When Your Tank is Attacked by Aircraft
2018 ж. 23 Мам.
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This is a companion piece to the one put out over at Military Aviation History. • ⚜ | The Great Tank Des...
We often think about airplanes swooping down over enemy armored formation, imagining seeing resultant havoc and panic out the airplane windows (or from the ground from the cameraman's perspective in the movie). But what actually is going on on the ground?
Error: Apparently they snuck in an eighth form of contact when I wasn’t looking. ADRP 3-0 says “non-hostile” is now a form of contact.
"The guy in the tank has a significant advantage here. Because, well... he is in a tank" Wise words
Frat Peker Meanwhile in War Thunder....
Not if an IL-2 is attacking you, pilot is also in a tank, a flying one.
Not when the plane is an A-10. Mic drop.
Keep in mind that the Chieftan has never operated anywhere without complete air superiority on his side.
Somewhat disagree. The right Aircraft can eat tanks alive, and quickly.
Was a pleasure to work with you on this and getting your side of the story. A 'pending earth-face interface and it's nearly infinite coefficient of friction' is certainly something a pilot would like to avoid.
He does coin a wonderful turn of phrase.
I like to think I'm at least happy...
Deizid * He's married to a female, and they are expecting offspring soon.
Deizid * He is married and Irish. A large number of Irish are wordsmiths. It comes from dealing with centuries of bloody minded English. That was a significant emotional event that started with a Norman Frenchman. The Irish have much practise at dealing with damfools as well.
Does it really matter? Besides I would observe that there are multiple meanings to the word “gay”.....
"The pilot is now going through a significant emotional event, because he is now thinking very hard about the pending earth/air interface and its nearly infinite coefficient of friction, that he is about to demonstrate in a very violent physics test." Never change Nick, never change. And btw. ever thought about becoming a physics teacher? My physics book had some good examples, but I would be trippin' balls if they had videos attached of examples, with your commentary on it.
I'm still laughing at this quote a good 5 minutes after
This is the new significant emotional event. I literally spewed my beer all over my phone when he said that!
TheKittelsen I CAN'T BELIEVE IT , THEY DESTROYED MY BEAUTIFUL TIGER
"Now, without further ado, oh my god, the plane is on fire"
@ww2 buff This comment thread is 'fire indeed.
"The pilot is now going through a significant emotional event, because he is thinking very hard about the pending earth/air interface and it's nearly infinite coefficient of friction that he is about to demonstrate in a very violent physics test." - Just got to love it!
It's the perfect blend of general Irish and veteran deadpan sarcasm.
Flying is pretty natural for a pilot. I think the chieftan does not understand that.
@@kyle857 running into cumulogranite is a great way to end your flying career.
@@kyle857 While crashing and burning is not quite so natural for most pilots, it is amazing the number than manage to accomplish it, especially under the best of conditions. This is why being a primary training instructor pilot is considered the most dangerous job in military aviation.
@@kyle857 He has a private pilot's licence
*sees video title* My mind answers: "significant emotional event".
GundamSentinel brexit is against merkel
Hahah, Lmao
GundamSentinel Probably the greatest term coined by the Chieftain
tiger cat What does that have to do with the price of fish?
vaguely similar to Jingles's* 'As useful as t!ts on a fish!' *it is likely Mr.Charlton appropriated it from during his time in Her Majesty's Naval service (in the Navy I mean, ..not the in royal belly button area).
What war thunder thaught me was that I have to shoot the aircraft with the main gun
It's possible, but harder because it's not firing rapidly hell you can even fire a 800mm round from the schwerer Gustav and hit the plane
I actually got a main gun kill on a MI 24 vismod at the NTC in 1986. The controller laughed his ass off.
FGG01 it was a Soviet recon plane, not an attack fighter.
