at some time but there are also new passengers getting on the train at every station. All you can do is enjoying the ride with whoever you come across. I had to learn a lot about social skills as well as i was really introverted/autistic/genius who gets bored quickly by stupid people (+ i am humble as fuck). Just kidding hope u get my point. If i can do it you can do it too bro. What is life anyway without human interactions? There is so much fun you can have, the possibilities are endless. Oh and btw chicks love poker players :^)
Thanks for the Video Jnandez! A question which bugs me for quite some time now... Which percentage of the weekly/monthly profit do you take (or would recommend) out of the poker site for living expenses etc.? Would really appreciate an answer :))
I've tried live NLHE, online NLHE and online PLO all cash, never liked tournaments. What I can say with my (shitty) experience is if you play live: play NLHE. If you play online: play PLO. Live is so easy but you lose so much time and play so few hands. Online is definitely tougher but PLO is more filled with people with no basic knowledge therefore is still (very?) profitable.
The problem is that all online pros started building their roll when they were living in their parents' place, didn't have any expenses and had a lot of free time because they were not working full time and had big semester breaks. If I need 4-5k per month for living and I can play 2 hours per day, how long would it take for me to quit my job and turn pro? Probably 5 years or more? If I play 40h per week if turned pro, so how big of a bankroll and which stakes do I need to play to make it possible with monthly expenses of 4-5k? Is it maybe a better idea to move to Eastern Europe where I can live on $1000 per month? How much of a bankroll would I need for that to make at least 3k per month?
For videos like this, makes me feel proud of my career as professional poker player. great video!
Using sites with recreational players like william hill or ladbrokes and playing small stakes while having moderate knowledge but not enough to win against players on poker stars will I be able to be profitable?
Yes! Story time is great
Hey JNandez, super video! hast du Informationen wann das neue Geldspielgesetz voraussichtlich umgesetzt wird? Wirst du dadurch ins Ausland ziehen? Liebe Grüsse aus der Schweiz
Vielen Dank! Ich weiss nicht wann und in welcher Form es umgesetzt wird. Ich bin aber zuversichtlich dass die Casino Lobby eine vernünftige Lösung finden wird, sodass ich in der Schweiz bleiben kann.
Danke für deine Antwort! Das hoffe ich auch für alle passionierten Pokerspieler in der Schweiz.
love your way!
Best video you have done!
Thanks!!
I want to hear the poker dealer story!
hi friend , what are your thoughts about playing more but lower stakes ? , right now i'm beating nl10 with a good winrate, but on the site i play if i move up the stake i will pay more rake and the players will get probably a lot better , i'm thinking about buying a better monitor and play more tables at nl10 , and play 2 sites at the same time , so , even if my winrate goes down a little bit i will still make more money , basically i'm not sure if i can beat nl25+ :/ , i'm really afraid.
Fernando If u only play micro stakes, then u can never improve. U need to get better to beat higher stakes, not to mention, even micro stakes will become tougher year after year. U should try how far u can go(with strict bankroll management of course). I was playing NL100,NL200 euro stakes before I found a soft French poker site in 2010, i realized how soft the game was when I saw how they played, I started play NL400 right away, after 1 month, NL1000. In 2010-2012, i beat those stakes and made a good winning. Which country are u from? NL10 is actually too small to finance u, man. What is your winning rate? bb/100 hands?
i live in brazil , i'm currently winning with 7bb/100 , i decided to play at 2 sites nl10 , i will start next month , bought a new pc and monitor to be able to play more tables , my pc was terrible as well , and actually if i keep half of the winning that i was having on these 2 sites i will be able to get 4x the average income here in brazil , and i will save money and build this bank to move up with a better bank next year probably , with my calculations i realized that i would make more money here than any other limit basically .
17:58 I like the freestyle.
Yeah!! Fernando dealer story time!!
That was an inspirational video bro.. Im about to take a real shot online, investing on the mastermind course, im willing to put out the hours and anything else involved in the trip.. im from ecuador sorry for my english ir isnt very well written.. hope one day we'll meet at the 500 zoom tables! Cheers
Hello J; what if I told you that 85 or 90% of the time when I sit and play 1/2 no limit, I double or triple my money within the hour. I always sit with $100 at the table and I almost NEVER lose without first doubling my money or tripling it. My greatest problem has been to leave after I do so because I still want to keep playing after just sitting for an hour or so, and then I get a little more lose, seeing more flops,etc., then I end up losing what I won plus what I started with and some. Do you suggest for me to keep playing after I reach my goal, even if it is in less than hour or just leave even if I still want to keep playing?
Learn how to play deeper stacked and maintain focus. Nobody made a career playing 1h poker every now and then, in case thats your goal.
A reply would be appreciated J. :-)
Would this mean that it can't be done, in your opinion? There are times(although few)that it may take me more than an hour; I've had 4 and 5 hour sessions, but I try my best to avoid those. I'm just surprised that I can do so easily so often. I honestly don't know anybody personally that makes as much money and as fast as I do.(I mean % wise).
I want big O and big O8 videos... there is an insane game I play in Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturdays.. I have been doing well but I take big swings during the game and I know it is a swinging game but I feel like I can turn this into a 6k a week job..
Donn Worry love O8 such a good money maker for me.
Hey!!! I have been playing poker since the summer im 19 so brand new I was break even right now with little study but had some financial stuff happen so i wasnt able to play much poker but im getting back on my feet and have enough money to invest into myself. Would you recommend me playing Holdem or plo if i really wanted to start studying and putting full effort into my game?
College is another useful investment
How It went?
JNandez my dude!
It depends on how good you play, and how hard you work
your advice to your friends is great. there's nothing wrong with playing for fun, but if your ultimate goal is purely to make money and after years you can't do it you're right, you probably never will.
What’s a good poker site for beginners?
i currently make 50-100$ at plo5 and plo10 per day. basically only knowledge i picked up was from either phil galfond or jnandez. jnandez content is much better for low and mid stakes players though as theres many direct examples. i wish i was able to see him playing on the site and with the players i play with for an hour. i would love to see how he would adapt to them. also plo is a cruel game. i run almost 40 buy ins under ev and out of the last 4 days i had 3 days where i ran more than $100 under ev each day. and my bankroll is just at ~$150. it feels bad and my mindset is crushed. i actually need help as i would love to bring the plo thing further :/
What would be the rakeback earned at PLO 200 with 60,000 hands per month on PP?