Excerpt from To Rome and Beyond: Battle Adventures of Company 'B', 760th Tank Battalion, Italy 1943-1945 by John E. Krebs [On February 7], ME-109s dive bombed the Bailey Bridge that spanned the river and a short time later the ME-109s dive bombed and strafed our column of tanks. One bomb landed near my tank with the explosion forcing the tank half over in the crater. We mounted our 50 caliber guns on the turrets and on the next pass by the ME-109s gave them a hot reception. Lt. Cox, manning his 50 caliber gun hit one of the planes - it flew on smoking furiously and crashed. An AA Battery had moved up to assist us and three more of the ME-109s went off smoking badly - one crashed within a few hundred yards of the river; the others disappeared below the horizon. [...] Early on February 10, from our forward positions northwest of Mt. Trocchio, we observed numerous German soldiers moving in and out of a dug-out cave about a quarter mile north of the Rapido River. 'B' Company tanks fired more than 50 rounds of HE into the position, but we had no idea how many of the enemy were killed or wounded. Enemy artillery fire began pounding our area; two of the tanks received direct hits, but without serious injury to the crews. Enemy aircraft appeared, coming from the north, and I concluded that they were there to dive bomb our tanks, but instead they headed for the Bailey Bridge at Highway 6 where it crossed the Rapdio River. I ordered all tanks to set time fuses of 3 to 4 seconds on their 75mm ammunition and to fire at the enemy aircraft. We fired more than 50 rounds at the ME-109s with some effectiveness and we must have frightened them for they dropped their bombs and flew off, leaving the bridge still in tact. Fortunately, the area of the bridge was well protected by AA, as well as smoke generators. On clear days enemy aircraft would generally appear over the front lines on bombing and strafing missions. We could also observe vehicles moving in and out of Cassino, especially German ambulances, painted white, on their usual northerly route on Highway 6- no doubt they were moving their wounded to rear area hospitals.
To be fair, WT taught me that shooting down aircraft is bloody difficult. And that's just a non-simulator game, real life must be even more difficult.
A 120mm. canister round is extremely effective at an attack helicopter at up to 2,000 metres. As my 1979 tank gunnery instructor pointed out, "It doesn't matter how armoured it is, it cannot fly without rotor blades!!"
Unfortunately, a tank canister round is only effective against *personnel* up to 500m, maybe double that if all factors and stars line up So your gunnery instructor would be long dead before he got to poke holes in the *armored* rotor blades of a gunship that fired its atgm from *8km* away and already heading home for coffee since it's 'fire and forget'
lol "Pending air earth interface" I liked that.
and its near infinite coefficient of friction
One of my favourite Cheiftan phrases :D
Great vid and thank you, When I went thru US AOBC back in the 80's, I remember the instructor saying. "If it's fixed wing - your best defense is hoping that they're looking for a bigger payoff than you. If it's rotary wing like the Hind D or Hokum, go into "Ranger Hide"...aka... fetal position on turret floor, then close your eyes and repeat "If I can't see them, they can't see me." over and over.
Yes, he is certainly making things sound rosier for the tank crews than they really are, aircraft can be extremely deadly to tanks, armor or no. I think his idea was to highlight that it isn't _hopeless_ for tank crews, but he went too far the other way. A pintle MG is a desperate last ditch attempt, which MIGHT distract a pilot and throw his aim off, if he is a rookie or weak nerved. Basically, it's better than doing nothing at all, but there is a _reason_ the training emphasizes not being seen at all over shooting back.
@@justforever96 yeeaaahh...but every Tank Commander worth their salt knows the golden rule of "Where you see one tank (Hind D), expect to see their friends very soon as they never travel alone."
You omitted step 3: "and kiss your sweet a*** good bye".
Mathew M ""If I can't see them, they can't see me." is from The Hitchhiker's Guide - "The Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal is a vicious wild animal from the planet of Traal, known for its never-ending hunger and its mind-boggling stupidity. One of the main features of the Beast is that if you can't see it, it assumes it can't see you. Due to this it has been considered one of the least intelligent creatures in the Universe."
“Significant emotional event”, “near infinite friction coefficient”. God I love watching this gentleman’s work 🤣
*SIGNIFICANT EMOTIONAL EVENT*
I can relate.
Oh bugger the plane's on fire!
discombobulate
I blame Botime Gaming, but I always thought tankers just had panic attacks and screamed Oklahoma whenever they got attacked by aircraft. I am not a wise person.
I blame Loli's PTSD everytime a bomb lands near...
And Gaff with his lack of fucks to give
but what if your in a Churchill and proceeds to climb... the air? take the fight to the enemy!
Bee H. Bo does make it look easy to shoot down a plane with his tanks main gun
BIG BOMBS! BIG BOMBS!
I had an acquaintance that had been a pilot in the last part of WW2 with the Flying Tigers in China (not the same guys as the AVG). He said he saw very little action in 1945 in that particular theater but he told me of attacking a Japanese column that was retreating and he said coming in from 2500 feet in a P51 he thought for sure he was going to cause some mayhem. To his surprise they started shooting back and after the first few tracers flew by his canopy he pulled off and tried shooting from a farther distance and without diving straight in. By doing this he hit nothing but he also didn't get hit. That 3 mils of aluminum that most of the airplanes were skinned with wouldn't have stopped a well thrown rock!!!
There's only one problem dealing with air. Like tanks, enemy aircraft rarely travel alone. Once they've located you, they tell all their buddies about you, and all their buddies come over and have a grand old party.
And we call in interceptors and we have ourselves a nice little air battle above us.
Nate Kaufman The enemy would probably also at the moment have interceptors in the air.
Martijn then we will also call in our interceptor interceptor
@@taiphan6938 then they will call in their interceptor interceptor interceptor(this is a joke)
mobile pliot war wings the we will call in our interceptor interceptor interceptor interceptor (this is not a joke. Prepare for war scum)
Ace Combat has taught me that all you have to do is surround your army with 10 times more AA and SAM than your tank and apc numbers. Then you watch as everything still gets destroyed by a single pilot in a fighter.
Especially since that single pilot's fighter seems abnormally durable when a single missile from anything hitting it or even groundfire would bring down any other normal plane! ;P
AC 4 using an A-10 as a Bomber attack aircraft and a Dogfigther with that 20mill brrrrrrrtrtr lmao my childhood
Ania Fiecek never played ace combat 4 but an a-10 with an armament as puny as a 20mm is heresy
@@rooseveltbrentwood9654 pretty sure he made a minor mistake
fulcrum 29 heresy i tell you!
Big fan! Love the channel! Loved the video
Yeh me too
Wow, its Matsimus!
During World War 2, the Soviet Air Force developed “PTAB” 2kg anti-tank bomblets, usually dropped in batches of about 200 bomblets. These were standard equipment for IL-2 Shturmovik (the flying tank) ground-attack aircraft. Great-Uncle, a former Shturmovik pilot, compared using to an anti-tank shotgun shell. Each bomblet could go through 100mm of armour. Not even the mighty Tiger I was immune. In addition, Shturmoviks always operated in pairs, at a minimum.
A TV documentary about modern warfare, about 10 years ago on one of the UK TV channels, pointed out that the life expectancy of a modern attack helicopter pilot if WW3 broke out was about the same as a WW1 Rookie fighter pilot, most likely his first and only sortie.
2:22 “Cue Monty Python references” you read my mind.
No need to fear, Ma Deuce is here!
your profile pic looks like orange sloth. kinda magical.
TheLittlestMig Ha ha you're right it does look like an orange sloth's face.
Wow, we're all saved! A single gun of the very smallest caliber that has any claim to being an effective anti-aircraft round, on a pintle mount with open sights firing at 600 rounds per minute max, what is there to worry about? No aircraft would stand a chance. I mean, provided it is Cessnas flying at 200ft that are attacking you, of course. Anything faster or better armored is much more problematic. Seriously, a .50cal is the MINIMUM effective caliber. A single .50 vs a plane is almost pointless. Just because .50 seems powerful compared to infantry or unarmored trucks doesn't make it so. It needs to hit a plane dozens of times to have a fair chance of shooting it down, and with a single iron-sighted M2, the odds are very slim. Its like carrying a pocket derringer in .380ACP into combat and bragging because its a .380 not a .25ACP. The .380 is the _minimum_ round for self defense, and in the end you still have a derringer. Its better than doing nothing at all, but not by much. Likewise, the guy with the .25ACP derringer (basically the guy with only a .30 cal MG) also feels better to have SOMETHING to shoot back wit - after all, he might get lucky, and at least he can throw the enemy's aim off - but it's hardly an effective weapon. So to say "oh, its okay, we've got _a fifty cal_ ! No fears!" is just stupid. A .50 is better than nothing, but only just.
Yep sounds like a recipe for a very shredded gunner, and quite possibly the loss of the whole tank when one of the aircraft's otherwise largely harmless 25mm shells comes in via the shredded gunners body and bounces round the inside of the tank.
The bit on the 7 forms of contact was rlly cool
Thank you for your very concise, clear, thought-provoking explanations of tactics and logistics. My very favorite was the lifting eyes on the M4, something no one has pointed out.
I love the way you explain things, the words you pick to tell your stories is just brilliant!
@3:30 As stated in an "Up Front" cartoon by Bill Mauldin circa... ...sometime during WW II, while Willie and Joe were discussing a nearby tank: . "I'd rather dig. A moving foxhole attracts th' eye."
One air Force manual went so far as to say it is a bad idea to eject over an enemy you just bombed
That is actually sound advice
During my time in the 10th Cav, 64th Armored, etc. I came to hate, loathe, and despise the then front line Cobras and first gen Apaches....Especially after dark....We rarely concerned ourselves with heavy armor or any infantry units.....We could ruin their day with ease....Those sneakin', devious, outside the range of our .50cals, Cobras and Apaches, not so much....But times have changed and I'm aware of it. Thanks for a great video!
Why does this remind me of standing in the loaders hatch of the M-60A3 with our worthless M-3 "grease gun" SMG's for air watch. I'd have much rather had even an M-240 or even better a 2nd M-2.
Lol, did you have .45 Auto tracer rounds? :-D
Would you say the M3 was completely useless or just useless for aircraft defence (which just about any small arm is useless for these days)
Well if a prop plane flying like 50 feet above you then you can probably shoot it down if you’re lucky to hit it fuel tanks or more lucklier of hitting it traction bars , but nowsaday shooting at a jet with a small caliber rounds is like trying pinch a guy who smear butter all over himself
@@ABC21129 The US Army found in Vietnam and the IDF has found in several wars that a company or battalion shooting their rifles at you can have interesting effects.
Like the videos. Great presentations. Really enjoyed your lecture on the M4 plus all your "in the hatch" videos. Thanks alot.
The way he says the pilot is thinking about not crashing is awsome
A great way to start the long holiday weekend. A video by one of my favorite youtubers. Time to open a cold one. Slainte!
"...because he is now thinking very hard about the impending air-earth interface, and its nearly infinite coeficient of friction" That was golden, man.
I love how you explain these things I keep letting out chuckles.
Great video, as always a great pleasure to watch and learn from you!
Great video. And while I know it probably was not intended as such, it is coincidentally a very good brief explanation for why combined-arms warfare is so effective.
This was interesting, I'm a tank driver from the 70s. Brought back a lot of memories. Thanks
Great Video! Thanks again, Doc!
Thanks for the informative video! I had never thought about the tanker's perspective quite like that before.
"Significant emotional event" oh truly, amazing way of words. Really interesting video!
Great video!! I really appreciate your sense of humor!!!
I f***ing love the way Chieftain does his videos, I learned interesting things AND died of laughter
"Pending air earth interface" brilliant
My day has been made, always good to see a new video of yours
wonderful video thank you for giving us this insight, was very interesting
In what world are we in when 'our' tank is attacked by an aircraft? Luckily, one where we can kick-back and click on a youtube video where some breezy guy can remind us of the trade-offs and options while reminding us about our purpose in life. Love it.
Excellent content here sir.
This is very helpful for WarThunder. Thank you for that :)
only thing is...unlike in war thunder pilots don't crash into you in real wars( just ignore the Japanese pilots for this, and they tendet to hit bigger things)
To be fair, that usually only happens in AB... most RB and almost all SB pilots tend to avoid that because of the "cost" of doing so.
Nahhh , just take out 906 with its HEATFS . Shot down a Fawkerwulf with Chieftan 10 steel sabot from 5k feet before
World of Tankers don't have to worry about getting hit by planes cause WG can't mix planes and tanks for some reason.
Its always fun watching planes get killed when they fly near US tanks, because even at low tiers everyone and their mother has .50 cals, and those can really hurt.
"Don't worry, I know some maneuvers" *lists gently at 45 degree angle towards aircraft
Video is a little quiet, consider raising recording volume in the future. Great video by the way, hope you do more of these.
Aye this, needs some boost, had to have the youtube video and my OS audio boosted full and still had issues hearing it propperly.
No problems on this end... though watching on my android samsung phone.
Love your lectures!
Moran, you truly have an Irishman’s way with words. Keep up the good work. Scouts out!
I do love some of your turn of phrases
Listening Cheiftan brings smile on my face.
More videos like this would be greatly appreciated. Your military experience is very welcome in the KZhead military history education community.
that was amazing. just jumped over after finding a (what, month old?) chat between you and MHV and find this bucket of info and laughs.
Significant emotional Event..! Love this term..! Makes me Chuckle every time the Chieftain uses it..! Thanks for your efforts and Information, Sir..!! Kim in Oz.😎
I love it when I can actually learn something new from a video
My take on being in the position of tank commander firing a 50 at a attacking aircraft would be a feeling of great pity for the crewman below me in said tank......all the loose material flowing from my pants legs would stink for a very long time.
A lot to think about, and very interesting!
First watching Chieftain watching paint dry and then learning about how to hide and defend my tank from air threats. What a great birthday morning! Perhaps next I'll rewatch the Operation Think Tank videos again to top it off. (And no I'm not being sarcastic, Nick can make any topic entertaining with his way of explaining things :)
"... the pilot is now going through a significant emotional event, because he's now thinking very hard about the pending earth-air interface and its nearly infinite coefficient of friction that he's about to demonstrate in a very violent physics test..." 😂 this is way I love this channel lol and also " oh my god, the tank is on fire "
I love these 'Forgotten Tanks' videos.
"significant emotional event" "impending earth-air interface" Some of these insanely understated expressions make me laugh so hard!
Kind of humorous to watch this with auto captions on. I can't imagine trying to rely on those things to understand a video! "There is Mumata ammunition like the impact ram", etc.
The pending earth-air interface and its nearly infinite coefficient to friction. That is gold right there. lmao.
What’s up dude nice video
Hey chieftain like your videos and i have a question about ww2 tanks. I read an article that said German tank ammunition had a problem with the fuse so on impact with some tanks it would bounce before detonation. Because of this when allied tankers put tracks or other add on (but not spaced) Armour on their tanks it would somewhat counteract the fuse delay improving the reliability. Is this true or do you know where this (if it is) myth began. Thanks - MaybeSaturday
Interesting video
This is rather comic. I love your videos
Tanker: we can deter him with the MG! Pilot, 20km away locked on with an atgm: I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move
Thanks! Imma go and test this tactic now
indeed. one of our family friends otto was in a panther tank and saw a pair of mustangs flying low level, intent on blowing some germans. he legged it out of the tank and as did everyone else except the commander who refused. the tank was knocked out and ablaze. i cant remember much detail as i was only a kid when he was telling his stories. his stories were always interesting to see a perspective from the other side.
While serving in an H-Series CAV Platoon, I had a discussion with a "Cocky, 2LT Cobra Pilot..." His comment was "Big Sky, Little Bullet!" That BS ceased during Live Fire when .50 Cal Tracer Bullets started ricocheting all over "hell's half acre!"
Chieftain video!!! Woohoo!! First click like, than watch the video 🤪
Thanks this really help with a fictional piece I'm writing.
Have you ever heard of FLIR or guided munitions??? I was in a anti aircraft artillery battalion in the nineties and our cheeta's/gepards had an average life expectancy of 58 seconds after switching on their radars in a combat enviroment
FMJ IRISH yep, also radar is like shining a flashlight in the night sky, you're gonna atract attention
well, true...but some systems like the rapier can engage targets on sight without radar, or rather search radar. Our Blind fire Radar has a so narrow beam it can avoid a general detection. In radar silence( granted you need a window of time to install the system and aligning it properly, in which you will send EM sigs out) we use one man on the optical tracker who will point it in the general direction of a target, the soldier on the OT will acquire it, and the Operator can switch to Blindfire Radar and shoot.
john sangers I was thinking, would setting up cheap, unmanned radar wave emitters nearby be successful in decoying radar tracking missiles? Or do they already use these and I just don't know about it.
The Last Knight well...each radar System has its own fingerprint. You can identfy difrent radar EM systems...So a decoy which dosent send out the Same EM sig would fail
A well-trained wild weasel will force the radar off with an ARM, then proceed to locate and more affirmatively deal with it via other munitions. Usually either munitions dispensers (CBUs) or very large bombs. Furthermore, said wild weasels are more likely to target the high-threat systems like Patriot or S-300, due to the aforementioned unique signature. Then there's temporary suppression via jammer assets like the Growler and Su-24MP that will accompany a strike package. Hell, for the less mobile systems, you can effectively suppress the SAM site by just hitting the main search radar with an ARM, and since those things are ludicrously expensive a replacement will probably take a bit of time to get there. And of course wild weasels now have towed decoys which make SAM's job way harder, and soon they could be hit by stealth aircraft like the F-35, which while not completely "invisible" they _really_ shorten the engagement window. Then, if its a relatively stationary SAM site and you already have an exact position, a saturation attack with standoff weapons would also be quite effective. Air defense artillery has all sorts of ways they can be suppressed by aircraft, especially if it is a high-capability and thus high-priority system
Hey Chieftain, What's your point of view on this topic in a more modern battlefield ? All thoses optical, laser and tv guided missiles or even guided bombed ?
"#earth-air interface" Now it's a hashtag, it's pretty terrifying.
Dope thumbnail my friend
Question: So I recently saw the video the you and 'military history visualized' did talking largely about the sherman tank in WWII. Around the end of the video, you talked about how while in Iraq you had a book of scenarios that briefed you on possible engagements you could face and how to react to them. It got me thinking, and my question to you is what would the role of tanks be in a large scale conventional war, facing a nation or some opposing force that is the equal to or slightly lesser/better than the tank and overall armored forces of the US in terms of equipment, logistics and training? Also, how would the US intend to replace destroyed Abrams tanks? It seems like it has gotten to the point where modern tanks are meant to be top tier in terms of everything other than quantity, in WWII a company of shermans could be sent into battle and 1/3 of those tanks could come back and it would be a minor inconvenience for those needing replacements. Now it takes I think half a year to refurbish old abrams tanks, not just making them from scratch. Would it be "alrighty, our soldiers need to survive with what they have got for X amount of months and than we can start replacing knocked out tanks steadily" or could it mean the potential end of the use of modern tanks as we know them? If you could also recommend any literature or other sources I could learn more about this theoretical, it would be appreciated
Now that we are in the future, we sort of have our answers to these questions. Indeed, the US military has moved more towards a long range infantry focus along with Air superiority, since it is so easy to just have troops launch numerous barrages of anti-tank missiles that Chinese and Russian tanks simply wont be able to resist, even with reactive armor, or actively shoot down with automated, active systems
I learned something new!
also here's a fun thing speaking about air burst ammo, you know the CV90-40 yeah that thing got a big 40 mil that fires programmable shells. i.e on the fly they can make a salvo go full *WALL OF HOT TUNGSTEN* and make a choppers day really really bad. however, you need to see it before it see's you though.
This is super interesting.
Chief what do you think of the pike nose armour design used by the soviets used on the is 3 and t-10 do you think it's practical for armour,production and so on ? And would it be practical for modern tanks today ?
Pike nose was not very needed , sure it was good for back then because nobody had any idea wtf was steel sabot or smoothbore was so they were just like ,hmm if we put enough plate and angled it at certain point and do it for other side so the two will meet up and from a nose , but bad side is that the driver is not very happy as same for tank which is more compact in now , nowadays tank you don’t really care about the outside standard armors , you only should care about the inner protection and pray to God that it will stop kinetic rounds
Ūnited Statesss _OF_AMERICA thx man
Interesting video! I know you were a tanker. If I recall from a previous video are you still in active service? I think I remember you saying you were an officer.
This is Mr Nesbitt of Harlow New Town. Mr Nesbit would you stand up please. (pause.... nothing happens) .... Mr Nesbitt has learnt the value of not being seen. However he has chosen a very obvious piece of cover. T-62 explodes.
I love watching cheftian's video to have a lesson
I think you've already established that the ultimate paradigm is: "oh s**t. The helo is on fire!" Few rotary winged machines pass that one.
Hi, I have got some questions: didn't Rudel and other fighters destroy a lot of tanks, also in 1944 the German tanks were quite ineffective because of allied air superiority- so tanks in ww2 were in great danger by air attacks? Nowadays with air to surface guided missils and air superiority like in the Iraqui War don't you consider tanks more like death traps?
Is your dry delivery typical in military instruction at a tank school? I think it would go down well in that environment.
"Interesting experience." Mind-blowing, you might say.
In terms of the forms of contact that a unit can handle at the same time, does it make much difference which of the forms of contact are happening?
I remember an Army training film showing how well the m60 mg turret worked. It could follow a jet. .. I never could understand why the British tankers couldn't see the benefit of the 50cal.. at least on ground targets..were they not trained to resist air attack? Us Grunts were taught to shoot small arms at aircraft if in range .. because the army lost aircraft to small arms fire..so they knew it worked sometimes.
In DCS I made the mistake of trying to attack a T-80 with a Huey. None of my shots penetrated and then it proceeded shred me with a DSHK and then finished me off with an anti-tank missile. ;)
The atgm use is cruel :P
Significant emotional Event well said
Helicopter pilot : I will fire an ATGM at soviet tank. Helicopter gets destroyed Soviet tanker : komrade our ATGM is faster than yours.
This is why you need the Sd Kfz 222 in all war games it doubles up as an anti aircraft platform when its not bullying tanks flanks and infantry.
EndlesNights Bah, Tunguskas are so much worse
Was it ever SOP to fire the smoke dischargers or engage with a beehive round? Geoff Who just inspected tanks at Ft. Knox back in the 1980s.
Thanks
Now this was interesting. My feeling is that you would have been a good TC. How about doing a autobiography on your service, tell us a bit about yourself, if you haven’t already.🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
*Airplane: **_Rapid Unplanned Catastrophic Disassembly_* 😊